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LazystampislazyOTLI'm sure those of you who have dived into the muck of debate and flaming have seen it.
I'd love to add stamps in here as examples, but the anti-religion stamps far outweighed the anti-atheism stamps (from what I could find), and I gave up x'D
As a Christian myself (I'd like to think I'd be considered a "sane" one, lmao), I've been called a lot of nasty things and gotten more than my fair share of vulgar comments. But goodness, I've seen atheists (or anyone not entirely religious for that matter) get ripped apart just as bad, if not worse.
Recently, however, I've noticed that people are starting a ridiculous crying out that "[Athiests / Religious folk] are the haters!!", "There's only hate on the [Atheist / Religion] side!!", etc.
. . . wut?
tl;dr: There's hate on both sides, people. It's not just one side's fault.
Anyway, !DoItForTheLulz says it best in regards to the extremism on both sides.
I wish Christians would come up with a new nameSeriously, I wish you good Christians--the ones of value and true faith--would devise a way to call yourselves something different so that we can identify you from the morons. I mean, really. Most of you people are like anyone else, but you have morons who spout stupid shit that just makes your religion look like a brain washing factory of retardation.
I wish branding was still legal. Then we could just mark fucktards on the forehead with giant "F"s.
For "fucktard".
Edit: Now that I have your attention,
This applies to everyone. It just so happens that "Christian" is a really good topic word for people to look.
I aim this mostly at Chris
EDIT: I'd really appreciate it if people didn't attempt "turning" others away from their beliefs or lack thereof. Everyone has a right to believe in what they want - there's no need for you to start leeching onto people's comments and telling them they're messed up or wrong, etc, etc.
If I keep finding this going on, I'm going to disable comments.
Healthy conversation is encouraged, however
EDIT2: Need examples of what I'm talking about in this stamp? I suggest reading through the comments ;D *ahem*Page 6
EDIT3: Featured~! 
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It's not defending the bible or religion.
If someone thinks you are predisposed towards nastiness and violence, why would you want to prove them right by acting that way? Think of the effectiveness of Martin Luther King and Gandhi protests. The point of most Atheist groups is to prove they're not immoral or nasty people, they don't go around bashing every religious person they see. When I tabled for an Atheist club I got many religious people asking if all we did was bash religion, they already thought poorly of us and what would they have thought if I got defensive and angry about their question, saying that it is their book and their bigoted upbringing which made them this way. It only would have proven their misconceptions towards Atheists was right.
I was instead friendly and cheerful when answering they were mistaken and our club actually does community and social activities and a vast majority of them walked away pleased and hopefully with a better idea that Atheists are just normal people.
So treating any religious person with automatic contempt on the assumption that they think poorly of you is only creating a conflict which likely didn't exist.
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. . . please tell me you're being sarcastic
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Have you ever read the bible? It has orders from their god that homosexuals should be killed, that slavery was a good thing, that non-believers are fools, with no real reason given other than the author's intent to slander disbelief.
Read the bible, i am not being sarcastic in the least. Even if most christians do not follow these laws anymore - then why are they calling themselves christians and supporting the book that encourages the above behaviours?
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Oh, my. In that case, I apologize for the wall of text I'm about to give you!
"Hey, hey, hey ... There's a HUGE difference - Atheists don't have a book that ENCOURAGES and ORDESR them to hate.
Atheists have ONLY ever responded in Self-Defense!
This is extremely inaccurate and helps paint the picture that atheists are unreasonable angry assholes - and that's exactly the image THEY'VE thrown on US after abusing us for not following them.
Atheist hatred is JUSTIFIED, if not the best way to handle things. Religious hatred is DEMANDED OF THE RELIGOUS!"
1) Thank you for proving my stamp.
2) The Bible does not encourage hate. It encourages hate of sin, not the sinner.
3) It is not innaccurate as you've just proved my point ("Atheist hate is JUSTIFIED")("Religious hatred") that both sides have problems.
4) No, religious hatred is not demanded of the religious. That's a choice.
