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LazystampislazyOTLI'm sure those of you who have dived into the muck of debate and flaming have seen it.
I'd love to add stamps in here as examples, but the anti-religion stamps far outweighed the anti-atheism stamps (from what I could find), and I gave up x'D
As a Christian myself (I'd like to think I'd be considered a "sane" one, lmao), I've been called a lot of nasty things and gotten more than my fair share of vulgar comments. But goodness, I've seen atheists (or anyone not entirely religious for that matter) get ripped apart just as bad, if not worse.
Recently, however, I've noticed that people are starting a ridiculous crying out that "[Athiests / Religious folk] are the haters!!", "There's only hate on the [Atheist / Religion] side!!", etc.
. . . wut?
tl;dr: There's hate on both sides, people. It's not just one side's fault.
Anyway, !DoItForTheLulz says it best in regards to the extremism on both sides.
I wish Christians would come up with a new nameSeriously, I wish you good Christians--the ones of value and true faith--would devise a way to call yourselves something different so that we can identify you from the morons. I mean, really. Most of you people are like anyone else, but you have morons who spout stupid shit that just makes your religion look like a brain washing factory of retardation.
I wish branding was still legal. Then we could just mark fucktards on the forehead with giant "F"s.
For "fucktard".
Edit: Now that I have your attention,
This applies to everyone. It just so happens that "Christian" is a really good topic word for people to look.
I aim this mostly at Chris
EDIT: I'd really appreciate it if people didn't attempt "turning" others away from their beliefs or lack thereof. Everyone has a right to believe in what they want - there's no need for you to start leeching onto people's comments and telling them they're messed up or wrong, etc, etc.
If I keep finding this going on, I'm going to disable comments.
Healthy conversation is encouraged, however
EDIT2: Need examples of what I'm talking about in this stamp? I suggest reading through the comments ;D *ahem*Page 6
EDIT3: Featured~! 
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Exactly~!
Wait, seriously? That's insane!
I think it's funny how you've got Christians who don't educate themselves enough on the scientific side of things, and then athiests and others who don't actually educate themselves on the religious side. Like the ones that say the religious books are all about hate. They're not about hate-- it's about hating sin, not sinners!
It's sad when we lack understanding of both sides. I think the lack of understanding is a big part of the friction between both sides
And it's doubly sad when one side can't admit they have faults too. D'aw well
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Thing is christians have a handbook that tells them how to commit all the hate crimes. Atheist hatred of that aspect is completely justified, since we are always in self-defence mode against the religious.
While hateful words and actions are not the best way to handle the religious, the hate some atheists can have towards christianity is based on real-world actions done to us BY religious people. Whereas religious people hate us simple because their bible slanders us every chance it gets - they are ORDERED to hate us by their god.
This is a disgusting stamp, as it minimizes the real issue: People hurting each other over imaginary things, and people defending themselves against those who hurt people for imaginary reasons. This is only going to help spread more ignorance of what it means to be an atheist - and its disgusting.
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Because the angry anti-religious liberals that came to my Church's chapel a couple days ago and started screaming at my mom we're DEFINITELY defending themselves, even though neither my mom or me has bothered them in the first place.
You know what I find disgusting? When people feel that it's okay to fight fire with fire - violence with violence, banter with banter. When people think it's okay to punish the next generation for the last's misdeeds. When people assume ignorantly and choose not to learn. When people divide among themselves, when all they really have IS themselves.
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I do agree with this. I do think its best that religion should stay outside of public schools and the law cause not everyone is religious and having people follow religious laws would be unfair to their own belief system.
I do think there should be a relgion class that teaches kids about ALL kinds of religions and how they differ from each other along along side evolution. If we all learn more about each other the ignorance will slowy fade.
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This. So much. ;w; That would be really nice. Then people would be more knowledgeable about both sides.
