Gnomosexual In reply to ??? [2020-12-24 06:18:00 +0000 UTC]

No. You’re a cunt.

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AzakiShimo In reply to Gnomosexual [2020-12-24 17:52:54 +0000 UTC]

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inspiredcreativity In reply to ??? [2019-07-08 19:58:55 +0000 UTC]

Is this something you want to change about yourself, or do you like hating a segment of the population for how they were born (also known as bigotry)?  Homophobia is not difficult to overcome once you decide you would want to do it. It starts with becoming educated on human sexuality and getting to know some LGBTQ people.  This way you begin to see that LGBTQ people are just like everyone else, except for who they fall in love with. You would never recognize the vast majority of gay people since most do not follow the stereotypes about Gay people. When we gain an understanding of people, we can gain compassion and learn to let go of negative feelings.

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AzakiShimo In reply to inspiredcreativity [2019-07-09 00:30:23 +0000 UTC]

His is a real shame, someone like you believing everyone thinks it’s ok to be gay but to me I find it very wrong and disgusting, homophobia is a forever thing to some people and that won’t changed me no matter what... if you think you can just force someone to changed, it’s not going to work, or like how you all said you can changed their minds by having sex with them...

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to AzakiShimo [2020-03-07 15:28:42 +0000 UTC]

So you're a cunt then. Also love bigots with hideous weaboo avatars.

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AzakiShimo In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2020-03-07 15:34:18 +0000 UTC]

You can call me whatever you want because you can’t even hurt me. So what if I’m homophobic if you have a problem with me being homophobic then you surely are a heterophobe.
there are some who’s a homophobe out there and here you are looking for trouble... it’s good to have people that are against lgbt, because people or some just disagree on it and here you wanting to confront people who are homophobic or against them just because we have different opinions... there is a reason why homophobic and lgbt don’t go together because some of us don’t even like it, so don’t force it...

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inspiredcreativity In reply to NightmarishWarlord [2019-04-10 11:02:39 +0000 UTC]

I agree that the Old Testament is mostly storytelling, heavy on myth and very short on true facts.  However, millions of people believe in every single word as written, and parts of the Old Testament are used as weapons against LGBT people.  I did a great deal of research on both the Old and New Testaments and wrote the following three papers to help Christian LGBT people reconcile their faith with their gender and sexual orientation identities.

Many LGBT people were raised to believe that the translations of the Old and New Testaments were as if God wrote them him/herself. The translators of the Bible are very much human, with human biases, bigotries, and agendas of their own.  Note that there are over 100 English translations of the New Testament in use today.  There are significant differences between them.  I wrote these papers to show LGBT people what man scholars believe to be the correct translations of both Testaments.  They can use this knowledge to help fight the lies of others and/or to help reconcile their faith with what they have been told the Bible says about them.

 New Testament + Homosexuality  

 Old Testament + Homosexuality

SODOM DESTROYED ON 6-29-3129BC
SODOM & GOMORRAH DESTROYED BY ASTEROID ON 6-29-3129 BCE
Sodom and Gomorra were two ancient Early-Bronze-Age cities in a fertile region of the Middle East, near the Dead Sea.  The time is shortly before dawn on 6-29-3129 BCE, and 600 miles (966 Km) from Sodom & Gomorrah, there are two Samarian Astronomers observing the skies.  They observed a fiery body traveling across the night sky.  They inscribed its path and it relative course and position against the stars on a clay disk, called a Planisphere.  Dr. Hempsall and Alan Bond deciphered the clay disk and used computers to recreate the night sky thousands of years ago. They pinpointed the sighting of the ancient astronomers to shortly before dawn on June 29 in the year 3123 B.C.
The asteroid, which was about 1.25 Km (0.78 Miles) in diameter, exploded above the ground with a force of a 10,000 megaton nuclear weapon (100 times more powerful than any nuclear weapon on earth).  Sodom Destroyed on 6-29-3129BC

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NightmarishWarlord In reply to inspiredcreativity [2019-04-10 22:57:16 +0000 UTC]

alright then

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Luckero-Wolf [2017-10-02 06:45:57 +0000 UTC]

You can look up the answers easily by using the hot-linked table of contents in the deviation you are commenting on   Old Testament & Homosexuality

For the New Testament passages see   New Testament + Homosexuality

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Luckero-Wolf In reply to inspiredcreativity [2017-10-02 09:16:05 +0000 UTC]

All you're doing is twisting words and acting like you don't know what things mean. You're speaking to a Jew here; I know Hebrew. Leviticus 18:22 uses tishkav, which means 'lie' as in sleeping, laying down in bed with, or sexual intercourse. There's no other way to interpret it. There's also no mention of 'pagan temples' or anything of the sort, that's your addition and a violation of Deut. 4:2. The word translated as abomination means exactly that; a detestable, vile, terrible, wicked act. It's also a lie that bdelygmia means 'ritual impurity.' All the sources I could find translate it as meaning 'filthy.' Whether it means ritual impurity or not does not make the command obsolete. YHWH still instructed against it and said the act was detestable. You also barely even touched on Leviticus 20:13 also. It's staggering that somebody could be as evil as you twist the creator's will. Sexual organs have a purpose, to reproduce, and you're encouraging people to harm themselves with STDs, rectal and anal tearing, and using the organs in the improper way.
And don't say stupid shit like 'we're not under the Law of Moses.' Matthew 5:17-19 disagrees with you. None of the early apostles forsook the law, nor did Yeshua teach against it. You are a wicked man.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to Luckero-Wolf [2018-01-22 22:56:09 +0000 UTC]

Says the furry wolf-fucker. What is it with deviantart that attracts hypocritical, self-righteous sociopaths hiding behind religion that are also perverts like flies to a corpse?

