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Published: 2015-09-09 03:05:41 +0000 UTC; Views: 43066; Favourites: 170; Downloads: 107
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Well, I figure this is as good a time as any. One of my family members last year noted that my reasons for altering my protagonist from male to female was the beginning of a sort of slippery slope. I had done so because my story failed at the Bechtel Test (a guidelines to inclusion of female characters), and failed miserably so. There were only two females in the original story line, and when they spoke it was about the lead role. So, a few gender swaps later and we ended up with Gwen.At the same time, Marvel Comics was introducing Spider-Gwen to the world. Like my Gwen, she was blond and with super powers. It suddenly dawned on me that there was already an abundance of blonde, female super heroes. Who's going to notice another one?
Along the way, I've been in and seen discussion concerning civil liberty for blacks and other people of color here in the United States. It's something that is of interest and concern to me. So, I posed a similar question to myself from when I shifted the protagonist's gender from male to female. The original question was: Does the story require a male perspective? My answer at the time was no. The focus of the story was entirely on the question of being open about one's atheism. That does not require a male or female voice. It simply requires a voice. With the abundance of representation for male heroes, I felt a female would delightfully add to the mix.
So the new question became this: Does the story require a white perspective? Again, the answer was no. The only remaining constant that is required is that the hero start off as a closeted atheist. It didn't matter if the character was white, Hispanic, black, Asian, etc. It simply required a voice. So why not a black voice?
I decided to run this by a pair of my friends and associates who are neck deep in the BlackLivesMatter movement and get some input from them. One of their concerns was that I would write a stereotyped angry black woman ("I don't need no man!"). I told them that the change was merely cosmetic. Like the change from male to female, there would be a one to one transfer of lines and actions. It's essentially the same character (in fact, it is the same. The change is only cosmetic). So this version of Gwen is every bit as much an introvert as any other version of her or him. The character is still heavily based off of and influenced by events and actions that have taken place in my own life (albeit, allegorically exaggerated to give it excitement and flavor. I wish I had a suit of armor like Gwen's).
So, with all of that said and done, AraghenXD suggested I do a new transformation sequence for the Heretic. I decided to recreate the one from here:
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That thing has over 40,000 views. I'm hoping this one will do just as well.
Take care, and stay safe!
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jonking1 [2021-07-05 07:18:31 +0000 UTC]
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jonking1 [2021-07-05 07:16:06 +0000 UTC]
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Dinadan256 [2015-09-09 19:07:50 +0000 UTC]
I'm always weirded out by the great amount of attention US people pay to skin color. It's not like there are no problems where I live, one needs only to watch the news to see that Xenophobia is alive and well in Germany. It all just seems like drawing lines in the sand and separating one group from another, forcefully if necessary. As soon as one important character is Black or Hispanic or whatever, it's discussed like there is no tomorrow. Is it important? Does it make a difference? I don't get it.
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general-sci In reply to Dinadan256 [2015-09-09 20:44:01 +0000 UTC]
It really shouldn't matter, and that's the point. There's this interesting test where a child is presented a pair of dolls. The child is asked which doll is pretty, which doll is the bad doll, and which doll looks like the child itself. The results are often devastating. A black child will identify the white doll as the pretty one, the black doll as the bad one, and always knows that he or she looks like the black doll. This was a test conducted in the 40's, and it's still been testing true ever since.
With that said, inclusion (even if only fictional) has its benefits. There is a story of a young black girl who turned on the television in the 1960's and immediately had to call her mother to see what was on the screen. The daughter was showing the mother Lieutenant Uhuru of Star Trek, and to the little girl's surprise she wasn't serving tea. She was performing a job. For the first time, that little girl knew that she too didn't have to settle for only serving tea. She became an actress. Her name is Whoopi Goldberg.
With that said, there's still plenty of work to be done. Even if I never get published or reach a large audience, I'd like to know I contributed in some small part for correcting an ongoing problem.
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Dinadan256 In reply to general-sci [2015-09-09 22:09:28 +0000 UTC]
It shouldn't matter, but it does, even to you. Even those Americans that don't discriminate are keenly aware that a person is Black or Hispanic and treat them differently from 'white' people in many cases.Β And that's what I think is so strange.
