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Here's a quick one...really it's just a colored page from Maelstrom #5
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but my latest big piece is giving me grief so this was just a 10 minute color job for fun.
For the whole story start here:
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Here is Op before the Veil of Remembrance - sitting in at Rodimus' funeral. He is looking at who knows how many more millions of years doing this Prime thing by himself. Do you think he remembers being dead? Do you think he's jealous of Rodimus for being dead? I do.
This goes with my latest rant at people who dis Rodi and Magnus for not being Optimus. If you were unfortunate enough to read that already, skip this. I love Optimus, really, but they all had their strengths, and I think Optimus would be the first to tell you A.) This job is not easy/fun/or something you should aspire to, and B.) That he was not the most effective military leader around.
What do these people base that opinion on? It isn't event-based certainly. Based purely on results G1 Optimus Prime did a far worse job than those that followed him.
Op's G1 cartoon record goes as follows. He: Kept the war on Cybertron going until the planet died, got ambushed and crashed rather than finding fuel, brought the Bot/Con war to Earth and let the Cons plunder the planet at least to a degree, lost Cybertron completely at some point, was in charge during the assault which killed off most of the first season Autobots, and died without training his successor.
Not the most sterling of records, although he did have the voice and he was outstanding with his people and the human alliance.
OH...and let's be really clear. Optimus gets himself killed in the G1 movie. Yes, yes...Hot Rod jumps in, but it's Optimus who stands around TALKING to Megatron instead of at the very least restraining him. Every rookie cop will tell you to put the cuffs on...then chat. After MILLIONS of years of not defeating Megatron, Optimus should know enough to just tie him up or blow him up. Hot Rod's one mistake does not erase Optimus' hand in giving Megatron another opportunity....again.
Now Magnus was too military for most people to handle, and Rodimus had a mouth, but between them they took back Cybertron, held off Unicron, pushed the Cons back to Char, and held off the Con/Quint alliance.
During Op's term the ONLY character who ever actually made a preemptive offensive move against Megatron during the first 2 seasons was Carly! (Remember the little scuba incident?)
What Optimus did have was charisma, and that lovely voice which made all of the latch-key kids of the eighties feel they had someone to look up to. He was good to his people and just plain nice. Which is why we love, respect, and adore him even in the face of his stunning lack of actual success as a commander.
Enter Magnus and Rodimus - during a PG-13 flick. More realistic things like people getting left behind during a fight could and did happen....something which could have NEVER flown during a weekly G rated show. So Magnus gets a bad rap for the "I can't deal with that now!" line...but that is EXACTLY the kind of thing a real military commander would have to decide. OOO...and looky! During the new movie, Optimus Prime has to do the exact same thing with Bumblebee. Mission first. Soldiers know the risks they take.
They did make sure to give new movie Optimus plenty of time to explain himself though didn't they? Guess they learned from the fall-out with Mags.
Oh and then there's King Arthur...I mean Rodimus. First, I reject the notion the Matrix opens for him because he touched it first. The light flare is foreshadowing IMHO. Optimus is talking about someone who will "rise from the ranks" before he drops it...so you get the feeling he knows who it is. Besides, if that's all it takes to be "Chosen" then what's the big deal? That would be the dumbest system of selecting a Prime imaginable and they would deserve what they got if it was true. If a Prime dies and Sludge is the only one around to take the Matrix do we get Sludgimus Prime? Um...yeah.
People always complain Rodi wasn't all thrilled to be the boss. Would you want him to be? Really! If you were an Autobot would you want the new Prime to be doing the happy dance to have your life in his hands? Would you want a guy who was so conceited and power hungry making decisions that could get you killed in charge of your life for as long as he lives - which for a TF could be basically forever? Wait...we have a guy like that...thinks he should be running things, has an inflated sense of his own abilities, and takes other peoples' lives for granted. His name is Starscream.
Rodi's season was some of the richest character development ever done in a weekly cartoon. I was thrilled to see him struggle. Anyone who thinks that job is anything but a soul draining grind is an idiot. Sorry - if you think you want to be Prime you are either an ego-maniac or utterly clueless. It is a 24/7, no vacation, one way ticket to slavery. There is no honor or glory that makes up for the fact that if you screw up all of your friends can get nice and dead. If you think that sounds like fun you need a shrink. Look up the Roman Emperor Nero if you want to see what happens when a dude lets power get to his head.