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Luckero-Wolf [2017-10-03 07:32:26 +0000 UTC]

When I hear people say things like did with, "It's staggering that somebody could be as evil as you twist the creator's will," I know that the speaker is a bigot who feels his or her religious beliefs are the only correct translation and that the speaker feels superior to other people.

I disagree with what you have said in the comment, but because your comment is so full of hate speech, I choose not to respond or to engage in a war biblical passage exchanges. I stand by what I wrote in the paper, and I stand with the theologians and scholars I drew the information from.

I do not need people spewing hate at me, so kindly do not respond again.

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Daviddv1202 [2017-08-26 07:52:33 +0000 UTC]

Hi David, Thank you for the suportive comment.  While there are some Christian churches who are accepting of Gay people and will even Marry them, unfortunately most of Christianity is not very freindly to Sexual Minority people.  Science has now proven that we are born Gay and has even identified a gene and other mechanismss that make a chbaby be born a Sexuyal Minority.  All such children and adults should have the right to their spiritual beleifs without being excluded, vilified and discriminated against.

In the USA, President Trump enables and makes people feel safe to be opely bigoted against black people, hispanic people and LGBT people.  In the same way, many Christian churches enable and make people feel justified to be bigoted against Sexual Minority People, and to discriminate against them, etc.

Evenif a perwon is a Christian and beleives homosexuality is a sin, Jesus teaches not to be judmental and not to be discrimnatory or harmful against others.  While things are slowly improvng in the USA for Sexual mnority people, it just took a step backwards with President Trump excluding Transgendered people from military service.  We can't complan too much, bevcasue in other parts of the word, homosexuals are being executed and put in prision.

You are right in that it ultmately comes down to love and romance.  I grew up in the 1950's through the 1970's, when the vast majority of human beings on the planet earth felt you were better off deqd than Gay, a sentiment my own mother expressed to me.  Having a romantic relationship was extrememly difficult back then, becasue discovery of being Gay would mean loss of carreer, and usually loss of all your freinds and family.  I got away with being in a romantic relationship and sharing a home with a man, becasue I went to sea on supertanker ships, and my employer wasa thousands of miles away and would have no idea who I lived with.

Now it is much easier to be in a loving realionship with someone of the same gender in the USA and Western Europe, but many other places in the world, it is too dangerous to be in loving relationships.  Living like that very much mentally and emotionally harms Sexual Minority people.  I first tried to kill myself at age 13. Now I am very fortunate to be married to a man for over 27 years.

All the best,
Matthew

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inspiredcreativity In reply to ethon0915 [2016-12-17 10:05:02 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Sinchanpelman [2016-11-30 08:06:27 +0000 UTC]

There is no joke. God demanded that Abraham slaughter his son as proof of obedience.  See Genesis 22.2 below. Abraham even deceived his son, not letting him know that he was the one to be slaughtered.  Although god sent an angel to stay Abraham's hand, God then went on to say, that as a reward for being willing to slaughter your son, I will bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me. See Genesis 22.15 below.

I posed the question, "What kind of God demands that a Father Murder his Son, as a sign of obedience and Love?"  And as a reward for obedience, I will rewards your decedents with fertility, power and riches.  I believe my question is perfectly legitimate. God could have chosen to not stay the hand of Abraham and Abraham would have felt justified to murder his son, in the name and command of God. It is this thinking that allows thousands of years of wars, slaughter of humans, atrocities, torture, etc, all in the name of God.  God gave the commandment to not kill or murder, but somehow it is Ok if God demands it, or someone believes that God demands that they commit acts of terror and kill many innocents. This is a double standard.  You can say that God never intended to allow Isaac die, but this does not really matter, as it is the principle of God expecting his followers to murder on command, even one they love dearly, simply as proof of obedience, then rewarding obedience for this willingness to kill innocent people , with fertility, power and wealth.  It is CORRUPT.


Genesis 22 New International Version (NIV) Abraham Tested

22 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

3 Early the next morning Abraham got up and loaded his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.”

6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together,7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, “Father?”

“Yes, my son?” Abraham replied.

“The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”

8 Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” And the two of them went on together.

9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. 11 But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, “Abraham! Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns.He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, “On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”

15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies,18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.”

19 Then Abraham returned to his servants, and they set off together for Beersheba.And Abraham stayed in Beersheba.

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CocoaAndTea In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-12-07 17:35:41 +0000 UTC]

Hey, just wanted to comment with an explanation I found   for this topic.

"God wanted to teach Abraham in a forceful manner that this was completely unacceptable and that human sacrifice was wrong - and that there were alternative ways to serve God. Of course, God could have just said "Do not do human sacrifice". However a practical demonstration is much more effective -- so God commanded Abraham to do what all the surrounding peoples viewed as standard. It was only when Abraham had actually bound Isaac up and was ready to do the deed that God came and said NO -- and the angel showed him the ram to use as an alternative. This would have made an extremely powerful demonstration that God detests the idea of human sacrifice and the idea of sacrificing your only son is abhorrent to God."