Edited for more clarity
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general-sci In reply to Dinadan256 [2015-09-09 23:45:26 +0000 UTC]
What I find strange is that because I notice and take action against the problem suddenly makes me a part of the problem?
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Dinadan256 In reply to general-sci [2015-09-10 01:34:00 +0000 UTC]
Not what I mean, but I clearly come across as more accusingly than I want to.
Just because decent people treat people of other ethnicity differently does not make them part of the problem. Making an effort to distinguish yourself from assholes is not a failing. That you feel like you have to do so speaks a lot more of the extent of other people's failings.
I know intellectually why people do this. But when I'm confronted with an example, like with your explanation for the race-change, I'm still left confused.
For me it was clicking on the deviation, wanting to tell you that the picture shows how much you improved since your brown-haired Gwen version of it. Then I read your thoughts on it and I'm completely sidetracked, thinking more about the (to me) strange attitude towards race in the US, than about clear linework and a natural looking haircut for Gwen.
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MarshalAdmiralQ [2015-09-09 14:26:09 +0000 UTC]
DOn't listen to the black lives matter people. they are idiots following a lie.
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general-sci In reply to MarshalAdmiralQ [2015-09-09 14:37:53 +0000 UTC]
No matter your feelings toward the movement, these pair of friends of mine are active in discussing and critiquing how their race is portrayed in the media. There was a lot discussed over what worked and what didn't with this change up. The biggest concern that they had was if the character was going to be an angry stereotype.
Does this have anything to do with BLM? Does this have anything to do with discussing police brutality?
No. I'm making a comic book/novel. Β I have a character that is not required to be any specific race or gender. So why not go for one that is currently and regularly selected against?
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MarshalAdmiralQ In reply to general-sci [2015-09-10 03:59:35 +0000 UTC]
because that selection is based off i lie.
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general-sci In reply to MarshalAdmiralQ [2015-09-10 17:01:14 +0000 UTC]
No offense, but I'll take the two sources who cite their materials and can provide me first hand accounts over how they were treated over the word of a commentator that can't form coherent sentences on DeviantArt.Β
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MarshalAdmiralQ In reply to general-sci [2015-09-11 16:00:07 +0000 UTC]
Do they believe in the 'Hands up don't shoot." Lie? Or are they with those that chanted Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon?
Here's the key truth ALL lives matter. When a police shooting happens it should be investigated to find the truth. However this does not mean that police should be persacuted or killed while filling up their car.
Black Lives matter as a whole is only concern with blacks and ignore the racism they are causing. They are easy becoming the black KKK. Do your friends really want to belong to such a group?
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general-sci In reply to MarshalAdmiralQ [2015-09-11 17:48:23 +0000 UTC]
You know, I've decided to let you have it.
The reason why the movement is called Black Lives Matter is because it is seemingly clear that our law enforcement does not think so. Saying 'Black Lives Matter' is not the same as saying 'Only Black Lives Matter' or 'White Lives Don't Matter' or 'No Lives Matter' or whatever else defensive whites can glean in an effort to take offense to a people simply asking not to be shot when they are unarmed. To react in this way is to display either a sense of narcissism or a fear of a massive retribution for the crimes committed by ancestors long ago. Neither of these outcomes make any sense.
Here I am, a white male, who has never felt threatened or insulted by the prospect of spreading civil liberty and justice. Do I agree with everything Black Lives Matter says? No. If I did, I would be a mindless drone. Heck, there are discussions that take place within every movement to make sure it stays on topic to the most desirable outcome (in this case, reducing the chances of being shot for no reason).
Let me fill you in on a story about myself. Four years ago I got into a heated argument about homosexual rights. The man on the other end of the internet argument became infuriated and actually obtained my personal information. He threatened to drive over to my home and bash in my skull. He wanted to hear me scream as he drove a crow bar across my jaw. All of this was because he confused me for a homosexual.
I was terrified. I was defensive. I walled up in my room with a weapon, fearing for the safety of my family (people he was also threatening). After a call to the police, and several hours later, the aggressor was made to calm down. But I came away with a valuable lesson. I only spent 24 hrs 'being gay', and in that time I was threatened with physical threats of violence against myself and my family. Then it occurred to me: I only had to spend one day gay. There are people that are gay for their entire lives.
