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I'm so fed up with all the complaints about what I consider the greatest Superman movie ever. And here's why:"It's too dark for Superman"
No, it's to dark for Richard Donner-style Superman. First of all, it's not darker. It's more serious. And yes, there IS a difference! Second, I'd ask if any of you have ever even picked up a comic, but I already know that Supes is a classic cast of what tvtropes.org calls "Complaining about Shows You Don't Watch". In other words, I can think of dozens of stories off the top of my head that are just as dark: "The Death of Superman", "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", "Kingdom Come", "Red Son", the list goes on!
"Too much destruction"
Yeah, because "The Avengers" and the Transformers movies were so mild-mannered. Or that last Star Trek movie, where a giant fucking starship crashed into San Francisco, about 2x the damage from MoS. If anything, the Avengers are even more responsible for any collateral damage: they were fighting a bunch of "go down in one hit" kind of mooks. Superman was fighting guys with the same powers, plus military training. Plus, HEL-LOOOOOOOOOOO! Ever wonder if 90% of the people evacuated when they saw a giant fucking alien laser drill hovering over them!?
(Spoiler alert) "Superman killed Zod"
I know, right? How he mercilessly crushed his hand, then throws him into a chasm and shares a moment with Lois (who also had just killed someone) like nothi-...Oh, wait, that's "Superman II", the time nobody ever gave him crap about. This is the time where he was...well, it already says so right up there. There's a difference between killing to save lives and cold-blooded murder. Not only did Bats kill RΔ's al GhΕ«l, he also tied a gargoyle to the Joker's leg and made him fall about 800 feet or so, and then there's how he shoved Harvey Dent off a building - hell that last one was literally the exact same situation that Superman was in!
EDIT: Not to mention when Iron Man killed a whole room full of thugs just because one of them broke a motherfucking Dora the Explorer watch. He literally told him he would be the first to die.
I know nobody likes Superman anymore, but give him a freaking chance! At least it's not "Superman Returns" (the one movie I hate more than that is "Iron Man 3").
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"If it was nothing"? So the whole giant skyward scream, did you not notice that part? And we don't know how much later the following scenes were. It could have been months.
A big deal? As big a deal as when Iron Man killed a whole room full of thugs over a motherfucking Dora the Explorer watch?
Plus, I think it's pretty obvious this will lead to Clark having some guilt nightmares in the sequel.
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First ironman is a bad example because he has no moral compass or obligations, he is basically a superhero because he can. Second it wasn't even necessary to break Zod's neck he could have stop the rays by blocking his eyesight with his hand (he is invulnerability would have protected him, I think), that could at the very least buy the people time to leave. Third I hope you are right and they do show Clark with some remorse, because if they don't, we'll... That wouldn't be heroic at all.
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1) I don't think that makes my point of the audience loving him more any less valid.
2) Even if he saved them, Zod was literally not going to stop until one of them died. You familiar with "suicide by cop"? I thought the movie made that pretty obvious.
3) I hope I'm right, too.
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Well, the audience loving ironman is totally subjective, all of ironman's arsenal is lethal (all in the movie of course
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So could any hero's arsenal. Cap once took a dude's head off with that shield. (okay, he was a vampire, but you know what I mean)
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The problem wasn't that superman killed, the problem is that he killed Zod in the very first movie, it made it appear like Β superman's alleged morality is dangerously fragile and bendable at convenience. Which is so not like the actual comic book character.
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Well, that's one way too look at it, but what they were going for was that it was meant to be the basis for WHY he has such a strong no-kill code in the first place.
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I don't agree with that point of view( I think that if that is the eventual the purpose of his actions then they might have overdone it), but you might be right, after all he is supposed to be the bad guy in the upcoming superman and batman movie. For the movie is based, according to many interviews, in the story of "the dark knight returns" by Frank Miller.
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I think he just used the same line Batman used to announce it, showing both were related to an epic clash of the 2. Doesn't mean it will be an adaption of the story.
Maybe it will be used as an excuse by Lex to publicly badmouth Superman, or be why Batman is fighting him in the first place.
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And there's always another alternative before killing, batman has beated the living crap out of superman before without killing him, if Bruce has no powers then I think Clark can sure figure out another option.
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I think part of it is that Batman's so much more "relateable." You know, the guy who mastered a dozen different martial arts, criminology, psychology, chemistry, infiltration, and other skills while also being a billionaire (which writers usually interpret as "unlimited resources") in his 20s-30s.Β
I love Bats, but he can be really overblown sometimes.Β
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I get what you're saying, but honestly I think it's kind of ridiculous to call a billionaire who rarely shows emotions other than anger and guilt (as badass as he is for it) more relateable than Superman.
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Yeah, that's what I meant (and why I put "relateable" in quotation marks). Also bugs me that you see so many "Superman snaps and takes over the world" stories, when really it's Batman that's closer to being a criminal himself.
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A story where Batman turns evil. That would actually be pretty cool.
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Amen to that! I couldn't believe all the negative reactions to "Man of Steel". It was a GREAT film! Too dark my butt!
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Like I said, I can think of at least 3 comic stories WAY darker. Was the movie "Bizarro committing suicide and bodies in a present box" dark?
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Totally agree. And, Superman kills Zod numerous times in the comics, yet people are shocked to see him do it in the movie and claim "Well that's not superman!" Yes it is!!!
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And in Superman II. And not like in MoS where he did it to save lives. In S2 he was just being a dick.
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I don't understand why it's so many people who hate Superman 
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Everyone thinks the old movies are how he's always been: a ridiculously overpowered flat character. Nobody bothers to dig deeper.
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ironically thats the superman everyone complains that is too overpowered. superman never had time reversal, memory erase kissing, cellophane S, cloning illusion, wall repairing vision, etc.
