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The old giant robot Jumbo lies alone in the bay of Metro City, forgotten and wasted. But Midori, Atom's school teacher, still remembers him as an old friend. Atom flies to him and searches for a hint of life in him.The old giant robot stays still when the new tiny robot listens to hear something.
It shows how much technology has evolved from Jumbo to Atom.
From 2003s series
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Oh, this is so good! And I remember this episode. Good episode.
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I copied it literally from the film-still of the episode #12. There's also a mistake I copied too. Nothing terrible.
And I learned a lot about the colors: they used few colors. Red and blu above all, and then grey, red and green.
It has been a bit difficult to not mix Atom outfit with Jumbo's shoulder. And I risked ten times and more, to make a terrible hole in the paper. It is not good paper, to tell you the truth. -_-
In the English version they cut the song: Midori sung it as a greeting to the great Jumbo, while in the English version she told him just few words.
Maybe the song is a bit embarassing and naive, but it has to be carved in the memory, expecially in Jumbo's. That memory will help a lot, indeed.
I found this scene very sweet: Atom is listening in this Iron-Giant head, hoping to find a hint of life or whatever it is. And Atom can understand machines' languages, so he found something tiny and ephemeral that may be just his imagination... I was not, it was all true.
That huge 'bot, all bolts and metal, could not be as smart as new ones, but he had a heart, and Atom found it.
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Oh, I see the issue since Atom and Jumbo are in the same color here. I say you pulled it off well.
Did they? I didn't watch the dubbed version of this episode. That dub seemed determined to suck out all the emotion and heart of this series and make it a generic action show, didn't they? Just what I needed. More reasons to hate the dub XD
It is a very sweet scene
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I started hating the dub version when I got some weird things in the last episodes, and in the fact the episodes about Uran were swapped.
It's very bad: an anime made about a self-conscious and autonomous robot, was twisted as he was an ordinary story, already seen 100 times. And they erased all the "boy" part: he is a kid, not only a powerful and marvelous machine. The story is about both those matters. They seem to be afraid to the very basic concept of "father and son" between Tenma - Atom and Ochanomizu - Atom, as it was something embarassing.
The episode about Jumbo wanted to give us a hint about a robot's heart: even an old model, not particularly smart as Jumbo, could have a memory, that would turn it in his former self.
The fact that a girl could sing a song to greet a robot was too much and they took it, betraying the very spirit of the anime.
It does not say "Hug your PC". But it is a message like: treat everything with care, because in some ways we're all made the same.
In Klaus's episode they erased the original song of the Opera Singer, and they substitued it with a music without words: what was the problem with Klaus's favorite song?
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Maybe the original authors had to economize with colors. But copying this film-still gave me lots of unexpected informations.
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I hated the dub from episode 1. Practically the moment Astro started talking and I heard that raspy voice full of sass and aggression and thought; "That's not my Atom."
They did. In fact, I saw a documentary where one of the people in charge of the dub actually claimed they wanted to "focus on Astro's hero side more than his child side." And I thought, "RIGHT THERE! That's what's wrong with this dub!"
What it was was that the American marketers wanted was an action series they could sell lots of toys to boys with like Pokemon or Yugioh and they didn't think boys wanted something "cute" or a story about a child and his two fathers or any of the heart behind it. So they tried to twist it into what they thought would be more "marketable." This is most likely why episodes like the first appearance of Atlas was bumped up to episode 3 and I think Pluto was bumped up to episode 10 despite the glaring consistency errors it caused. It got to the action packed "Astro fights big powerful robots" part of the show faster. AKA what they thought was the marketable part. They also tend to think kids are stupid and won't care or notice. It would depress you to know how often this happens to good, heart filled cartoons in America >_>
It ironic that they thought boys wouldn't like something so "cute" considering how many small, and cute cartoon animals are in Pokemon. Boys had no problem buying all those Pikachu toys despite how cute he is. Why'd they think this would be a problem for Atom?
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I had to see the series many time to get what was wrong with it -_- So hard headed I am...
I saw it twice in English, one in Spanish, one in Portoguese, one in Arabian, to get that it was twisted.
And it's a real damnation to erase the heart from a character 100% full of heart.
They did not need to: he's also powerful, he teaches lots of good things, his stories are good entertainment, the characters are interesting and the matter of a living machine is always a good start for reflections and debates.
Above all, it was a good cartoon, was ALREADY made to be good.
How much arrogance they have to think they cut and paste whatever they want?
And Mickey Mouse is not cute? They need to cut his ears or his nose, because they're too round?