Your ongoing insistence that this decision to alter Gwen's bio to be black, one without artificially induced straight hair no less, is a mistake based upon you misconceptions of a civil rights movement is only giving me a half hour experience of what it means to be a black woman. I only have to be a black woman for a half hour a day while there are millions of people that get to be black women for their entire lives having to put up with sniveling pukes like you. I have to say: I'm fucking angry. I can't even begin to imagine what it's like for my pair of friends.
Empathy. Please try to learn it.Β
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MarshalAdmiralQ In reply to general-sci [2015-09-12 02:23:31 +0000 UTC]
it's not the changing of the character though I bummed by that. It's the reason for the change. I don't like or trust Black Lives Matter. If you change a charater it shouldn't be for the reasons stated.
That guy that attacked you. He is like many examples I have heard of the BLM groups One group even booed when a politican said all lives matter.
You know who cares less of black lives? blacks. many black people have died inΒ I think either Chicago or Detroit. Again if a cop shoots someone it should be investigate but the cops live should not be ruined when he or she is proven justified. BLM is not the group to be with for that.
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BOH-Games In reply to general-sci [2015-09-09 15:43:31 +0000 UTC]
Then why not make her a race that isn't regularly portrayed such as Native American or some one from India?
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general-sci In reply to BOH-Games [2015-09-09 15:52:51 +0000 UTC]
All of those ethnicity choices got the 'why nots' as well. I must admit, I went with an ethnicity that I'm familiar with (I don't see Native Americans or people from India on a regular basis like I do for Hispanics or blacks).
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general-sci In reply to MegaScarletsteam [2015-09-09 13:57:29 +0000 UTC]
Yes. She's black.
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general-sci In reply to AraghenXD [2015-09-09 13:57:40 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very kindly!
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zeogold [2015-09-09 03:36:24 +0000 UTC]
you know that test has been debunked and any artist, writer or creative mind in any medium worth there salt ignore itΒ your original gwen was fine and she a good character and a good character relates to fans even if the fans themselves are not the same race or gender as the character. this girl is well designed maybe you can make her a friend of gwen or one of the other grafters
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general-sci In reply to zeogold [2015-09-09 06:48:08 +0000 UTC]
Strangely, this is very similar to what some people told me about swapping over from Arthur to Gwen. I think this stance is more related to what you were exposed to first. If I were to do this in the middle of an ongoing television series, I would (rightfully) be given hardship like no other. Heck, there are people that are still upset over the new Doctor on Doctor Who (and that's a show that lives off of remaking that character ever three or four years).
The thing is though, this is a work in progress. Ideas come and go, move and juke, and generally morph about until I find something that gels and sticks. So I feel free to make changes and alterations if I think it serves the story, or can appeal to untapped audiences.
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zeogold In reply to general-sci [2015-09-09 11:49:05 +0000 UTC]
I telling you this as someone who has seenΒ both arthur and gwen and as someone that has been in the same spot as you before, characters both can stand on there own with there own story lines they're good characters and if people only care about your O.C's race and gender and not the traits you gave them you don't want them as a audience been there done that
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MadMonger [2015-09-09 03:08:51 +0000 UTC]
*thumbs up*
I like the changes!
I've been trying to stick my nose in the Cosmic Horror genre myself.
It's cool to see that we're both trying new things.
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general-sci In reply to MadMonger [2015-09-09 03:11:48 +0000 UTC]
Anything to mix things up, right?
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general-sci In reply to SilverWolfJudge [2015-09-09 03:12:07 +0000 UTC]
You haven't seen the other two dozen attempts before I came to DeviantArt.
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SilverWolfJudge In reply to general-sci [2015-09-09 03:14:09 +0000 UTC]
We just need a fail montage of all the rejects
PUT IT ON AFV
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general-sci In reply to SilverWolfJudge [2015-09-09 03:18:05 +0000 UTC]
Yikes. That would be embarrassing (and painful) for me. That's like... Two dozen different Arthur versions, all of them get progressively more 'emo' for a while before finding a center.
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SilverWolfJudge In reply to general-sci [2015-09-09 03:26:00 +0000 UTC]
Nevermind then forgot what I just said.
o_o
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