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hippo2 In reply to kni9t121 [2014-02-22 08:13:43 +0000 UTC]

The bad guy gets what he deserved. Unfortunately, now we have an evil genie going around. We will see Gregorios again soon.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-17 08:39:33 +0000 UTC]

Martha slowly loosing her humanity is one big storyline of my stories. In recent stories, Martha began to cling more to her humanity.
In "Genie Relations", Martha is taught a lesson in how to use her powers more responsibly. [link]
In "Martha, the family maker", the story takes a turn in the very direction you proposed. [link]
I can tell you that Martha will follow the advice given by David in the second chapter of "Family Maker" soon.

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-17 14:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Finally finished all stories.
Nice. She tried to be a better person and as a proof she take lives of two people just because they cheating on a girl. David offer her help with undo her evil wishes and she didn´t try to turn back this flower girl, or anyone else. And if they mind adapt to new form, it could adapt again. Amelia was just a mouse, regular mouse and she´s doing great as human. She just don´t care of their lives, or lives of their families. It would be nice to see as she explain to someone that it is better that his wife, sister, or mother stay as object, or animal, because she don´t care and don´t want to try.
As she said herself, she don´t see them as human any more once she transformed them and she likes it. Only two years of being djinn though lots of time spending with humans and she acted like alien and judging everyone on base of few bad persons. Yes, she think about it, but just because of her brother, not becasue she has it in her heart and yes she reproach Alex for chinchila but still didn´t try udno her own mistakes, look for consequences like with Sheryl, or try to punish someone who really deserves it, like rapist and so.

Of course she is better person than Sami (real evil creature), who turn a boy to animal just because he want to avoid war, and she did some good like with Ivanna, but she simply isnt as good person as she think of herself. And while you announce that this will be end of story, she don´t have time trying to finish loose ends those poor people ir to change herself. Pity, there is potential for more stories.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-17 19:00:12 +0000 UTC]

Great analysis you did. I think you described Martha's character quite well here. I try to depict the djinn as something completely strange and alien. It seems this worked well. I just wonder: Who's the rapist you refer to? I don't remember having such a crime in the stories.

And about Sheryl, Martha didn't turn her into a pair of earrings, Sami did. Martha doesn't even know the earrings used to be human. It's difficult to blame Martha for Sheryl's fate, though she could have investigated the earrings origin. But she didn't, mostly because the earrings were a gift by Sami.

About Martha not trying to save the victims of her wishes: You might think that a lot of time has passed since I posted the stories. This is true on the one hand, since I count the years that Martha spend since she turned into a genie. But on the other hand, a story often covers span of a few day, sometimes even only a few hours, but it is posted over the span of four to eight weeks.

Still, there are several stories comming. I have planned to tie some loose ends. Now I'd like to know: Which victims of Martha would you like to see changed back, if Martha will retain her humanity?

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-18 00:08:39 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I understand that djinns are different, alienate but Martha was human longer than she is genie. She remember her life even when she try not to think of it often and she lived a life of human in a world where she must meet good and bad people, she had her feelings and dreams and that wasn´t changed. It is more like she is just intoxicated with djinn power. She start twisted wishes on her own, even when the first wishes weren´t so horrible, she could make lesser punishment. If she wasn´t bound to her lamp as slave and was free with full genie powers, maybe she will be as evil as some of her masters. Sami told her that she could be human again if she made djinn of someone else and she could easily manipulated someone to such wish, but she told him she likes it (btw she made two more genies after the first, and nothing happened). She don´t want to give up her powers even when there is price in form of slavery to bottle. She basically give up her humanity, her family (before she meet her brother, by accident) everything that she could be just to maintain her magic. And as many villains, she think of herself as victim and a good person. As often happens in comics for example, many villains become villains after they received some powers and they don´t want give them up, even if they weren´t bad before. On the other hand, super heroes also had some powers, but they can reject them if they influenced them, or they used them for good.

No specific rapist, I mean it in general as that there are really bad people, like rapist, murderers, etc, who deserve that something bad happened to them and if they disappear from earth, earth will be a better place without them.

