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Gotham-1 In reply to Jeris82 [2009-11-10 19:07:53 +0000 UTC]

it wasn't you.

I just didn't realize when I had my old page up that all the favs were basically people who collect "How to's"

again I don't really have a problem with people checking out the work and maybe using some of the stuff.

I guess maybe because I am so driven I assume that everyone is the same way....but a lot of people (and it's such a crappy generalization) but are lazy, don't know what is right and wrong....and might steal or copy the stuff I am doing.

I just have to be careful what I post in terms of break downs.

look for you here's my advise.

you have some skills..but you probably haven't worked as hard as you could. And that's fine. that's an "everyone" issue. Everyone wants stuff and most of us (myself included) haven't worked at it.

Maybe the word isn't even "hard enough"

but FOCUSED enough.

It's NOT a speed race, and it's also NOT something you can do a crash course in.

If that pic of you with the muscles is you. You didn't get those muscles by hitting the gym a week straight doing massive reps. You build it up over a period of a couple years (or at least a year)

same goes for drawing.

There is NOTHING wrong with practicing and re-practicing stuff.

think of it like an Olympic sport.

we haven't even made the team....we are at home trying to get to the point where our bodies just respond to the call of "hey can you get up, and kick the ball around"

don't put the cart before the horse.

you need to just sit down every day for 4 or 5 hours and work PATIENTLY at this stuff....it will take months to get comfortable...so be ready to evaluate what you are doing, say in February. Not in 3 weeks.

like I said, I've pounded at this say 5 times. and failed in one way or another each time. The first time I ONLY did these finished very illustrative pieces, people really liked the work, I had job offers coming in, people wanted to buy the original art, it was really cool....but the reality was I didn't have the chops I needed to draw anything.

The next time I had at it..was more what I am doing now....so this is either my third (think it is my third) serious strike at anatomy and creative figure construction.

I am still using a lot of reference to do this stuff....I can draw the figures without it...but I use it like training wheels. I want to get going faster and faster (which is why I draw more for speed than quality and pretty finished work)

I already can do stuff nice if I go slow....I want to be able to draw it where someone goes draw me "this" and can get something cool down in a few minutes....not a few hours, and I need to find reference, and I need to struggle through this and the size, you know all that.

I came back because I want to keep working and I feel a lot like you do right now...the last few days have sucked balls for me.

I needed to just re-focus, not worry about who might be faving all this crap, and get back to working on what I need to work on.

I think also I was feeling some pressure to deliver finished work for a few people who knew that's where this is heading...

I really did come here to work on basics, and then more advanced stuff as I got more confident.

I really need to spend several more weeks basically working on the SAME exact stuff I've been doing because I don't (DO NOT I repeat) have this stuff down as well as I need to)

so I am right there with you...as much as you might think I am sailing through all this.

I really am not. I've just put more work into than you might have (just a guess) but again if you REALLY devote 3 to 5 hours a day and don't screw around...in 3 to 5 months you will be better at this stuff.

doing a few slow drawings that look nice might be satisfying but again and I'll use the sports analogy.

You aren't going to get HUGE drawing balls, doing one set of pretty curls.



got it

?

I know you want this. You can't rush right now. Do your reps. and worry about the result a few weeks from now.

!

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Jeris82 In reply to Gotham-1 [2009-11-15 02:30:40 +0000 UTC]

Yea I am trying, not 4-5 hours a day yet, more like 2 1/2 - 3 1/2. It is one of my flaws, but I think I have add too, my eyes shake sometimes when I try to concentrate when I become disinterested. Drawing and art in general has always been something that held my attention though, as long as my piece is going well. Which unfortuantely isnt always the case.

I feel like anything anyone else can do, I need to be able to do better and I know I can't right now. Some of my idols are way better than me and that makes me pretty competitive. I would like to think that I can do it if I just stick to it and believe in myself. Like when you said you do those sketches in like 3-5 minutes, I was like "Ah damn, what!?" cause I know it would take me longer to do something similar. I'm not sure if I should worry about speed so much but, I feel like I do a little at least. I think I can do some stuff on another artists level but it just takes me longer.

I haven't even been posting stuff on here cause it all feels like practice and I am not completing anything but I do feel like I am learning more, which is what I am focusing on for the time being at least. I can sit down and detail the shit out of something but I want to have a better basic idea, shape and flow first, to make it even better. All of my stuff lately is just sketches basically, WIP.

Back to work.........................!!!

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Gotham-1 In reply to Jeris82 [2009-11-15 07:21:53 +0000 UTC]

each person is different.

It's not like I could do this before I worked up to it.

and all those art school and gnomon type guys would blow me out of the water doing this exact same thing...so it's all relative.

I go over to conceptart.org right now, I am basically a non entity. I've seen the quality of the better artists over there...I've got several years to even hope to get to that point. The best stuff over their is a very high caliber and they've got a lot of experience and tricks up their sleeves. I am just learning the fundamentals...I've got a small bag of tricks I haven't shown yet...but I don't color in PS and stuff very well yet/

so everyone has their work to do,

those artists who are light years past us...they have their own fish to fry. It never ends...(isn't that a fun thought)

Just work on all the things you need to do.

that's all you can do.



you'll be fine,

slow and steady.

but mostly steady and consistent practice I think is a real thing I'd missed on. I'd stop drawing...and even if I sucked 80% of the time during those breaks BUT I still kept drawing, I'd STILL be ahead of where I am now.


so NO breaks.

even on your worst day,

grind it out.

!

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Jeris82 In reply to Gotham-1 [2009-11-15 09:20:38 +0000 UTC]

I try but damn, some days I just need to re focus it seems, or relax and not kill myself with pressure.

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Jeris82 In reply to Gotham-1 [2009-11-09 08:19:33 +0000 UTC]

Oh yea btw.............. what made you think of that issue?

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Gotham-1 In reply to Jeris82 [2009-11-10 07:15:29 +0000 UTC]

with the hand?

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Jeris82 In reply to Gotham-1 [2009-11-10 16:02:42 +0000 UTC]

yea the hand was the wrong pic.

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