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My view on abortion, my friend brought up the subject, and it inspired me to draw this.I got some of the idea from America's Next Top Model. lol xD;; In one of their photoshoots, they did political issues, and a girl had this written on her stomach.
I used [link] as a slight ref. I changed the position a bit though.
Pro-choice all the way!
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Sex can be for pleasure. Sex doesn't mean consent to a fetus, however I will not argue this.
When there is a rape pregnancy, why punish the victim for it? And yes, that would be a punishment. It would be the second time someone has removed their rights over their body and reproduction for selfish ends.
Start losing what?
I have actually seen a mother die while giving birth. Neither survived. So I agree, in those times a fetus cannot be saved.
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Yes, but people should be responsible.
It is the second time someone loses rights. The baby loses their rights to their own body. They have legal rights, to sue people and inherit things from wills, but they have no rights to their own bodies and are at the mercy of their mother. If these women support who abortion are so obsessed about "rights over their bodies" they should start thinking how other people feel about theirs. They do have rights over their bodies, but NOT the body of someone else. The baby is not simply an appendage of the mother, they have their down body and they are their own being. But actually abortions due to rape only make up 1% of abortions in the US.
Everybody will die eventually, and most often it's really not fair when someone dies. But life's so valuable, and it's wrong to deliberately take someone's life away from them.
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I agree, they should.
The fetus does not have that right. If the fetus did, then abortion would not be legal like it is. In the third trimester it starts to obtain rights to life.
That can go both ways. If the fetus has a right to its body, then it shouldn't have a right over the body of its mother. Just because a fetus has a body doesn't give it automatic rights over the mother.
I wish people would not keep using that statistic. 65% of all rapes are never reported. Of the ones that are reported, most recieve a form of contraception after a rape kit. If not, they have a 57% chance of pregnancy on average. In my work alone, 43% of the women that come in have a rape/molestation pregnancy.
It is also wrong to remove a mothers rights over her own reproduction.
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The fetus does have the right to sue people and inherited from wills. Maybe not in all states though.
Why should you take out your pain on a child that resulted from rape. Why should you punish the child for what their father did. They had nothing to do with it.
The fetus isn’t taking away the rights of their mother by living. Simply existing doesn’t violate anybody’s rights; you’re not doing anything to that person. If someone is trying to keep you from existing then they are violating your rights. Doesn’t the fetus have rights over their own reproduction? If the mother kills them they will never reproduce and their rights have been violated. People are made to reproduce, and if you are so desperate not to, that you are willing to kill someone in order to accomplish that, then something isn’t right. A fetus is a living human child and should have the same rights as any other human being including their mother.
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The fetus cannot sue and cannot inherit, so that is ludicrous. I would love to hear what states that is in so I can research it.
Not a child. It is either a zygote, embryo or fetus. Also, it is either punish the girl for being raped, or terminate the one she could very well take her anger and pain out after it's born, and would cause her immense pain and suffering.
It is. It is using her body without consent, stealing her nutrients etc. So yes, it is hurting the mother and infringing on her rights. The fetus has no right to anything until the third trimester, simple as that, much less to reproduction. Aborting doesn't stop them from reproducing again. The ONLY times that happens is when a harmful method is used, such as a coat hanger, bleach etc. Also, giving the mother the right to chose is not violating her rights, so don't be ignorant. I can tell your smart, so learn something. :/
That is the biological reason, but not the only one. Our own anatomy allows sex for pleasure, and if something goes wrong then there is contraception and abortion.
Keyword, should. It does not though. Just because it is a human life, it doesn't give it automatic rights over her life and body. Simple as that.
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I just don't get how you can think that. Black people are human, and have life; should we put them back into slavery? Should people go and linch them for simply existing? If that living human has no rights to it's life or body, why should anybody? All human life is equal, no matter your race, gender, age, or disability. Does your mother have a right to kill you right now? How is it different if you killed you in the womb or now? You've always been living.
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What an odd comparison. :/ Considering black people aren't parasitic, they aren't using someones body without consent just to survive. Also, do you think the mother should have the choice under any circumstances?
If she did, I would welcome it. For all the misery having me caused her, I believe she has every right, but that is my personal belief.
Living or not does not matter. If anyone uses your body without consent, for any reason, then you have a right to kill them.
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Doesn't matter. When they became free, people didn't want them in society, and taking their jobs. So they tortured them and killed them for the same reason. They weren't wanted.