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inspiredcreativity In reply to CocoaAndTea [2016-12-09 09:11:03 +0000 UTC]

Your explanation is perfectly playable and possible. However, the story has been interpreted in other ways and used for thousands of years as excuse for horrible atrocities, all in the name of God.  This is why I posed the question. Each story in the bible can be interpreted in various ways.  The bet way to translate and interpret each story is to study the culture and use of the language, at the time of the writing.  Each translation gets the interpreters bias.  I have a software application that allows me to look at any given passage of the bible in just over 100 different english translations of the bible, in service today. There are significant difference in translation and interpretation.

The real lesson behind the story of Sodom and Gomorrah got lost when Matthew Damien reinterpreted the story to be about homosexuality in AD1100. It was never interpreted that way before nor had the Jewish faith ever interpreted it that way. It was all about inhospitality, a grave crime in the eyes of the nomadic Hebrews of the time. If you want to know more about it, check out  Sodom Destroyed on 6-29-3129BC

In conclusion, I do not disagree with you, but also not necessarily agree with you, as the story is interpreted in different ways, by different people, and thus hard to know the intended purpose of the story.  If the story was intended as you say, it sure could have been written to explain it in a much better manner. A story with intent to teach a lesson, should conclude with the lesson the author intended.  Alas, not much of the Bible was written this way.  It is probably due to the fact that when it was written, the people would have understood what it meant, based on their culture at the time.

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Sinchanpelman In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-11-30 18:44:55 +0000 UTC]

I apologize, because I was angry at reading the title (I though it was a joke to put that picture and say it was "homosexuality" between the father and the son). My fault.
Anyway, about what you have written to me, yes, is a legitimate. But I believe Isaac's sacrifice has a symbolism. You know Abraham was going to sacrifice his son. Finally God, seeing the prove of confidence ( we could even say love) Abraham finally didn't have to sacrifice his son. But God did: as a prove of his love for the World, he sacrificed his son Jesuschrist. Many things from the old testament are dangerous to be read only literally, it can make the impression that God is sometimes cruel. But I thing that some symbolisms are hidden (like the names of angels, for example, in the fight between Jacob and the angel Piniel -Piniel means "face of God") and must be also seen there.

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Sinchanpelman [2016-12-01 08:17:49 +0000 UTC]

No Problem, we have all sometimes jumped to the wrong conclusion.  It is true that the Old Testament is filled with some lots of symbolism, some history, allegories, analogies, parables (stories to teach lessons, such as Jesus used), and myths. We have to remember that all of this was interpreted by people of a certain culture and level of education, from several thousand years ago and forward.  It was also passed down much by verbal tradition, based by mouth generation to generation, until it was written down.

If you read  Sodom Destroyed on 6-29-3129BC, you will see how an asteroid explosion (above ground), which was recorded at the time, correlated to the location and time of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. When terrible things happen, a religious observer, Lot, will interpret the case of it in a religious way.

When it comes to the Old Testament, I am very open minded to possibilities. I only get bothered by those who insist every single word of the Old Testament was written by God's hand.  People get upset with me for my essay on the New Testament and Homosexuality, saying, "How dare you question the words of god and Jesus?"  But I do no such thing.  I only question the translators of the original New Testament, which was written completely in Coptic Greek, in the culture and usage of the language at the time of Jesus and the writing of the New Testament.  I have a Bible software application that allows me to look at any given bible passage, in many different bible versions (there are over 100 English translations in use), to compare them.

I can give you a quick idea about translation problems. In the OLD King James Bible, "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."  The old primary definition of the word 'charity,' still found in todays dictionaries, was "Universal Love for Your Fellow Mankind."

In newer versions of the New Testament, including the Catholic bible, in 1 Corinthians 13:13, Paul now says: "And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."  To me, having Universal Love for your Fellow Mankind is very different from just saying, 'Love.'  In over a hundred English versions of bibles, there is considerable differences in translation, then multiple that by the original translation from Coptic Greek to Latin, then the many translations and updates made since.  

When you read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the exact words are not so necessary, because as a group you get a very clear message from Jesus about Love and Compassion, as also spelled out by Jesus in Matthew 22, THE TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS.

36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?"

37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.

38 This is the greatest and the first commandment.

39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

40 24 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

CONCLUSION: In 40 above, this refers to ALL of the Old and New Testaments, ALL of which are based on the two Greatest Commandments, to love God and to love your neighbor.  Both Testaments must be interpreted with this in mind.

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Sinchanpelman In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-12-01 15:24:15 +0000 UTC]

Yes, is very important to have a critic spirit (it doesn't mean to unbelieve everything) and always try to love God in the heart and in the head (as much as we discover things and reveal secrets we know better God). What I think is more prudent is to read versions carefully, not all the versions speak of truth and some of them have bad intentions...

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Sinchanpelman [2016-12-02 08:22:01 +0000 UTC]

I agree.  I try to live my life with compassion and love for others, treating others with dignity and respect whenever possible, act with kindness, work to erase anger and hate from my life my life, and do volunteer work (giving of myself without any expectation of of return or award).

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Sinchanpelman In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-12-02 16:00:42 +0000 UTC]

And having a personal relation with God. With him, true love comes out.
I liked very much this conversation, thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Sinchanpelman [2016-12-03 06:57:34 +0000 UTC]

You are very welcome.

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inspiredcreativity In reply to c960763 [2016-05-09 04:44:02 +0000 UTC]

If you actually read My paper, The Old Testament & Homosexuality, You wills that I address each passage in the Old Testament concerning homosexuality.  Proper translation must consider the content and culture at the time of the writing.