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Unfortunately, so long as the extremists are having at each other, no solution is possible. It is the more numerous moderates who have to bludgeon the extremists of their own side into submission before you can really meet and deal with the issue. Until they stand up and do something, they are going to be caught in the crossfire and simply be aiding and abetting the more violent extremists. The wackos trying to force Sharia Law, the ones trying to make Christianity the official religion, and the atheists who want to crush religion entirely need to be put on a shorter leash. There is a point where 'trying to just get along' is not a good option if does not treats everyone equally. Does not matter if it violates someone's beliefs, all humans should be entitled to the same rights (and Im not just talking about gays, atheists, & women, the religious have a right to their beliefs as well.)
From an atheist point of view, there is a whole lot of problems that directly arise from religion. Large fancy temples where a more modest one would suffice and send the money to help charity. Sending bibles to disaster areas when the money could have bought more supplies. Not respecting equality of gender, race, creed or sexual orientation. Doing their best to cover up crimes of the members. Its not all of the religions, the problem is singling out the ones doing this is so hard; the problem is that atheists see so much and we are angry (both for things we have experienced and for the behavior we see) and so many just want to lash out at everyone. We see a lot of hatred and anisocial behavior coming from the side of the religion that would not be tolerated if it was not religion.
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Thank you so much for your point of view! It really sheds some light on the other side of things :'3
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Theres a lack of communication and understanding between the groups involved. Debate and talking is necessary, but the amount of emotion that is invested in the issue makes it difficult. Ignorance is the real enemy; and opening lines of communication to other rational people is the easiest way to beat it back.
I appreciate your stamp.
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Why can't religious people and atheists get over their petty differences and unite against the true enemy - vegans.
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Because their bible doesn't let them.
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Pagans and other non-christians would like to have a word with you.
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Pagans, though also have no reason to believe in what they believe, don't have religious doctrines that tell me i should be tortured forever for not believing them. Pagans aren't spouting "Demeter Hates Fags!" and nor do they have a book that tells them that Demeter hates fags, like christians do do for their god.
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Okay, i see.
Thanks for clarifying.
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No problem. Pagans don't worry me because they don't have a doctrine built entirely for the purpose of making sure ideas from other religions, or non-religion stop existing.
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My aunt is a vegan, LMAO!
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But the vegans are holding some of the most vicious plants at bay. Just think if the artichokes rose up in revenge for their fallen brethren that have been placed in salads... Given the lack of a central nervous system, most of our weapons will be useless. While herbivores are excellent, we need the viciousness and cunning found only in packs of trained vegans if we hope to defeat the vegetable uprising.
I shudder to think of what would happen if the grains, fruits, and algae rose up as well.
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So much hate for nothing. It's rediculous and idiotic.
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The hate deprives from the intolerance bread by ignorance, and the others hate the Christians because they attack them due to that hate brought by the Christian teaching of intolerance of others.
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You mean bred, not bread. I don't think people taste like toast. XD I'm a Christian, but I come from a family who is very tolerant/embracing. I'm lesbian and they still love me and they never have shown a hatred towards LGBTs either. We're pretty much live and let live. What's so hard about people being different?! It's not a hard concept. If we were meant to be the same, we would all acat like robots who look the same. I respect all relgious and non-religious as long as they aren't hostile towards me. Do I sound unreasonable? No. Will I cram Christ down your throat? No. I will do my duty to inform(not condemn or shove God in your face) and if you reject, I leave you alone. Seriously, I have friends of many religions and I have friends who aren'y. Do I sound like a horrible far wing Christian? No. I am just a person who shares this world with you and see you as my equal.
I get where you're coming from though. There are extremist on both of our sides who give those who are tolerant a bad name.
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Your support of a book that explicitly says homosexuals should be put to death should disturb you. Be religious, but don't subscribe to the hate-crime filled bible and christianity.
Your support of this book gives power to every "Got Hates Fags" sign holder, every KKK member, every Nazi, every sexist, and racist person, because every one of those things are acting on orders written in that bible supposedly from god itself.
