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such strength, of mechanical means,that powered our past,
when life was full of dreams,
oh why, nothing lasts.
series of pics of steam engine, preserved yes, but regulary pulling pulman cars for the Orient Express.
Tech.
the original tech below re Tangmere, is incorrect,
The image belongs to 35028 'Clan Line' - a rebuilt bulleid merchant navy, see [link] to gain some understanding of my mistake.
I will leave the line below, albeit incorrect, whilst understanding is levelled out.
Engine No.34067 'Tangmere' Merchant Navy class, Southern Region. Train carries ensignia 'The Golden Arrow' or 'la flèche d'or', which would run from Waterloo London to Dover.
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34067 is actually a Battle Of Britain class Light Pacific, the Merchant Navy class was an earlier heavy Pacific design, and the late 1940s saw the arrival of the Light Pacific, incorporating the Battle Of Britain and West Country classes of locomotive. Both types were the same in build, but West Country class locos carried names of cities and places in the West Country, and the Battle Of Britain class carried names of famous R.A.F squadrons based in the southern regions where the engines worked.
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All is now clear, take a look, Problem and questions answered, take a look at this, no wonder I got confused, I can't ever remember seeing this! But I did too. [link]
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34067 'Tangmere' doesn't feature a Walschaerts valve gear, only the rebuilt West Countries/Battle of Britain and Merchant Navy class engine has this valve gear. Plus, 34067 isn't a Merchant Navy class pacific.
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Perhaps you can explain exactly what is occurring here then, as you seem to be quite a knowledgable expert, which I do not claim, here is the rest of the loco, [link] that the wheels belong to, must admit I don't think I actually see any Walscherts valve gear here, however I do not claim to be that decerning, it has the engine number, it carries the engine name and the 'Golden Arrow' did it borrow the wheels and gear from else where, maybe they nicked them? Now I believe my information to be correct, however I would be happy to edit with the correct copy if you could supply it. I have also supplied an image of the cab interior [link] , hope you like then all and leave me a fave for each
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The engine in the link doesn't have the exact drive gear I see in this one. The engine in the picture (Not in the link) is either a rebuilt SR West Country/Battle of Britain or Merchant Navy class engine, in which results of having Walschaerts valve gear.
[link] (34067 Tangmere as how it really looks)
[link] (A rebuilt of the SR West Country/Battle of Britain class pacific)
Take a look at each valve gear between the two engines.
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I see what you are getting at, but something is really amiss hear, I only saw one engine on that day, Tangmere, in fact it was probably the only engine I saw all that year, if I had, I would of taken pictures of it, which is a fact I know, plus I have no reason to alter, change or deceive, so you need to give me the answer, like I said I am no expert.
The system in my photo is nothing like the example you site, if it were the gear drive, it would be on the central wheel connector, not the front wheel connector and be going in a forward direction, as does the piston drive, this shot must of been taken from the unseen side of the engine, which would make the piston laying correct. I will have in ask others about this. There does seem to me some sort of mystery here, exactly what I think neither of us knows at present, but we both need to find out now!
But there is one irrefutable piece of evidence, look at the date and times of the photos:
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Camera Data
Make:EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
Model:KODAK DX4530 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA
Shutter Speed:1/91 second
Aperture:F/2.8
Focal Length:8 mm
Date Taken:Jan 6, 2003, 9:03:14 AM
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Camera Data
Make:EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
Model:KODAK DX4530 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA
Shutter Speed:1/32 second
Aperture:F/2.8
Focal Length:8 mm
Date Taken:Jan 6, 2003, 9:03:29 AM
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Camera Data
Make:EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
Model:KODAK DX4530 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA
Shutter Speed:1/32 second
Aperture:F/2.8
Focal Length:8 mm
Date Taken:Jan 6, 2003, 9:01:41 AM
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which was used for the previous manipulation
Camera Data
Make:EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
Model:KODAK DX4530 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA
Shutter Speed:1/32 second
Aperture:F/2.8
Focal Length:8 mm
Date Taken:Jan 6, 2003, 9:01:41 AM
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I've studied all the valve gears I could study, I know trains well, I never get a steam locomotives wheel arrangement wrong, I have a great memory. Never doubt it.