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c960763 In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-05-19 08:07:39 +0000 UTC]

I have read many (too many) papers, essays, articles, poems, and other writings on this subject. The only writing that does matter, now and forever, is God's Laws and Commandments.

I even have some members of my own family who now claim to be open "homosexuals".

Who is right? The world? Politicians? News media? Organized religions? Courts? Lawyers? Magazines? Large cultural shifts? Oprah? Dr. Phil?

I've studied this subject extensively, both from Scripture and from modern science. Also with lots of prayer.

I still have no definitive answer...

I have come to realize that there are "Sodomites". And then, there are VICTIMS OF "Sodomites". This is all I have been able to prove with real life examples.

In the end, All that matters is Jesus!


If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:  Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(Ephesians 2:8-9)

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to c960763 [2016-07-09 13:24:38 +0000 UTC]

So basically you admit you're a desperate coward. How christian of you.

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inspiredcreativity In reply to c960763 [2016-05-19 10:17:33 +0000 UTC]

It is translators with agendas who have corrupted the word of God, and you who support that corruption. If you looked at the correct translations and the correct ETYMOLOGY of the passages in question, then you would see the truth of it.  But it is your underlying homophobia that does not allow you to see the truth. Historically, until AD1100, even the Catholic church never interpreted the story of Sodom and Gomorra as having anything to do with homosexuality, and this also holds true in the Hebrew tradition.  If you bothered to educated yourself and understand the historical hebrew traditions of the time, you would see how the story has noting to do with homosexuality. Interpreting homosexuality into the story required the one word 'KNOW' to be interpreted in a sexual connotation, even though it is almost never used that way elsewhere in the Old Testament. Interpreting the story wth homosexuality was first proposed by in the 11th century by the Italian ascetic Peter Damian.  Iy had never been interpreted that way until that point. The church saw homosexuality as a Pagan thing and wanted to stomp it out. 

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c960763 In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-05-24 04:46:22 +0000 UTC]

"Homophobia" is a stupid made up word, not found in the Bible.

Nice try though, trying to apply modern man's (false) teachings and modern words to contradict God's eternal truths and Laws...

That's not gonna fly...

I don't condemn "homosexuals", I pray that they repent, and get SAVED...

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to c960763 [2016-06-23 13:23:47 +0000 UTC]

So basically you admit you're a desperate moron that's actually terrified of reading the truth.

How cowardly for a christian.

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inspiredcreativity In reply to flower2563 [2016-02-07 09:04:44 +0000 UTC]

Personally, I agree.  It is a storybook with some historical facts thrown in.  However, some people take it very seriously, believing every single word as truth.  The thing is, if people really claim to believe every word, what about the treatment of women as slaves, string people to death for telling a lie, and on and on with the ridiculous bloodthirsty punishments for small things, like wearing wool and cotton at the same time.  But then Paul, of the New Testament also did not like women and spoke of how they were to be subservient to men, forbidden to teach men, etc.

In early Christianity, the Gnostics had women priests and treated women a lot more equal. Then Roman Emperor Constantine came to power and decided he needed to unite his fractured empire of factions worshiping many different pagan gods, under one religion.  The Western Christian church was chosen because it had a hierarchal power structure Pope (emperor), bishops, etc, that was similar to the roman system.  The Western Christian church was also Patriarchal (completely dominated and controlled by men), as was the roman system, and Christianity approved of slavery and preached fr slaves to be good slaves.

Emperor Constantine called for what is know as the 'First Counsel of Nicea' and ordered all Christian bishops to attend.  The Gnostics were more in the Eastern empire, far away, and there were fewer of them, since they did not have a hierarchal system like the Western Church.  After the counsel, the Gnostics lost and were condemned as heretical, then all hunted down and murdered, men women and children, all hunted across the empire, and all of their writings burned, except for the set found run recent times near the Dead Sea.  And thus there were no more female priests., and women of faith were relegated to being "Brides of Christ" or Nuns, who have no official power or say in the church at all.

Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have a long history of blood and atrocities against humanity. But to be fair, it is not the teachings at fault, it is the human beings who use teachings as an excuse to commit atrocities against their fellow mankind.

Pope Innocent III proclaimed he had a vision from God that the Cathari were heretic and declared Holy War against them, killing and burning at the stake approximately 40,000 children, women and men, all in the name of God. There may have been more corrupt Popes than decent ones in the history of the Catholic church.  When 'The Little Ice Age' hit Europe, causing starvation and hardship, including the plague, attendance and donations to the church dropped in a big way. The Pope declared that witches were to blame and they set up a system to systematically murder thoudanss upon thousands of women and men (mostly women) on trumped up bogus charges of Witchcraft, all to generate panic and fear and drive people back into the church to give more money.  The same thing was done with homosexuals around AD1100. Any atrocity can be justified, as long as you do it in the name of a God.

Churches (organized religion) are more like fancy clubs with tons of rules, many of which have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus, or Mohammed, etc. Spirituality is all about your connection to your God and/or beliefs. Religion is a group affair and spirituality is an individual thing.  Religion is corrupted by mankind. How many Christians have you ever know who even try to live Christ-like? 

