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Published: 2012-02-29 22:42:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 8484; Favourites: 401; Downloads: 32
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LazystampislazyOTLI'm sure those of you who have dived into the muck of debate and flaming have seen it.
I'd love to add stamps in here as examples, but the anti-religion stamps far outweighed the anti-atheism stamps (from what I could find), and I gave up x'D
As a Christian myself (I'd like to think I'd be considered a "sane" one, lmao), I've been called a lot of nasty things and gotten more than my fair share of vulgar comments. But goodness, I've seen atheists (or anyone not entirely religious for that matter) get ripped apart just as bad, if not worse.
Recently, however, I've noticed that people are starting a ridiculous crying out that "[Athiests / Religious folk] are the haters!!", "There's only hate on the [Atheist / Religion] side!!", etc.
. . . wut?
tl;dr: There's hate on both sides, people. It's not just one side's fault.
Anyway, !DoItForTheLulz says it best in regards to the extremism on both sides.
I wish Christians would come up with a new nameSeriously, I wish you good Christians--the ones of value and true faith--would devise a way to call yourselves something different so that we can identify you from the morons. I mean, really. Most of you people are like anyone else, but you have morons who spout stupid shit that just makes your religion look like a brain washing factory of retardation.
I wish branding was still legal. Then we could just mark fucktards on the forehead with giant "F"s.
For "fucktard".
Edit: Now that I have your attention,
This applies to everyone. It just so happens that "Christian" is a really good topic word for people to look.
I aim this mostly at Chris
EDIT: I'd really appreciate it if people didn't attempt "turning" others away from their beliefs or lack thereof. Everyone has a right to believe in what they want - there's no need for you to start leeching onto people's comments and telling them they're messed up or wrong, etc, etc.
If I keep finding this going on, I'm going to disable comments.
Healthy conversation is encouraged, however
EDIT2: Need examples of what I'm talking about in this stamp? I suggest reading through the comments ;D *ahem*Page 6
EDIT3: Featured~! 
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If there is a God, he'd send all the Christians acting in that way to Hell...(not all Christians, just to be clear and avoid flaming, just the ones acting in a stupid manner and hating)
Seriously...no one can really prove if a God does or doesn't exist. Just believe what you want. Other people don't really need to know it. And other people certainly don't want to start fights over it.
I might be an atheist, but I don't go starting fights with Christians. Believe what you want. It doesn't apply to me.
...that sounded cooler in my head...^^''
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"Seriously...no one can really prove if a God does or doesn't exist."
Yes they can. It's pretty simple, and it was done thousands of years ago...
Just because you aren't familiar with the proof, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I.e. don't be closed minded about the possibility of proof, otherwise you're just as dogmatic as any theist.
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We can't prove that the proof is actually proof. There is evidence proving both ways, if I am not mistaken.
It's all a matter of perspective, I suppose. o3o
I'm probably not making much sense, but I'm not fantastic at this religious stuff.
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We can prove that a proof is proof; just show that all of the steps are valid.
Christians have written "proofs" for their god, but when you examine them you find logical fallacies.
Logic is a bit like math; either it is done correctly, and the conclusion is correct, or somebody made an error (and when you examine it, you can expose the error).
It's pretty cool
It's how we learn about the world around us.
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Hm. Well said, well said.
But you never know. You can fabricate proof. I dunno.
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Nah, not logical proof.
1 + 1 = 3 is clearly wrong, no matter how you slice it. Some clever people can write an equation that makes it look like 0 = 1, or something like that- but if you examine it, you can find that they broke the rules of math (for example, by dividing by zero).
You can't fabricate logical proof...
Though some people will hide fallacies- so you have to look carefully, and know what to look for.
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No kidding x'D
EXACTLY. Because in the end, it's the person's opinion and what they've experienced that leads them to what beliefs they have.
It sounded cool to me 
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Well said, well said indeed.
heh. thanks. ^^''
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I don't have a problem with Christianity; some of my watchers are Christian and very accepting.
The only issue I do have is the fact that there are people that forget there is more than one religion, and there are those trying to convert others because they think it's the only real religion. That's what I have a problem with.
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I think the big part of it all is: Speaking of one's religion when asked about it. Looking to convert people isn't all about grabbing them and cramming their beliefs down their throat. It's more of a "would you like to hear what I have to say" kinda thing 
The converting of one religion to another is an interesting topic over all. It can be as ugly or interesting as atheist -> religion (or religion -> atheist).