It's the horrible teachings of intolerance that are in the bible itself that we oppose, and the fact that people still follow and teach those things today, because believers like you also claim to believe in the same book.
That's what has us atheists so relieved yet so frustrated with christians who ARE tolerant - you STILL support the bigotry by supporting the book, even if you are not participating in bigotry yourself.
Please, please please, do some research, and read your bible. Find out why it must not ever be taught to children.
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Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I'm all supportive of wronging another human being. For crying out loud, I'm a lesbian. Do you think I would suppost killing myself. The most the Bible says is that it's a sin, not to stone people to death. I am religious, but I don't condon harming a human being without reason.
It doesn't give power to hate. It's humanity's perception/interpritation that makes the Bible sound extremely horrible. It's like reading Frankenstein. Evenyone thinks he was a monster and became because people could see him for who he really was. Humans create the monsters that atheists hate so much. Though I am not denyng that there are extremes in the Bible that I do not condon. I can't stand biggots, idiots, racists, sexist, or anything of that nature. It's not in my character to be naturally hateful unless I'm provoked.
The one thing I can't stand is that you group me with others. Don't do that. I am an individual. I support the great teachings of the Bible -love thy brother, honor thy mother and father- not some of the negatives you've listed. I refuse to do harm or judge someone less I seek wrath or judgement. Nothing is wrong with keeping the religion. It's the fact that man can and does distort it's teachings.
I don't support negatives. It brings nothing but misery to those who are on the giving and recieving end of it. Just because I am a part Christianity doesn't mean I show support towards bigotry! My father is a preacher. Anything I want/need to find out I can read for myself or ask. The Bible can be an excellent book for how to live if people could interpret it's better qualities than it's evil. The Bible reflects history and as you can see through world history, it has biggots, idiots, racists, and all alike. Hell if you want to stop teaching children, deny them history classes as well because that's teaching them negatives too.
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"Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I'm all supportive of wronging another human being. For crying out loud, I'm a lesbian. Do you think I would suppost killing myself."
You are proving my point. If you think this kind of reasoning does not fit anymore, then why are you still supporting the book and religion that teaches from this book? My calling out the religion that would conform you, is calling you out as an individual. I recognize you are an individual, greater than the religion that teaches bigotry in your name.
Yes, humanity has the capability to hate on its own, without outside influence, i am well aware of that. We just don't need a rule book that ACTIVELY ENCOURAGES all the methods of hateful acts ordered by a god that the people who believe in the god are told to obey unquestioningly. Do you not see how supporting a book that says all these things at once is not a good idea?
I know you probably do not participate in these acts, and i have no doubt you are a regular decent human being - this is what i've always been saying: why support the book that encourages such examples of indecent inhumanity that you are telling me you already disagree with?
This is all i am asking! If you agree with me that you don't follow those rules, then why do you encourage the support of a book that contains those rules as moral values?
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Well you are just looking at the negatives of the book. Why are you denying that the good parts of the Bible? You act like all Christianity is is a religion of hate. Lord knows I am all for live and let live. I practically say it every day. I'm not for harming people nor have I said or done harm because of my religion.
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Because the good parts should not come with the bad parts. It's equal to saying Hitler was a great man because he was a vegetarian. Just ignore the negative parts, they shouldn't matter, i should be able to call myself a nazi all i want.
Now, how does it make any more sense to ignore the negatives of a god who says gays should be murdered, and has committed and ordered atrocities WORSE than Hitler ever could, with evidence as stories in the bible, just because he also said turn the other cheek, don't kill and don't steal? Why do we need to still carry around the hateful book and religionm if we don't believe in the hateful book or its religion?
How can you support such cognitive dissonance?
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It's hard to find a tolerant christian, but the most common fighting I see is started by an intolerant christian on some topic like abortion or gay marriage.
Also, I thought is was LGBTA now, or does it still ignore a-sexual's like me?