Jesus, based on his teachings and life in Matthew. Mark, Luke and John, would condemn bigotry against blacks, or homosexuals, or anyone else, let alone condone discrimination, torture, beatings and murder of those Christian hate. As he said, let the first without sin cast the first stone (against a woman guilty of adultery).  Christianity stood in favor of slavery and defended it, claiming black people were not even human. Christian churches actually participated in the torture of homosexuals all the way into the 1980s., and before that, it also included church sanctioned imprisonment, murders, torture and burning homosexuals at the stake.  The Christian churches invented many methods of human torture, all in the name of god.

No, I am not attacking the teachings of Jesus, but I do attack the way people practice their faith, and the harm they do around the world in the process.  a good example is how Christianity fought Condom programs and family planning programs in Africa, as the AIDS crisis took off, even after millions had died.  Back when the crisis could have been contained, Christianity fought with ever bit of their power to prevent the spread of AIDS, so the blood of millions is on there hands. Of course the churches washed their hands of the blood, like Pontious Pilot, claiming it was the sin of sex that killed them all, yet most victims were innocent spouses., which then passed to their children.

Sorry, I probably said a lot more than you wanted to hear.

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to Warrior-of-Faith [2016-06-23 13:26:25 +0000 UTC]

I love how you refuse to read. Almost you're a coward...

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Warrior-of-Faith In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2016-06-23 14:32:46 +0000 UTC]

Hello mystery man, could you clarify specifically what you meant?

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Inmyarmsinmyarms In reply to Warrior-of-Faith [2016-06-25 09:00:28 +0000 UTC]

See your previous comments

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Warrior-of-Faith In reply to Inmyarmsinmyarms [2016-06-25 09:22:35 +0000 UTC]

No need, theres nothing more to say here. It would be a waste of time... If you want to stomp your foot and demand sodomy, Im not going to get in your way! 

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Warrior-of-Faith [2016-01-24 08:00:42 +0000 UTC]

I get that you are homophobic, but it is not for you to try to force you bigoted view onto me or anyone else.  I have no problem with you believing what you want to believe, just don't try to spread your hate around.  People like you cause thousands of children to kill themselves each year, kids like these:  The Faces of Teen Suicide.  People like you tell kids that the way god made them is wrong.  Science has proven that people are born homosexual and even the Catholic Church has officially stated this in its Catechism. The brains of homosexuals are different from the brains of heterosexual.  You cannot change how you were born.  God does not make mistakes, and God Amadeus just as he intended.

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Warrior-of-Faith In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-01-24 09:26:21 +0000 UTC]

Phobe-slinging....satan is truly a devious enemy!

What I believe isnt the issue here, its your position of trying to turn people away from the Lord by contributing to the apostacy, that is the issue. The Father made us male and female, no matter how you try and spin it, women where made for men and men for women (see Genesis 2), Ive had this discussion with people before who even tried to legitimize sodomy and oral abominations...the answer is the same whether your speaking biblically or scientifically, opposite genders where made to be mates, otherwise there would only be one gender and no need for a mate to reproduce. Love and lust are two very different things despite the hippie nonsense from the 60s. We are supposed to love one another, soul mates are paired for life (be fruitful and multiply) Same genders are designed for that, its simple logic! Also look up Bio-Genesis.

The Catholic church has been corrupted from the start, full of idolatry, fornication and teaching false doctrines filled with half truths to seduce like Satan did too Eve. We where warned about them in the book of Romans chapter 1. Even the part about them turning away from the Lord and he left them to burn in their lusts for things they where not meant to do...what ever the world can hit with, it will never be like what is waiting for them in hell. 

1 Corinthians 6:9-10; 9 Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom.
 1 Timothy 1:10 , and Jude 1:7

...and the only thing different about their brains is the rubbish the world fills peoples minds with. There is a lot of blood on Satans hands for sure, did you not know that in the end times people would no longer listen to sound doctrine, and there would be an anti-Christian movement? But even though my Christian brethren died daily, just for being faithful to the Lord, at the hands of ISIS and Obamas missles, we know that these bodies are temporary and there will be reward for us who overcome the madness this final generation has inflicted upon itself.  If you truly love those around you, you would help them to be repent and not give into sin!  Let me challenge you with a piece: adventure-cat.deviantart.com/a…

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Warrior-of-Faith [2016-01-25 08:41:33 +0000 UTC]

Actually, the purpose of my series of writings on the Bible and Homosexuality, it to help homosexual Christians reconcile their faith with their homosexuality, because many end up rejecting Christianity or religion all together, due to the hate and bigotry they receive from Christians.  As I pointed out before, many Christian churches support what I say, and a number of them even perform Gay marriages, such as the Episcopalian church.  

In your quote of Corinthians, homosexuals are not mentioned.  It is you who have decided to label homosexuality as 'sexually immoral.'

Jesus Christ never once said or even hinted that he felt that homosexuality was sin or that homosexual sex was a sin.

People like you deny science and fact when it runs against your dogma. This is ignorance by choice.

Finally, as I have told others who want to debate the bible and homosexuality wth me, I used to do this regularly, but I no longer have the time.  All of my available time is spent on my volunteer counseling to youth in crisis.  In many times I have engaged in this debate, no minds are changed or influences, and the Fundamentalist Christian usually resorts to throwing out insults, inflammatory language and derogatory/bigoted statements. 

In short, it is waste of precious time I just don't have to spare.  I am sure you can find many others to debate with.  Therefore, kindly to not comment to me again.  It will lead to nothing good for either of us.

