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A comprehensive list of minor Hetalia characters that are, might or might not be official and about which we don't know much. Art by Himaruya-san.For Hetalic Maps of their locations on Earth go here .
Updated: 27/July/2014. Removed Chzekia and Slovakia whose look had been given officially.
The forgotten ones
Characters who showed up once or twice at the beginning of Hetalia and then never appeared again.
The unnamed ones
Characters who showed up recently as official ones but weren't given a name yet
The speculated ones
Characters who showed up in Hetalia sketches and or pictures but whose name wasn't given or whose look wasn't confirmed as official.
The 'Hetalia Gakuen only' ones
Characters who showed up in the first version of Hetalia Gakuen and then never again.
The forgotten and unnamed ones
Characters who showed up once or twice at the beginning of Hetalia, were left unnamed and then never appeared again.
The 'are they Hetalia characters?' ones?
Characters who appeared in study sketches for the Hetalia Gakuen African uniforms alongside with characters that seemed to be part of the 'Hetalia Gakuen' cast and random characters that showed up on Himaruya's blog. It's unknown if they were going to be included in 'Hetalia Gakuen' or 'Hetalia' or not.
The 'mentioned only' ones
Characters Himaruya-san mentioned but never draw.
The speculated ancient ones
Characters who're supposed to be ancients and whose identity wasn't revealed.
The 'mentioned only' ancient/old ones
Characters representing nations that don't exist anymore and that were only mentioned.
The 'might be someone we already know' ones
Characters who might have been past versions of characters we already know... or not. Sometimes Hetalia characters have odd evolutions.
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I can't find it, sorry. He was in the one in which we saw a nation that worked as a pirate with England against Spain and that showed up in France's memory when he told Seychelles he knew how real pirates were. I hope this can help you track it down. Note that his name wasn't stated, that he's Haiti is just my assumption.
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Didn't Himaruya Mentioned Malta, Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia? somewhere in Oct of 2011-12
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He said he was requested more than once to draw them but that's all. They weren't referenced in strips or in the first Hetalia game, nor he gave them as already existing (Vatican for example was planned long ago and he claimed to have drawn him many time but that he never had the chance to introduce him). Due to this I didn't include them. They're just requests but I've no idea if he's working on them. With 'mentioned ones' I intended the one who were mentioned either in the manga or were declared 'in work' and a small description of them was given. I hope now it's more clear (said so I would really love to see Malta, Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia).
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Ahhh So that's why, Somehow I already thought they where in his mind or plans to introduce them... I was super excited when India had his debut in 2011...
Thanks~
I hope to see them as well.. Nothing makes me happy to see New characters in hetalia
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Hmmm... Do you have any theories on the people who where with Vietnam and Thailand's group during the Halloween Event of 2011??
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It might be he also started to plan them but so far he made no effort to introduce the idea he has beyond saying they were requested.
Sometimes he introduced new characters we had no idea he was planning... sometimes instead it takes a lifetime for him to introduce a character he was planning so it's really hard to say.
Same here, though I personally prefer them to be countries not historical characters.
Assuming they're countries, since they're in Vietnam and Thailand's group and groups tend to go by connections 2 of them could be Laos and Cambodia as they're close to them. No idea about the third. Philippines? Malaysia? Brunei? Indonesia? But I could be completely wrong and they could be different countries that in the past were connected to Thailand and Vietnam instead tahn just neighbouring countries. If they're countries at all. I'm not even sure if they're in Vietnam's group or just people around her.
Honestly, if they're countries I would have preferred if Himaruya-san had told us. Sometimes I don't really understand why he's so mysterious.
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The Ancient Egypt one, I think she is and I am not guessing, Hima drew her with little Egypt
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Yes, I like to think that draw confirmed her but I'm not 100% sure. Let's wait and see if we'll get more...
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Non avevo mai sentito parlare di America nativa e nemmeno di Croazia e Haiti...toglimi un dubbio...ma sono i personaggi che Himaruya presenta nel numero 5 del manga? (mi riferisco ai primi 3).
