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I don´t have that "Stringy_M" thing, where can I get it?
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It should be an option o: Do you have the full version of SAI?
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I have sai but I have no marker 2 what would you recommend to use other than that?
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You make those marker tools yourself C: that's why I included the settings. You see how SAI has empty spaces underneath the normal tools? Right click one of those spaces, click the marker tool and BAM you just created your very own custom tool C: just change the settings to the ones displayed and you can use it C:
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So sorry for the late reply been a very busy month
and thank you so much! I never knew I could even do that X'D
Now I seriously gotta try this!
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It's ok 8'D
Yeah it comes in very handy, theres a lot of great Paint Tool SAI tools on DA so if you're ever in the need of a good tool for a special purpose have a look around 8'D
It's so much fun eue
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I'm going to have to see if I can do this with acyrilic paints -3-
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Ohohoh feel free to show me when you do c8
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..........
Anyway, after that i see the grass remains having the smudged colors from the previous steps, so my best guess is that you are constantly using the color picker tool for each blade of grass so things keep consistant? ( however i don't use SAI so maybe the Marker 2 has a different dynamics regarding coloring with whatever color you started on the area you stroke on )
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Yeah it colours with whatever you start on :U geesh it would take hours if I constantly had to pick the colour
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Well.. i'd most likely switch layers, pick color, draw 
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That wouldn't work with that marker tool though :U it would look weird.
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Ehehe, maybe
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GIMP 2.8.x for the coloring and inking. Pencil and Paper for main linearts. And for what i see, SAI is aimed for it's use with tablet, a thing i don't own
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Ahh yeah true C: you can still use SAI without a tablet, it has a special tool that lets you place lines exactly where you want them, like you click where you want them and they appear there, and then you can change the thickness of the lines and even the colour u v u it's really handy for those without a tablet, or just with a really wobbly, unsteady hand.
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I guess i could give SAI a shot. Last time i tried was.... 3 years ago or so, and ran away in 1 minute ^~^" ( did not even try to draw x3 ) The interface seems badly optimized ( there is people still working with 768 horizontal lines ). But i guess there must be an UI hack for it.
Regarding it's usage without a tablet, i find it hard that a program that tries to emulate what would it be to draw in a canvas, but digitally, would adapt itself too well to good old primitive imput interfaces, such as the mouse ( and don't get me started on trackpads :3 ) probably linearts can be done ( after all, all of my linearts are vectors ) but i bet that things like shading and stuff are kinda "ugh" hehe
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There is a free trial of SAI, if you tried 3 years ago chances are it changed quite a bit since then. I can't guarantee a good quality SAI if you download it illegally or do some sort of hack :U
Anywho, SAI is great even without a tablet. Theres a special layer option specifically for it, and as for shading - cell shading works just as well without a tablet. Just smudge shading obviously doesn't work. You kind of need pen pressure for that, but I guess you could use the blur tool.
Try it before forming opinions about it, especially with "urgh" shading ;D I personally find SAI super easy to understand and use, hence why it's one of the most popular art programs C:
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Well, usually for me shading is a reduces to tons of days of low opacity layers and manual smudging and blurring with different tools ) except 3 drawings i made with a tablet that i ran out of nibs of, and because i live in spain and i got no credit card i can't do anything online, it's pretty much like i don't have a tablet.
If you look at my gallery, except for 3 drawings or so, everything it's made out in mouse. And i think it shows.
For what i've seen ( that i used SAI fof 1 minute does not mean i've read about it or seen people drawing with it for years ) SAI is still a "urgh" and absurdly complex tool. I still do not know how it is so popular though. Maybe because everybody seems to have a frigging tablet, and people forgot about those less-lucky-artists out there. So of course you will find that such a tool becomes popular.
Regarding special layer options. The GIMP comes with a ton of those, plus a copule more you can add with plugins. Also the fact you can fake preassure with twaking static brush settings ( even if to... shade a leg... you need... a whole evening, and it won't look half right even )
The gimp would seriously benefict from canvas rotating, it is probably the only thing that i'd like to see in the GIMP. ( specialyl for me, that i can only do vertical lines or diagonal "down-left" lines up to an angle of -40º )
So yeah, i know quite about what SAI can do, and i don't mean it's a bad program. just OVERLY OVERRATED
Artists like SparkLum and Nancher use GIMP on their works ( or used to ) and they did some amazing shit, thought they had drawing tablets to use... so i guess it all reduces to "you want to draw without tools whatshowever? good luck getting anywhere with nothing" kind of scenario.
However in my favour i can say i can kick the butt of many so called sprite artists, thanks to the GIMP's polyvalency :3 So there's that.