Poor Optimus doesn't even get a vacation after he dies!
Rodimus is not an idiot, not an ego-maniac, and not happy. Hurray. He just has the misfortune of being the replacement for everybody's surrogate daddy, and that doesn't go down easily.
The problem is attitude. Optimus was good at morale. He was a good father figure. You almost never got to see him lose his cool. I suppose a few million years practice will do that for you. Magnus on the other hand is very military and in your face. If you are an idiot he will tell you so, at length. Please cry, it will make his day. Rodimus is worse. If you are an idiot, he will rip you a new one and laugh about it. Definitely not as easy to swallow as Optimus' charisma, but that doesn't make him a bad leader.
I think ALL of them are competent - just in different areas. Optimus- morale/diplomacy. Magnus is strictly a field general, and Rodimus is the innovator.
So here's to Optimus, a great person who does a terrifying, heart-wrenching job for a very long time, while other people stand around cheering about how exciting and awesome it would all be if they got to do it.
Personally Op, I'd step on them.
Thus concludes my rant of the week. My doctor assures me the menopause will settle down soon.
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I think that after Megs was done pleading, Prime should've shoot first and then talk.
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Any professional in law enforcement or the military would tell you that you shouldn't even give him time to plead. You cuff him at the very least. I don't think Prime would have shot him when he was unarmed - that's not in Op's nature. He could have tied him up though. My whole frustration with this scene is that everyone blames Hot Rod for getting Op killed, but no one blames Op for this part of it. He's at least as guilty as Hot Rod for dumb rookie moves.
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"He's at least as guilty as Hot Ros for dumb rookie moves"
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Is it just me or is Wheelie more hated then Rodimus Prime? Because it seem like he is.
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Well, Rodimus is a good (as in well-written) character who had the misfortune of replacing the surrogate daddy of an entire generation. Still, he's a solid, interesting character. Wheelie is just lame writing.
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I imagine that bay Prime crossover into the g1 movie universe and did G1 OP job for him. Also, don't worry, Roddy is still alive because Optimus Bay shot Megatron way before Hot Rod could get there.
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All PRIMES have their own strengths and unique character traits. Now's here's how i see them:
Sentinel Prime - The first Prime (At least in my TF Universe. I know that Primus is the father of all PRIMES but since he is the planet Cybertron itself pretty much he is immobile 90 percent of the time so technically he doesn't count) he represents the warrior spirit and what the Autobots should and can be. He is also Optimus's role model and mentor.
Vanquish Prime (The Fallen) - The yin to Sentinel's yang. The father of all Decepticons and Megatron's master.
If you look closely at their heads you can see that they are the Transformers symbols/logo. Sentinel Prime for the Autobots and Vanquish Prime for the Decepticons. I wanted to put logic and answer the question behind those particular Transformers group logos.
Optmius Prime - Moral fortitude and decency. The ONE. The ICON. It is reflected on his motto: Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.
For those who don't know or care about Transformers, one look at Optimus Prime and they suddenly get the appeal of this enduring phenomenon.
Rodimus Prime - Innovation, the Autobot's symbol of hope for the future and creativity. Kind of how i see Kyle Rayner of the Green Kantern Corps: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Ray…
Rodimus Prime and Optimus Prime are cool in their own way, just as with Shazam and Superman and Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner. No need to fight over who's cooler and who's popular and more powerful. They are all COOL. That's it.
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This is true. To me it was never about who was cooler. I love them both. I've been working on explaining everything that made no sense in G1 for several decades now - and they share the both the burden and the blame the way I write for them. I just get annoyed when people HATE Rodimus so much for the crime of not being Optimus.
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That's why i inserted Kyle Rayner in my post, because of the same vitriol and enmity that fans of Hal Jordan have with the character. He was created to "replace" Hal Jordan (as if that is even possible) and ride on the IMAGE look of flannel jackets and Cable type shoulder and knee pads look and trend of the 90's. Granted that Optimus never became bad (even if he was revived as a zombie in the Rodimus Prime season and they now have Nemesis Prime in IDW) the way Hal became insane because of Mongol wiping out Coastal City and Parallax's influence but still i see some similarities between the characters and their situation of having to succeed their predecessor and the expectations and responsibilities that go along with it.