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No, a parte l'ultima riga (i 'potrebbero essere qualcuno che conosciamo già') i personaggi qui riportati non sono ancora comparsi nei volumetti. Una menzione speciale merita la seconda riga (i senzanome) dove quel personaggio non è ancora comparso nei volumetti ma probabilmente lo farà nel numero 7 visto che è su uno degli ultimi numeri di Birz.
I 'dimenticati' America Nativa, Tibet e Mongolia erano tutti comparsi nella versione webcomic. Mongolia era apparso anche in un vecchio disegno natalizio sugli asiatici (forse anche Tibet, non ricordo).
Quelli su cui si specula sono comparsi su Kitayume in schizzi, strisce o eventi. Il problema con loro è che o la loro identità non è stata confermata (per cui si crede che siano la nazione X ma non si è sicuri) o il loro design non è confermato (per cui Himaruya ha detto una cosa tipo 'Scozia potrebbe essere così') o entrambi (Himaruya ha postato dei disegni senza spiegare chi o cosa sono e dall'abbigliamento o da altri fattori si è pensato che potrebbero essere la nazione X).
Nel caso di Croazia lui era in una striscia con Turchia. Non viene detto il suo nome ma viene spiegata la sua ammissione all'EU. Siccome le circostanze combaciavano con quelle della Croazia si è pensato alla Croazia.
Haiti è ancora più nebuloso. In un evento Seychelle si è vestita da pirata e Francia dice di fare attenzione perché lui conosce i pirati originali. Sopra di lui compaiono le teste di Inghilterra, Danimarca, Norvegia e di una nazione senza nome. Nota che compare qualcuno simile a lui nel webcomic quando si parla di pirati che davano fastidio a Spagna mentre andava in America.
Siccome i pirati più popolari oltre a quelli Inglesi, Danesi e Norvegesi che si trovavano su quella rotta erano i pirati dei Caraibi e che questi avevano una base sull'isola di Tortuga ora parte del territorio Haitiano si pensa possa essere Haiti.
Il suo nome però non è mai stato confermato e molti non si sono fatti nemmeno domande su chi possa essere.
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a parte che ignoravo completamente l'esistenza di un qualsiasi volume (devo averli...tutti...dove si possono trovare?! XD e inoltre mi potresti dare il sito del webcomic por favor?). waaa! tutte queste nazioni sconosciute!! A Himaruya piace fare il misterioso...XD
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4 dei 6 volumi di Hetalia correntemente esistenti sono stati pubblicati dalla J-pop. Non so cosa aspettano a pubblicare il 5 e, a questo punto, se pubblicheranno il 6.
Il primo webcomic è orrendo, disegnato malissimo, pieno di errori storici ed in gran parte completamente ricorretto nel primo volume. Persino Himaruya deve essersi reso conto di qualcosa perché mancano delle pagine, probabilmente censurate. Personalmente non lo consiglio ma capisco che per un fan possa essere interessante leggerlo.
Comunque l'Hetarchive ha scansioni del primo webcomic, delle strisce successive, di alcune strisce censurate e degli eventi che Himaruya posta/ha postato sul suo sito. Le strisce successive sono visivamente meglio (specialmente le ultime) e contengono meno errori storici (purtroppo ci sono sempre). Una parte di loro è stata poi pubblicata nei volumetti. Purtroppo lìHetarchive non ha più le scansioni dei volumetti in quanto la Gentosha ha contattato il sito intimandogli di rimuoverle.
Spero che questo ti sia d'aiuto!
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grazie mille per il sito uff! però potevano anche evitare di fargli togliere i volumi...
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Di niente! Beh, è una questione di diritti, le scansioni sono definitivamente illegali purtroppo... e evidentemente loro puntavano a vendere Hetalia anche all'estero per cui le scansioni sono considerate un danno. Si vocifera persino che ci siano loro dietro al lungo periodo di assenza di Himaruya dal suo web. Comunque, fra le notizie positive sembra che la J-pop pubblichi/abbia pubblicato il volume 5 visto che è possibile ordinarlo sul loro sito.
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Ma sì, dai, siamo ottimisti!
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Ecuador è carinissimo, spero diventi ufficiale ;w;
Anche gli antichi "nuovi" non sono male!
Poveretti i "dimenticati", invece! XD
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Lo spero anch'io!