Japanese cute stuff is not all made the same: if they don't see the difference, they can't do their job.
Our heads are filled of propaganda about how competitive their world is, but when we look carefully a bit, we see gross mistakes and coarse decisions. We see they did not get anything.
What do they want to teach, if they're the first ones who can't understand a message under a story?
And that's only a cartoon, after all. I wonder how many cuts you have to see on movies and series... ._.
I thought there was something wrong when I did not find any English dub for Merumo. I watched the whole series, and there wasn't anything too bad. Nothing our present kids did not already saw, and they are used to see such things showed in less delicate ways.
Sometimes Merumo seems a documentary!
Toys are made to be cute, even the monsters. I remember I liked the Skeletor toy, even if I did not want to play with it, because it was almost the same seen in the cartoon.
I hated those toys made of strange goo, green and slimy, but they were exceptions.
On which planet an ugly thing is better then a cute one?
Maybe Atom was that he's... too human!
You know that censor see bad things everywhere: maybe the fact Atom is a kid, and almost human, made him not easy to mark. Atom is a robot or a kid? They could not get he can be both; they stopped to "Thing or Being". And they chose the thing... easier to be sold. -_-
This way of thinking seems to be very Western... and I am not proud of it. Luckily I learned a lot from manga and anime, more then simple stories: drawings and some good pieces of culture.
That's why I don't feel at home where I am.
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Yeah, American marketers seem to think they need to make everything "tougher" if they're going to sell it to boys nowadays. I think it's ridiculous. But then, American cartoon and toy marketers have been idiots lately. It's no wonder such markets are suffering these days.
Yeah, I've noticed lately Mickey Mouse is sold to much younger kids. Like, preschoolers That's probably the only market they think is interested in such cute characters.
Yeah, for some reason a lot of marketers think boys want their toys and cartoons to be gross and ugly. That boys think gross things are cool. Maybe some do but I never did. There was a toy from Masters of the Universe called "The Slime Pit." You placed a figure in the pit chamber and let slime cover it. I never understood the appeal of dunking slime all over your nice toys but for some reason it was a big hit at the time :/ There were a lot of toys like toy balls with ugly monster faces that I hated but must've been a hit because they made them for a while.
Yeah, I grew up on Disney and similar things so I too did not grow an interest in such gross things. I think the closest to a gross cartoon I enjoyed watching was the Beetlejuice cartoon based on the Tim Burton movie. And occasionally Ren and Stimpy.
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This is another mistake: Mickey Mouse has got plenty of potential. He STILL has got, even if he's very old fashioned (every Country gives him a different name, that's testifies how old is he).
He can be put in every adventure, and he will always be himself; he's not only for kids. When we was kids, many adults used to read "Topolino" (Mickey Mouse's Italian name, and the name of a comic series, where you can find lot of stories by Italian authors, about Mickey, Donald and many Disney's characters).
From Topolino we learned lots of difficult words. We learned the basis of finance thanks to Scrooge McDuck. We could learn very different levels of irony... not only for kids.
For an example, there is a very old story, written in early 1980s. Uncle Scrooge is traveling in space with a ship invented by Gyro (Archimede, in Italy) he himself guides it to a faraway planet, where Scrooge discovered some precious minerals.
A Scrooge's rival, John Rockerduck, turns off the light of the whole city of Duckbourg (Paperopoli) so the leading signal from Gyro will not work anymore, and Scrooge (and all his nephews...) will be lost in space forever.
When the city is in total black out, we see what happens; in a lift-car, a man and a woman are alone.
The woman says: "And now what we're supposed to do?"
And the man: "Haven't you got a bit of imagination?"
Tell me if the lift scene was a childish one... and the older you become, the more you understand about those comics.
They were almost all well written and well thought, and the drawers were great. Each of them was reckognizable, and with a personal style.
Kids are not stupid: they discover, they try and they store all those things in their mind. Then they will put together all the pieces.
You haven't got to give them all homogenized and easy to swallow.
Ah-ah. I remember the Slime Pit, we saw many commercials about it, when we were kids. I always imagined a character covered in fur, like Grizzlor, under that thing: how could you wash it away from the poor monster, after the cruel game?
I know and agree: there aren't just cute things in the world. But if you try to watch an episode of AstroBoy, you'll see many characters with big noses, ugly faces, fat, slim etc. We're not watching the Winx, where all the characters just came out of a beauty farm. We're not watching an usual school-comedy, where the high school is just an excuse to expose new faces, new haircuts and new dresses.