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It's actually not that hard. The media glamorizes the bigot Christians just like they glamorize all the other idiots in the world, and leave the innocent and nice people with a bad name.
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You don't have to glamourize the bigot christians - it is in their doctrine to be bigoted, or they go to hell.
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That's generalizing and unfair. I know plenty of Christians who don't act like that.
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I am not saying all christians act like that ... but the only difference between the hatred is that christians are TOLD to participate in hatred by the bible itself. If those christians choose not to follow the bible's teachings, then why keep calling themselves christians? They are better than christians!
It is not generalizing to show quotes from the actual bible in places where god is giving orders to his people to take slaves of the nations around them, to dash the heads of infants against rocks, to kill homosexuals. I know many christians today seem to have broken through that bigotry training by most likely knowing and dealing with people they know of those groups the bible specifically demonizes as being regular people like everyone else, no more deserving of hell than the mailman.
But the fact that people are still teaching this book with these "morals" to children, will guarantee more un-earned, unreasonable bigotry coming from the religious side. The bible takes its chance to slander non-believers every chance it gets.
If you do not agree with these teachings, then why are you calling yourself a christian? Why do you still support the book that TEACHES you that slavery is a good thing? Homophobia, racism, sexism, murdering people who do not believe?
If you do not agree with these doctrines, then why do you support the book that holds them?
This is what makes us atheists pull our hair out here.
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First and foremost, I AM an atheist. So quit trying to pry and poke at me about Christianity.
Every Christian is different, and this is how I see it; if they aren't campaigning to run politically with their religion or attacking people over differing beliefs, I figure they can believe whatever they please. Religion isn't always a package deal; you don't have to follow every single aspect of it, like hating homosexuals for example.
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Thank you. This comment made my day :'D
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But every christian that gives the bible credit also gives credit to those who do take the bad parts of it as rules to live by to teach to children. Again if they are not following the teachings in the book, then why are they allying themselves with the name that does include those teachings as long as they believe in that book?
Every good christian gives power to every KKK member by using the same book and the same religion, whether they participate in it or not.
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That's not true; that a generalization. You can be of the same religion as any wacko/racist/or murderer (ex: Lenin for atheists) and not agree with the things they do. That's the same as grouping every Muslim in the world with the Al-queda. No Muslim I've ever met agrees with their goals. Religious people aren't a string of paper people, and it's extremely unfair generalizing them.
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It's your gods rules, i am not stating anything that shouldn't already be clear to you.
You can't call yourself a christian without claiming support in the bible, and you can't support the entire bible without YOU making the decision that YOUR GOD WAS WRONG AT SOME POINT. Do you not get that? And since you cannot admit that, you have to believe in the entire bible, or even the religion doesn't recognize you as a member of it.
And so you can't claim to be a christian without claiming to support a book that encorages homosexuality, whether you personally don't believe in it. And then again, if you DON'T believe in the BIBLE'S TEACHINGS then WHY do you SUPPORT IT?!
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I'M NOT A CHRISTIAN. Please pay attention if you want me to take you seriously.
There's nobody on earth who follows their religion to the very last tiny detail, hun. Nobody.
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I use the term "you" as the general for these comments, but arguing for the side of theism confuses things as it seems 3 people with similar words and icons are desperately trying to make religion make sense.
As to your next sentence:
Exactly, and that's why it's completely unreliable, and utterly false.
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I argue for the other side when they are being unfairly prosecuted. I root for anybody who's being unfairly generalized.
Yes, but they still have every right to practice it peacefully and uninterrupted. You can't take people's faith away from them.
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True, but isn't the media manipulated by the religious men who warp the public with their ideas of what's okay and what isn't?
Also, off topic; HETALIA!!!! <3 Holy Rome, right?
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Not all media. You're thinking of Fox News.
Yep! It's adorable, isn't it?
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lol, burn.
He always reminded me of Germany
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Probably because he is Germany 
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