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I read a friend's journal where she was really kind to a man and helped him get to where he needed, and he made her feel worthless because she didn't believe in God... That's the kind of situation I hate.
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lol Yep. I'm in an Atheist smack dab in the middle of the bible belt. I know the Atheism vs. Religion mess all too well.
I don't like it when religious people hate on us, obviously, but I also hate it when fellow Atheists hate on religious folk. It's going to cause more problems than it will solve, and it gives us all a bad rap.
People on both sides sometimes just need to stop drinking the haterade.
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I'm a non-denominational Christian going to a Radical Southern Baptist private school. Ooooh, Lordy |D
But really, radical Christians scare me, and I'm Christian!
But yeah. The extremists are really giving both sides a bad name 
More love, people. More love |D
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The argument is so stupid. I am Christian too but I wish that everyone would just leave in peace and no arguments about each others religions and learn respect and tolerance.
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--because tolerance goes both ways \o/
I'm really tired of how people'll be preaching love, respect, and tolerance, only to turn around and bash a certain group's beliefs
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Usually we're bashing intolerant beliefs.
We shouldn't be tolerant of intolerance.
Religion needs to be criticized, because whether the faithful will admit it or not, it does cause many problems in the world, and causes people to behave immorally.
If religion would clean up its act, and actually start encouraging people to behave in an actually moral way (based on reality instead of mythology and dogma), it wouldn't be quite as big of a deal.
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"We shouldn't be tolerant of intolerance."
. . . you lost me there.
Also, which religion are you talking about? Because last I checked, my religion teaches morality. But then, perhaps our definitions of morality differ?
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It's a saying, about how far tolerance goes.
Should we be tolerant of everything?
Including being tolerant of intolerance?
Tolerant of pedophiles doing their pedo-ing?
Murderers doing their murdering?
Would we be intolerant of them if we tried to stop them from doing their thing?
The "morality" religion teaches is outdated, and in most cases based on bronze age social norms rather than what actually constitutes morality.
In order to practice real morality, we have to understand reality.
False and outdated morality interferes with real morality in two primary ways:
1. It makes assumptions which are incorrect, prohibiting actions which are not actually immoral, thus imposing on freedom and harming people.
A good example is homosexuality- many theists believe that their god will punish a society that allows homosexuality- out of fear of phantom evils (things they believe to be evil, but which are not evil) the theists become unjustly intolerant.
That's just one example- which doesn't apply to all sects- but there are dozens of other examples of this kind of 'moral' prohibition which causes intolerance and injustice where the 'moral' involved is a false one which doesn't align with reality.
2. It allows people to assume that it is a complete set of morality, thus disregarding new information that teaches us new moral and immoral action.
Typically 'god said we can do this' and 'god said this is OK' become excuses to behave immorally in the real world.
Slavery is a good example of where this occurred in the past.
Animal cruelty is another (based on the theological concept that animals are all just machines without souls- where if you look at reality instead, you would see that most other animals experience pain and emotions in the same ways we do).
There are dozens of other examples.
A morality that is not based on an accurate and up-to-date view of reality is not morality at all- it is immorality. And practicing a false morality like that harms others.
I hope you can understand what I'm saying here.
Different religions are guilty of this to varying extents (some more so than others). Of those religions that don't tend to cause problems, I'm less likely to criticize.
My criticism is pretty proportional to the harm they cause to others.
If a religion would clean house and do some updates, it wouldn't be such a big problem.
Though in doing so, religion would stop being dogma (which is what defines religion), and just start becoming decent secular morality instead.
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Once again, I reply to one of your responses without looking at your other
I think I'm getting the jist of it. Thank you for explaining :'D
There is a lot of cleaning up that needs to be done, and while it's preached that we ought to work to do just that, it's not often people actually attempt. Hopefully that'll change as people open up to other's thoughts and listen before becoming offended.
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"There is a lot of cleaning up that needs to be done, and while it's preached that we ought to work to do just that, it's not often people actually attempt."
There's a reason for that.
You need to study a bit of the history of religion to understand it- well, a lot of it.
Each religion is very much like a species, and they live in an environment- the human mind.
These creatures (religions) are subject to selective pressures, and just as any biological creature evolves to suit its environment, so do religions.