"Have you ever read the bible? It has orders from their god that homosexuals should be killed, that slavery was a good thing, that non-believers are fools, with no real reason given other than the author's intent to slander disbelief.
Read the bible, i am not being sarcastic in the least. Even if most christians do not follow these laws anymore - then why are they calling themselves christians and supporting the book that encourages the above behaviours?"
1) Derp. I'm a Christian. 'Course I've read it
2) Derp. I'm a Christian. Not a Jew. Therefore I am under a grace-based relationship with the Lord, not the OT law-based you are referring to (the word "law" is used in different cases in the Bible - AKA: I'm not dissing the 10 Commandments, but the other "stuff")
3) Slavery is taken out of context, as the slavery of back then was much different than the slavery of now. In fact, in many cases slavery back then was considered a "job" of sorts. But aside from that, it wasn't that slavery was a "good thing". It was that slaves were to obey their masters to be good examples of a person following God, hence witnessing in an indirect sort of way.
4) Nonbelievers = fools is a comparison that those who don't accept truth are fools. Therefore, this is taken as an opinion to outside nonbelievers as well as other believers in certain cases. I guess you could see it as atheists considering Christians as fools for not believing what they consider truth?
5) "Author's" needs to be turned plural in consideration that there are multiple authors.
6) Already explained why Christians aren't under the OT law you referred to.
Hope I've cleared up some things 
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1. Then how can you still believe?
2. I already explained in a later comment why saying this is pure ignorance, and proves you think your perfect god makes mistakes and has to change his system after 2000 years because the old system wasn't working?
3. If you can believe that, then you're more selectively ignorant than you first lead me to believe. So, taking slaves from the nations around you, kill all the men and boys and take the girls and women for slaves or whatever - i am certain those widows and orphans were really in peaceful relationships with the men who murder their families and raped them daily.
ALL THIS proves that you HAVE NOT done #1.
And i am not attacking you - i am attacking your religion and your bible. You can't just say, "I believe in the 10 commandments, but i don't believe in killing homosexuals" and still call yourself a part of the religion that supports the bible - because the bible NEVER retracts this law! Jesus even supports it in several places in the new testament. So long as you call yourself christian, you will ALWAYS be associated with this kind of homophobia, even if you don't participate in it. You are giving power to every KKK member, every Nazi, every person who murders witches and homosexuals. Your support of the bible must imply support of all the bible, or you have to admit that you believe your god can't even create a working story the first time around.
READ YOUR BIBLE! Not just the happy little stories the sunday schools make ready for the children they are trying to trick into thinking he's a good god without any of the Hitler-proportioned cruelty he's truly written to be responsible for.
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1) Because, oh my, I have an opinion!
2) Wut. I think your numbering is off. "Hate the sin, not the sinner" has nothing to do with that.
3) O mai. What history classes have you taken? And have they been centered around a specific area?
"ALL THIS proves that you HAVE NOT done #1."
Nope. You've proved it :'D The whole point of this stamp was to show that there are bigots, extremists, HATRED, on both sides. Because there is. No side is flawless. Every side has it's interesting members. Derp.
Glad to see you're not attacking me :'D
1) Killing homosexuals is not a part of the 10 Commandments. Lulz.
2) "Bible never retracts this law"? You do realize Jews don't use the NT? Of course for them it's not the same :'D
3) Please quote some Scripture verses of the NT that show Jesus supported killing homosexuals.
4) Of course people are going to associate me with homophobia. 'Tis the hilarity of stereotyping.
5) LMFAO. ME? GIVING POWER TO THE KKK, NAZIS, ETC? Dude. You've made my day!
6) Of course I support the Bible. It helps me understand my Lord better and what it means to be a Christian <3 and not a Jew, not that I have anything against them.
I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. PROMISE. I KEEP IT WITH ME EVERYWHERE x'3 Well, except public school. They'd take it if I brought it there
(Thank you for getting more detailed, btw. You were starting to lose me there for a moment 
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Ahaha, I kinda lost patience with him
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I don't blame you, I got tire reading only a minute ago, it was just to much for me.