Either way. Sai seems unoptimized and some of their tools are quite destructive. ( they might alter the image in a way it degrades it's quality ) So.. yeh.
Also, Japanese menus :3
Regarding "I can't guarantee a good quality SAI if you download it illegaly or do some sort of hack :U"
Hacking is glorious. And. What's better than something free? Something Pirated. Also. Vanilla applications suck. It is not until you modify it, hack the hell out of it, change it's resources, and partly rewrite it, when it becomes SOMEWHAT usable. It's like getting something from IKEA. you get the bare structure, but it's your duty to turn it into useful furniture. For example, i can't use SAI or Krita because i run on an old monitor with 768 horizontal lines. and developers just think everyone lives on the 4K spectrum of imagery. So it's your duty to hack the hell out of the resource files and make it minimal and tiny. Or add features, or unlock hidden beta content... A program is as good as how much you can exploit it.
Being artist is not a matter of being all fancy and having everything, to me, is about doing more with less. But that's only me, i gues
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OK I'm not even sure if we're talking about the same program here anymore, but to me SAI is as easy to understand as ABC :U They really couldn't make it clearer. Theres an eraser tool, shaped like an eraser AND labeled eraser, seriously can't be hard to figure out. Same with any other tool :U Of course I don't know what SAI would look like on your obviously very old computer, but for many it's so simple I figured it out after 5 minutes. And I'm really not that great when it comes to understanding programs. I have a relatively short attention span, but Paint tool SAI was so easy :U that's why it's actually called "Easy Paint tool SAI" lol
How the heck did you manage to kill your entire pen nib package with three art pieces? :U it takes me a year to use up one. You must have pressed incredibly hard to manage that. Or worked on sand paper. idk. What kind of tablet did you have?
Maybe get a new computer, download SAI's free 31 day trial (it has all the normal functions until the trial runs out. even then you can still use it, you just can't save things) and THEN judge it C: because right now your knowledge of it seems about as accurate as my knowledge of GIMP :U I've only actually seen the GIMP program once, but I've seen it being used plenty of times. Still prefer the look of SAI, Flash, or even Photoshop :L
As to destructive tools - again, probably just your old monitor, as I've never ever had that problem, even if I use a mouse with SAI.
Japanese menus? :U did you get the English or Japanese version lol because mine is 100% English
I've never "hacked" or modified any program and it works A+ for me so I don't see any reason to do so :U you CAN get the SAI full version free somewhere, without hacking into it. I just don't know where. Plenty of people have it though. I took the legal way and just bought it, it's not that expensive. It's also easier that way :U less time, less effort.
I've seen plenty of artists making more out of less, and that's great C: great talent, good patience.
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Aditionally. The program has not been touched since 2008. so... there's that ( Well, there's the beta version released this year, but a 5 year development cycle is.... lame. Also, in 5 years they could have possibly whipped out... you know, a stable release? )
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Hmmm true o: What do you mean by stable?
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in computing, these are the main types of software development status.
Stable > Testing ( RC ) > Beta > Alpha > Nightly / Experimental Builds
SAI apparently has been in development since the early 2000's, the latest stable version is the v1.1.0, released in 37/02/2008. However, there is a beta ( 1.2.0b5 ) floating around the net ( and there is no english translation ) dated 16/03/2013. In 5 years, and given a single license costs 37 whopping euros, they should have had enough to release a stable build in 5 years, don't you think?
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Ahhhh ok C: makes sense
Yeah true :L but as long as it's fully functional I'm fine with it really it doesn't need to be perfect
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well it's fully functional it could do more <3
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Regarding that. "Easy" Paint Tool SAI should be taken with a grain of salt. That you know what your brushes are ( technically the eraser is just another brush, just different dynamics, same goes for any other "tool" ) does not mean the program will perform as it should, even if you can adjust the dynamics of said "tool".
How i killed the whole nib package? Pressing hard. I got no control over what preassure i do against any surface. also, the way i draw is not "i draw a line here". it's basically "let's do this line about 10 thousand lines, then erase it, and do it again until it looks fairly right, and then you'll just use the vector tool so you have literally done nothing". Also. Wacom Bamboo Fun G3. Before you say "but wacom literally sells the replacements for cheap". Good luck doing that without a credit card to shop online, because apparently in Spain is cheaper, and easier to get a new tablet alltogether than the replacements.
Destructive tools. for example, SAI's colorizing tool is prone to fuck up any antialiasing you've done on any lineart... and some other tools can affect the quality of the image irreversibly. ( GIMP also has some destructive tools, but they've improved quite a lot since 2009 ).