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Warrior-of-Faith In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-01-25 16:56:05 +0000 UTC]

Your ether misinformed or telling falsehoods ( www.biblegateway.com/passage/?… ) Look here too -> ( www.companionbiblecondensed.co… ) Even the New Testament tells us Jesus was there from the beginning, he was the Word of God ( www.biblegateway.com/passage/?… ) Everything that the Lord spoke was with the Word, and it was done or made law. The entire bible is inspired by and is the Word of God, Jesus said he taught his disciples everything he was given, and its al been the same from the beginning.

As for the churches that are willing to allow homosexuality, they arent of God they in fact are rebelling against him in a very notable way! There is an outcry of the soul when such sins are done, ones that reach up into heaven like in Sodam and Gamorah ( I gave you a link to the companion bible too, check it out on this as well. It has literal translations, the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is available online too for further in-depth study.)  ...and yes, homosexuality is also one of many immoralities God has been enraged over, his designs arent supposed to be changed or misused, we take too much upon ourselves thinking what we have is our own. What we have, all we have been given was by him for his delight, if you do things the Creator hates, you are not pleasing to him and will have no part in the world to come...people have to realize what and who we are dealing with, and let go of that self centered (Me myself and I attitude, this is about our Lord not them, humility...letting go of worldly lusts and being reborn into that new creature is the goal. Its not about feelings, because you cant take your body with you anymore then you can your money, car, kids, spouse or whatever you covet...the Lord decides. 

Your Finally comment: I pray you dont seek to corrupt the youth further, if your intention is to tell them it is ok to be sexually immoral in any fashion.  I realize it would be a waste of time to speak to someone who has refused to see, if people are determined to believe a lie or be removed from the truth the Lord will even help build that barrier between the two of you, so you are further removed from him and can be unleashed in your ways. We are to hate the sin and love the sinner, the Lord will deal with these things as he deems fit, my purpose is to spread the good news; that those who accept Christ as their lord and savior and follow all he has commanded us (hear his voice) will be given a crown of life. (Broad is the way that leads to destruction, but narrow is the one that leads to life)

Any who may read this, I invite you to also see where I am coming from, ( adventure-cat.deviantart.com/g… ) weight both carefully and decide. Because as the OP said, once people are set in their ways, neither will bend. So to be fair to the readers, weight both and pray to the Lord that the truth find you in this matter. 

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Warrior-of-Faith [2016-01-26 10:14:36 +0000 UTC]

I had hoped that you would honor my request to stop commenting.  I have decided to answer this, because you were so far off the mark that it begged to be corrected.  However, if you continue to send me comments, I will consider it harassment under DA rules and take action accordingly.  Separate from you being banned, I have the option of hiding any or all of your comments, if I find it necessary.

Your links are NOT to the words of Jesus. The only biblical writers who were eye-witnesses to the words of Jesus Christ were the Apostles Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.  Paul, who never met Jesus or heard Jesus talk, came afterwards.  In fact, Paul and Peter were in theological conflict.  Have your read the New Testament yourself?  Only the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are witnesses to Jesus Christ.

Therefore, when I said that Jesus Christ NEVER once even hinted at homosexuality being a sin or bad in any way, I was absolutely correct.  Carefully read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and you will see this for yourself.  I highly recommend that if you want to be a good Christian that you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ first, before all other scriptures, and also look at the overall tone and messages the words of Jesus Christ, separate from the writings of others, such as Paul, who never met Jesus or listened to the words Jesus.  Pay especially close attention to:

MATTHEW 22

36 "Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?"

37 He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.

38 This is the greatest and the first commandment.

39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

40 24 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

Jesus Christ says that ALL of the law of the Old Testament and New Testament DEPEND on those TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS.  Jesus says that the Old Testament must be interpreted using these two great commandments. 

Christians spent over a thousand years murdering, imprisoning, torturing, beating and discriminating against homosexuals, all in the name of Jesus Christ.  This was even done to children all the way into the 1980s.  Christians believed that you could change homosexuals to heterosexuals through torture, by attaching electrodes to the testicles, penis, arms, legs and torso, then electrocuting them to the point of burning the flesh and leaving permanent scars.  It is called 'Aversion therapy' and the idea ism show the boys and men nude male photographs and homosexual photos and videos (depending on the era), while electrocuting them.  It has never worked.   All claims it works have been proved false.  Some Christians (you?) believe you can commit any atrocity, as long as you do it the name of God or Jesus. Both the Catholic and Protestant churches have histories paved in blood and horrible atrocities against humanity, all done in the name of God.    

The way you talk does not sound like someone following the teachings of Jesus Christ.  I highly suggest reading Jesus Christ's words in his:
From the Sermon on the Mount, the New Testament, Matthew 5 NAB: New Law of Retaliation.
Jesus says:
38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
39 But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
40 If anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well.
41 Should anyone press you into service for one mile, go with him for two miles.
42 Give to the one who asks of you, and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow.
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.
46 For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same?
47 And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? 48 So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect.