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Yeaaah
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That was a week!!! wow he really didn't got the message.
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An entire week
He responded only twice a day, so it took a bit to get to the point where it "ended", you could say
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Hey, you are the one supporting the book that encourages every hate crime humanity is capable of, plus the hate crimes only your god could be capable of.
My moral hands are clean. Your support of that book gives support to everyone who takes hatred from that book. You can't call yourself a christian without being associated with christian-specific bigotry.
And ignoring any of the bible is not an excuse for that.
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". . . encourages every hate crime humanity is capable of . . ."
Did you say you read the Bible? O mai x'D
Please. Please quote Bible verses that explicity support hate crimes. Ones that Christians are called to follow, mind you. Also, I do believe you forgot to quote where Jesus supported such things, as I remember asking you to do so earlier.
Your moral hands are clean? None of us are morally clean. We all have faults and have done wrongs. We all have made a wrong decision at some point. Of course, that also depends on what you consider "moral".
"Your support of that book gives you support to everyone who takes hatred from that book."
Uh. Hell, no. I sure as mess don't support Westboro Church. "They're doing it wrong," as many a preacher has quoted to me. My support of the Bible has nothing to do with how other people take it's Word. That's nonsense.
And ignoring any of the Bible? I'm not ignoring the Bible
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And ignoring any of the Bible? I'm not ignoring the Bible
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." Luke 16:17
It all applies to you, or you are using hypocritical thinking.
Your making this book a valid, current resource for morality, GIVES power to everyone who uses it for evil purposes. Why support a book that has both horrible evil acts alongside good ones as being "morally acceptable" in the different places in the bible? Why not scrap it all and follow something without such hateful baggage? YOU ARE BETTER THAN YOUR RELIGION TELLS YOU TO BE!! So why are you still in it?
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Dude. Is English your first language? You have yet to understand, even after as many times as I've repeated it, that I'm not claiming the Bible to be INVALID. I'm saying that certain areas apply to certain people. If you can't get that through that skull of yours, I can't help you anymore //sigh
Why am I still in it? Refer to my former comments. Cuz me saying it a fifteenth time isn't going to make a bit of difference to you.
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Christian not a jew. So therefore you don't believe in the Adam and Eve story because it also happens to be in the Jewish portion of the bible only. Your excuse falls apart. You either support your god in the bible, or you don't.
Don't word play with me, child.
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False. You are taking my words out of context. Did you read the entirety of my comment?
"Therefore I am under a grace-based relationship with the Lord, not the OT law-based you are referring to (the word "law" is used in different cases in the Bible - AKA: I'm not dissing the 10 Commandments, but the other "stuff")"
Adam and Eve have nothing to do with what I was referring to. The only thing I referred to was law.
"Don't word play with me, child."
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If it is the same lord as written about IN the bible, then you cannot separate him, from the OT words. Don't word play with me.
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Please quote where I claimed to separate God from the OT.
Because the only one I see "word play"-ing with anyone is you.
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Oh please, now you're not reading what you're saying:
"2) Derp. I'm a Christian. Not a Jew. Therefore I am under a grace-based relationship with the Lord, not the OT law-based you are referring to (the word "law" is used in different cases in the Bible - AKA: I'm not dissing the 10 Commandments, but the other "stuff")"
Don't word play with me. If you believe in anything from the old testament, you have to believe it all, or you don't believe in the bible or the story the bible is entirely based on. Without the old testament the new testament is completely invalid.
You cannot separate belief in one part of the bible with the other without recognizing that your god makes mistakes, your god has to change his mind about how he runs us because he is NOT all-knowing, nor all powerful, nor all-loving.
You cannot separate the OT from your religion - you can't just call yourself christian without carrying around the baggage of what INVENTED christianity. And your hesus SAYS HIMSELF that he came to FULFILL the laws of moses, NOT to replace them!
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Dude. Dude. Oh my goodness. You've really blown this up.
