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FelisGlacialis In reply to Vannjaren [2020-05-22 11:21:01 +0000 UTC]

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Vannjaren In reply to FelisGlacialis [2020-06-11 23:56:17 +0000 UTC]

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FelisGlacialis In reply to Foxofwonders [2020-03-18 11:26:43 +0000 UTC]

Lol no worries - better late than never and I'm glad to read that this tutorial has helped many people in drawing canines and felines more accurately.

I still have the vague plan to make one for hyenas vs canines too, since there are quite som misunderstandings regarding hyenas

But yes, I'm a feline in heart and soul and that shows in my gallery I guess^^
Your work is very impressive too *watches you back*

(ah and I see that you're Dutch? - I'm originally form the Netherlands too, but moved 8 years ago so am more Norwegian now)

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Foxofwonders In reply to FelisGlacialis [2020-03-18 16:22:46 +0000 UTC]

I don't know much about hyenas other than that the females are pretty dominant and apparently have a fake penis.
I'd be interested in seeing it. Considering how little I know about them, much would be new, which is cool!

Ahhh that means a lot coming from you, thank you!

(And yes! Cool, I would never have guessed. I've only been to Norway once on a holiday trip, it's such a beautiful country. Beside the shorter daylight in winter it seems like a wonderful country to live in, also since I heard healthcare and education there is pretty good too.)

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FelisGlacialis In reply to Foxofwonders [2020-03-22 23:01:39 +0000 UTC]

Yeah that's their strange kinda thing. They are also closer to felines that canines, which many people don't know.

There are some interesting anatomical differences, particularly in the skull as well.

I won't make this tutorial anywhere soon, since I have another big project that I prioritize now.

And yeah it's a spectacular country- landscape-wise and I thrive here in the far North with all the snow. The sun doesn't rise for two months in winter and you only get this blue dusk/twillight light. It's actually really beautiful. In summer, we have the Midnight sun; so sunshine throughout the night.

It also seems the best contry to do a PhD

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FelisGlacialis In reply to Rebel-Rider [2020-01-20 15:47:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, good to hear!

Yeah I had actually considered that as well but then realized that this was mostly an anatomical ref-sheet. ALthough it's still a good addition if I want to make a fifth chart. The differences in behaviour and movement are indeed very telling for both canines and felines. That's another thing that I've often been surprised about - when people say that siderians remind them of canines....I'm like...all the behaviour and particularly movement that I show in my siderian art is just so typically feline...how on Earth can one mistake that for canine ??

So in that sense...yeah maybe I should indeed show the differences in movement and behaviour.

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Rebel-Rider In reply to FelisGlacialis [2020-01-20 15:56:08 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. While it’s pretty easy to find tutorials on how the anatomy of canines and felines differs, I have never seen a tutorial on how to draw differences in behavior.

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FelisGlacialis In reply to Rebel-Rider [2020-01-21 14:37:14 +0000 UTC]

Hmm maybe then it's time to change that

Just have to find time/energy. I currenty have a few higher priority long-term projects going on.

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Rebel-Rider In reply to FelisGlacialis [2020-01-21 14:50:41 +0000 UTC]

Yes, a change of that would be good and I don’t think there are many artists qualified to do it.
Perfectly understandable. Everyone has a life.

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FelisGlacialis In reply to lapis-lazuri [2020-01-20 15:43:13 +0000 UTC]

Another crazily late reply....

But yeah; there is never enough bionerdiness. Indeed; it's the total picture of small details that add up to the feeling of feline/canine.

I've been thinking about making a very detailed siderian refsheet again with some new skeleton and muscle studies under different angles. Especially the paws are kinda still tricky sometimes.

I would love to see more reference sheets from you 8D Also plants as we spoke about.

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lapis-lazuri In reply to FelisGlacialis [2020-01-21 11:32:14 +0000 UTC]

I was actually thinking about doing a tutorial about wings in hexapod vertebrates.... because I see so much nonsense in fantasy winged creatures that it makes my head ache. And of course ref sheets

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CapeKelpie In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-14 09:41:48 +0000 UTC]

Dude, chill. Why would you assume this is an attack on people who distort anatomy on purpose. More specifically why would you think this is about *you*???
This is clearly a lesson on correct anatomy, based on extant(and some extinct) species. This is not about hard-and-fast laws of drawing anatomy, and no-where does it attempt to bash stylized anatomy. If your adjustments to anatomy are intentional, then they are not mistakes and the "mistakes" section of this fabulous tutorial doesn't apply to you. Don't take things so personally. It makes you look more insecure or arrogant than you are.
I'm sure your art is lovely, but you shouldn't feel the need to rush to defend it against someone who wasn't talking about it at all. 

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I-WhiteLightning-I In reply to CapeKelpie [2019-08-15 01:56:12 +0000 UTC]

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CapeKelpie In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-16 18:17:49 +0000 UTC]

I've looked at your art, and its great. Nowhere did you claim it was perfect. Don't put words in my mouth. What I'm objecting to is your idea that this was a personal attack against your art. *That* is was makes you appear arrogant. The long winded explanation of why your alterations to anatomy were intentional only shows further how you feel the need to rush to your art's defense, even though this is clearly not about it. 
Basically what i'm saying is that you shouldn't take this so personally. Not everything is about you.

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lapis-lazuri In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-12 10:44:52 +0000 UTC]

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I-WhiteLightning-I In reply to lapis-lazuri [2019-08-15 03:46:26 +0000 UTC]

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lapis-lazuri In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-15 08:18:51 +0000 UTC]

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lapis-lazuri In reply to lapis-lazuri [2019-11-22 11:37:16 +0000 UTC]

Though I could say that interjection was as out of place as it is tendentious. It is clear you're attacking me because of a personal grudge, Sibera, and that was terribly hypocritical.