And Martha killed many people just because they were stupid. Directly she killed only Alexis. But with others it is same. When she remembered to her old boyfriend, she realize that as a frog he is probably dead also. And anyway, transformation is still killing. There is no difference in being object, or dead. For their family and friends, they are dead. They don´t know what happened to them, where they are, they aren´t with them, can´t visit them, can´t hope that they will be maybe once reunited, same as if they are dead. And for transformed people it is same. They simply don´t live anymore. They can´t take lesson from their punishment, they aren´t and never will be again. They can´t do nothing; never will do nothing for themselves, or anybody else. It is same as bullet through brain, just without mess. And if they are transformed to animals, it is same. As you define in story, they mind adapt to animal, so they are gone.Gone=dead, just body of animal remains. And as in some other stories with transformations, when animal had still their human mind, it is prison same as coma, almost same as being dead. Just thinking about what they lost, with ability to move and eat.
I am for punishment, but not killing, or like killing. By writing this, I remember movie God Bless America. I agree with many things there that they are stupid, selfish and unmoral and that they deserve punishment, but not kill, more like breaking legs, forced imprisonment, or something like that – in that movie, because there is no magic With genie power surely some transformation, but then transform them back to see if they learn their lesson. Of course some people are stupid and didn´t learn, but if someone spends a year as a dog for example with his human mind, there is big chance that he will learn his lesson. And with innocent people it isn´t punishment, just murder, same as any other human murder crime.

With Sheryl, yes, she didn´t turn her into earrings but when she talk with her brother, she decided to ask Sami about Sheryl fate and then she just let it be. She simply didn´t care about anyone with exception her friends. Something like a mafia Good person would care. Bad didn´t, as Svetlana; maids she changed into cleaning utensils have no chance for life since no one know about them and they are dead in full sense of the word for them and everyone else.
Yes, it isn´t very long since she decided to try to be a better, but from story it seems like it is few months and that is a lot of time to try to do something.

Hard to say who should be saved, especially when we don´t know those people. For example Sylvia: Is she hard working single mom looking after her little kid, involve in charity for sick and is helpful to all people around her, or is she some bitch who cheating on her husband, killed someone in car accident and left crime scene and stealing money from her employer?
About Sheryl we know just that she was a kid who fought with her brother, as is usual with most siblings. She has bad luck to run into devil Sami with childish, harmless wish, instead of Martha. And with Martha, she knew that she disappear, she think it is because of her magic meant for Max and Amy. Sheryl wasn´t even part of that wish and when Martha think, that she changed her history, she didn´t care if she made her orphan, or put her to some abusive family, or what, she just accepted that she could change someone life without even wish relative to that person. But also Max is really jerk when he didn´t care about his own sister. He could ask some friend to make a wish for her. And later Martha made him forget about Sherly by Amy´s wish.
Roisin is also unknown. One broken arm against loosing job, 9 months in mental institute and trapped in bottle isn´t so hard. But hard revenge, OK, deserving some punishment, and that Saoirse must play on Roisn was brilliant, but again, as permanent it isn’t punishment to make them better people, just revenge of two genies.
Same with all other, mouse, bunnies, etc., we don´t know them, so is hard to decide who will deserve rescue. Probably Sheryl, she isn´t just dead, but also forgotten.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-19 18:08:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, Martha is learly intoxicated by her power. And she's giving up a lot to keep them. She did really bad things, like killing Alex, the gold digger. But then, her encounter with her brother might proof to be a turning point. Most important will be that Martha sorts out the mess she left behind. There are three victims of her magic that are close by: Marcel and Susanne, the pair of bunnies, and Sylvia, the palm tree. Martha will deal with them in a soon coming story and it will have a great impact on the outcome of her stories.
So there's still the question of who deserves to be turned back and who doesn't. You said it depends on what kind of person the victims of Martha's magic are. Are they good people or are they bad people. Since we don't know, there's only one question: Do Martha's victims generally deserve to be turned back? Basically, there are two categories of victims: Punishments for evil masters and victims of Martha's temper.
The punishments are the consequences of the master's evil deeds we know about: Franziska, the cat-burglar, transformed the guard and then killed him. That's murder and being transformed into a statue or a cat is a fitting punishment.
Gregorios made evil wishes against Sylvia and Bernard. He deserves his punishment too.
Alexis, the gold digger, abused her wishes too, to make David her slave. Maybe being turned into a cookie and being eaten is a bit harsh, but it can't be undone anyway.
Also the other punishments are the result of evil deeds Martha knew about.