Realism does not mean to put dirt on everything.
I've never seen the cartoon of Beetlejuice, just watched the movie... and the last time, few months ago.
I don't know Ren and Stimpy, but, to tell you the truth, I am always prevented with cartoon and comic style: if the style does not fit to me, I lose the main part of interest in it. With some exceptions, because cuteness, as realism, is not a religion or a dogma.
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Yes. Mickey Mouse and all his other characters were developed to have much potential and be a lot of different things. Unfortunately, some people can't see it this way :/
and yes, unfortunately too many people think kids are stupid and need to be spoon fed everything. This is probably why so many kids in America move from American cartoons to anime. Because animes may have a childish side to them sometimes, but they're still aware children can take more than people making American cartoons think they can.
Yes, the Sime Pit's instruction booklet did explicitly say that you should never use Grizzlor, or Moss Man, or Panthor in the Slime Pit for that reason XD
It's not really for realism, but for this assumption that boys like gross things so cartoons and toys for them should be gross.
Yeah, sometimes art styles can make it hard for me to sit and watch something. It took me a while to get into certain cartoons like Adventure Time and Phineas & Ferb for this reason. But they turned out to be really really good cartoons. In fact, even Atom's art style didn't hit me well right away. I didn't think it was bad, but it was very different from manga and anime as I knew it. It looked more like an old Popeye cartoon than an anime. But it was the character and stories that pulled me in. And now I actually DO like the art style.
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In saw this common idea in many movies, all American: all boys seem to love gross and disgusting things.
I once saw that movie where Robin Williams was a kid who grow up too fast, so when he was 11, he seemed to be 40 years old. When his schoolmates invite him in their tree-house, the first things they ask him is to show some GOOD noises.
And it seemed that this game lasted long for all the afternoon. As it was the most rewarding and intersting to do in a tree-house full of comics and games.
Maybe they laugh at it, but they don't laugh only at it. And not all kids are the same.
Not all girls love playing with Mom's high-heels, not all boys love dirt and mud.
They're not all monkeys, as someone says.
My brother never bought the Slime Pit: he did not like that thing. So I did not know that instructions said clearly it. But it was the first thing I thought.
There's here too "Adventure Time", and I avoided it as it was pest... you say it's good, but I don't feel attracted by it. There's something I can't bare about the style and about the main characters. And I think I already saw those adventures and heard their comic tricks 1000 time.
There's also something even in Tezuka's style. When I was a kid I did not like that Astro lost his feet when he took off. And in Princess Knight I could not see the long-nosed guy who always follows Zaffiro. I could overcome it a bit, when I started to know the spirit inside it. In Kimba I did not bear the heavy atmosphere of the story, but I can't remember any episode or style feature, just the Italian opening song.
I still see it old-fashioned and, in some cases, too much semplified. But those features aren't not so important, compared with all the rest.
I don't feel in the mood to do it with a new cartoon, to tell you the truth. Maybe someday, but not now.
It will be a problem when I will watch the 2015s version of AstroBoy, that Reboot all fans are expecting and fearing. The new style will be a problem and, above all, the new messages given to an icon as Atom is. Let's wait and see...
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I've heard of that movie. Never saw it though. Judging by the concept, I assumed it could only end tragically.Β
Yes, it's so hard for people to understand that children (and human beings in general) are not a hive mind. Not every boy wants to laugh at gross things or play with toy soldiers. Not every girl wants to dress up like a princess and play with Barbie dolls.
Ah, I see. Yeah, I didn't know this either until I read about it online from other He-Man fans that did own it. Even if I did like gross things I still wouldn't have wanted it and I doubt my parents would've bought it XD Even though I'm sure it washed off easily, I wouldn't have wanted to dunk slime all over my nice toys, I wouldn't have wanted the mess it could've made and I wouldn't have wanted to keep having to buy more slime to keep using it.Β
It's funny. the company that made the toy (Mattel) made practically the exact same playset in their Harry Potter line despite there not being anything like this in the Harry Potter books or movies. XD
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the only real difference was that you could get extra slime from other figures and that slime came in different colors unlike the He-Man one that I think only came in green.
Yes. Adventure Time has such a harsh art style. It works for the style of series it is but it was hard to get into.
I don't think I noticed the issue with the long nosed guy in Sapphire but I did notice how Astro's feet disappeared without his boots. Well, he seemed to lack toes anyway. Which is sad because in the 80s anime I thought he had cute toes XD Although even in the 80s anime they occasionally disappeared. It was probably simply easier to draw this way. Toes are pretty hard to draw.