I'm glad that Kyle is now a White Lantern and is the only human ever to do so, though i suspect that Geoff Johns just wanted a way to ease off Kyle from the GL comicbook without angering his fanbase.
Now on to another topic, what do you think of my Sentinel Prime and Vanquish Prime (The Fallen) character designs?
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I'm not a follower of much of DC, and to be honest it's been over a decade since I've been in a place to afford monthly comics. We've been picking up IDW's Transformers series in the bound hardback editions, but haven't gotten past book 3. I read the Wikipedia link on Kyle. It was interesting, but doesn't say much about fan reaction, so thanks for explaining.
I think all your designs look cool, but I'm not familiar with those characters either so I can't give you any kind of meaningful feedback.
Is this Bayverse stuff? I swore off Bay after the 3rd movie. I don't expect high-brow script writing from a TF movie, but I do expect enough attention to the basics to give me characters and plot that don't insult my mediocre intelligence. The first one had big issues but it was fun. With the next two it's like they didn't even try. No character development. No reason to care about any of the Transformers on either side or what they're doing. Plot holes the size of galaxies. Stereotypical BS at every turn. When will these supposedly professional writers get that you can play a joke on a character much more successfully than making a character that IS a joke? Sorry to rant, but until they get someone who actually cares about basic craftsmanship I will not be handing over any more ticket money.
I've spent 20 + years fixing plotholes in G1, but even that stupid, stupid kids' show gave me something solid characters to care about and a decent history to work with.
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As for Kyle Rayner, he was created during the Image trend of the 90's. Remember Superman being beaten by Doomsday, Batman crippled by Bane and Diana being replaced by Artemis? Kyle Rayner was a product of that rather dark era of comicbooks. He was created by Ron Marz. Naturally the Hal Jordan fanboys detested Kyle because their character got corrupted and was killed just to make way for this new, untested potential Green Lantern. Hal killed most of his GL friends to become Parallax and tried to revive Coastal City, hence the ushering of Zero Hour.
The reason why i liked Kyle more than Hal is because not only is he a struggling artist like iam but also because he went thru a lot of shit, both from the DC Universe and from Hal Jordan fanboys and yet still came out on top without ever losing the essence of who he is as a character.
I liked his overall progression and the various costume design changes that he had thru the years and the fact that now he is the only human White Lantern, how cool is that? Some fanboys would disagree since he has no defining classic ICONIC look but then that's what makes him different and unique in my eyes.
I know that maybe Geoff Johns sort of made him into a White Lantern to ease him off the Green Lantern comicbook without angering his fanbase but what the hey! At least he was able to master all emotional color spectrums and become a White Lantern. Not every Lantern could say that he or she were able to do that and Kyle did. With remarkable flying colors, pardon the pun.
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I will smile and nod and pretend to know what any of that pertains to. I've always been more of a Marvel girl.
I do find it funny people get SO attached to a particular costume though. If they met a real person who always wore the same thing they'd think it was weird/crazy. Not to mention...how many copies of the same get-up do they think these people own...or is it assumed costumes never get stinky. Or that heroes do laundry every single night.
Here...I shall include a conversation on this subject between the guys we were talking about.
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Hahahaha fangirl musing i take it?
Yup. DC, Marvel, independent whatever. Comicbook characters will always be comicbook characters no matter which company publishes them. That's why i don't get this DC vs Marvel nonsense. It boils down to preference really.
That's why i like Kyle more i guess. He changes costume designs more than most superheroes, Marvel or DC combined. I know that Spidey has lots of costume changes over their years and so have the X-Men but still that pales in comparison to Kyle's wardrobe changes over the years.
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Musings? Heh. No man. illmatar.deviantart.com/galler… Welcome to Maelstrom. When they canceled my show and my comics back in the day there was only one thing to do...finish it. My way. How many years since "The Rebirth" aired? 1987....yeah. Almost 30. That's how long I've been working on this thing. I'd call myself nuts, but that would be stating the obvious. Besides, it landed me a husband so people can say as they like.
Oh, I don't care who the maker is, I just didn't get into anyone on the DC side. Superman bores me, for instance. I was into X-men and so on for a long time.