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Please. In silver age comics, he could shoot a mini-Superman from his hands!
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i know. not to mention sneezing out planets/stars. XD
now its heat visioning a whole planet, holding a black hole in his hands, clapping away a typhoon, moving planets (takes effort though) being cooked up in the sun for 15 minutes and becomes the human torch,
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Well, he's Superman. He's way too awesome to need power consistency.
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I think on batmans photo it should say "saves family by snapping dents neck via two story fall, kills two people in cold blood to save city. is loved." and supermans "saves family by snapping zods neck. saves whole world from alien invasion, is hated"
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thank you! ignorance these days. oui~
as a friend once said "its a new era, I don't like it." -referring to how stupid people are these days.
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We never had this problem with the DCAU or Young Justice
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Well, with Young Justice there's the whole "bad father" issue, which I actually did dislike.
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Claps. Couldn't have put it better... sometime some people are just haters for the sake of it. (I'll put the Citizen Kane icon, but I don't have a clue on how to get it)
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A-fucking-men.Β Couldn't have said it better myself.Β I'm right there with you.
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To me, Superman killing Zod works perfectly to shape his character as the hero he's supposed to be. He took a life once, hence learning how dangerous his powers can be if he doesn't control them, so he vows never to do it again.
The proper way to enjoy Man of Steel is to clear off your mind of the previous movies. Even though I still consider Chris Reeve as my favorite Superman, Henry Cavill makes a great one in his own way, taking into account that he's also in a different world, a world that first sees him as a potential threat rather than welcoming him with open arms (as it was in the original movies).
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Thank you for sharing this sir. Β I've been saying the same for months. Β Let me add:
Burton's Batman wasted criminals indiscriminately - Burton's Batman (who many claim is truer to the comics than Nolan's) killed more bad guys than any other cinematic interpretation. Β From blowing up an entire factory of the Joker's minions (estimated death toll 20-50), to machine gun strafing the parade (estimated DT 20) and that's just in the first movie. Β
Superman has killed before - Besides the SUPERMAN II references you mentioned (PROPS for pointing them out). Β In the stories CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW, and of course John Byrne's run in Superman, Supes has been put in situations where he has been forced to kill. Β He never shows pleasure in it, so it is not out of character for him.Β
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Agreed. Of course Batman is my all time favorite, but I love Superman too. And everyone faila to realize that this is basically a Superman origins story. So we don't really see the Clark Kent or Superman everybody knows yet. That's still to come. In fact that situation where he was forced to kill Zod is going to weigh heavily on him in the sequels. I loved MOS and can't wat for BvS or Worlds Finest or whatever they're going to call it.
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Precisely! Not to mention a perfect reason for why Batman picks a fight with him, and Lex can use it as an excuse to publicly badmouth him.
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and this is why i dont fuck with fanboys/Β hypocrite s, they always bash and shit on something this whlie they dickride a charater or something like that aka spiderman and batman(....ok mosty batman) that has the same problems as the other charaters they claim hate. for dumb reasons for less.
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Hey man, I love Superman and "Man of Steel" - have hope my friend! Also, Batman was definitely responsible for Harvey Dent's neck breaking after he pushed him off that building, and Batman's definitely the one with the no killing rule. Based on what I know...Superman doesn't like killing by any stretch of imagination, but he's done it before, whereas Batman almost never does. I really just think it's because Superman physically broke Zod's neck with his bare hands as opposed to letting something happen to him as Batman did with Ra's and Dent. In any case, I love both of these heroes, and can't wait to see them together on the big screen! I get the feeling that we'll finally be seeing the Batman and Superman we love so much from the comics. We also have to remember that the Kal we saw in "Man of Steel" was hardly Superman - he was Superman for like a day.
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Batman got his no-killing rule in the '80s in the comics. In previous comics from the 1940s, he used guns. In the Burton movies, he did kill.
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Regarding Man of Steel and Superman II,Β truer words haven't been spoken.XDΒ Yeah, it bugs me, too, that people give Superman in II a free pass for killing Zod despite him showing no remorse over it.Β Hell, even the cursed hand to prove Zod and co were depowered would've bene enough, but then he topped it off by tossing him into a pit.Β At least in MoS and the comics, he did show remorse.
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c'mon people. stop throwing a fit over plot lines!
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What was your problem with Iron Man 3? And I totally agree about Superman Returns.
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-Weak plot twist. Building up the greatest Iron Man villain ever, then making him a fucking washed-up actor?
-The actual villain is motivated by a harmless prank from 13 years prior
-And THEN he gets his ass kicked by PEPPER!
-An Iron Man movie with almost no Iron Man in it. He keeps using it as an RC toy proving Caps "not the guy to make the sacrifice" speech totally right
-And no AC/DC
-The Mk42, supposedly an upgrade over suits that could take direct fire from a tank like it was nothing and hold its own against the thunder god Thor, yet constantly malfunctioned and fell apart
-The inclusion of Iron Patriot (Arbitrary, perhaps, but I stand by it)
-All that time spent building up the panic attack subplot, yet the plot is entirely unaffected by it. Never affects any fight scenes or anything.
-The "Igor" suit makes a badass entrance, but is wasted on supporting the tower
-A stupid and pointless end credits scene. I WANTED AN ANT-MAN TEASER!
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HOLY SHIT!!! You are exactly right. I only saw part 3 once so maybe that's a good thing. I want an Ant-Man teaser as well.
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Y'know they've actually confirmed the actor? And I'm pretty sure that, yes, it's Pym. (Don't take my word for that last one)
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I hope to god it's Pym. Why wouldn't it be?
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Because nobody likes Pym. I have 2 or 3 demotivationals in my gallery dedicated to how little respect he gets.
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