In the Sermon on the Plain, the New Testament, Luke 6:
Love of One's Enemies.
Jesus says:
27 "But to you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
29 To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the person who takes your cloak, do not withhold even your tunic.
30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and from the one who takes what is yours do not demand it back.
31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 For if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them.
33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same.
34 If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, and get back the same amount.
35 But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.
36 Be merciful, just as (also) your Father is merciful.
37 "Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.
38 Give and gifts will be given to you; a good measure, packed together, shaken down, and overflowing, will be poured into your lap. For the measure with which you measure will in return be measured out to you."
39 And he told them a parable, "Can a blind person guide a blind person? Will not both fall into a pit?
40 No disciple is superior to the teacher; but when fully trained, every disciple will be like his teacher.
41 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own?
42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,' when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother's eye.
43 "A good tree does not bear rotten fruit, nor does a rotten tree bear good fruit.
44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not pick figs from thornbushes, nor do they gather grapes from brambles.
45 A good person out of the store of goodness in his heart produces good, but an evil person out of a store of evil produces evil; for from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.
46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' but not do what I command? 47 I will show you what someone is like who comes to me, listens to my words, and acts on them.
48 That one is like a person building a house, who dug deeply and laid the foundation on rock; when the flood came, the river burst against that house but could not shake it because it had been well built.
49 But the one who listens and does not act is like a person who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the river burst against it, it collapsed at once and was completely destroyed."You can see that Christ does not deal in absolutes, he gives guidance. When he says, "Love your enemy and do good; lend without repayment" he is not saying that it is a sin to hate your enemy, or a sin to lend money with full expectation of repayment, but if you do those things, it is taking you further away from your path to God.

It seems you would not only pass judgment , but condemn those who are homosexual, as well as discriminate against them, denying them equal rights, such as marriage, being able to hold a job and have a place to live, not be spit on by Christian Conservatives, or called derogatory or foul names.

REVIEW OF INFORMATION: 

GOD’S PLAN

Science has now proven that those who are Homosexual, Bisexual and Transgender, were born that way, and we even know part of the genetic and biologic ways that this happens.  We have even isolate part of the Gay hereditary genetic process on gene XQ28 which some refer to as a “Gay Gene,” but this is actually on one of a set.  For example, the genetic propensity to give birth to a Sexual Minority child in one gene is passed down only on the Female side of the family line, but in another it is thought to be passed down on the paternal side.

You may have wondered how homosexuality could possibly survive tens of thousands of years of evolution, since we do not produce many offspring. It turns out the genes responsible for increase fecundity (producing an abundance of offspring) in humans is also part of the XQ28 gene set.  Larger family sizes is a big factor in evolutionary survival.

Next, let us look at NATURE and the Animal Kingdom.  So far, Homosexuality has been documented in almost 500 species of animals, and 1,500 species total, showing that sexual preference is predetermined and pervasive throughout Nature.

As proof, I have posted a list of example Animals with homosexuality, such as Penguins, the entire ape family (like Bonobo Chimpanzees & Japanese Macaques), American Bison, Giraffes, Kob Antelopes, Bottlenose Dolphins, Walrus, Gray Whale, Black Swan, Guianan-Cock-of-the-Rock, Dragonflies, etc.   If homosexuality is found throughout the natural world, and if humans are born with homosexuality, then homosexuality MUST be part of God’s plan and god’s creation.  Keep in mind that 98% of Human DNA is the same as that of a Chimpanzee.

JESUS CHRIST & THE ISSUE OF HOMOSEXUALITY

The New Testament was entirely written in Coptic Greek.  There is NO word in Coptic Greek for Homosexual, because the very idea of Homosexuality did not even exist for over 1500 years after the death of Jesus.  Same-sex sex (homosexual sex) was simply considered a part of sexuality that some men and women liked to do.  Most men and women were married, although most marriages were arranged for business or political purposes, and sex outside the marriage was typical, although the culture wanted you to be discreet about it.  Some men never married at all and shared homes with other men.  They were referred to as ‘Companions.’

Homosexual sex was also very openly practiced in the military, and since most young men of standing had to go to war at some point, or be in the army, all were exposed to it. It was so prevalent that in Greece a very famous army was comprised solely of homosexual couples (called the Sacred Band of Thebes), which stood undefeated until Alexander the Great and his Father wiped them out, then raised a monument to their bravery, which stands to this day. Plato writes that a soldier would be his bravest if fighting side-by-side with his life-partner/lover, because who would shame himself before the one he loves. Spartan armies were similar, only not with fixed couples who trained together for their lifetimes.

Jesus was born into this era, as part of the Roman Empire, in Judea. Archeologists now say that Jesus was raised in an urban city that was highly populated with Roman Garrisons (army) and Citizens, and since his father was a carpenter, most of the work would have been for Romans (carpenters then were actually well paid middle class). Jesus would have been very much exposed to Roman practices in his some 34 years of life. Additionally, he would have been aware of homosexual behavior in Hebrew society, which would have been more secretive.

This has profound implications. Jesus never once said a single negative thing about same-sex sex (homosexual sex) or the people who engaged in it.  He never said it was bad, or a sin, or not to do it.  Jesus obviously spoke of many topics he believed were important, yet Jesus said nothing of homosexual sex.  Therefore, considering how prevalent homosexual sex was in Judea, and considering that Jesus must have known about it in his lifetime, yet never said it was wrong to do, the odds are very high that Jesus did not consider it wrong to do.

THE WRITINGS OF PAUL IN THE NEW TESTAMENT & HOMOSEXUALITY

All of the Translations about homosexuality in Paul, in Romans, Corinthians and Timothy his on the translation of two words in Coptic Greek and how they are paired.  Every single bad thing said about homosexuality in the New Testament is based on these two words and how they are paired.

The Coptic Greek word Arsenokoites is translated as is translated as Homosexual Offenders in 1 Corinthians, but as Perverts in 1 Timothy (New International Version Bible). As it is possible to be a heterosexual pervert, these English terms are clearly two different things.