That leaves us with innocent victims of Martha. If the transformation was the result of an evil wish Martha was forced to grant, she might try to undo what she had done. Maybe she will be too late, maybe she can do something about her victims. Anyway, she should start with the closest victims, which are Sylvia, Marcel and Susanne.


Now what about the people, who were transformed into other humans or genies? Earlier you wrote that transforming a person into an animal or an object is like murder, since their mind will adapt. But what about the people who are still people? Amy was turned into a teenager and her mind adopted. Her original mind is now gone too. Same with Donan or Frida, who are now children in mind too. What about Stephan who became a woman in body and mind? His original self is gone now too. Is that murder as well?

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-20 20:26:54 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I think they generally deserve to be turned back (maybe without Franziska and Gregorious). From your previous question I think that I can select just one. And in such situation everybody will probably choose the one with most impact on their surroundings. And while others probably have some empty graves for their families, no one remembers Sheryl except Martha and Sammi, it seems too harsh so I mentioned her. But if I know all of them, don´t know who I will choose, if I can choose just one.
But if she is able to recover her humanity and realize that she was also selfish, like you suggested, she can be good fairy instead of bad genie.

Gregorious and Franziska, yes they deserve it. But if Franziska loose her mind, so she is dead, she don´t suffer and don´t feel the punishment (like the dog of Sylvia, he can´t learn his lesson in manners, but that is Sylvias victim, like the three maids), instead of Gregorious. And Alexis crime was smallest from these three (both of them killed, she didn´t) and she was killed instantly without chance of resurrection. For gold digger best punishment will be poverty. For Franziska keeping her mind in cat body. Gregorious has fitting punishment. Roisin probably should have it time limited.
It looks like graduation of Martha’s contempt of human beings. With some masters she thinks about twist their wish even before they make wishes. Without intervention of her friends, she could end up like Sami. He is just killer, nothing more. Because big breasts, earrings or avoiding a war aren´t bad things, they didn´t abuse nothing, harm no one. First two are selfish, but harmful, even stupid, they could ask for lot more, money, power, but they just ask for trivial things.

And with innocent victims, yes again, that´s what I was talking before. I know that she was forced to grand wishes to some of her victims. But David offered her help with wishes to help victim. She could even ask her other friends to wish for them. With Sylvia you are right. She is close. Martha seeing her every day and never thinks about her.
She was 19 when she become genie, so she wasn´t some kid which take new powers as a toy. So she must have it in herself, some dark part of herself which like power over others and other killers like Sami. She wasn´t some hideous monster from swamp ashamed before her family, she could contact them on her own or through her friends and live with them, grant them wishes, make their lives better and so her own. So when she wasn’t missing her family, it tells us something about her.

For people changed into another people: Maybe I misunderstand it. I thought that their mind adapt just to helped them adjust to their new lives. Like with children that they will accept that they must again respect other adults and are willing to play with other children, etc, but that they are still the same persons. With Stephania the same. She was willing to tell her boyfriend about her previous life as a man, so I think that she just adapt by herself, because you stated that genie can´t affect someone mind and freewill, so I thought that she is happier as a woman and accept it willingly, but that she remembers her previous life.
If they are completely different, completely someone else, then yes, it is also murder. Take look at Amelia created from mouse, or that girl who Martha created from books and hair. She created new life and if these children are new persons, then it is new life in transformed body of someone else. Like body snatchers It isn´t even punishment, or abusing because again, they don´t know it, they aren´t there, they are dead, gone. If we don´t speak about souls, then mind and memories is what makes us ourselves. From your own experiences and memories you make decisions and from them raise your hopes, fears and dreams and then fulfill or avoid them by your free will. It makes you the person who you are.
Just try to imagine it from your perspective as a victim, or as a relative of victim.