Se solo almeno gli desse un nome... diciamo che per Grecia, Egitto e Bisanzio sono abbastanza sicura ma temo che Cartagine sia in realtà la rappresentazione degli Unni o dei Magiari...
Odio questa cosa in cui butta fuori dei personaggi e non dice chi sono così dobbiamo speculare... e magari li lascia lì per anni e poi pure si dimentica di loro... Anche adesso... non l'ha mica detto se Portaogallo e Lussemburgo sono Portogallo e Lussemburgo... che problema c'era a confermarlo? Ma qui va già bene... nel caso dell'amica di Seychelles ancora non si sa chi diavolo è e non si riesce nemmeno a speculare in modo effettivo a riguardo...
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Ci prova gusto a lasciare nel dubbio i fan, probabilmente è_è
Confesso che di molti personaggini mi ero dimenticata ^^" (anche perché ultimamente la mia attenzione andava solo ai miei preferiti, ahah X\\D)
Degli antichi comunque, spero che li tenga buoni, soprattutto trovo carine Egitto e Grecia.
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Bah, io la trovo una cosa stupida. Insomma, cosa cambia se Lussemburgo ha questa pettinatura o quella di prima? Non è che si cura di dargli una pettinatura tipica lussemburghese o che ha un particolare significato. Basta che non sia brutto e che sia riconoscibile. E qual'è la valenza di non dire chi è l'amica di Seychelles? Tanto per quella striscia non ha nessuna importanza che sia Etiopia o Libia o che so io per cui perché non dirlo?
E che dire di quelli che presenta a caso senza dire il nome o fargli fare qualcosa per cui i fan non possono nemmeno dire oh, sì, mi sembra una faccia adatta ad Albania od ad Haiti e uno sta lì a dire 'beh, ha parlato di Albania quindi sarà Albania' oppure 'l'ha messo tra le nazioni pirata e quindi dovrebbe rappresentare i pirati dei Caraibi che stavano a Tortuga che ora è in Haiti...'
Ho sempre odiato, e questo in tutte le serie, quando ad un personaggio non viene dato un nome (le CLAMP sono sulla mia lista nera anche per questo).
Onestamente io voglio più antichi. Odio la relazione fra Germania e Roma e Roma interagisce solo con lui quindi ogni volta che c'è Roma finisco col beccarmi anche Germania. Vorrei che Roma avesse altri personaggi con cui relazionarsi. Per cui spero proprio negli antichi... ma anche qui non capisco perché non ne ha detto il nome. Mah...
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Aaach, god! >_<
These minor characters drive me nuts!
Especially the ever blushing Scotland with no face!
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Well, let's hope they'll stop being so mysterious soon. I'd like for Himaruya to confirm them at least...
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True >:
Though I think that there's a new sketch of Portugal and Luxembourg...
A sketch which I can't find =A=
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Yup, for Portugal and Luxembourg I used the faces on those sketches. You can find them on Himaruya-san's blog, along with pictures of Equador. I'm sorry but I don't remember the exact post so you'll have to check through them... ^_^;;;
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Ecuador... owo!
But I also have to ...redo my Luxembourg? =_= You know, from my recent mapping of the world.
Or other tasks.
But I don't have the time and nerves to always repeat what I do. Same with Moldova who has appeared on the last halloween.
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Well, you don't have to redo them if you don't want to. It really depends on how much 'Hetalia accurate' you want your map. Some are perfectly happy with just declaring they used OC to represent certain nations. For example I saw more than once people using Tix's Yugotalia characters with no problems.
After all we aren't 100% sure about the identity of the guys I put on the speculated guys. Himaruya didn't say those were Haiti, Morocco or Albania or Portugal or Luxembourg or... anyone else, it's just likely they are but we don't even know if that's the definitive look. As for Ecuador, he said it's Ecuador but didn't confirm this will be his official look so... it's all up to speculation.
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Ah yea.. yugotalia.
I have been asked to use those as well, but I am not on vacation >;
And it really pulls my nerves that Himaruya never seems to get things clear. I mean after all he is japanese. When you give a japanese person a job, he would do it 150 percent ;A;
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I think that's just a stereotype based on the fact they're often forced to do so by the setting their live in.
