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gameman5804 — In Defense of Infinite
Published: 2017-12-18 22:22:34 +0000 UTC; Views: 2678; Favourites: 26; Downloads: 0
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Note: THIS IS JUST MY OPINION!!!I'm just gonna say this now, I like Infinite. I like his design, and voice. Plus, I don't find how he was written to be all that bad. Compared to Mephiles, I just find him better over all. Hell, I'll even say that in terms of backstory.
Granted, Infinite's backstory could've been executed better, but I actually liked what they tried to do considering how a lot of villains are built up around this concept (Ex. Venom from Spiderman). His entire squad was destroyed by Shadow, who manages to kick Infinite's ass. Shadow pretty much tells him to "fuck off," leaving Infinite raging. This is why everyone hates Infinite alone since it feels poorly executed, and I made fun of it to... I wont lie there. But think about it, his entire squad was annihilated and was humiliated by Shadow. The fact that he couldn't enact some revenge alone made him crave for more power, hence the Phantom Ruby.
My problem with Mephiles though isn't so much his backstory though, but rather his plan. Some made the argument that Mephiles killed Sonic, so he's better, and while that Infinite could've killed Sonic at the Luminous Forest, there are three problems with this argument.
1.) If he wanted to make Princess Elise cry just to release Iblis, then why doesn't he just do it himself? Taking words from Clement's Review, just push her down a flight of stairs or better yet, just kill her. For one, he'd be doing the world a favor if he did, and two, if Elise dying on the Egg Carrier Crashing releases Iblis, Information that he already knew, why doesn't he do just that? It would give him a better reason to kill Sonic.
2.) If Mephiles could kill Sonic that easily, why doesn't he just do that from the start? This dude can Time Travel. In fact... Why bother targeting Elise to begin with?
3.) Mephilies can time travel and he could've joined with Iblis at any point when Iblis was out. I can see why he wouldn't pick the future considering how he needs Iblis in his purest form. What about when they both split in the past, or when Elise died on the Egg Carrier? All he would need is one Chaos Emerald and he'll merge with Iblis and become Solaris.
At least with Infinite, he actually puts his abilities to better use and manages to defeat Sonic in the beginning of Forces. He also manages to put Shadow in this Virtual Reality Trip, and considering how annoying that stage (Virtual Reality) is, I can see why he would think it would kill Shadow.
As far as preference goes, I like Infinite's design just for the mask and glitch effects alone, and I'll certainly take Liam O' Brian's performance over Dan Green's take on Mephiles any day of the week.
Infinite is by no mean's perfect, but I'll gladly take him over Mephiles.
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I can't blame you at all it's all Sega fault Blaze story is messed up.
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I agree on the part of Mephiles and Sonic 06's story. It had some good ideas, but it was executed poorly.
(Shadow being a GUN Soldier was AWESOME.)
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My main problem with Infinite is that his backstory in Episode Shadow seems to contradict the main campaign. The main campaign says that Eggman "CREATED" Infinite, and even Amy says that too in Eggman Empire Fortress with her quote of "What a lonely place to be brought into the world." That contradicts him being a hired assassin who bonded with the Phantom Ruby.
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Well, he technically did create Infinite by Eggman giving him the Phantom Ruby.
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Mephiles to me as more intimidating, both by his designs was very menacing even his personality. True his plan was absolutely flawed and dumb and his executions didn't sit well either and he looses points for that, but I still felt like he had a very defined evil presence that solidified him as the most evil villain in sonic games.
He kills the main character, didn't have to but did and he still remains to be the only villain to have done that, as far as I'm aware, sure the timeline now dictates that never happened still he had managed what all other villains had failed to do. Except it doesn't... why is Silver in Forces and in Generations I thought 06 never happened which only adds more questions.
Mephiles represents the most evil thing of Sonic's history both literally and figuratively, the game he's in is regarded as the worst game of all time by many and that will always be remembered for better or for worse.
By all means he won, he got what he wanted and he didn't face the consequences because he no lingered existed when he and Iblis became Solaris, He managed to have tricked others, killed Sonic, steal all of the chaos emeralds, take Iblis to finally become whole again as Solaris and he did all of this at the age of 10 years old.
Which begs the question... "Would Mephiles have developed common sense to make his evil plans work at the age of 10 or would have to mature for that?"
With Infinite I wasn't as threatened by his presence, I didn't feel like he was going surprise me, his overall design is absolutely menacing but what does he actually accomplish? Other than having a very intimidating look and having Liam O'brian as his voice actor which is always a plus in my mind.
But overall he didn't have that dramatic "Oh crap!" moment for me, for me it was a very disappointed "That was it?" moment.
I had expected Infinite to maybe have planned sparing the custom character that to use to maybe to betray Eggman or maybe force the custom character to be a mind controlled enemy for Sonic.
And I do hope he returns after his... disappearance (?) In his final fight with Sonic, he would just be wasted potential if he doesn't return.
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The fact that his plan alone was flawed is why I prefer Infinite over Mephiles. The ladder never needed to manipulate others just to get what he wants. As soon as he found out how Iblis was released, he could’ve just went to that point in time and just rejoin with him there. And don’t tell me that there was no date because Tails clearly finds it himself.
Manipulating others is common in these Time Travel stories, but that’s usually to either restore a timeline or change it for the better. Mephiles wants to destroy the world by consuming all of time and space, you’d think he’d jump on Iblis right away after finding out when he was released instead of manipulating Silver.
The only reason why he would stick around longer is to kill Shadow because he sealed him up. Though, it would’ve been more interesting to have him manipulate Silver to go after Shadow instead of Sonic.
In my opinion, looks aren’t everything, especially intimidating ones.