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Well, Superman isn't the only character in DC you know. There's Batman, Plastic Man and other characters that aren't in the mainstream. You just have to look past the trimmings and packaging so to speak. Static Shock is a DC character NOW. So are Jim Lee's Wildstorm characters like WildC.A.T.S. , Gen 13, Stormwatch and etc. so yeah it's not all about the big red S in DC. Also, they have Vertigo and cool titles like 100 Bulletts, The Sandman, Hellblazer and all other interesting stuff.
If anything with the way Warner Bros. promotes Batman in recent years in all media, i and most people are getting the impression that DC is a BATMAN comicbook company and not Superman so yeah. I get it that he's popular like how Wolverine has to be in almost every cover of a Marvel comicbook and that all the more turns me off and makes me want to prefer the not so popular yet cool characters. I have a soft spot for the underdog and the darkhorse.
I do like Spider-Man, Captain America, Dr. Strange, Mr Fantastic, The Thing and other Marvel characters that aren't in the mainstream. I just recently watched Marvel's Daredevil and Jessica Jones and also i have watched Agents Of Shield and Agent Carter and most of the Marvel films. So yes, i'm not just a DC fan but really a comicbook fan. A sci fi, pop culture geek if you want to call it but yeah.
Remember, Superman isn't really indicative of how DC comicbooks are lately, Batman is. But without Superman, you won't have Spider-Man, the whole Marvel Universe and the X-Men that you so dearly love. He is the main reason why you have a comicbook industry in the first place. FACT.
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Batman was the only character of DC's I followed back in the day. We just finished marathoning last season's Arrow too. I'm familiar with lots of the characters, I just didn't find any of them compelling enough to follow. Then again, as large as Transformers loomed in my life it was hard for anything else to find space in it.
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Well if you look at how DC is not at with their "new 52" world, don't bother. It has turned off lots of DC fans and the various videos at youtube can attest to that. Even Marvel at times is guilty of doing the same. I guess everything's fair game with regards to business. That's what i think.
I'm continuously amazed at how Transformers as a phenomenon has not only impacted fanboys but fangirls as well. And there are a lot. I guess it's true in most fandom of pop culture, e.g Star Strek, Star Wars, Harry Potter etc. but i didn't think that girls/women would gravitate towards a concept of alien robots transforming into vehicles but the again almost everything nowadays surprises me.
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Suicide Squad looks like it might have potential, but I am too broke too get into any new obsessions anyway. I can't afford to get the books I'm already into so I won't be trying DC's new 52 anytime before I win the lottery.
Oh, I was always an atypical fan anyway. I think there were plenty of girl fans back when we were growing up but if they got hazed like I did they probably gave up on it. I seriously did not give a shit about being popular so I wore my geek loud and proud. For me, I just had fun with the concept, the mythos, and the characters. Then again as a fan-GIRL goes I'm still sort of the oddball. I know a LOT of female fans, but most of them were all about making things all romantic and crap. I like the explosions and big ass robots kicking the crap out of each other.
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As a comicbook fan, don't even try DC New 52. That's my advice. It's cool that they are trying to spruce up and update these characters but having the traditionally do gooder characters suddenly do untraditional stuff? All for the sake of being called revolutionary, cutting edge, hip and modern? Pass. Count me out on this one.
Be proud of who you are, geek or no. I didn't mean as an offense my remarks about the large amount of Transformer fangirls. I was just pleasantly surprised, given that it is a toy based franchise designed and specifically marketed to guys.
But then again, a lot things in this world still surprises me to this day. Indeed.
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Yeah, that whole boys/girls marketing thing is slowly going by the wayside. People like what they like and making it a gender thing only makes the less typical kids feel like they're doing something wrong. I was into snakes, bugs, and things that go boom as a kid. My dad made me a free-standing R2D2 costume that had to be lifted over my body for Halloween in the third grade. NOT voted for homecoming queen that's for sure, but whaddya know, I managed to have a life in spite of all that. Amazing.
As for DC's New 52...like I said. I am not trying anything new anyway. Too much money going to TF toys and grown up stuff.
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At least you had an interesting childhood. I'll give you that.
About the gender bender thing, i think it's what makes this whole marketing business seem ridiculous to me. You can't just people into niches or box them into category. Each one of us is unique. It's why this OscarSoWhite thing is raging on and it's why most businesses are messed up.