I never said I DIDN'T believe in the OT, LMAO! All I did was explain to you the difference between a Christian's relationship with God and a Jew's!
Also: OPINION. Derp.
And once again: I never dissed the 10 commandments. There were other laws created, however, that were for a specific people -- the people of Exodus going to the promised land. If you've read the Bible, you ought to have read the verses that explain this.
As a Christian, by the Holy Spirit and through Christ, I am free from the law created for the Jews. I am now under Grace (by the Holy Spirit and through Christ).
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You do know the 10 commandments you are talking about were never the intended 10, and the real 10 include such important lessons as not boiling a goat in its mother's milk. Nothing against rape, nothing against slavery, nothing against racism or homophobia - just a bunch of rules that don't make sense alongside 2 or 3 that make sense, and have been a part of humanity before there even were christians or even jews.
The 10 commandments is a laughable, obsolete system of law that makes no sense today. And if you adhere to the 10 commandments IN THE OT, you have to follow the rest of the laws in the OT. Picking and choosing means you DON'T believe in god's words in some places, you are admitting your god makes mistakes, and was wrong in the parts you personally choose not to like.
It makes you a hypocrite, pure and simple - but that's what following that book intends to do to everyone who believes in it. Thankfully some people are smart enough to read it without a predetermined belief, and see the words for what they actually say, and not for what you WANT for them to say.
You can't claim to be part of a religion with rigid rules, and then not follow the rules and still claim membership.
If over 40,000 denominations have gotten their interpretation of the bible, wrong, how is yours the only right one?
Just a few seconds of thought crumbles the entire argument for religion. Just a few seconds of honest thought, and research will do this.
And it makes absolutely no sense to worship a god who sent a part of himself down to sacrifice himself TO himself, just so he can figure out how to forgive you from the sin of Eve and the apple (yes, you have to believe in that story, too, from the OLD TESTAMENT, or else the point of Jesus is altogether lost - how he was supposed to help in this situation when god has the power to just forgive without having to sacrifice himself to himself - or is he that slow?)
Either believe in the old testament with the new testament, or admit you disagree with your god.
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The real 10 include . . . what?
Once again, I'm wondering just how much you've read in the Bible
Here, I'll quote a few of them that could apply to non-religious folk, and you can tell me whether they're silly or not:
And since there are apparently you're proclaimed "real 10", if you could be so kind as to point them out in the Bible.
Also, these make no sense in the Law today? I beg to differ!
"Picking and choosing means you DON'T believe in god's words in some places, you are admitting your god makes mistakes, and was wrong in the parts you personally choose not to like."
Do you know the meaning of "I'm not?" Because I swear, I've repeated myself a bagillion times x'D
Mistakes? Whhaaaa~t?
Splendid! Cuz, you know, I totally didn't know that! Did you know that everyone's a hypocrite in some way?
"You can't claim to be part of a religion with rigid rules, and then not follow the rules and still claim membership."
Huh. That's a funny thing to say. Since, ya know, we make mistakes. And God understands that. And He forgives us. Hmmmmm~ So if I broke my parents rules, would that mean I'm no longer a part of my family? Funkeh~
". . . how is yours the only right one?"
I could shoot that question right back at ya
"Just a few seconds of thought crumbles the entire argument for religion."
If that were true, we wouldn't have religion today!
DERP. 'Course I believe in it
I think you need to study up on Jesus and His purpose a tad more. Have you ever visited a Bible study? I've met many atheists who don't believe and yet find it quite interesting.
Please quote where I explicitly said I didn't believe in the OT :U
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This answers all further questions you may have and addresses all your points. If you still don't see through the con-game, then there's nothing i can do to remove that gullibility from you: [link]
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I find it funny that you've called me gullible, ignorant, unintelligent, and many other things, yet I have yet to call you anything.
I've watched this video (believe it or not). Having studied the topics they've spoken of, I interpret their message as pulling the meaning out of context. Therefore, my beliefs have not changed
I have experienced God's love. I have seen the proof for myself. My experiences and what I've learned are enough for me to believe in a higher power -- to accept Christianity.