The child WAS given consent when they were conceived. They were put there. They are not committing any crime they are simply existing. Isn't a child still a "parasite" after they are born? All the way until they are adults they will always be dependent on their parents for food, clothes, exc. People are meant to reproduce and have kids... every living thing on earth is. Woman's bodies are made to be able to carry the child, and that is mutualism. The baby is not a parasite.
Do you even value your own life then? Because if you don't, you need to take a look at yourself and realize that your replaceable and your life is infinitely precious. And no one has the right to kill you, not even your mother. I would never go down without a fight. I love my mother enough to die for her, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let her kill me if she sees fit.
Killing someone in self-defense is completely different than killing someone who has done nothing to you.
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It does matter, as it is the whole point of abortion. It is stealing from her, using her body without consent. Black people were not.
Um no it wasn't unless they wanted to have it. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. I can consent to having sex, but I can NOT consent to pregnancy. Also, not really. It can survive without the mother, all it needs is food or formula.
Honesty, no I do not. I value the lives of other women above all else. As such I will always support their rights. Aww thanks for saying I'm precious.
We all have pasts, some are good and some are bad. Our experiences shape the way we feel about certain things.
Exactly. However a fetus has. It's violated the mothers rights to controlling her reproductive organs, and her body in general. So in a way it is self defense, as it has harmed the mother and infringed upon her rights.
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Pregnancy is a result of sex, and sex is the only way to get pregnant. (Unless you have the embryo implanted or something.) When you have sex it's like signing a 'Terms and Conditions' that state that it could result in pregnancy. If you want to have sex without having kids you can have your tubes tied or donate all your embryos to someone else. Killing your baby isn't the answer.
Sorry I meant "irreplaceable" not replaceable. If you have friends, I'm sure they would be grieving if something happened to you. If you value the lives of other woman why not yourself? Your no different. You're equally as important as any other human on the face of the earth. I'm sure you have talents. (even if you think you don't, you probably haven't discovered them yet.) I know from this conversation that you're good at debating/arguing. (way better then the other girl who's railing on me...) And even that is a very useful gift. You should really look for the good things about yourself. And if you're depressed take vitamin D! I think it's suppose to help...
Pregnancy is a natural process. The baby's not doing anything but existing. Self-defense against what your body does naturally?
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You can also get pregnant from rape. That isn't sex. Also, no it isn't. This isn't the dark ages where women are baby factories every time they get pregnant. Any woman can consent to sex, and not consent to pregnancy. Also, why would we get our tubes tied, when we can simply have an abortion. Less invasive for us. Also, killing a FETUS is the right answer for any woman who gets one, get over it. By the way, a baby isn't a fetus, embryo or zygote.
I only have a few friends and none of them honestly care. :/ Nobody came to visit or called whenever I was in the hospital etc. I value them because I was concieved by force, caused my mother immense pain and she was ultimately abandoned after having me, so I can't help but feel like it. I want to help other women have the choice my mother was denied.
I do have talents, but I know you would not like them so I won't mention it. The only other thing I can think of other than debates and that, is for some reason I know how to empathize. Haha I take vitamin D tablets. XD
It is self defense if the fetus is not wanted and is using her without permission.
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Less invasive for the woman who doesn't want the baby, but it's more then invasive for the baby, it takes their life!!! (fetus is derived from the latin word 'foetus' which means child.)
If your grandparents didn't want you aborted then they saw the value of your life. It's not your fault you were born, you were the one that forced anything on her. You're just existing. If your friends are there for you maybe you should try to make connections with other people. Of course I don't know too much about psychology... and stuff... I find it tough to make good friends...
But now you made me really curious about what your talents are... (If you tell me I promise I won't go off on any rant, or argue about anything other than abortion.) XD
But the fetus didn't ask to be there, or force her to let them be there. They were put there and they don't know what's going on.
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Sucks to be them. :/ Also I am very aware of what the word is derived from.
I did force her. My existence forced her to be a mother, forced her to be thrown out into the streets as a teen. I caused her so much pain. Even now she cannot look at me. She loves my daughter to death though haha.
Aww I have trouble there too. 
Haha it's kind of awkward, and alot of people don't really like it. I see ghosts.
True it did not ask to be there or even know what it is doing, but like Americans love saying "ignorance is no excuse". I hate sounding mean, it just comes off like that.
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Sorry for the awkwardly long pause between replies.... I had a ton of stuff going on the past couple weeks! DX
Her parents were the ones that forced her onto the streets, you didn't. If you could've helped her I'm sure you would've, but sometimes no matter how bad we want to help someone we're completely powerless to do anything. 