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My take on Sentinel Prime and Vanquish Prime are NOT based from the Bayverse films and have been developed long before ROTF and DOTM. They were inspired by the IDW and various Transformers wiki sites, versions and comicbooks. I found both of them cool and decided to put my spin on them. And i'll tell you the roles they have in my TF universe.
It goes like this: They were both once comrades who were following programming directives from the Quintessons to find planets with abundant energy sources. At the time they both can't transform since they didn't have yet the All Spark. When they came into contact with Cybertron, they were exposed to the planet's two types of Energon, red and blue. Sentinel was exposed to Blue Energon and gradually developed the All Spark within him and the ability to transform. Alpha Trion, a slave droid and the first Autobot further refined the transformation programming.
Vanquish was exposed to the red Energon and it gave him all the negative emotions and the insatiable appetite for Energon. Thus started the Transformers civil war and the Autobots Decepticon rivalry. Vanquish then created Megatron and the Decepticons to rebel against the Quintessons and fight the Autobots.
Everything else leads to Orion Pax, Elita-1 and how Megatron terminated Orion and Alpha Trion reformatting him into Optimus Prime. It then goes on to that first Generation One episode.
We all have our quibbles and rants about the Bayverse films and i'd like to think them like the Star Wars prequels, Episode I-III. They look flashy and are eye candy to some but devoid of substance and coherence and consistency underneath. Kind of like junk food i'd say.
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That's cool. Nice to see they worked on the back-story. We will pick up all of that eventually, but at the rate we're going it going to take years to catch up. I'm a worthless leech on society you see, as I am a teacher. I'm making less than I was 10 years ago.
I think of the Bayverse films and the SW prequels as cut from the same cloth too. All the special effects in the world are meaningless on an empty story. As much as these movies made you can only imagine how well they would have done if they didn't suck. I feel sorry for the animators. They work their asses off for what?
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Nah, it's my version of the Transformers Generation One. Just fixing the kinks and strengthening the chain so to speak. Granted that IDW, the various animated series and spinoffs and the videogames have some cool and interesting ideas but i decided to focus on elements that would make sense and will further make the overall mythos and that world/universe stronger. Transformers Regeneration is basically my concept of G1 Transformers but with a little bit spice added in. Think of it like that. I'm just one of those fans that want to make this mythos work and be taken seriously like Star Trek.
You can't blame the animators and the guys that work their asses off for the Bayverse films. They're just doing their jobs. Same for the people who did the Star Wars prequels. But it's rather disheartening when you get mostly flak for all the hard work that you've put into.
If anything i put the blame on the producers, director and the scriptwriters. They are the main creative guys who lay out the blueprint. The CGI guys are just following the blueprint that's been handed to them.
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Heh. I should have read this one before I replied to the other. That was my plan for Maelstrom. More adult storylines, inconsistencies and plot holes fixed, that kind of thing. An answer for obvious things like why does the war go on forever and why doesn't Megatron put a hole in Starscream WAY before the Movie. I had to do some pretty radical stuff to get it done though, and I never did resolve the 3 different origins for the Constructicons.
The animators tried very hard to hide the crap with frosting. You would just think these studios would hire someone to cry foul on bullshit. All of the money they spend and they can't get a decent product?
In none related news I think the space bar on my keyboard is going and I don't remember if I proofed my last response. Could just be too tired to remember doing it, but if it's full of problemslikethis I apologize.
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The simple reason is they JUST DON'T CARE. Period. Michael Bay has stated in countless interviews that he wasn't a big fan of this toy based cartoon franchise back when he was in film school and that indicates the APPARENT lack of love for Transformers. It's shiny, glossy yet cold and devoid of any warmth and genuine emotion. I guess you could call Sam's infantile outbursts "emotion" but that doesn't cut it.
And the thing is, most people who aren't fans of Transformers have told me this and i hear this most of the time: Why should we care about something that has robots transform into vehicles? Unless you're a sci fi geek or a motorhead, some people just don't get it and i understand that. It is easier to relate to human characters rather than alien robots with human emotions but still that's no excuse to churn out a crappy product that is all noise, fart jokes and juvenile musings. The fans deserve better than this. People who will watch these movies deserve better. All the more reason why people aren't so enthused about going to the movies anymore. Hollywood always finds a way to screw things up.