It is the opposite for you. 
You've come to the decision that there is no God, no higher being, etc, through your own experiences and understanding.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that I happen to see things in a different way? Why must I be gullible, etc, etc, because I have a differing opinion? To me, I see my truth. For you, you see your truth.
The end.
And what d'ya know. We can agree on something (depending on if this discussion is over or not). And that's that we agree to disagree
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"I interpret their message as pulling the meaning out of context." Gullible.
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I wonder if you know what you're doing in this argument. As I have read the entire thing, I can all but see that you are obviously not reading the rebuttal proposed to you by ChikitaWolf, though it would appear that the knowledge provided by her is far more extensive on the Christian faith than yours. I believe it would be beneficial for you to listen to her and understand just what is going on. Though, from what I have witnessed, all you have done is repeated things already gone over and resorted to petty name calling.
So let me run over it all for you if you have lost the ability to read over everything you've said.
Nothing you've said as really made sense, and the more you speak the more it becomes apparent that you just happen to be the one who has not read the bible. And if you have, you have yet to grasp the meaning. Thus, in your quest to forever prove how your opinion is the higher one, you have forgotten to make sense and resorted to name calling to prove you point.
Furthermore, that goes on to give a certain feeble-minded aura to your argument, disproving it even more. One of life's small destructive behaviors if you will.
And to wrap up the summary, I am not Christian, nor do I claim to be. Yet I have an understand of the bible and know that you do not have one. Before going into an argument with someone, it is better to brush up on the facts of said topic of arguing. And based on that, your point is half opinion to begin with. And there is funny thing about opinions. They cannot be wrong either way. Whilst you may believe it's wrong, speaking in technicality's sake, it is not wrong. Thus, your argument has no point if you are to argue opinions. Thus, the best option is to dissipate from this and go about your marry way, rather then creating an unseemly odor of odium.
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I don't know how one can "have an understanding of the bible" different from a normal, moral human without being fully disgusted by it.
An all-knowing god would never encourage slavery. Period. End of story. Because this god is claimed to be all-knowing, and throughout the bible it supports slavery, something we all know is wrong, and so god should have known.
It's these little things that just make it obvious that it is NOT true. Not to mention most of the stories in the bible have been proven to be historically inaccurate at best, and historically dishonest for the most part.
And when the religion is based entirely on the stories within that book, anyone who takes it seriously is admitting to chosen ignorance.
There's nothing more to say on the issue. You (as the general "you") are either all for it, like the book says you must be, or you are against its teachings, and therefore not a part of its religion. But people in the religion don't get that, and are snowed by all the really horrible arguments that every theist has ever presented, including this chikita person.
My point is christianity encourages discrimination, whether the believers like it or not, they CANNOT be separated from that until they completely abandon the bible as a sourcebook.
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While that sounds like an legitimate reason, it's not. If you have yet to realize, the bible took place back in the times of BC. This was before the time we live in now, before any of the laws and morals we have in place today. Back then, slavery wasn't seen as a bad thing, for it wasn't slavery. It was more of a job, as you have been told already. The bible did not preach "go out and have slaves." While it did say something more along the lines of "slaves should respect their masters." While still called slaves, it was a different meaning back then than it is today.
Actually, to your shock and dismay, some of the things to have happened in the bible have been proven to be true because of the location of their placing and the attributes of that area. Most of the bible happens to come down to your own personal beliefs and opinions, whether you choose to believe is your problem.
And chosen ignorance? Really? Is that all you can see here? In your own arrogance and ignorance, you have forgotten that none of what you have said really matters. Because, in your quest to come here and explain your own opinions, all you've done is contradict everything that's been said because you don't wish to see that you might possibly be in the wrong here. You're explaining opinions, and we are explaining opinions. Quite the losing battle since neither can be backed up with facts. Choosing to believe in something doesn't make someone ignorant. It makes them believe in something. Having faith in the bible doesn't make a Christian ignorant, it means they have faith to believe in something they can't see.