Other genies, Gregorious, Alex and that girl at comics con, they are themselves, same as Martha so it isn´t killing, just punishment (Gregorious), gift (Alex) or burden (that girl), but they can be freed by their masters, or by creating new genies, or become human again.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-20 21:42:19 +0000 UTC]

First, you should know a bit about how I write these stories. Since I started the series, I wrote one or two stories and then began to drawn the pictures. When I wrote the first stories ("Magic Lamp" to "Day at the beach"), I had no clear plan where this story should lead to. With "The Masterpiece" and "Broken Bonds" I established the first recurring supporting characters (Stefania and Tony, Sami, Svetlana and Gregorios) as well as the main setting of the story (the hotel). When I wrote "Her worst Nightmare" I already developed the basic ideas for the final story as well as how this story should loosely go: Martha will be tempted by her powers and turn more and more into a genie. Some details, like David and Amelia or the endgame had been added later.

Unfortunately, the way I write the stories create some plot holes and some rules have not been defined clearly enough. I'm aware of that and I'm not happy about it. But I have to deal with it. The adaption of the mind is one of these points: I imagined that the memories of transformed person are still intact inside the new boy. A victim that was transformed into a human (transgendered, age-reduced etc.) even keeps most of their mannerisms. Frida for example has now the mind of child very similar to the mind she had when she was six years old for the first time. But her personality will develop further as Frida grows up again and it might be a different personality then she had when she appeared in the story. Stefan's mind changed into what could be his mind if Stefan was born a girl to begin with. Still both keep their memories.
The transformed animals are different: If we look at Amelia, she started with the knowledge necessary to do her job as maid. But her personality was really underdeveloped at the beginning. She was very shy and naive, but her personality developed further. Amelia's personality went through some evolution during the course of the stories. Of course she still got all her memories of being a mouse.
If we look at a person who was transformed into an animal, like the banker into a dog, it's of course the inverse development. His mind degenerates into the mind of a dog: Instincts take over, he accepts Amelia as the alpha-animal and submits to her. If you read "Jinn without magic", you can see this development very clearly. There are still some parts of his original personality left, but the dog is dominant.
About the transformed objects, I haven't really decided yet. We haven't learned about the actual state of mind of a person transformed into an object yet. All we know is what Sami told us about. Either, the transformed object keeps its mind or the mind kind of shuts down. It's as if the mind goes into some kind of stasis. If the object keeps the mind, the personality is simply back after the object is turned back into a human.
If we assume that the mind adapts and shuts down, it will definitely adjust again after the object is turned back into a human. After a while, there will be a human mind inside the human body again. And thanks to the memories of the former life still intact, the new personality will have some resemblance to the former personality (though not necessarily being identical). The tragedy might be that Martha doesn't know this fact.

We can even see the changes of Martha's personality as a process of adaption. You are right that Martha already had already a lust for power inside her. And after being turned into a genie, her mind adopted. She accepted that she was different from other humans now. She learned that humans abused the powers of a wish. When these changes in personality met the bad traits of Martha's original personality (her anger, her hidden lust for power), these traits multiplied.
I don't like goody-two-shoe characters. All humans have dark sides and vices. And it's a constant fight not to succumb to these dark sides. For Martha, this fight became more difficult since she was intoxicated by her genie powers. When she effectively killed Alexis, she had nearly lost this fight. But thanks to her brother's intervention, Martha has turned the wheel again. She's still in danger of becoming an evil genie. But now, she has the chance to learn how to use her powers responsibly. You wrote, that you don't see much development yet. It's true that I didn't move the story much into that direction yet. But please be patient. I'm currently writing the next story.

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-27 00:08:55 +0000 UTC]

I don´t understand if you want to write her stories why to finish them if you feel you have more to tell. I thought that dreamy holyday is final story, thats why I considered it as insufficient ending regarding things we speak about. If you plan few more as finishing act, that something different. And of course free time is biggest factor which dictate what we can do. I see it on my own writing.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-27 14:30:48 +0000 UTC]

Over the last months, I more and more often hit a writers block. I know, when I'm very occupied by my job (which happens two or three times per year), I can't finde the right mood to write or draw. Then I have to force my self to work on the story or the pictures and the result is often not satisfying. I faced such situation too often over the last months. I just got the feeling that it would be better to give the story a good ending instead of let it run along forever. I might be forced to put the story on a hiatus or might use some corny tricks to keep the story alive.