Japan can force you to do your best and more than it... but this doesn't mean that, if you aren't forced, you would still do it.
Think at CLAMP. They've got plenty of series which with an excuse or another left unfinished.
Kazushi Hagiwara refused to work at the same rhythm of the other mangaka so that Shueisha had to find another working solution for him. Personally, although his art improved greatly now that he had more time, the structure of the work became slow and boring, the characters weren't well introduced and he made a mess with the volumes.
Glass no Kamen had been left on hold for years.
Haruhiko Mikimoto instead was used to say when he worked at Macross he'd been forced to work at a terrible rhythm and an episode of Maho no Princess Minki Momo was even devoted to show how hellish life of animators was back then.
Mirai no shonen Conan in the beginning was a flop because Miyazaki, who's the Japanese Disney, didn't respect the schedule... although he did it because each episode had to be perfect so he could even force everyone to redo the job.
I think the thing with Himaruya is... he created Hetalia for fun, not for work, when he wasn't forced to give 150% but only what he wanted to give which could be 150% or 1% according to his mood and... never really changed his mind.
He does things other authors don't do, like the events which requires lot of work... but then also do things that can be considered more... lazy, like reporting things as facts wihout really checking their source and if things really went that way or it was only a gossip/joke, he draws characters that abandones or that go nowhere or that are left undeveloped or forgotten. The story, despite theoretically being based on history, has no plot nor continuity but it's bent according to how confortable he is.
History has been stepped over more than once without him admitting/realizing it.
He likes to be free to retcon things (or judge the public's reaction to them before making them official) so he often keeps things vague and unclear so as to retcon them better.
It's... hard to judge him. As a professional he could do more in many things but he also could do less in many others. And if you're happy or not with what he does depends mostly on what interest you the most.
As far as I'm involved I hate how he left some things unsaid (and the history errors! the history errors!) but that's just me. I'm also very grateful though for the time he spend making an event. It's not so easy as it can seem and nobody forces him to keep one.
So really, it's hard to judge things.
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Mmh... you think Himaruya isn't forced enough to do it?
But he mentioned he would travel to the places where he is said to make characters from. So I have hopes that charas like portugal and scotland will come. It would be funny if he'd just call it a 'big brother update' <3
I'll be so screaming when he releases Scotland finally >u<
Oh? o:
I don't know so many series of Clamp. ...Really just the very old things like card captor sakura, magic knight rayearth and rg veda.
Hetalia is unstoppable. He would know that by now =w=
The halloween event this time was rather... long, I found. But I never followed it really. I lost track of it >;
Also I am not as interested anymore, since the halloween costumes and the theme this time seem not as flashy. France for example just wears a suit and goes with a French actress. My fave is still the 2010 costume where he is a ghost.
Ah, yea D:
The history errors are unforgivable! I hope he stops doing that... ;_;"
Especially when the auld alliance comes up. And this alliance will come up >_<"
On the other hand, Himaruya really should not be alone doing this project. Has he not said that he had a friend that looked and acted like Germany? Things like that could be helpful...
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Yes, in a way he's very free in how to handle Hetalia, in the sense he doesn't have to forcefully add new characters each... let's say ten months. When he wants to he can add 1 or a dozen of new characters and no one tells him if they've to be ancients, micronations, ex-states or existing countries of continent X.
As what matters the most for Japanese authors are Japanese viewers they might have requests but I doubt they really have that marked preferences about the other states and, in Himaruya's case, if they were really that important, he would have finished the Japanese prefectures by quite a while by now as they're probably what interest the Japanese audience the most.
Well, CLAMP left unfinished Hagunsei Senki (they did only 4 chapters!), X, CLAMP Gakuen Tantei Dan (but due to the manga episodic structure that didn't seem to go anywhere it wasn't a real problem), Shin Shukanden, Clover & Gate 7. Deliberately risked to leave Kobato unfinished and left on hiatus Gohou Drug for a lifetime and only recently resumed it... in another manga Drug and Drops. Also the ending of Tsubasa and xxxHOLiC were so open they felt as unfinished (and disappointed many fans) and maybe that's why they now started a new xxxHOLiC series.