The Coptic Greek word Arsenokoites is translated as: † Homosexual Offenders and Perverts (New International Version Bible - NIV) †  Homosexuals (New American Standard Bible, New Living Translation) † Sodomites (New Revised Standard Version, New King James Version).The Coptic Greek word Malakos is translated as:† Effeminate (King James Version, American Standard Version Bible); † Pervert (Contemporary English Version Bible); † Male Prostitutes (New Revised Standard Version Bible); † The Self-indulgent (New Jerusalem Bible).Some translations translate Malakos and Arsenokoites as one word or phrase, such as Men Who Practice Homosexuality (English Standard Version), Homosexual Perverts (Good News Bible), or Sexual Perverts (Revised English Bible, Revised Standard Version (2nd Edition).

What does Malakos actually mean? The word is widely used in Greek texts, including the New Testament. It literally means Soft and it is used like this elsewhere in the New Testament (Matthew 11:18). It can also mean Effeminate, and it is used like this in other Greek texts. Although some gay men are effeminate, the two words are not synonyms. Not all effeminate men are gay, and very few gay men are effeminate. Being Malakos also has connotations of being wanton or unrestrained. In the first century, when Paul wrote his letters, Malakos was not a term that was applied to gay men.

It is very difficult to say exactly what Paul meant when he wrote Malakos but there is no evidence that he was referring to Same-sex Relationships of any kind, and plenty of evidence that he meant something else.

ARSENOKOITES: HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS?

Although the range of translations for Arsenokoites is narrower that the range for Malakos, it is still a difficult-some would say impossible-word to translate. That difficulty can be seen in the NIV’s use of two different English words to translate it. Perverts and Homosexual Offenders are two different things. Arsenokoites is used in a handful of other Greek texts from the first few centuries after Christ, and none of them really give enough context to determine what the word means.

The Penitential attributed to ‘John the Faster’ (d 595) mentions Arsenokoites in the context of Opposite-sex Relationships:In fact, many men even commit the sin of arsenokoites with their wives.This important quotation shows that Arsenokoites cannot be translated to Homosexuals or any similar word. Please look at all of the texts that use Arsenokoites and related words. They are all available on the Internet. When the context gives any clue to the meaning of the word, none of these texts require that Arsenokoites means Homosexual or anything similar, and some, like the Penitential quoted above, show that it cannot have this meaning.

As with Malakos, we cannot say with certainty what Paul meant when he wrote Arsenokoites, but it is clear that it does not refer to Same-sex Relationships.

THE ETYMOLOGY OF ARSENOKOITES

It is tempting to look at the etymology of Arsenokoites to find out what it means. However, the etymology of a word gives only its history, not its meaning. In English for example, the etymology of the phrase lady killer suggests either a lady who kills, or a person who kills ladies, but it really means a man who knows how to charm ladies. The only reliable way to determine the meaning of a word is from how it is used, in what context it is used. The way Arsenokoites is used indicates that it does not mean Homosexual. However, the etymology of this word does give a clue (and it is no more than a clue) about what it means.

Arsenokoites is a compound word, formed from arseno- which means men, male humans, and -koiati, which refers to the penetrating partner in sexual intercourse. When these two parts are put together, forming a word meaning something like man-penetrator, it is not clear if it means a man who penetrates, or a man who is penetrated, or lady killer, or it could mean something completely different. We can get a little more context from the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament.

The word Arsenokoites appears in the Septuagint, in Leviticus 20:13: “hos an koimethe meta arsenos koiten gunaikos.” It might be the case that Arsenokoites is a contraction of arsenos koiten. If it is, then Paul possibly meant to repeat the Leviticus prohibition. That restriction is not a general prohibition of male-male sex, but is a prohibition of a specific sexual act . If Leviticus is the origin of the word, and the origin of the word gives an indication of the meaning, then Arsenokoites refers to just that sexual act, and that is a sexual act that both same-sex and opposite-sex couples can practice. John the Faster’s use of Arsenokoitia supports this suggestion. Therefore, Paul’s uses of Arsenokoites are injunctions against certain types of sexual activity, not against same-sex relationships.

CONCLUSION

I can go through every Bible passage that you claim to be about homosexuality, including leviticus and Sodom, and show how they were misinterpreted and misunderstood.  As an example, if 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 could be translated as “…homosexuals…will not inherit the Kingdom of God,” or anything like that, then this debate would be over, for the Christians at least. But Arsenokoites and Malakos can’t be translated in that way. Passages like 1 Corinthians 6:1-10 and 1 Timothy 1:9-11 have nothing to say about same-sex relationships.

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Warrior-of-Faith In reply to inspiredcreativity [2016-01-26 14:32:29 +0000 UTC]

There is no need for threats, or misusing ban features to block an opposing voice. Unless you feel your views cant stand up to a debate?  O.o

Like I said, let the people who read the work we shared, decide if it serves the Lord or themselves! If you only enforce one point of view, you also leave out an important aspect of your message. (The right to choose!)

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inspiredcreativity In reply to Warrior-of-Faith [2016-01-28 08:32:08 +0000 UTC]

I wish you all the best.  I just have no time for debate. I have a mission that is too important. I have been harassed and attacked so many times by Christian fundamentalists that banning is usually the only way to make it stop.  I do not like to do it all.  Anyway, you seem nice enough and you have been far more polite and respectful compared to many others, and I thank you for that.

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