The ones that did not evolve, died out. Those with certain characteristics succeeded.
Absolutist dogma was one of those characteristics that was very successful- if a religion didn't have it, it would quickly die out.
That is, if its people were open minded, they could move out of that religion and into another. But if the other religion was absolutist and dogmatic, they couldn't move back the other way.
So, open minded and uncertain religions simply died out; or rather, sects of religions prone to open mindedness, or scriptures that encouraged it, died out (remember, in antiquity scripture had to be constantly and actively copied in order to survive).
Those memes of open mindedness disappeared from the religious species.
Dogma is intrinsic to religion; that's the problem we're facing today. It's been so engrained, it is almost impossible to remove.
Unitarians are one of few who are trying, but if you'll look into their ranks, the only way they've succeeded is by diluting or even ignoring religion and just focusing on morality and community instead.
"Hopefully that'll change as people open up to other's thoughts and listen before becoming offended."
It doesn't seem likely.
Like government, which almost always has to end in revolution (a new government taking over), that's how religion has to change too- it has to be replaced (because it refuses to accept those positive characteristics).
Hopefully by revolution of thought rather than a physical one.
Old dogmatic religion has to be replaced by new open minded philosophical morality. This is particularly true given the extreme difference between our current outdated religions and more advanced modern moral philosophy.
We HAVE to leave closed-minded dogma behind, because by its very nature it is resistant to change.
It's the only way there's liable to be real change.
And that is why dogma is immoral (in impeding progress to greater moral unity).
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Well that definately explains a lot.
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain it all to me :'D I do believe I understand much better the other side of things.
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Mhm
I know what you mean.
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I think the puritans said it best. They wanted to escape a land that prosecuted them and turned into the exact people they wanted to get away from. History repeats itself.
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Yeup! Especially when it's extremist vs extremist on both sides... Silly people XD
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Especially when they start walls of text
So. Many. Walls. Of text.
And then the name-calling and/or capslock RAEG begins
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It's funny to watch though XD
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lol i agree with you so much. i was born into Christianity and i got a lot of nasty comments from being of such a religion.
of my own will, i decided to become an atheist (no one influenced me) based on the fact that although i love mythical things and wish for them to be real, im a really logical person.
but either way, im getting trashed wherever i go lol (i actually love seeing people try to trash me in hopes of getting me down, but nothing really gets me down unless i forget to do my homework, then it becomes living hell)
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I think the biggest thing that throws people off is wording. Depending on how you word your opinion/belief/viewpoint, you could give a calm comment or a comment that causes lots of RAEG. There's also a matter of accepting that people are going to view things differently from you and may not find certain things offending.
Being offended, from what I've seen, is the most common trigger for RAEG amongst the religious and not religious.
//lolrambling
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so true bro (i call everybody bro lol)
it seems that when a person feels they've been offended, they also feel the need to protect themself, which isnt too bad, but people tend to handle it with rage which is why it becomes a bad thing.
lol i love talking to pplz
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xD
Exactly! And they don't do a very good job when they go capslock and name calling
\o/
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Great stamp. I'm form the same angle as you. It's frustrating to be a Christian and and watch so much insanity and hate coming from people who are supposed to love. People of all types will hate for no reason. It's sad.
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Thanks!
Indeed. :/
Or the hate for the silliest of reasons. I've seen a mere opinion on babies being cute or not send someone into capslock and RAEG
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You're welcome.
People overreact to everything. I think we've forgotten the beauty of silence.
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Too true, too true. Yeah, I'm Atheist, but I don't beat up on people who aren't just because they don't have the same beliefs as me. :/ The only time I'd get annoyed is if they start pushing their morals and stuff on me, even after I've told them that I'm not religious. That's just annoying.
D-n-h
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It really sucks when the one's who are respectful of other's beliefs get trolled by the extremists
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I know, right? Seriously, some people need to take a chill pill and not CARE as much about what others think. Sheesh.
D-n-h
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Bangry, you don't want to notice the debate
It's scary as mess. :I
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Let me tell ya.
You cant f*** me in a argument when im in,im in too screw them all.
XD
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>: 3
time to seek this debate
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Just type in "anti" with "Christian", "religion", or "atheist"
You'll get plenty .__________.'
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XD
im just kidding i got a life you know
dont need to waste my time on it
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lolol
Now if only the extremists could take that view point
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