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Fragdog β Rant: Get Rid of It
Published: 2012-08-07 19:18:36 +0000 UTC; Views: 7894; Favourites: 222; Downloads: 10
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Now, before acting like a fucking dumbass, read the entire description.Why? It taught us values.
Granted, it may have but it also taught us hatred and intolerance towards people, see the big past for example, salem witch trials, Templar crusades.
It won't get rid of anything!
Yes, it may not but it would get greatly reduce bigotry, racism, sexism and all the other things, and we'd be less divided. And yes, there'd still be jackasses around like Stalin for example but at least less people would've died, because we'd have less motivations for things like the Holocaust, WBC, etc.
And what would this exactly accomplish?
We'd have advanced research, space travel, cures for deadly diseases (stem cell research), ability to regrow limbs (stem cell research) and many things stem cell research would have.
And what would we lose?
Holidays and death tolls, to be honest, it sounds like a fair trade, especially since I don't celebrate holidays.
I'm not saying that religion has caused all problems, I'm just saying that we could do without it because mankind used it wrong, and if you want to do it right, just focus on love and tolerance (no pony reference intended) instead.
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Its not that Im religious (im not) but cant you just understand that your stamps are REALLY annoying everyone???
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Faith and religion are two VERY different things. Religion is basically the church's politics and rules and stuff like that.
Religion is what caused all those wars, because people's religions are different.
Everyone's faith is the same. Mormons, Christian's, you name it. We all believe in basically the same thing. Faith IS belief.
I find things like these sad, because Atheists think that God hates them because that's what their expirience is.
Just because you were bullied in school, or you are emo, or someone left you, or your parents were abusive, you think that God did that to you.
That God made them do what they did.
That's not true, and it's sad that that's how you feel.
I'm sorry about what happened.
But think about it, hating God isn't a pleasant thing to feel, is it?
Why influence others to bear that as well?
I'm sorry for whatever made you feel that way.
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With how commercial the main religious holidays like Christmas are, I doubt we'll lose them. I mean, I grew up in a totally atheistic household and we celebrated Christmas/Easter, just not the religious parts.
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Religion or Faith? They're different things. Even without religion, faith will continue on.
You can't destroy faith without ending human lives. Humans will always believe in God as long as there's a God to believe in. If you kill every faithful person (no matter what faith it may be) then that's gonna be most of the entire world. Then who's the bad guy in this scenario? The people who were faithful (having faith) or the non-faithful who killed all of them off? That's probably more than the crusades, jihads and everything else combined.
Even then, there are more Christians (and people of other faiths, I'm sure) who believe in science and medicine than otherwise. As for holidays, even non-faithful people celebrate them. Like Christmas. I've met Atheists who celebrate some form of Christmas (X-mas, whatever.) If research isn't advanced now, it isn't entirely because of the faithful who dissent to it. It's not like magically getting rid of faith will somehow advance the universe ten million years.
I'm sorry if I sounded rude here. I just really disagree.
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"You can't destroy faith without ending human lives."
Then why do people lose faith? Why has faith in God decreased over the past years? As people realize that God is unnecessary, unprovable, and unbelievable, they will convert. Simple enough.
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There will still be some faith though. There are people who lose faith, but every day there are people who gain faith. You can't end faith 100%, because there will always be somebody who believes. That's why you can't destroy it, there will always be SOMEBODY who will believe in it and you can't stop that.
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Does anyone still think the sun orbits the earth, though? Maybe someone, somewhere, but it's so insignificant that there is no controversy.
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How is that even relevant?
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Point is that eventually the number of people believing in God will probably be so very small that there might as well be no people who do, if the general trend of atheism continues. Especially as science delves into the beginnings of the universe and discovers more and more how unnecessary a God is, and as the general public begins understanding that. Which may take decades or centuries, but it will happen. Unless civilization is wiped out first, in which case the remnants will probably rise up into another set of dark ages.
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The thought of that happening is depressing as hell.
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What can be proven without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Keep your beliefs to yourself and those who agree with them.
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I don't even know what you're replying to. My instinct tells me that this is a very old comment that I might not even agree with anymore and that you were just scrolling through when you saw my comment and decided to respond.
Am I right?
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I see your icon is of Twilight from the episode Pinkie Sense and I find it ironic that in that episode the lesson is you can believe in things you cant see and that you need to except peoples beliefs, and here you are bashing on Christians, I don't understand why people only bash on Christians...we believe in walking in love towards others, why do people not want that? Just everyone leave each other alone, violence will not stop violence. Oh, and anyone who thinks they can bash Christians and expect us to forgive you because that's what we do, think again.
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What makes you think I bash Christians and bash Christians exclusively? Or violently, for that matter? o.O God is not exclusively Christian. Religion is not exclusively Christian. Most people who self-identify as "Christians" are NOT loving (certainly no more loving than any other people), despite the philosophy of Jesus being quite tolerant and progressive. While you can argue these people aren't Christians, they still believe in God and are religious.
As for that episode? Pinkie Sense has far more evidence than any religion. It wasn't a lesson about believing in things you can't see; Pinkie's ability had clearly accurate predictions. MLP is set in a world of magical ponies, with many unique or nearly-unique magical phenomenons. As such Pinkie Sense is far more believable than it would be in the real world. The real lesson of that episode was that it is sometimes alright to believe something without fully understanding how it works. Most people who drive cars don't really know how their cars work, but they can safely have faith in this strange device because it is generally safe and reliable. I don't know all the inner workings of a computer or how this website's code exactly works, but I can still use it and believe it all works pretty well so far as my experience shows that it does.