Yeah, judging by the style I get the feeling the new Astro Boy reboot is going to be lighter in tone. I'm what they say; "cautiously optimistic" about it. Not sure how I'm going to like it butΒ since the last couple of big things attempted with him bombed,Β at this point the fact that someone wants to do anything with Astro Boy is aΒ big deal to me.
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Not really. But when he graduates and leaves high school, seems a grandpa for all his classmates.
It was a role based on Robin William's skills, it not pretended to be scientific or too serious. Not a great movie, but if you like Robin Williams...
Oh my... o.o Did... did they really do it? Poor Harry! Damn, I don't want my heroes, even common action figures or toys, tortured like that.
I would not put there any of Harry Potter's characters, even Voldemort himself! ._.
That could be fun for the evil brothers like Bart Simpson...
That slime thing seems to be a real must. Or maybe they already had a massive quantity of it stored, and they have to use it, someway. And, by the way, what the heck is it?
When those things were on our TV, there was also a line of changing-color model cars: put in the cool water or in hot water, and you'll see. Well, Dad would NEVER bought us those cars, or even the (horrible) changing-color Barbie swimsuits: he thought that could be dangerous or poisonous. So, we were sure about his opinion about the slime things like the Slime-Pit or the Teskior (Teschio means Skull; it was almost the same thing, but not made for torture your toys, just to scare you and the slime could glow in the dark).
Tezuka sometimes did not draw toes: in Toriton, the comic, Toriton is almost always in bare feet, and we can see the style changing, almost in every single page or scene. I know that if you do such a thing today, they will fire you at once. If your style is without toes, don't draw them, end of the line.
But I suppose he was already famous, or the style was too personal to be criticized like that.
He seemed to not have any precise and pre-ordered plot, like writers like Dumas, but less boring ^_^
This thing now is seen as pest. I had to hear my comic-course master in 2012 that I had to justify why the computers in my story were made big and old-fashioned, and why my story was put in a precise year like 2004. I answered, but my answer weren't good enough. I wrote the story in 2004, and in that period I had at home an old Windows98 and an XP, both still working, and sometimes together! That was great, and I imagined to connect them to redouble their power. I was not thinking about real computers, which don't work like that. But in my own story they do! So what was the problem?
If that guy met Tezuka or Jacovitti or another big comic author, he could let them down just for a stupid detail.
I thought Atom's legs was great, and the fact they seems rockets when he takes off still disturbs me a bit; in 2009s movie Astro does not change his feet's shape, and I liked it. But I always ask myself if he sees that those red boots are his legs and he can't show real feet, expecially when he is still Tobio.
1980s Atom had feet, according with the first episode. And tiny red shoes, that still wears when Cassie gives him her red boots. He pratically break them, to wear them and fly.
The 2003s version is a bit mysterious about it. They seem real boots, but they change their shape when Atom takes off.
And, well, the comic and the 1963s version were a complete mess ^_^' Sometimes all the boot disappeared, sometimes just his feet do... Ah ah. Maybe that time was more relaxed about those things.
I always loved Atom's shape, very cute as Mickey Mouse, but also strong, expecially if you look at his shoulders: you sense the "well-made" and reliable.
So I was sad he still was weak as a kid... in spite of his super-ness. And in some episodes, I felt as my hidden self was put under a spotlight: I remember the episode of Pura the Elephant; in Italian, Atom/Astroboy called the baby elephant "Simpatia" (Sympathy). A very childish name, and I thought I was the one who used those kind of names... stupid names, as my neighbours used to say. It shocked me a bit: he was a real kid after all! I knew that was not a simple cartoon.
I know there was a little experiment about AstroBoy in 1994. As I could get from the video comments and caption, they tried to color some of the 1963s episodes. I found just one of them, and it's incomplete. I hardly believe that was a 1963s episode, because I don't reckognize the style. There, Atom is too weak. Even in his worst days he could made more than to be punched in the face
It also tells about three guys who have the same story of the Fantastic Four: sent in the space, the Ministry and Ochanomizu himself thought they were lost. Instead they returned as 'freaks'. And they blame Ochanomizu for their fate. Atom obviously wants to protect him but...
This is the link and I wonder how this story ends. It seems to be under a massive lack of ideas. But the color things is good.
Astro Boy 1994 (incompleto)
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I had assumed the concept would be him dying before getting to finish school but him getting out of school so old he probably won't be doing much afterwards is pretty sad too
I know. I could never get into the idea of pouring slime all over my nice toys either. (Or making the mess it would cause) I think the slime washed off real easily as long as you didn't use any of the more fuzzy figures but I still didn't like the idea.