I do wish that most film makers would approach making films the way Disney/Marvel does. Even their lesser known properties like Ant Man and Guardians Of The Galaxy made money and why is that? It's because they do take the time to carefully plan their steps on how to get there, not just haphazardly make a movie just to get something out there and compete like Batman vs Superman: Dawn Of Justice. Talk about impending train wreck and potential crapfest.
Yes, i may like Superman and Batman but with the trailers and the way Warner Bros. have handled this so far elicits little to no confidence from me compared to Captain America: Civil War. NOW that's a movie i want to go and see.
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Right now the only movie I'm looking forward to is Deadpool. Civil War looks intriguing but I have too many misgivings about all of it to get excited yet.
I don't care what the franchise is. I work in an elementary school and teaching my students to give a crap about the quality of their work is part of my job. These people are getting paid big bucks to turn out garbage and I resent having to fight their bad example. There needs to be someone on staff of every job who stands up and cries "CRAP!" whenever necessary.
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Well, business execs usually don't give a damn about quality. It's about how much money they can get in return or how much will they lose. Kind of like what's happening now at the Oscars and this reflects the bigger problem. All they really care about is the bottomline, plain and simple.
Why Deadpool? Is it because of Ryan Reynolds or is it because the character is hilarious?
And what exactly are your misgivings about Civil War? Aesthetics? The actors in it, storyline or something else? Just curious.
And one more question, why don't you like DC as a whole? is it because of the notion that they are heroes meant for kids, that aren't dark, edgy and relatable maybe? Is it because of their ridiculous power levels and godlike abilities that somehow translates as them being unrelatable? Am i right?
They have cool characters just as Marvel has some. They have bad eggs just as Marvel has as well. I mean no company will ever be perfect. EVER.
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Yes, but they're missing the point. Sure, they'll make money if they make crap, but they would make MORE money if more than the dumbest percent of the population would pay to see their crap.
Deadpool is the perfect combination between laughs and violence. I just hope they didn't fuck it up, and that they didn't use up the only good bits in the trailers. I don't really care who plays him, but Reynolds seems to have a good handle on the character in the clips I've seen.
I feel a lot of the same things about Cap that I do about Superman. Toooooo goody goody. Too nauseatingly patriotic. I know they're trying to get him some depth and all that, and the fact that he and Iron Man have sort of reversed roles here could maybe work, but I am too suspicious of the crap factory to be optimistic.
I think Superman is sort of the Mary Sue of DC's world. I don't know about the rest...I just never got into them. I never had anything in particular against them, but none of them caught my eye.
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And that's why THE BAY (I refuse to call him by his given name due to my animosity over everything that he says and done and what he stands for) keeps acting like the biggest douchebag this side of Hollywood. People continue to patronize his Transformers movies and the fact that the movies make an insane amount of money and that the producers continue to go to him to direct, he must be thinking that he's like JJ Abrams or Christopher Nolan Or Guillermo Del Toro right now but NOOOOOOO. Those directors put ART and STORY first before anything else. The visuals eyecandy in their films are just their to supplement their storytelling ( And very tight and cohesive storytellers i might add)
Until the TF movies start to make less or no money at all, THE BAY will keep deluding himself that HE HAS ARRIVED and ready to join the great directors in their elite circle. FACT.
Captain America was created during the WW2 so there's that patriotic angle. So was Superman but really, Supes didn't actually start as being a chest thumping patriot. If you look at his early stories, he used to throw off crooks, wife beaters and NAZI pilots either against a wall or off a building to their deaths and that is so UNSUPERHEROIC, in my opinion. They just made him and his contemporaries "patriotic" to generate War Bonds and because of the climate of the times. He wasn't this superhero do gooder that wages a never ending battle for Truth, justice and the so called American Way. That was a later iteration to make him more reader friendly.
Anthony Stark's personality was patterned after Howard Hughes, if i'm right. His physical likeness was based on actor Errol Flynn. So you can see some hints of Hughe's narcississtic and obsessive drive in Stark's specially in Robert Downey Jr's portrayal of Tony so yeah you could say that they are the yin and yang of the Marvel U, the way Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne are in the DCU.