34067 'Tangmere' was never refitted with a Walschaerts valve gear, it had it's own chain-driven valve gear it's whole life.
The engine you may have seen in this picture was taken on a different day. You may have seen more than one of them.
Take a look at these two wikipedia's. Read then top-down.
[link]
[link]
Study real hard and take in a lot of information you can from those wikipedia's. You will soon find a huge "Change".
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I am quite sure you are right, however, I need to find out what has gone on.
I know that the shots were taken only seconds, possibly a minute apart,
I know all the shots were taken at Stewart Road Depot Battersea,
I know I was extremely excited to get a personal invitation to look in shed, ( I was installing a pop up display else where in the same yard)
I know I went there in pain from sciatica,
I know climbing the steps to get into the cab, literally tore my back in half and I spent about 12 week recovering, the 1st 4 sleeping on a concrete floor in a sleeping bag.
I think 2509-Silverlink is right when he says the only possible option is that it is a photo of the gear on Clan Line 35028
If it is
I don't know why I do not have full photo of the Lady - I would of taken this had she been there!
Time to find the original files, dig out some hard disk resources and hope the 'roll of film' will enlighten me.
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You may roll the film of pictures on that day. I'm totally okay with that.
The engine "2509-Silverlink" doesn't exist today, it was scrapped. The possible locomotive in this photo could be #35028 Clan Line.
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Problem and questions answered, take a look at this, no wonder I got confused, I can't ever remember seeing this! But I did too. [link] Thank you for your held and for switching the light on LOL
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Your welcome! 
Oh and there is another thing. #34027 "Taw Valley" is also under overhaul. So there could be a possibility that it could be #34027 or #35028 Clan Line. Now I'm stuck on which engine is which. Since both of the engines are under overhaul with their boilers off, The rebuilt SR Merchant Navy class Pacific's and West Country/Battle of Britain class Pacific's look identical, I can't tell which is which.
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2509-silverlink left this which pretty much confirm its Clan Line ~2509-Silverlink 13 hours ago Hobbyist General Artist
I've done some further research on my part based on my previous assumption it was Clan Line, and the locomotive, location and year are a match, courtesy of 35028's official website;
Thus began a long association with the Orient Express train which continues today. There was however a logistical problem in that Southall was some distance in railway terms from Victoria from where these Pullman trains operate. Consequently, the opportunity of relocating to a railway maintenance facility based at a location at Stewarts Lane in Battersea arose and the engine, support coach and back-up workshop facilities were moved in March 1999 and established in a 1950s electric locomotive maintenance building.
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well its been an interesting journey, thank you. How was the cake? haven't got my faves yet! LOL
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The cake was delicious! LOL I outta fave!
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2509-silverlink [link] is another member of DA, who I know and involved in this discussion, because I am just a nonce when it comes to tech details.
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I viewed his profile, His recent journal entry was kinda surprising as the "City of Truro" #3717 was retired.
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Its a shame, expense the burden I expect
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These things are important, we have lost so much, then once it has gone, probably never to return. I don't really believe in these new engines they are building, there is only a limited market of interest, and these new kids are stealing the corner block which will only lead to less cake for the originals!
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mind you that P2 is a temptress isn't she
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A Mikado of immense beauty, none were spared, now the group who built the Tonardo A1 pacific a couple of years ago, are re-building this Lady or so its said, she evolved with 5 others into [link] , when Gresley died Thompson converted them into A2 pacific's
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Well, the driving wheels and gear definitely do not belong to 34067 Tangmere - an unrebuilt Bulleid BOB.