Compare it to children and Santa Clause. They believe in something they can't see because it helps them behave and get rewards for it. It's not ignorant. It's a belief.
See, that is where you are wrong. Have you ever heard of "nondenominational"? This means that a catholic person believes in God and Jesus, but without all the rules and things that come with any of the denominations in the Catholic faith. Even in this, one is still apart of the Catholic Community. And "this Chikita person" hasn't proved your point, rather, has gone about showing that there are reasonable people out there who can have extreme patience with someone who doesn't know how to shut their trap.
For once, the Bible and Christianity do not support discrimination. Rather, it teaches things that are against the law of God. And going back to your original point about homosexuality. It's taught against because it's unnatural. Therefore, against the Law of God. But you'll find a lot of Christians who don't hate on homosexuals. And going on that, and the nondenominational thing i mentioned, they can abandon it if they choose to. Again, it's a belief, an opinion. If one chooses not to believe, then so be it.
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Because an opinion is TOTALLY gullible~!
And I'll just... kinda stick this here...
"Why is it so hard for you to accept that I happen to see things in a different way? Why must I be gullible, etc, etc, because I have a differing opinion? To me, I see my truth. For you, you see your truth."
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When you see things a different way, i have no problem. When you blatantly lie to yourself just so you can convince yourself that something is good, then i have a problem.
Anyone who can say "out of context" has already admitted the bible is full of hate and they have no idea how to reconcile it without distracting and changing the subject.
Why not address why an all-knowing god would ever encourage slavery if he wasn't written by a human whose best interests involved keeping slaves around? God wouldn't work around man's orders, he would have said slavery is wrong in the 10 commandments, if they were so important and killed them all in an evil cruel way (like drowning) just to reset their minds, since that was going on a lot more rampantly than any of the evil "sex" stuff. And again, if you can buy the story that slavery was different back then - then calling you gullible is NOT an insult, but an honest observation of your character. Among the cruelty in the bible, often ordered by god himself, how can you think slaves are suddenly treated like family?
Slaves are there AGAINST THEIR WILL, there is no other definition of slaves. And when the orders of a god include that "You may beat your slave half to death, and if he rises in 2 days, he's fine. Just don't kill the help" - how does that equal a peaceful relationship? How does that discourage the abuse inherent in slavery?
Again. Gullible is the ONLY way i can describe you if you hold to the idea that slavery was any less horrible thousands of years before human rights even "existed".
It ALL crumbles by putting a SECOND of thought into EVERY aspect of the bible's religions!
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But you see, I'm not lying to myself. Because what I deem true is true through what I've experienced -- Oh why do I even repeat myself? //sigh
And reading the rest of your comment, I'll just be repeating myself again. Do you even read my comments? Hell, did you even read Luxray's post? He had more than enough common sense and knowledge in there. Perhaps you treated it like my own responses though? Ignoring what I put and throwing more accusations?
"Again. Gullible is the ONLY way i can describe you if you hold to the idea that slavery was any less horrible thousands of years before human rights even "existed"."
What did you score in history? Wait, I already asked you that, didn't I?
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You admit to willful ignorance. You ignore it because you choose to, and say "it's not part of my rule book" even though it's the same book.
You refuse undeniable evidence and replace it with uneducated speculation.
I can't argue about reality with someone who refuses to acknowledge what real evidence is.
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"You admit to willful ignorance.
You ignore it because you choose to, and say "it's not part of my rule book" even thought it's the same book."
And you fail to quote me claiming such things. And when you do, you twist my words out of context and blow them waaaay out of proportion (as has been pointed out by more than just me). Congratulations~! I will no longer repeat myself on this subject |D
"You refuse undeniable evidence and replace it with uneducated speculation."
You're one to talk
"I can't argue without reality with someone who refuses to acknowledge what real evidence is."
LOL. You have yet to provide evidence of your own. You haven't quoted any Bible verses that state your claims of racism, etc. Hell, you STILL haven't even provided where Jesus supports racism, etc, as you stated at some point -- and I've asked you to provide evidence of this thrice now!