If you have a daughter doesn't that make you feel more valuable? Because if she depends on you, if something happened to you that would hurt her.
Yeah! That sounds good! ಥ‿ಥ
Ohhh I thought it might be something like that. Either that or I thought you were gonna say you were good at exotic dancing or something... XD Aren't you afraid though? What do they actively do?
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Haha it is fine.
Yeah I agree. *hug*
I don't really feel more valuable, I don't quite know how to explain how I feel.
Great!
Haha nope. XD That would be awkward haha. It has been a while since I've read the replies, so I forgot who the they were. XD My apologies.
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Thanks. =‿=
But you really should feel valuable. D8 'Cause you are. I think sometimes everybody has a hard time seeing what they're worth.
Yeah, I kinda forgot what we were talking about too.
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My pleasure.
I see myself as more of a stone, be it a stepping stone or one to hide behind.
Haha me too.
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Well you pretty just admitted that life isn't as important as one's rights to not reproduce. So if that's how you feel, I'm done. I consider life the most important thing in the world.
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Basicly. If she does not want a child, then don't force her. Keep childbirth a beautiful thing by not staining it with force. It's fine if you believe it is, but it's which life you support most. Which is it?
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I support them equally. She does not have to keep a child if she doesn't want them. But killing them because she does not want them is the most selfish thing a person can do.
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Giving birth is the other half, or in some cases a C-Section.
Selfish is in the eye of the beholder. I find removing a womans rights over her body to be extremely selfish.
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How is it selfish? I'm not thinking of myself. It's the woman who thinks only of her rights and what she wants. All about herself and not about the person dependent on her.
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Removing her rights over her body is selfish, as it takes away her choice and forces the decision for her.
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How can it be selfish if you are not thinking of yourself? It's saving lives. You care so much over rights over your body, and yet you say you'd welcome your mother killing you. Wouldn't she be violating the rights you have to your body, if she mutilated you? That's more then "using someone's body without their consent" that's destroying it completely. And that's what abortion is. I've seen those mutilated babies, and there is no doubt that it's wrong to do that to any living thing!
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It's selfish because it would remove another womans rights, just because of your beliefs. That is selfish.
I would welcome it after all the pain my existence has caused her. I would let her, so no she wouldn't be violating my rights. Plus I'm already pretty mutilated haha.
The ones that are torn up, are late term abortions or ones using archaic methods. Most abortions are done with a pill, which simply induces a period like effect, effectively expelling it.
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But you yourself said they were living. It's against the law to kill people and even some animals, so why should it be legal to kill a living baby that has not yet been born?
Even if you would welcome it, most kids wouldn't. All living things are born with a will to live. How do you know you're the one who caused her pain? If she was raped, wasn't it the man who raped her that caused her pain? If she didn't abort you she must've wanted you to live. I'm sorry you've been hurt. If the people around you are hurting you you should get out of that situation.
Don't you at least think it should be illegal to tear them apart like that? You yourself would know how it hurts.
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I'm not an expert on law, but here is what I found thus far. If a person tries to usurp control of anothers body, then that person can be terminated.
Except I'm not a kid haha.
Yes she was raped, but she couldn't bear the thought of having me and begged to have me aborted. Her parents refused, and after I was born she was disowned and cast into the streets. Plus, in giving birth to me, not being in a hospital and all, me coming out ended with her becomming sterile due to an infection from when I came out. She had no choice, and paid a heavy price for it.
That's sweet of you, but I put myself into that situation where I could get hurt, but I want to continue what I do.
I agree, it should be. Even I find that disturbing. Luckily saline abortions are Illegal in most place now.
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But again the baby didn't put themself there, the embryo was already in the woman and then man put the sperm there. So really they aren't the one who's violating anything.
Dang. I'm really sorry. But really you didn't do anything. It was wrong of her parents to not help her when she needed them, especially since she was raped. I don't know what parent would do that... And obviously it was wrong for whoever raped her to have done what they did. But you didn't do anything wrong, you didn't put yourself in her womb. And really it's much more her parents fault for the infection, since they were the ones who disowned her. Not your fault. If you'd been born in a hospital she could've been just fine.
What are you gaining from this situation from which you get hurt?
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Violating her bodily autonomy.
Haha nothing to be sorry about.
Aww
I agree, and he died in prison.
I see women who are happier after I help them. Knowing that I can help them medically, and now in that I can give them a place to sleep in safety gives me immense happiness.