I think it was popular in the He-Man line. Don't know if it worked in the Harry Potter line though.
Ugh, for some teachers any reason that doesn't prove that they're right is never good enough. Sometimes when you prove them wrong it just makes them angry. some of them anyway. And yeah, if he met Tezuka as an artist/writer just getting started, he probably would have some poor opinions of him.
I always thought Atom had cute legs. But I think every part of him his cute XD What confused me was that in the 80s series, he clearly is wearing regular boots but when he takes off, they turn into rockets along with his feet and done burn up O_o I assumed in the 2003 series they were just a part of him hence why they can transform into rockets.
Atom has a very Mouse Mouse look to him. I think Tezuka admitted that being an inspiration. They both even do the same thing where Mickey's ears and Atom's hair always point in the same direction no matter which direction they'refacing.
I saw some of the colored Atom. It was strange but cool. The worst thing I could say about it though is that Atom looked weird with blue eyes. I hear the only reason they stopped was because they couldn't aqquireΒ the rights to it which is pretty sad.
Atom didn't seem weak to me here but simply caught off gaurd. Like he wasn't expecting what he ended up fighting.
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That's cruel, yes. That's called Progeria, that means you get old too fast. It's a real disease, and I reckognized when I saw an episode of Dark Angel series; it was about one of the transgenic guys, and that girl, Brin, had the look of an old woman. But in the next episodes, they say they cured her. Is it curable?
I think that was just fiction, you can't reverse the time as a tape recorder. It was shocking, of course.
I saw some documents about 20 or 30 years old people, who still seem toddlers. And some of them, still have the mind of a baby. It's terrible.
Even in Fortuna's stories, she meets a boy who was not born as an experiment, like her, but he was "cured", and the result is he is very smart, far above the average, but the look of a 8 years old boy. And he's older than her, who is 15.
I always imagined this scenario, when I put together my brother and the Slime Pit: him taking my dolls, and torturing them "to death", making them dirty and sad forever. Luckily, my brother did not like that slime thing too. I was safe.
Even in Urasawa's "Pluto" we don't clearly see how Atom's rockets work. In Pluto, he totally resambles a boy, so his tiny feet don't desappear, but they hide that huge power. I would like to deepen that version of the story, but we hardly see Atom as we are used to: he's always totally dressed, and for obvious reasons. And he does not wear the famous red boots.
In the 2009s movie, we clearly see where "Bill" Tenma takes the parts for Astro's legs: two real rockets. So they're his legs. No feet, no toes and that's it. That means he can't wear shoes and when he goes to bed, he can't take them off. I suppose he cleans them every evening
Drawing Mickey Mouse and Atom together is enightening. But I also think that Tezuka saw a complete and uncut version of Collodi's book about Pinocchio's adventures. When I drew them together, they seemed to be brothers: their hair, with that strange V shape on their forehead, is almost the same.
I once sent you some picture taken from that old book I had, a 1950-60s edition, and that's where I took my own Pinocchio. It was stunning and moving, seeing how many things they have got in common. More than Disney's Pinocchio.
And of course, Mickey's ears and Atom's spikes turn gently, following their moves. It is a problem with 3 D and with live-action.
I always have been thinking it: if Leonardo Da Vinci's teacher forced him to do only sticks and rounds, he probably would not be a genius famous in the world. We call him Leonardo, everywhere is known as Da Vinci; but if his master stopped him with small things and tiny problems, it would be a disaster for his own career. No-one would know him and learn from his works.
Some love to say everyone can get the same result. I don't agree with this statement. To get the same result, you've got to start from the same point, and it means we're almost all the same. Or someone has got to help everyone to reach his 100%, when I start from 70, another from 20 and another from 90.
Putting us together, the 70s and the 90s would get bored soon, and the 90's great abilities will be wasted.
Old people want the world frozen, as they still were 20 years old. So they create barriers, obstacles, walls, to keep bothering young people out.
Blue eyes you say? Uhm... I saw his eyes as black. It happens very often in the comic, and sometimes even in 2003s series. Maybe it's just light... 
His eyes are blue only when he's charging his arm-cannon. But sometimes even Tenma, in 2003s series, shows a pair of sky-blue eyes. That's a mistake, no excuses. -_-
Maybe Atom was not really serious in that fight: they were humans, after all. I bet he regrets this regard, after he found himself some feet under the ground, asking where was the truck that hit him...