Japanese menus. You know. when i tried this software, it wasn't as mainstream as it is now. LOL. you needed to get a hack ( or edit the text yourself by opening the program with a hex editor or a tool in the veins of Resource Hacker in order to change the strings, and good luck if you don't know japanese or your OS/applications does not have full UTF-8 support for japanese characters. ). Aditionally. installed it again. still the same "good" old SAI. so nothing has changed ever since.
If you have never hacked or modified a program, you are missing a lot. Once you get used to modular programs, you will want every program to work the way you want, even if it means shoving features into the code in ways it was not supposed to. Also, not sure about now, but earlier, to get the full version it was as easy as changing a copule hex values with an editor. ( more easier, and technically effortless, and if you know where you are touching, you can get that in a copule minutes, say that to the slow electronic bank payments and long distance transfers that can take from minutes, to days. ).
Regarding paying it, or it being inexpensive. Paying for the subsequent updates does not make any program cheap at all, and it's not THAT easy to fiddle around with bank accounts ( unless you are not a poor paranoid bastard as i am ). So, yeah, "less effort" and "less time", that is VERY subjetive.
Also, if your hardware is not THAT fancy, you better be patient. :3
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Oh wow, that makes sense then I guess :U sort of like turning a sketch lineart into proper lineart then. Maybe press lighter, you really don't need to press hard. Imagine a piece of paper and a pen, grab the pen, and make a normal line on it, just a normal line. No effort at all. That's how much pressure should be used with a tablet :U not much at all, unless you're going for super thick lines, in which case, use a larger brush. For future reference ;D <3
Oh don't worry its the same here, when I got a new tablet ben it was $80 WITHOUT the shipping, urgh. Luckily I also get replacement nibs with that.
I've never come across any destructive tools, and I've basically used them in any way imaginable o: maybe sometimes the watertool goes all pixelly but that's usually fixed by exiting the program and going back in. Or sometimes the pen pressure dies and the lineart goes blocky, but for that you also just switch tabs :U But I see what you mean, even though I haven't actually come across anything major.
Yeah the original SAI is Japanese, but you can get a translated (fanmade I think) version which I use. Works just the same though. I think??? Maybe that's why I haven't experienced any of the errors/bugs?? Ah well.
Hehe I didn't actually pay for anything, my parents did :U but I'm only 16 so that's understandable.
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you are 16 and you do things that could beat my shit anytime ( however i'm 20 and i started drawing in 2010 so, lol ) :3 that's great ( in case you think i'm sarcastic, i am not ), regarding destructive tools, that's exactly what i meant, plus the colorizing tools. but yeah, an application shouldn't have those "errors". That you can "fix" them with a restart does not mean that should be tolerable.
About the preassure, i have lost many paper drawings, and broke too many pencils because no matter what i choose to draw, i can not control the preassure i do over things. or i smash the paper AND the pencil ( same with the tablet and the pen ). or i can not barely hold them with my hands from how weakly i get them. Regarding doing tons of lines, it is because i can't get the angles right or the curves, so i end up with obscenely thick lines ( for further reference, i can barely twist my wrist, and anything beyond a 40º angled line is out of my reach... )
About SAI. yeah, it has it's good things ( hell, fucking canvas rotation, i would DEFINETLY NEED THAT on my GIMP ) but otherwise, slow development cycles, and very lazily programmed interface and tools make it a pretty elitist software. however, if they still keep working on it, it will be nice to check it out every 5 years or so
Also, if you got it from the Fan English Page, ... that version is a cracked version of the 1.1.0 version, so that's weird ( even so, still not worth 37€ lol )
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Ahaha well art takes time and I've been doing it for years :L and they do say that its easier to learn art the younger you are, you improve faster and take things in better. Apparently :U
What is wrong with your hands? o: How can you not control pressure, illness, disability? Other?
Canvas rotation is the best fff couldn't live without it
Yes I did, and I don't really remember how much it cost, $60-70 I think :U
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Well, i have been always inhibited until i wanted to fight off the system. Regarding my hand, it's kind of a disability, i got a poor motor system... ^~^ Regarding canvas rotation, i definetly agree.
And maybe back in the day costed a lot though 51.14 is... expensive. to me at least ^w^
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Yeah... it's kinda sucky. BUT IM ALIVE! *dances, then falls*
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I get it until you go until you get to the second marker step. you are using the BG color to do the grass shape?
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since it's all one layer, the marker tool automatically uses the first colour you touch and draws with that C:
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ohh bushes, I read brushes :U yeah it does. Also fur tree leaves.
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Grass tutorial
-Go outside
-Grab tussock of grass
-Slap it on the paper
-Dance the dance of victory
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WOW I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT, SO MUCH MORE EFFICIENT
instant realistic grass
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