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But bodies naturally do it. Girls have embryos from the moment their born. And your body will make extra blood whether you're pregnant or not. The first right anybody should have is the right to live. Killing someone whether they're born or unborn is the worst possible violation someone can commit. Everyone needs to be treated equally.
I starting feel like we're talking in circles... =_=
What do you do then? Are you an abortionist?
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No, we have eggs. Embryos are organisms in early developmental stages before birth or hatching. Just because we can do it naturally doesn't mean anything. Well, they do not have a right to life and nobody has a right to life when they use someone elses' body without their consent, be it a rapist or an unborn.
Haha I suppose we are.
I am a Gynecologist/Obstetrician. I do abortions, however it is only about a third of what I do.
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You can't punish people for things they don't know that they're doing though. Tons of criminals escape punishment by claiming they were insane and didn't know what they were doing. Babies don't know what's going on, they're really doing nothing but existing, and they shouldn't be killed for it. Rapists don't get death penalties, and they know what their doing.
What's the other two thirds?
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It doesn't matter if they are aware of it, what matters is that they are doing it. Also, many rapists do get death penalties. Unfortunately, most don't.
The rest is anything from a basic pap smear or ultrasound, to voluntary removal of the uterus.
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But that's not consistent. Juveniles who commit crimes don't get the death penalty. If a baby has committed a crime, shouldn't they be treated as juvenile criminals? You can't give someone a death sentence without a trial. Although, there nothing in the law that says it's a crime to exist.
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That depends on the country. Some countries do execute juveniles, most with a trial and some without. So by asking if they should be treated as juvenile criminals, you would either have to find a way to imprison a zygote, embryo or fetus, which would kill it. Or you would have to execute it.
It may not be a crime to exist, however it is a crime to use another persons body without their consent, be it a rapist or a fetus. If the fetus is not wanted, it does not have consent and the woman has every right to abort the pregnancy.
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Depending on the country, there are legal forms of rape too. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t make it right.
It’s selfish to take away someone’s life just because you don’t want to deal with it. You can’t punish a baby for things they don’t even realize they’re doing. And woman’s body certainly isn’t stopping the baby from using it either. Abortion isn’t natural.
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That is true. Libya is a prime example of that fact.
A baby is a term of endearment. If you want to use baby, go ahead, I am just pointing that out.
It's also selfish to take away the womans right of bodily autonomy. Also selfish to give birth to a child knowing you can't support it or don't want it. Everyone is selfish, and being selfish isn't a bad thing on it's own. That aside, just because they don't know what they are doing is no excuse. Most people would think that a rapist should be punished, even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
Actually, the womans body does do things to kill off an unborn, such as fetal resorption, where basically the womans body absorbs it back into her body up until the third trimester.
Abortion is natural. In nature it's called a miscarriage or spontaneous abortion. The methods you don't like are the induced abortions, so saying abortion itself is not natural is pure ignorance.
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What's wrong with using a term of endearment? People who support abortion only like to use the scientific terms because using a term like "baby" reminds them that it is in fact a person that is being killed.
YOU are taking away woman's right's to their bodies. Every female fetus is a developing woman, who's rights to her body, and very life are being ripped away because someone else says it's their right to choose. Where was her right to choose? Seriously, is a mother who aborts her child any better than a rapist? Both take advantage of another person's body to get what they want. Pretty much every murder happens because somebody needed another person dead in order to achieve something for themselves.
Miscarriages are caused by abnormalities or problems with the mother's body or hormones. I suppose you could call those problems natural, but it isn't the way things are suppose to work.
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Nothing, I am just pointing that out to you. Like I said if you want to use baby then go right ahead. Also, most pro choicers know that it's a human that's being killed. We aren't ignorant.
How exactly am I doing that? Last time I checked I didn't have to have an abortion. I can't get pregnant anymore haha.
So now you are comparing a woman who simply doesn't want to be pregnant to a rapist? Shows your level of sensitivity. I was impregnated after a rape (in the situation I stated above) and I know another girl in the same situation, except she did get an abortion. Care to tell rape victims who abort that they are the same as a rapist?
So a woman who aborts is taking advantage of it? No, she is trying to end a pregnancy that would either ruin her life or cause her unneeded pain. It's selfish to try and force them to give birth. I was under the impression that pregnancy and childbirth was supposed to be happy and wonderful. It isn't happy or wonderful when it's forced.