Don't worry about me finishing the story too soon. I calculated that the story will be finished somewhen in summer.

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-26 22:26:59 +0000 UTC]

Looking forward to it.

Yes, my mistake, it was Gregorios.

I mean that teenage witch from your stories. I know, I saw some other works, also this you linked, so I didn´t mean it in general. Like vampires, in some stories they are good, in some are just senseless monsters.
Pictures and stories are different. If someone write one story, it doesn´t matter, some write one story about TG, TF, end of the world, etc. But repetitive stories about just TF act are strange and little shallow. And it seems that either they like killing, or they didn´t think about it at all (but then I don´t know how their perceive it). You started with simple story and then expand it and it develops into story of many things, which is good.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-26 23:00:21 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the praises.

Yeah, Grace is a very openminded characters as all characters by are. But Grace has a very strong group of friends who support her.
Martha has a more difficult group of friends. Sami isn't a good advisor to combine magic powers and living among humans. David is very reluctant about using magic. And Amelia is still finding her own place in the human world. As you said, maybe a character like Grace could help Matha find some balance. A new character might revive the story and might steer the story towards a certain direction.

The fans have different ideas about how Martha should develope. Some want to see her becoming a genie which keeps her humanity, some rather like her see doing TFs without any remorse, some might want to see her beome human again. With the endgame, I try to give all fans a developement they can like.
Of course, it will also mean the end of the complete story. But that's what I want. I'm doing the stories for three years now. Sometimes, I don't feel like continuing the story. I'd like to do other kind of art, more history comics for example. But my life currently doesn't give me much time. I feel urged to work on the Martha stories. And I don't think a hiatus will really change a thing. So I rather finish the story now and do something completely new afterwards.

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-26 20:37:16 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I admit that it is fresh start for her. Burdened only with knowledge that she is punished for something that some adult woman do and she even don´t know her. It is a fresh start for a new life, so it is still killing of adult Frida. I know, I still see it that way.

I am glad that you agree with me about this punishment thing. They will think, they will be forced to think about their actions and behaving, or maybe from observing they will reapprase their opinions.
And yes, it will be interesting if she met some relatives of her victims. Broken, or with life devastated because of missing of these transformed persons. It will be good if she see what Sami is like. Maybe if he twist some wish in undeserved, really horrible way (I´m still surprised that she didn´t find it horrible when he give cancer to Svetlans sister), which will be devastating for victim and relatives and if she see it all it could change her mind about friend Sami. And then she could realize taht witches and other her supernatural friends didn´t consider themselves above humans and meeting with relatives of victim could make her to see that she also became bad person/ genie.
It´s good to see some consequences. It seems that some people write short tranformation stories just for a pleasure of this act, of purely tranforming someone without any meaning, anything before or after.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-26 20:57:42 +0000 UTC]

I'm currently writing a story where Martha will see Sami with different eyes, although it might not look like that at the beginning of the story. This story will infact coincidently feature a lot of ideas you just mentioned. But I won't tell what it will be.

About the cancer given to Ivanna: That was Gregorios, not Sami. And Martha hates Gregorios.

About Witches not considering themselves above other humans: Have you ever met Princess Lucinda? [link] Compared to her, Martha is a saint.

I agree with your analysis about many TF stories. Some are really written to show a juicy TF scene and that's it. The first two or three Martha stories went a bit into that direction too. I simply didn't do the planning of my stories back then the way I do now. But meanwhile, I focus a lot on character developement. Having more recurring characters and a fixed setting alows you to do so. For Martha, things are in full swing now. Since I've currently finished the writing for the comming-up story and am planning the next story too, I can tell you that these stories will sure show a lot of character developement.