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Well what did you expect from a ten year old with the power of time travel?
The point is It's not a matter of whose plans are flawed or how they look, it's a matter of what acts do the villains do, to have an actual impact to the heroes and to grab your attention.
We are told that Infinite had Sonic tortured but we are not shown that, we are shown Mephiles killing Sonic so we're not being told that it happened, we clearly see it happening.
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I was under the impression that Eggman himself tortured Sonic himself rather than Infinite. Knuckles never said anyone in particular. Infinite was out on the world, proving to be Eggmans deadliest creation yet. At least Infinite actually beat Sonic to the point where everyone thought he was dead at the beginning of the game, instead of waiting till the last act just to easily impale him.
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Beating Sonic and making everyone think he was dead doesn't compare to actually killing Sonic with everyone actually seeing his lifeless body not much later, giving the impression that there is no hope.
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Like I said before, just because he actually killed Sonic doesn’t mean he’s automatically better. And because Forces Story is much easier to grasp than 06, I prefer Infinite. He actually uses his abilities more than Mephiles and the fact he was with Eggman makes him more tolerable in terms of writing.
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Mephiles stands out because he is memorable, he did things that people still remember to this day, think about it, would you have mentioned Mephiles in your meme if he wasn't at all memorable?
It doesn't change of how bad the writing is, which is true it is terrible, but if people still mention Mephiles to this day and is still hailed as the most evil villain in all of Sonic's games he obviously did something right.
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Well Infinite is more recent to. I’d give him a few years time to make the “memorable” comparison. Yes, Mephiles is memorable... but if it weren’t for the abomination of a script 06 had, I would’ve taken him over Infinite.
To me, Mephiles was memorable, not just for killing Sonic, but for being a dumbass, just like Sonic and Silver after Kingdom Valley. And it’s frustrating to watch. Infinite has his moments as well, but aside from not killing Sonic at the Luminous Forest, he doesn’t piss me off as much.
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Mephiles is twisted, manipulating others is a part of his nature, he gets enjoyment from it, once he merge with Iblis to become Solaris, the two well no longer exist, so why not have a little fun before the end goal, he also wanted to hurt and kill Shadow for sealing him up, he can't enjoy that if he Solaris.
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Wanting to kill Shadow, I can understand.
But here’s the problem, Mephiles is supposed to be a darker villain compared to Eggman, you would think he would want to not fool around and get his shit done. Plus, he was more joyful when he killed Sonic in one swoop, just making my second point more blatant.
To quote SomeCallMeJohnny’s review, “they did the whole, have Mephiles kill Sonic to make Elise cry plot just to be a dick. If that’s the case, then this Story shouldn’t exist in the first place. That’s a stupid plot!”
I agree with that quote because to me, it further justifies as to how much common sense is ignored.
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How is manipulating others to achieve your goals fooling around, and of course he was joyful when he kill sonic is goal was in his reach, what villain wouldn't be joyful after achieving victory, look there are many easier ways Mephiles could have achieve his goals, but he choose this one, why did he choose this one? because storytelling, if things when the way your asking it would go like this, Mephiles is freed from the specter, he goes into the future to discover what happen to Iblis, find out it was seal within Elise, go to the time where Iblis is about to be release and merged with to become Solaris and destroy time and space...... Wow... what a engaging story, Look i'm not trying to start comment war, i'm just give you an insight from an unbiased mind, your only thinking about why he doesn't do this, instead of why he can't do it, Like maybe Mephiles time travel ability aren't %100 accurate so he could teleport hours or days off, why did he have Silver kill Sonic if he could easily kill Sonic? maybe Mephiles didn't have enough power fight yet, or maybe he couldn't beat Sonic, Shadow beat him twice, and omega also beat him, he only kill Sonic because he distracted him in shot him in the back, if he fought Sonic one on one, Sonic would have beaten him. you see only of that could make sense, is it true? who knows, if the game doesn't fill up the blanks, it up to you, That's 'show but don't tell'
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What a depressing reality. At least Mephiles was entertaining with his stupid voice acting. The main reason he sucked so hard was because the game's legendarily awful writing just gives him nothing to do when he could do anything. Infinite does have better voice acting...and an actual backstory...but it's never fully realised. And...let's face it, there are a lot of people who just think Inny's backstory makes him pathetic. Which is KIND OF the point, but yeah, he just comes across as an official Coldsteel. He could have been so much more...
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People can say what they want about Infinite, but at least this guy did have a backstory, even if it wasn't executed as well as it should've.
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Same thing here.
I think Infinite still has a ton of potential and hope he shows up again.
Mephiles plan was honestly really stupid and only worked at first because the plot demanded it.
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I also like Infinite the Jackal. Sure his backstory isn't written in the best way, but he does have reasons (that the Sonic fans know) on why he needs to defeat Sonic.
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But both were a waste of potential. I like Infinite too, I hope comes back.
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In the end though, who’s less of a waste?
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I feel Mephiles is less of a waste. Partially because he does finish Sonic himself and because he works well enough as the villain for Shadow. They used him more to the potential he had, is what I'm saying. Infinite, well...that backstory could've been done way better. Or at leat presented better, actually have some substance to that fight with Shadow. And, well, Forces's story is a mess anyways, there's a lot more they could've done with his powers, I feel. With Mephiles they did most of what they could with him in '06.
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But like I said, if that dude can time travel, why does he want to kill Sonic? That seems more of an unnecessary and round-about plan.
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The implication is that it has to do with HOW Iblis was released, rather than when. Because he clearly can't fuse with Iblis in the future. Getting Silver to do it for him, THAT's the roundabout part.
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Plus, Mephiles didn't even work for Dr. Eggman, while Infinite did.
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