A miscarriage is a natural abortion. If you honestly hate abortion, then why don't you hate miscarriages? The only difference is how that happens. That's it.
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Well as far as I can remember every pro-choicer I've ever talked has been completely ignorant. Maybe that's just chance.
You said you perform abortions; and every female fetus aborted has had her rights violated. That's what I was talking about.
My sensitivity? Where's yours? You're perfectly fine with babies being murdered. I never said I was fine with people being raped. I despise it, and the people who do it. But regardless of what a mother's intentions are when she gets an abortion, the act is still the same. You yourself said ignorance was no excuse. Both the mother and the baby are victims of someone else who is destroying them.
How is it selfish? I'm not thinking about myself. Pro-choicers only seem to care about themselves. As long as it makes their life better it doesn't matter who gets hurt. In order to avoid pain, responsibility, cost, or hassle they decide to kill someone else. Isn't that how a rapist thinks, he doesn't care who he hurts or if he completely destroys someone else life as long as he gets what he wants. Bad things happen in life, but that doesn't make it right to kill or rape someone else in order to make you feel better.
I don't like miscarriages at all. Miscarriages can't always be helped though, as medicine advances maybe someday we will be able to stop them. Abortions are deliberate.
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I agree. There are many pro choicers who have no real clue what they are talking about. It's always good to find rational people, da?
Yes, however they do not have rights to begin with, so I am not violating anyones rights. That aside, I grew up with a community where we will help each other. If someone is in pain or is suffering, be it from rape, unintended pregnancy, kidnapping etc. we will help them.
It isn't murder. Murder is defined as the killing of another with malicious intent and aforethought. The intention of abortion is to immediately end a pregnancy. There is no malice in that. It would only be malicious if her only intention was "I'm going to kill it!". Until then, it is not murder.
So it is ok to force her to give birth against her will? Effectively removing her rights to choose what happens to and inside her own body for the second time? Even one time is too many. Which is better: Aborting a rape fetus before it learns of how it was conceived, the pain it causes her and knowing she doesn't want it. Or forcing a rape victim to endure even more pain, just because you don't want her to have a choice.
It's selfish because you would impose your beliefs on others. It isn't you being affected, it's them. Why not allow them to make their own choices, instead of forcing them to give birth?
A rapist thinks about overpowering his victim, wanting them to suffer. A woman who aborts wants the pain to be over. So once again you compare a rape victim to her rapist. How compassionate of you. :/ You are right in one thing, bad things happen in life. However, you shouldn't impose another bad thing on another womans life and rights just because you don't want her to choose what is best for her life.
Miscarriages are abortions though. The only way you can safely stop miscarriages is by changing the human body itself. Induced or natural, both are abortions and a part of life.
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That's not true. Murder is malicious and premeditated, and to be malicious is to want to case harm to someone. An abortion harms the fetus, who is a human being. Ending the pregnancy is killing the baby, so "I'm going to end this pregnancy" is the same as "I'm going to kill it." Even if the mother doesn't know what she's doing the abortionist does. What happened to the
Life doesn't end when you become pregnant, and these "rights" you keep talking about only go so far. When "rights" involve taking another person's life, an innocent person, I might add, they are not rights. People have the right to own property, but it is still illegal for a shopkeeper to shoot a thief, because human life is more valuable then items stolen from a store.
I'm pretty selfish to strongly oppose people killing each other. You really can't defend the morality of abortion.
Miscarriages aren't murder, people die of all sorts of conditions and sicknesses that can't be helped. Legal murder can be though. We can't stop murder completely, but it's wrong to have it be legal, and completely sick that people would make it into a business.
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The intention of getting an abortion is to immediately end the undesired pregnancy, that is not malicious. I have never heard of anyone come into a clinic and say "I want to kill this thing!" or anything like that, so nice try. Ending a pregnancy is not a malicious act nor is there any malice involved, thus is not murder.
"Life doesn't end when you become pregnant," That isn't for you to say. It could very well end a life, both literally and metaphorically.
It isn't innocent when it uses someones body without their explicit consent. Nobody, born or not, has any right to use someone elses body for any reason if they do not have consent.
Illegal for a shopkeeper to shoot a thief? Not really, if the shopkeeper feels his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him/her.
You are selfish for promoting women to be FORCED to give birth against their wills, essentially enslaving them to the unborn. Hating abortion is one thing, it's quite another to force someone into what should be a beautiful and happy experience. It's hardly a beautiful or happy time when it isn't wanted or is forced. You can't defend forced birth. And unlike you, I actually care about women. If you did, you wouldn't support something that would ruin their lives or could kill them.
