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Published: 2015-05-18 12:28:59 +0000 UTC; Views: 2106; Favourites: 29; Downloads: 0
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some subtle changes...one of the things that WideFoot mentioned in his well-written critique was the lack of separation from the saucer and the engineering section. i did consider this at the design phase of the ship, but decided against a longer neck because of the ship overall size and the proportional size of the impulse deck. unlike a larger ship with would allow for extra bracing and support substructure in a taller connection between the two hulls, a longer neck in this case would have been the weakest point and area of greatest structural stress in the spaceframe.
nacelles are difference because they don't provide thrust in the traditional Newtonian sense and therefore, not the same kind of torque which requires heavy bracing. this did evolve in later Federation design with variable-angle warp field dynamics (i.e.: USS Voyager) which required stubbier and thicker struts for the nacelles, if only to contain the extra mechanical elements.
anyway, i have my own pet peeve of many starship designs that have the intakes for the Bussard collectors partially hidden behind the saucer section or other part of the hull. they are called "collectors" for a reason!
you can also see the beginning of texturing by the simple fill-in-the-blanks colouring of the RCS thrusters.
and remember to vote in the class-naming poll!
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A teeny tiny quip regarding what you said about the buzzard collectors in some designs being hidden behind the saucer section actually that still kind of works. From what I remember the reason for putting the collectors in a line with the saucer or at least very close, something which seem so have been completely forgotten in some designs, was to increase their efficiency. Something about how the warp field would pull gasses along the hull turning the saucer itself into something of a forced intake duct for the collectors. It's why most of the big ships have the nacelles, whether mounted above or below- with some glaring exceptions which were meant to be built on a budget and so didn't care much for the other stuff- that're so close to being in-line with the saucer.
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Also, being above the saucer section means less feathers.
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Sorry for taking so long to reply; I'd really meant to but then I got too busy and sorta forgot. I'd never actually known about Roddenberry's rules so thank you for that wonderful piece of information. All I'd ever known about was what I'd heard from various sources about the rules of warp field dynamics which try to explain why starships are built the way they are.
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there are the four rules of starship design laid down by Roddenberry himself: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/art…
of course, Andrew Probert said that these rules are unofficial, but i have tried to follow them in my own designs.
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Heeey! Why aren't you posting the ortho rear view no more? heh Have a banana. heh
I'm not sure I agree with the deflector dish needing to be bigger, I don't think I even see a noteworthy difference...
As to the nacelles, I noticed they were narrow, but they were pretty narrow in TMP and you said you were going for a styles between TMP and TOS, soooo... Meh. They look accurate either way. Not saying I liked the narrow nacelles in TMP, I thought those looked too narrow there too, but they didn't call me up when they were making the movie.
As to rounded corners for windows, this is a simple engineering practice that should have been put into TOS. I don't know if they were, and there were some things that didn't make it into the series that should have. I make allowances for such things that run against logic and common practice. It's a simple practice that was implemented on the Titanic, just to show how long ago the practice was used. Just saying.
If I remember correctly, and that happens less nowadays, I think they used ships about this size (in the original untouched series) in the war games with the new Daystrom computer. I could look that episode up on the internet, but I am being very McCoy-ish lately. I think it had two constitution class vessels and two smaller class vessels.
By the way, if I remember my offline official TOS blueprints correctly (back then we didn't have personal computers let alone the internet), Star Trek ships used "long tons" not "gross tons" to describe tonnage, much as they do for sea ships. Metric or imperial, both systems use "long tons" to describe the greater weights. I remember reading "gross tons" somewhere in your last post.
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i agree that in TMP, the nacelles were narrower, but looking back i did make mine a little TOO narrow, so it be fixed!
the dish size is pretty subtle, but i honestly think the ship is better for it.
the war games episode had the Enterprise, with the M-5 running the show, go up against other Constitution-class vessels.
and since i am Canadian, i'm going with metric tonnes.
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As you like, it's your work after all so the only person you have to appease is yourself.
Are you saying that the M5 went up against ONLY constitution class vessels??? Don't make me break out my TOS collection... meh. I might as well. edit: okay, I forgot I had the edited version of TOS. In the untouched version that I remember, there was a screen shot of 4 vessels, two in the opposed corners were constitution class vessels and the "Excalibur" was a constitution class vessel (captained by Commodore Wesley), but the other two vessels were half-sized.
well, in ship building (ocean going vessels), gross tons describes volume weight opposed to ship weight. Aside from maybe tankers, all ships commonly use long tons to describe a vessel, and tonnes and long tons are virtually identical, as far as I recall, in shipping, even metric built ships still describe a vessel in long tons.
...and out of curiosity, how do you pronounce "tonnes?" Is it tone-s, toe-nes or tahn-s? If it is still pronounced as tons, then that might be why 'long tons' are used in shipbuilding...
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Okay, we were wrong and you were right about the deflector. The bigger deflector makes your ship look much more aggressive, which makes sense with regards to it's purpose.
But, I think my favorite change is the addition of the eggs with dots hiding under the cowl just aft of the nacelle strut bases.
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Q came by dressed as the Easter Bunny...and, well...one thing led to another....
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I really like the subtle asymmetrical detail on the top rear section of the saucer, near the impulse engines.
I hope you are going to go further with the interior and show cut-aways/deck elevations.
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thanks! i was inspired by the detail of the aft-facing hull between the impulse drives on the Enterprise refit.
i don't think i will do 3D interior cutaways, but i have already started on the LCARS for this ship, similar to my previous ones...
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The wider nacelles do look better with regards to proprortions, the rounded windows look better too as they fit in more with old/current designs 
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