Also, you can't "except" people's beliefs, but you can "accept" them. I accept the right of anyone to believe whatever they want. That doesn't mean I have to accept what they believe in as true, or to agree with them, or even to never challenge their beliefs, for that matter, or to not hope that people will stop believing in certain things.
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This "One Nation Under God" bullshit NEEDS TO STOP.
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Getting rid of religion... where? In general? In schools? In the governement?
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Getting rid of religion would basically be taking away some human rights. Plus, even if you ban it, they would still believe its teachings.
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The only downside to getting rid of Religion are the Holidays, which are fun. I'm only saying that because I'm Christian, but really rarely go to church.
So technically we're just celebrating Christmas cause it's Christmas
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I don't see why you put smiley faces in there, Christmas is suppose to celebrate the day that Jesus was born, CHRISTmas remember? How can you be a Christian if you don't even celebrate your savior?
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Because presents are the shit.
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I disagree with your points
Why? It taught us values.
Example of man using religion as an excuse. Witch craft was a scary thing ... people did not understand it so they wanted to banish it ... the highest authority was God, so the motivation was to tell the masses that God wanted them to be purified (or otherwise known as killed). Therefor God as motivation to remove the evils they were superstitious of.
It won't get rid of anything!
bigotry, racism, sexism and all the other things will still be there because of human nature. "You are different to me, therefore you are inferior to me" ... it's haman nature not religion. Stalin may be a radical example ... but there are many many like him that won't act out in the same degree. Take anti theists for example ... they blame the worlds problems on religion without looking to see what it really is that causes the problem. Blame religion because it's seemingly the only thing that ties all the causes.
And what would this exactly accomplish?
There have been periods in history were knowledge has been lost because the people followed a new path. Example is the Greeks and Romans - they followed the pantheon even at their peak ... they went another way (not religiously motivated) and the knowledge was lost. Most religious people supported stem cell research but it was the loud ones that made it look like a majority. Hell, there were even atheists among those who were against stem cell research.
And what would we lose?
Most holidays have been commercialised beyond recognition, you wouldn't lose them. Death tolls would still be the same, just motivated by other factors like region or skin colour.
What would you loose - many religions require you to tithe or serve your community ... that is a massive loss in revenue for people who really require it and wouldn't get it if people didn't feel guilty (unfortunately religion does tend to make people feel guilty about not helping in some form ... meant to come from a genuine concern, not guilt ... reality is a different story)
Yeah ... people are shits when they abuse and distort religion to gain what they want. It's human nature and they will find something to replace their religious excuses.
You might not find any difference in the end
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holy shit I love you okay.
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
I'm agnostic but I'm certainly not against religion. Several of my friends are religious and never talk about it. So it doesn't bug me.
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I love talking religion with my friends. I have an Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist and Christian friend/s. Really interesting to hear the different ideas from the people.
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That's so cool~
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Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to
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Religious people always brag about "Not all religious people are psychos".
TO THE VOID WITH THAT SHIT!! There would'nt be any extremists if religioun had'nt been here in the first place!!!
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So I'm an extremist? My 6 year old brother and my baby cousin are all extremists? You can't group everybody. It's like saying all atheists are murderers or something.
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You dont wanna blow people up?
I feel like blowin' people up.
Imma go join Al-queerda.
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No, I really don't. Sorry. Have fun.
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*points at Soviet Russia, an officially atheist country with many extremists*
As an atheist, even I know that isn't true. Nationalism is just as much at fault, if not more.
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Yeah, ok. That did sound a bit overreacted. I just meant in the perspective of religioun.
just saying. Without religioun = no al qaeda, no crusades, no witchburnings AND NO FAKEEN CHURCH TAXES!!
Of course Russia fucked up! It's Russia!
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Hey now, I'm part Russian. It has a history stretching back far before communism and modern times, you know. Russia isn't inherently stupid or evil.
Without religion, though, you probably still have the Holocaust (religious motives were there but honestly not very important, especially seeing as they saw Jews as more of a race than a religion), Balkan ethnic wars/genocides, quite a few other genocides, Communism (as stated), and a number of other nasty things. Religion brings out the best and worst of humanity. Generally the worst, but even then it's just one outlet. Hateful people will find an outlet regardless.
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Ok, that was a little rude of me, im sorry, but by no regards of the past, nothing is as it used to be. At present Russia is just scary.
Yeah, there will always be war, with or without religion. Im not sure the holocaust would be exactly the same, but Hitler would still conquer most of Europe, no question.
But im quite sure that crusades and genocide would be impossible without the fictional beliefs.
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We're human sir. Β We're a violent species. Β We'd just find something else to fight about. Β Amirite?
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Well, yeah..
We strive on conflict.
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Apology accepted. I agree, modern Russia is definitely scary. @_@
The Crusades might have not happened, at least not to the extent that they did. The primary motivation for those NOT at the top was religion, so you have a point (at the top of the pyramid of power, it was mostly politics). And I still think most genocides would have occurred without religion. Most genocides had more to do with ethnic groups than straight-up religion; remember that although ethnicity can include religion, it is not the only factor. I also think that many of the atrocities in our history that have occurred that used religion as an excuse just as easily could have used pure nationalism. Perhaps not as effectively, but still. Although really, it's hard to think how the entirety of history would have been affected if there was never any religion.
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Its like, all the videos on gore sites: Russian.
Well, bleh~
Opinions.
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It needs to go. Permanently.
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Why is that?
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My encounters with its followers have been exceptionally negative.
That and I have no respect for humanity.
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I know what you mean, but I'm sure those people would be dicks even if they weren't religious. Β Would they?
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