Miscarriages aren't murder, and neither is abortion. True murder shouldn't be legal, but abortion isn't murder. There is a fine line between killing and murder, I suggest you learn the difference.
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Malice is certainly involved. Malice wants to cause harm. The abortionist wants to harm the baby. If the baby doesn’t die, he can’t collect his paycheck. It’s a legit example of murder. And I think you know that, but you’re trying to twist the word to have a different meaning.
The baby was given consent when they were conceived. It’s not the baby’s fault the message was delivered, if the mother didn’t mean for it to be.
I can defend it easily. I can defend people being forced to do, and not do a lot of things. Poor Jeffrey Dahmer! Why wouldn’t the government let him make his own choices about his diet? Why should he be FORCED to stop eating the food he loves so much? Because, he was eating human beings, that’s why. And I am completely opposed to his “right to choose.” Poor Nazis! It must be so hard for them to be FORCED to live in a world with Jews. If they want to go as seclude themselves from the rest of world and live in their “perfect” society, who am I to stop them. But the moment they start killing people as the “solution” to their problems, they have to be stopped.
Unlike you? I’m seriously not trying to be rude, but It’s pretty bold to accuse me of not caring for woman, when you are completely disregarding them. You don’t believe woman (or men) have a right to live. That says quite a bit.
I’ve learned the difference. One can’t be helped, and the other is done intentionally. Murder is intentional, and there isn’t a way to get around that.
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"Malice is certainly involved. Malice wants to cause harm. The abortionist wants to harm the baby. If the baby doesn’t die, he can’t collect his paycheck." Incorrect. The abortionist doesn't want to harm it. The intent of the abortionist is either to help end the pregnancy or to help their patient. It isn't to cause harm, so there is no malice. No malice, no murder. I am not twisting words, I am giving you the definition of murder and explaining what criteria needs to be met in order for it to be considered murder.
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The baby was given consent when they were conceived." It is only given consent when the mother wants it. There is no consenting to an unwanted pregnancy.
We both know cannibalism and genocide isn't the same as abortion. Please, stop getting off topic unless you want to switch the focus of this discussion.
I believe in a right to live, however I know that any right to live is void when you try to use someones body without their explicit consent. Nobody has that right, born or unborn.
Murder is indeed intentional, however I already proved that abortion isn't murder. It's closer to manslaughter or self-defense, depending on the situation.
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And what does he have to do to end the pregnancy? His intention is to perform an abortion to end the pregnancy, and kill the baby. Killing a baby is certainly harming it. There is malice involved, and it is completely intentional, thus, it is murder. There is absolutely no denying that. And you’ve proven nothing. But you don't want to think about that, because that would make you supporting murder.
You can’t call it man slaughter either, because manslaughter is usually unintentional, or accidental. No planning goes into it. But even manslaughter is a horrible thing, that people go to jail for it. You can’t call it self-defense either. If two people were sitting in a sinking lifeboat, and one person pushed the other out and tried to drown them in order to keep the lifeboat from sinking, is that self-defense?
I’m not off subject, it’s an example. Abortion is almost exactly the same as genocide. It’s fine to not want kids, but when killing them is the solution, it has to be stopped. Genocide involves people being killed because nobody wants them around. And believing they don’t have a right to live based on factors which can usually not be controlled. Abortion is killing people because you don’t’ want them, or you believe they don’t have a right to live because of factor(s) they cannot control.
Clearly you don’t’ believe people have a right to live, or you wouldn’t support them being killed. If you believe no one has a right to be conceived, you believe no one has a right to exist. You can’t claim to care about woman when you don’t’ even believe they have a right to exist.
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Yes but you're forgetting it's all about the perspective of "when does life begin?" some people believe it begins at conception and others believe it begins at birth, etc.
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Life is a constant :U.
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A baby starts developing a heart and brain within one month after conception. They grow, and eat and can sense changes in their environment, which are all characteristics of living things. If they weren't alive then, what makes them suddenly alive once they exit their mother? If you were aborted before you weren't "living," would it fair for someone else to choose whether they wanted you to exist or not?
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*fetus
Is it fair for the government to decide what happens to your body? Do they have the rights to it? If you think they are entitled to tell you when you must carry a child then you might as well have no rights to your own body in any way, shape, or form.
And if your answer is still yes, I can assure you that if you were in a situation in which it actually mattered, you would have a much different opinion.
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