Looking at various photographs, there is only ONE mainline certified SR pacific with unpainted axle ends in preservation - 35028 'Clan Line' - a rebuilt bulleid merchant navy.
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It was so long ago I took these photos, timing indicates all were taking together, I am wondering/racking my brain if there was another chassis there. However, to me it looks as if the valve gear connecting rod is laying in the wrong direction, plus what we are seeing should be on the centre driving wheel, not the forward drive wheel?, where the connecting rod is angle up to the piston.
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But it is the centre driving wheel and the edge of the leading driver on the right hand side of the loco that we're looking at. The valve gear rod is in the right position
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Problem and questions answered, take a look at this, no wonder I got confused, I can't ever remember seeing this! But I did too. [link]
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I am quite sure you and Jengapro29 are right, however, I need to find out what has gone on.
I know that the shots were taken only seconds, possibly a minute apart,
I know all the shots were taken at Stewart Road Depot Battersea,
I know I was extremely excited to get a personal invitation to look in shed, ( I was installing a pop up display else where in the same yard)
I know I went there in pain from sciatica,
I know climbing the steps to get into the cab, literally tore my back in half and I spent about 12 week recovering, the 1st 4 sleeping on a concrete floor in a sleeping bag.
I think 2509-Silverlink is right when he says the only possible option is that it is a photo of the gear on Clan Line 35028
If it is
I don't know why I do not have full photo of the Lady - I would of taken this had she been there!
Time to find the original files, dig out some hard disk resources and hope the 'roll of film' will enlighten me.
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I believe they have the Golden Arrow as a standby for The Flying Scotsman, isn't it almost exactly the same engine? I could be thinking of something else though.
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No, different class altogether, Golden Arrow was on the Southern region, Mercant Navy Class, but your close, there was a Green Arrow GN, which is / was similar or same class. here take a look [link]
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Ah yes, must be the Green Arrow I was thinking of 
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It's very simple. The reverser works in pairing with the regulator, the regulator sets the amount of steam applied to the cylinders direct from the boiler, and the reverser can be used to regulate the amount of and how it uses the steam it produces. A reverser set fully forward/backward means the loco will achieve a low speed, but a high pulling power with full potential tractive effort. As the train picks up speed, less force is needed to gain additional speed, so the reverser is wound back towards the central position, reducing the amount of steam brought into the cylinders and increasing the efficiency of the usage of steam. The reverser can also be used as a speed limiter, allowing the locomotive to run for a extended amount of time until it reaches the peak flow rate of steam to the cylinders will result in the loco reaching and maintaining a steady speed. So it really is an important piece of kit, and knowing how to properly use it can separate a good driver from a legendary driver.
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many thanks for your reply to this question I actually posed 4 or 5 years ago, LOL someone knows or is it more like someone can be bothered to read back comments, since I have been producing, what I call side profile technical illustrations [link] I have understood more and more about how it works, but no one has given me the answer to that question. many thanks my friend.
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I'll re-iterate my previous comment to :devdexserv::
It's very simple. The reverser works in pairing with the regulator, the regulator sets the amount of steam applied to the cylinders direct from the boiler, and the reverser can be used to regulate the amount of and how it uses the steam it produces. A reverser set fully forward/backward means the loco will achieve a low speed, but a high pulling power with full potential tractive effort. As the train picks up speed, less force is needed to gain additional speed, so the reverser is wound back towards the central position, reducing the amount of steam brought into the cylinders and increasing the efficiency of the usage of steam. The reverser can also be used as a speed limiter, allowing the locomotive to run for a extended amount of time until it reaches the peak flow rate of steam to the cylinders will result in the loco reaching and maintaining a steady speed. So it really is an important piece of kit, and knowing how to properly use it can separate a good driver from a legendary driver.
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.........well if I find out I'll let you know
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so do I so reminiscent of my childhood
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awesome shot - so clear and detailed - neat the old mechanics of the steam engine
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always had a fascination for machines, thank you
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