Any character can come off great if handled correctly. Even the cornball whitebread types like Superman, Captain America and Shazam. It boils down to writing, good writing. Even the dark and edgy types can come off bad if not handled right.
I feel it's easier to cheer for guys like Deadpool and jeer for guys like Superman simply because of the times that we're in but really, do you blame the creators Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster for making the character that would serve as the peg/template for the superhero concept? Because really, if you look at it without Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and the rest of the DCU, there won't be Marvel U and Stan Lee wouldn't be able to come up with variants of these archetypes. It all goes back to that primary character/peg/template.
Maybe you should try reading Kingdom Come, one of DC's masterpieces. It's got great art by Alex Ross and is written by Mark Waid, a great writer by any standard. If you got some extra bucks to spare, then go and get the book. It may or may not change your mind about DCU characters but at least you'll see them in a different light and get to understand why they are what they are.
KINGDOM COME: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_…
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Exactly why I will never set foot in a Bay film again. The only people more annoying than Bay himself are the people who reward him for his shit.
Hey, I grew up in Cleveland, so I fully get Superman's place in comic book history. I don't disrespect the artists...I just think he's annoying and dull.
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Ah i see. So it's the character concept itself, not the creators. Ok. To each their own.
Still saying that without the character and his overall impact you wouldn't have the comicbook industry to begin with and Marvel Universe and the characters that you love. Can't simply dismiss that overwhelming fact.
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I like some Marvel stuff. I love Transformers.
When did I deny his impact on the industry? It was always about the character concept. Like I said, if you grow up in Cleveland you get the history. He just annoys me and bores me.
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I love this picture. It was truly a touching scene... It's beautiful colored, as well.
As to your 'rant'~ Your totally right!!! I don't know how people don't see those valid points. I've seen most of them, and the ones I didn't see, are totally obvious after reading what you said!
Honestly, what people think up. I'm also in agreement to 'redconvoy's' comment (in this section somewhere). He mentioned that maybe the Matrix willed him not to shoot, and let himself die. In my opinion, it's pretty obvious Optimus knew full well Hot Rod was his successor....
As a base question, DO some people really actually believe one is chosen by the Matrix by touching it? If so, that's... Kinda stupid. Just listen to everything Optimus just finished saying... Then watch the rest of the movie, take note of the lad's growth, and by the
end (the opening of the Matrix) realize the little speech and light-show from earlier are blatant forms of foreshadowing (I mean, Optimus's voice DID say, "Arise, Rodimus Prime!" ... If that line isn't clearer on it's intent, I don't know what is...).
Just got to say as a last note, love your analogy about Sluge. HAHAHA~ Sludgimus Prime!!! :'D
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Glad you like it.
I have my own reasons for Optimus not shooting, but that would be spoiling later things.
Some people even think Hot Rod set the whole thing up with Megatron to get his hands on the Matrix. Dumber than dumb. As if Megatron would allow himself to be defeated just so some young kid could set himself up as the next Prime? As if Megatron would have stopped to listen to the pitch for thatt? "Psst! Hey Megs, I got a deal for you..." BAM! goes the fusion cannon.
The whole thing is the classic hero's journey, but somehow because it's Optimus Prime who died people can't cope.
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Haha! Oh my... What some people come up with...
Hot Rod setting the whole thing up with Megatron... Wow, that's priceless!
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It gets really old. The ones that get me the most steamed are the ones with Optimus murdering Rodimus to "get even." Really? You don't think anything of Op letting Megatron live all tyears but you think he out to kill his successor?
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Wow... Haha... Seriously? That's a new one to me..... And it's pretty ridiculous... Especially since it completely goes against his code of honer. I mean, he's rarely the killing type... And as you say --- he spares Megatron---- why kill Rodimus? That makes no sense...
Poor Rodimus... The slams and arguments against him could at least be somewhat clever! :')
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I suppose it shouldn't surprise me - and at least I have yet to find any of Rodi pregnant with Galvatron's kid, unlike poor Optimus who apparently is all kinds of happy to have Megatron's. I'm a teacher...and sometimes I want to put half of DA in time out.
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Very good! I guess that's why I like Rodimus and U.M. better...because getting the job done is the important thing. Why do you think managers get to be managers? BECAUSE THEY DO EVERYTHING!
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Well...good managers do everything anyway.
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