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Cultar In reply to hippo2 [2013-02-21 19:24:55 +0000 UTC]

You know, writer know how he want his characters to be, he has some ideas and he wrote them. But readers make their own impressions on characters from what their read. What I wrote before is how I see Martha from what I read about her, her actions and thinking.

And my description about transformation = killing is how I see these things in generally, applying on your story, other stories, movies, etc. Because of that I wrote also that I see it same way with transformations with intact human mind (for other this person is dead, from perspective of this person it is fate worse than death). I didn´t want to criticize your writing in this matter, just point out on something that in my opinion is a fact regarding transformation.

If you erase someone personality, then he is gone. What you describe with that dog, that he show some traits of his former personality, it seems more like echo of this personality. It will be otherwise if he was still himself, just developed some instincts of animal needed for survival, like a human find or developed some instinct and behavior patterns if he is in extreme situations in which he must live.
With Amelia it is different. She can have her mouse memories and some instincts (like when she was hiding from a cat), but she has also human education magically given to her and she choose what she want to do. She suppressed some of her urges and decides what she wants and how she wants it.
With Frida if she is herself at her six years, then frida at her 30 (or other, I don´t know how old she was) is dead. And even if this new Frida has memories of former six years old Frida, they aren´t same. She didn´t live with her biological parents in same surroundings and situations. So if person transformed in such way show some mannerism of former person, it is still creation of new life with inspiration of some traits of person which was killed, destroyed, erased.
And they wan´t it as punishment for her. If she was still herself, just in a body of six year old, try to imagine how big punishment it will be. She can´t tell anyboyde, because they will think that she is crazy. So she lost her parents, her family and friends, she lost everything she achieved in her life, lost all of her possessions and knew that she will have to tray again with everything what was before certainity for her. As she will grown up she will be herself, but will changed naturally due to new years of childhood, school, etc. If she is just similar person to adult Frida, it was capital punishment, Frida is gone and this is new Frida which develope her personality as a clean slate.

I agree that humans have light and dark side and I also don´t like simple, black and white characters. But if dilemma of good and evil is in some hard situations is more understandable, that in simple situations, where you aren´t under pressure and it is just on your decision. Except wishes she was forced to grant it was all her decision. Our actions and decisions define if we are good or bad, yes no one is 100% good or bad, but one side always prevailing and in big things is important how we decide.
She has lack of compassion to humans, she didn´t care whether their live or not. It is simply her choice; it has nothing to do with simple personality of her character.

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hippo2 In reply to Cultar [2013-02-22 19:58:49 +0000 UTC]

Your ideas about Frida are very interesting. I guess you are right that your solution would be more of a punishment.
Still she will remember what she did and also why she was turned into a kid again. For her it's a chance for a fresh start, you have to admit that.

Also, a temporally limited transformation would definitely be a punishment. Martha could transform an evil person for only a year but wouldn't tell him. Maybe she would tell him that if he learns his lesson, he will be turned back. If not, he will stay in his new form forever. A year in the body of a dog, object, little girl will make them think. Especially, since Martha is able to preserve the mind of a transformed person: Roisin, the transformed hap, still has her mind intact but is trapped inside the harp.
Why she doesn't preserve the mind of most of her victims is already explained by you and me: She doesn't care enough about other humans. Maybe Martha will change her ways when she finds out how she harmed not only her victims but also their relatives. Unfortunately, her teacher so far was a bad example - Sami.

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hippo2 In reply to Mallory36 [2013-02-02 20:01:01 +0000 UTC]

Gregory will become a really evil jinn. And he will cause a lot of trouble for Martha and her friends, as was shown in the most recent story. If you continue reading the stories, you will find out soon.

The consequences of transformations to the mind are quite frightening. Over time, the mind simply adapts to its new form. In Loraine's case, she simply stops thinking like a human. As a statue, she won't think at all. There are only her memories stored inside but that's it.
That's why I actually like other transformations more: Human to animal transformations are more interesting since the mind of the human will turn into the mind of the animal over time. And human to human transformations are even more important. We'll see how Stefania will adapt to her new form.

Btw: Keep looking for the transformed plant. She will appear in many stories.

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