I saw those scenes a repetition of a worthless fight: the episode could be half long, and we could see how it ended, if they did not exaggerate with unuseful scenes.
Well, it's my opinion.
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That's a horrible disease 
the character Fortuna meets sounds like an interesting concept
Yeah, according tothe comics, the premise of the Slime Pit was that it was a torture device that once you were covered in the slime of turned you into a slave of The Evil Horde. I think the slime was easily washable as long as you didn't use any fuzzy or hairy figures but I didn't want it just the same.
LOL some things are probably best left as a mystery XD I always wondered if Atom in the movie first thought he was honestly Tobio and had no idea he was a robot, how was Tenma going to respond when he tried to take off his boots? XD
I can kind of see where you're going with that with Atom and Pinocchio.
I noticedthe ears and spikes thing was an issue in 3D. They managed to figure it out for Mickey in the last CGI cartoon "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse." I don't know if that airs in Italy but it's a preschool show featuring Mickey Mouse and his friends and there they figured out how to do that thing with his ears in CGI. They kind of had to. In the other CGI cartoon; "Mickey's twice upon a Christmas" they didn't do that and it just looked weird. We're so used to it the other way that trying to have Mickey without it doesn't look right. Atom has a similar issue though it didn't bother me as much watching his CGI movie.
I do sometimes wonder about this. Often the Artistic geniuses we love now for being the geniuses they were often were ridiculed for having such different art style or a different way of thinking. Today's classic forms of art are often yesterday's strange and new concept people don't get. Like how impressionst painters like Van Gosh weren't very appreciated in their time (in fact, the art style was heavily ridiculed) but it's now considered a classic form of painting. Tezuka was told his art style was too "cartoonish." Walt Disney was told no one would ever sit through a 90 minute cartoon, The Beatles were told they had no future in music, Dr. Seuss (The author of The Cat in The Hat and How the Grinch Stole Christmas) was rejected by over 30 publishers I think before he became famous. I think Davinchi was no different. This seems to be the normal path for the struggling artist with a new idea
Yeah, many do like to say; "Well, that's how I did it. You can do it that way too" but don't stop to think different people work in different ways. Some are late bloomers, some simply struggle harder, ect. There's a lot to consider
You can't see it as well there but I had found another colorized Astro Boy segment from the same person www.youtube.com/watch?v=psnNMR⦠and his eyes look pretty blue to me there XD
Yeah, sometimes errors just happen. Even in such great animations.
It is possible he held back because he still saw humans and robots aren't supposed to harm humans. Even though the law didn't have cosmically enhanced super humans in mind when it was written XD
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I asked myself a lot of questions about Astro and if he felt just weird or he knew that something had changed: he did not go to school anymore, we never see him eating but we see him taking a canned drink from that robot-fridge... and there are other good questions about, well, his own body. Yep, some of those things have to stay a mystery, of course, but in "Pluto" we know that human-shaped robots works the same way as humans. There was no mystery there, and we don't need anything else... apart seeing how Atom feet work: everytime he takes off, he burns his shoes, doesn't he?
In one of the last Doctor Who series, there's an episode involving Van Gogh himself. And I saw it lots of times; everytime I cry: look at where he lived, look at what he had to do to survive. And how he was treated. And now he's one of the best artists ever seen, museums and social networks show his paintings everywhere. Billion of gadgets and copies, and all the world reckognizes the style at sight.
I use to tell me that if something is good, it will succeed, in a way or another, sooner or later. For an artist, any artist, it means their works will be reckognized as good stuff only when they're dead. :-/
Some artists are famous just for the fact someone they know wanted them like that; their talent is common, they really make some scratch on a paper and tell the world this is the image of their own life. I hardly believe they're sincere, when they do lame things and show them as a new Giuseppina by Canova.
Another hand is when someone tells you that your drawing is simple and even a kid can do it. If I can answer directly, I say: "So, it's easy: take a pen, a piece of paper, and make it again, without mistakes. Take your time and remember that with the pen-ink you can't correct. Let's see if you can do the same."
I can do that, and I could do when I was a kid. Just me, not all people in the world.
I am not saying I am the new gift of God to mankind, but I don't stand people trivializing my work. I don't mean to be a guru. I want be... just me ^_^
Ah, I saw that odd opening. And, of course, Atom's eyes here are blue. Those blue eyes are Jetter Mars's, not Atom's. This is a mistake, but maybe they just tried their experiment with the first old cartoon they found. It seems they had no idea about the color of Atom's eyes.