I've responded to all of your points. Luxray's responded to all of your points and more. Yet you still refrain from responding directly, but instead resort to petty name-calling, insulting, and chucking accusations that have already been answered.
You're not very good at this, are you?
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I have utmost respect for you right now
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Sorry for the comment stalking and everything, but after I saw your recent stamp, I had to look at some of the comments you had said had encouraged it
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Oh, no, no, it's fine! |D //commentstalkermyselfLOL
Haha, well, it kinda comes with making religion-topic stamps
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Aha I've noticed that a bit too! 
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Haha, I've always contemplated disabling comments, but my curiousity to hear other people's view points always wins over
I seriously thought he was at first -- hence my first response to him -- but apparently not 
I'm just happy ~LuxrayShinx jumped in, haha
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That's a reasonable argument eh?
Haha! I loved your first response to him! Such good humor! Too bad the whole thing boiled down to the mess it did :C It is kinda sad to see such hatred ._. It's more sad to see it directed at such a patient innocent like you!
Luxray sure did an impressive job responding with such hardcore evidence! I was trying to read some of that too but my patience isn't one of my strongsuits so I didn't make it to the halfpoint
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Yeah D: I would've much rather preferred joking around or play trolling . . . that's a lot more fun OTL. Pfff, patient innocent?
I know!
Agreed
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You're not helping. Hatred is never "justified", fool.
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Hatred is a feeling we have inside us, and we can't control whether we feel it or not. Like i said, hatred in itself is justified when dealing with being abused by a people who have no reason at all to abuse us besides being TAUGHT TO. It's a component of our drive for self-defense, and without a little bud of hate we would just let them walk all over us the way their bible tells them to.
But ACTING ON IT in harmful ways is what's never justified. Don't blame human emotions for our downfall, it's the decision to act on those human emotions that make the difference.
I have every justified right to hate that holy book of hate crimes.
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What do you mean "we can't control whether we feel it or not"? Of course you can. It's called tolerance. You put your disagreements aside and learn to get along with people despite the differences. Even if your initial reaction is "hate", you can lessen negative feelings by learning about the good in others even if you disagree with them. There are many people I don't agree with, but I don't let that create animosity between us. My brother in law is an atheist, but he is a good and respectable man. We have our differences, but we don't let that destroy a good friendship.
You talk about not being able to control hating or not, and you talk about us being hateful, yet here you are feeding your own hatred and reinforcing those feelings in yourself. Pharmmajor is right. You're not helping. If you want other to not be hateful, start by being an example. Don't perpetuate.
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Christians seem to personally hate atheists, but it doesn't usually go the other way. More often, atheists hate the silly and destructive tenets of Christianity, but not the believers themselves.
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I've seen it to extremes on both sides
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I agree
Its just stupid, especially how us Christians are supposed to be kind and loving towards others, our religion isn't based upon hate. Yet everyday in this world we have "Christians" going out and flaming and hating on other religions and views. And of course its not like people with different views dont do the same like you said. Everyone is equally at fault.
One thing that I dislike a lot is when Christians go around like "ALL OF YOU ARE SINNERS YOU CHOSE NOT TO FOLLOW JESUS AND KNOW GOD THEN YOUR GOING TO HELL YADADADADBLAHBLAHBLAHRAGE"
and atheist are like "ALL RELIGIONS ARE STUPID THERES NO GOD IMMA GO VIOLATE AND VANDALIZE THE CHURCH TO SHOW YOU YADADADABLRAGRAGE" LOL lol im serious about this on my local news back at christmas time some atheist stole the baby jesus out of the nativity scene outside of a church then put out signs saying that theres no god and crap. They even were protesting saying that putting that stuff out was violating their freedom of belief? Really? how is that even?
Its just plain stupid HAHA it just makes me laugh really.
and its the same with other beliefs again.
There is proof if this world that people who believe in different things CAN get along, but why they dont choose to I dont think anyone will ever know.
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