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Mudstar-Sibera In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-15 08:14:45 +0000 UTC]

I would like to say... even though I typically hate dropping comments in the middle of drama between others because it solves nothing- if people want to blame you for "putting yourself in the middle of something that has nothing to do with you" that argument means nothing when you are attacked by someone other than the author of the content, who indeed was understanding of your words. You aren't the one self inserting, I guess people have too much time on their hands these days. So all I want to say is don't mind them. I know if Jayme has a problem he will be forthcoming with letting you know. None of us are perfect and I think it was clear you meant no disrespect.

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Demon-of-Freedom In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-11 11:15:59 +0000 UTC]

No, this tutorial was not created with the aim of attacking the anatomy of the original creatures of other artists, but, on the contrary, as you correctly noted at the end, it is aimed at artists who want to learn how to realistically draw felines/canines.

In fact, one of the reasons, why Jayme created this series of useful tutorials, consists is that some people threw inappropriate comments in which stubbornly called his view siderians - wolves, although, obviously, what they are for everything 100% feline. But, it seems, many people see them as wolves, simply because they don’t even know what the wolf looks like. This series of tutorials clearly shows the representatives of the canines family and common mistakes that people not only draw, but sometimes really think, that it is SO wolf that looks like.

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FelisGlacialis In reply to I-WhiteLightning-I [2019-08-11 11:08:34 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I can see your point and the issue with style vs realism is always quite difficult. First of all; it's not meant as a personal attack - just as a piece of information.

(and yes I know that being sleep deprived can make one much more sensitive for things, so don't worry)

But yeah, what I'm trying to say is that these 'mistakes' are to take in account if one aims to draw realistic wolves.

I'm not against style and surrealistic, original wolf-like species either. But what I have experienced many times is that if people still call these species just 'wolves' and don't give them another name, it would make others confused and creates an overall misunderstand of what real wolves actually look like. I know that many artists who draw original wolf-like species, know what a real wolf looks like. However, I have experienced so many times that people are misled by this variable representation of wolves and that they have such a strange image of what 'wolves' look like that they even call my -obviously- feline species wolves. That really , really bothers me.

So, I'm not against wolf-like species who don't look like actual wolves and I'm not against style, but I would strongly urge people to not call them wolves or even canines (because some of the species that I have seen don't even fit within the features of the canine family), but something else or make very clear that this is an original wolf-like species inspired by other non-canine species or that it is style.

But yes, here I do feel a bit stuck since I also want to respect 'style' and that is the whole point of art, is that one is free with style and all.

So maybe this tutorial just helps people to understand what real wolves and other canids look like and help them distinguish anatomical realism from style.

It doesn't hurt to know this either.

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I-WhiteLightning-I In reply to FelisGlacialis [2019-08-15 02:28:50 +0000 UTC]

All is good. This is a really awesome tutorial to draw canines and felines realistically and I hope it helps those who curiously refer to your Siderians as 'canines' and especially to those trying to get a good feel for correct anatomy. That's quite interesting others have been calling your Siderians canines since they are very clearly feline! I'm very sorry that has been quite bothersome and hope this tutorial clears things up. 

Looking back on my comment, I'm really not sure why I used the verbage of 'personal attack' when that's not what I meant at all. I was just not thinking clearly that night from the sleep deprivation and also a bit off from a bad day at work. (Sometimes I am just more sensitive that way and don't really look at or process things correctly and from the looks of it...get myself into trouble too.) I'm glad you didn't take my comment the wrong way because the last thing I want to do is upset someone or make myself look like I'm being personally attacked. That is quite literally what I *wasn't* trying to do! I am not sure I'll be able to make amends with the other two artists who took my comment the wrong way as it looks like the damage has already been done but I suppose it will just teach me to not look at or especially comment on anything when I am not in the right state of mind.

I have been (rather silently) following you and your artwork/ comic for years and have always greatly admired your artwork and the great attention to detail you pour into it. I honestly don't know how you do it so well. Everytime I see a new piece, I am taken aback. I look foward to seeing your other tutorials and hopefully be able to use them to correct some of the inconsistencies in my realistic work. Sometimes it is very hard to keep the realistic and stylized apart from eachother since I am quite guilty of mixing the two once in awhile. (Even with no intentions to do so.) 

Even on Instagram and the like, I have seen where people ARE confusing the anatomy on their canine/feline characters and referring to them as strictly 'wolf' or something of the like or not getting the proportions/ muscle definition quite right. So I can definitely see the need for this tutorial and the others you have done so far and are planning to do. I often get asked for tutorials on drawing realistically and now that that you've made this one, I will definitely start referring those who ask me to your tutorial.

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FelisGlacialis In reply to 7Bugs [2019-08-10 10:55:52 +0000 UTC]

Hehe thanks! yeah that came a bit unexpected! A very nice surprise though.

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FelisGlacialis In reply to SydneeGOL [2019-08-06 13:03:37 +0000 UTC]

That explains it. It's downloadable in fullsize and available in 1920px wide - perfectly readable on a screen.

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SydneeGOL In reply to FelisGlacialis [2019-08-06 13:11:08 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I'm looking at it on the computer now

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FelisGlacialis In reply to SydneeGOL [2019-08-06 13:24:11 +0000 UTC]

it could also be an internet connection problem - when my wifi is crap, it doesn't load the pictures fully and keeps them pixelated.

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