Maybe he just did not expect a human could be so powerful. The same when I made him meet Fortuna: a story more or less like Princess Odette's. Fortuna is not strong as him, but her magnetic power, that makes her capable of fly and to express a strenght she does not really has, it's a problem for any robot.
I wonder about X-men and those powerful heroes: they're still humans but if they attack Atom, he has to defend himself, and to counter-attack, of course, if he does not want to be destroyed! ._.
That story seemed to be a good twist, though, with the scientist maltreating those powered astronauts. Maybe they were going to be no more enemies for Atom. They still wanted Ochanomizu's head, but maybe there was someone else to blame. Maybe that scientist himself.
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XD Movie Astro's boots appear to be part of his body so that's not a problem for him. Similar to 2003 Atom as well. It's 80s Atom I question the boots logic with as it's established he's actually wearing real boots XD
I saw that Doctor Who. It's such a good episode. And yes, so very sad at the same time that Van Gosh never had that recognition in life. yes, the more I learn about Van Gosh (and I've read up a bit on him) the more bad I feel for him
I've seen artists like this. Not to mention the kind that aren't really that great but their style is appealing to the masses.
Ugh, yeah. People trivializing our work is terrible. Especially when there's so much worse out there that does so much better.
And there are plenty of styles that look simple and childish but when you try to do it it's suddenly much harder than it looks. Like some of Van Gosh's works don't look very detailed but they're a lot harder to replicate than one would think.
It's possible they didn't do research and just assumed they were blue. If they hadn't seen the 80s series (and they did this in 1994 so it's possible they didn't) then it would've been pretty hard to know this for sure. Plus, I think since they were colorizing this they wanted it as bright and colorful as possible so they used blue in order to show that off.
That is a fascinating concept. If mutants like the X-Men would count as human if Atom fought them. In the X-Men's world, the mutants aren't really thought of highly. Similar to robots in Atom's world so I wouldn't be surprised if humans didn't count them as human.
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I see the old 1980s series with affection: it was the last time Tezuka himself put his very hands on his character. In fact, all the episodes are a compendium of all old 1963s episodes plus brand new ones, always between a more strict logic of the Commodore 64 's era and a memory of comic that was taken from the consciousness that was a cartoon after all. Some of those stories were already too old even for 1980s.
That was the series where Atom was clearly a machine: he could not cry or dream, he could swap his arms and legs with other robots, his eyes can turn in a blank gaze from a moment to another, dramatically revealing his own nature. But it was also the natural evolution of the 1963s series, where robot-bombs danced, where Atom imitated a camel and played the corrida with the morphing robot on the Cruciform Island.
In this logic-non logic/iper-real and cartoon, his boots were turned in real feet (as we see in the first episode) and then in tiny feet wearing small red shoes. Cassie's boots were real boots, but under them, Atom had got feet.
Authors did not explain how they did not get burnt or flown away at the first take off.
We have got to accept it. The strict logic (put together the both the drawings with and without boots) with the cartoon logic (he flies, he wears boots, end of the line).
In the 2003s series we never see Atom without his boots. His boots ARE his legs and feet. The authors stated it from the beginning, because they knew the previous series. I think they studied almost all Tezuka's works when they put together the 2003s series. There are many references, most of them I am discovering right now, reading "Vampires".
They "cut the spikes", they added the missing parts, they changed their sight on Atom: now he can dream, maybe he can cry, he has got less odd powers, but he's equipped with an useful Megaman-like cannon. And they balanced the strict-logic with the cartoon-logic, making a less dramatic show but not denaturalizing it.
This is clear with Disney's style: you see simple characters, but when you try to draw them, you see how difficult and complex they are. Put together a good Mickey or Donald, and then tell me they're simple!
"I could made it or a baby could!" Maybe... but I MADE it, I've got the idea and the style. You just watched it when it was already made. I saw him appear. This can be a great difference. A work is important in its development, not only in its final result.
Fortuna is not a proper mutant: she was made in a laboratory, even if the project was a bit... deeply different. She is not a mutant, but maybe Cerebro could see her and other transgenic people as mutant. The fact a mutant is NOT a human, for some reasons. But I think that Atom could see them as normal humans: they're human enough, they're not machines. And, in the end, it does not matter, if he wants to make friends with them.
I imagined him making friends with Fortuna, who has got a perticular character and behaviour, and when she shows her own power, can be a problem for any robots: I see him not caring about it. He knows he himself can be dangerous, he knows to well the situation.
If you're not considered human, but you're not a robot, in this world, what are you? Like Klaus: he does not want to pass for human forver, he does not want to be a robot as well. He just wants to be himself, whatever it means.
This happens even for Protoman, the elder brother of Megaman: he's a prototype. He's some way incomplete. But if Dr. Light completes him, his personality would change. So he ran away. The other doctor, Wily, gave him the shield and the helmet, and a new long-lasting battery: Protoman will never go to the repair shop anymore. Just because he wants to be himself.
Categories are useful: people are not the same. People are different. But this does not mean more than a color or a feature. One has got to count the person, not trat him/her as a packet or a tool.
It seems easy, and it is not.
A category does not tell me who you are. It's just a hint, of course. A start point, why not. But not the whole you.
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Yep. A golden rule of cartoons. Sometimes you just gotta accept the way it is. Cartoons aren't always meant to be logical. Especially old cartoons.
The 2003 one was meant to feel more structured. Without the sense of; "powers as the plot demands" trope. And yeah, I'm pretty sure he can cry in this version. The shot where he's walking in the rain after being picked on shows what I'm pretty sure is tears in his eyes though that was probably the point of the scene since it was raining it makes you sit and wonder; "can he really cry or was it just the rain?" But it's the only time we see it so it makes me think we're supposed to wonder.
Yeah, I was surprised by how difficult it actually is to draw Mickey Mouse XD Disney animators have even commented that as animation technology becomes more sophisticated, it becomes harder to draw Mickey.
I agree. I'd be like; "Well, good for you and the baby. But this is still mine."
Atom would look at mutants as just normal people. He met an alien plant once that wanted to live on Earth and he had no problem with it but knew humans would be nervous around him for being an alien plant. He ended up shedding his human-like body and allowed himself to be planted into the ground like a flower. Point being, Atom would most certainly look at mutants and not see anything more than another person unless that person gave him a reason to think otherwise.
That is true and very fascinating about Protoman. It kind of reminds me of those who may have some sort of mental disability or something similar and could take medication to fix it but then what makes them special could be threatened (like their sense of creativity) so they choose not to.
Exactly about categories. People are complicated but society tends to refuse to acknowledge this
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The old one squeezed together a will of strict logic about technology and the old cartoon-like anime. And they made a mess! ^_^'
But I still love it. It was the first time I saw AstroBoy, in 1989, the very year when Tezuka said goodbye to the world.
It can me a mess, but it's always a good work, with all is good and weak points.
Well, they made it on purpose, it's clear. But it's a great idea. Each one who see this scene, can imagine an answer. It's always a little boy, after all, and all things happen to him aren't not easy to bear.
Ah ah, 2 D characters take their own revenge on 3 D ones
It's great that Atom and Jetter Mars too meet all sorta of people, as aliens and fairies. And they are Ok. Maybe curious, maybe amazed, but they don't force anyone to show anything. Atom knows too well what does it mean; Mars is always naive and empty-headed all time, he does not care ^_^
I did not think about it, but it fits, of course. He does not want to be repaired, or cured, because the "failed" part of him is A part of him and his personality would change after that. And maybe the cure can be worse than the disease.
He decided by himself how he wanted to live and who he wanted to be.
My brother thinks Protoman's scarf is made like that to remind Mars's red tails; I don't know, to tell you the truth.
When I think about a prototype related to AstroBoy, I think about that creepy prototype that Astro finds in the basement of his house, in the American comic. That rejected prototype who was almost Astro, and moved and tried to talk... and Astro thought it was normal like that. Again. He did not care about how much damaged or monstruous that could be: he was a friend. Or a brother.
I don't remember if he reckognized him as a brother, maybe not.
Maybe too high numbers make things forced to be simple, even when they're not. But the line is crossed too many times, and even if we know perfectly how huge the world is, there are still people with narrow sights, who want to classify you with just 3 or 4 categories, and if you don't fit to any of them, you're out.
No matter how many years you've been together ot exchanged ideas and talked about problems.
It's very sad... but if someone rejects you for this, it's better for you: he or she left you, and you've got a problem in less.
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I agree to all of that
2 D characters take their own revenge on 3 D ones
I would watch that XD
that's one of the things I like about Atom's stories. He runs into so many different things. It keeps things exciting.
I remember the messed up prototype in Astro's basement. that was a strange approach but interesting. But Astro's reaction to it does fit his character. He wouldn't care how monstorous or strange it is.
The category thing is terrible for many people. I think people are complicated, humanity longs to simplify things. And that includes indentifying people
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