I'm not so sure. The fandom... seems to be smaller than it used to be. Quieter. Although Hetalia, due to its structure, might be continued ab infinitum if it slowly lose its readers and becomes a flop will end up being stopped.
Events used to be long... but also updated more regularly. It was amazing as there were really lots of updates and he seemed to lose sleep to draw them. Now... the event is still unfinished and there's an update here and there and it's often a 'request' or so it's said.
I don't know if he'll stop. First stopping would require a lot of extra work in studying history from in deep books, second, doing as he pleases allows him to respect the characterizations he created, a thing that would be hard to keep as nations' feelings and behaviour tend to change through history according to their rulers and their conditions and to increase the humoristic factor by using gags instead than real facts. Third, there are too many people who don't know about history so they can't realize his mistakes or don't care about them so he misses a strong fanbase that however requires him to be more historically correct.
All in all, as long as he avoids historical errors that can cause diplomatic troubles like in Korea's case, I think he feels free to do as he prefers.
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I don't think that stopping requires alot of work. Not for him. He could just drop his blog and get over with. Even most awesome people can come and say 'I have to be mature, get a real job and stuff... so I quit.'
Hetalia started off as an online thing, you actually hardly get stuff in real stores. I was in Paris last week, they have many more anime stores than in Germany and I saw nothing of Hetalia o.o"
The question is if Himaruya finds whether hetalia makes enough money or not. At some point it's a question of business and money. I also heard rumours he started a different series.
In clamp's case I could also see that when they have many series running, they see the numbers of which series run good, which are bad. If they're all equally good, they can just chose what they like to do.
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I'll clarify: I don't think he'll stop making lot of historical errors. He might quit drawing Hetalia at any time, unless he has an agreement with Gentosha that's really binding, a thing I seriously doubt.
Well... Hetalia is a real work for him, work for which I think he gets an awesome amount of money considering all the Hetalia gadgets.
I don't know about Paris but I know there are a lot of gadgets of any kind about Hetalia in Japan. Maybe here in Europe shops don't feel like exporting them or have troubles doing it. I go to anime conventions and only some reaches them.
Well, that's not the first time he start a different series but I think most really depend on if he can make money with the new series. Honestly I think Hetalia has very nice draws out of late but I'm not sure it would have gotten so popular hadn't it involved country personifications so I've no idea if Himaruya can make another series that can compete with it.
If this was the case I would still find it unprofessional (unless it was the editor who were to force them to drop it for poor selling) but I would understand. X/1999 however was and is still considered very good by whoever read it and people had kept asking for them to continue, while they had kept promising they would do and then... simply do something else. Also CLAMP's general attitude with their works is more the attitude of fanfic writers, who start a fic on an idea they like and then came up with a different project and drop the fic they were writing to devote to the new project, than of serious professionals who plan a story and do their best to finish it. It's also annoying how they wait a lifetime before announcing they're not going to continue what they put on hold. It feels like they wait for the readers' expectations to drop before doing it so there would be no complains. Clover was put on hold in 1999 but only this year they declared they aren't going to continue it! Before on their web it was labelled as ongoing but temporally on hold. And it's hard to believe they wouldn't find someone who would print their on hold stories as they're quite popular.
To make up for it they continued a series they had finished while sort of admitting they had no idea how to continue it. And now they're making another... I don't even know if to call it sequel as it includes the same characters but the events seem to be placed in the middle of the series, however there are differences from the original series so... is it an AU? No idea...
Conforting enough it seems they too had admitted they don't understand the plot of their longest work. Why is it conforting? Because no one could understand it but since it seems the authors don't understand it as well, maybe we weren't supposed to.
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If Himaruya quits or remains doing Hetalia... the thing won't die easily.
What just annoys me are bad oc's about it. Like a Mount Everest that had been abandoned as child and has such cold eyes~ =A=
I bet you know such shitty oc's
Then I'm glad I never been this much into Clamp's art.
It was rather so that I stopped buying their manga's. Now I don't buy mangas at all.
Do you wish clamp would continue their work?
What do you think of their tsubasa reservoir chronicle thingy? The one in which Shaolan has to find feathers (I think) ?
I find stories interesting that doesn't seem to have an end. Like stories in which the main character or the main group has to find something. You could weave that story for eternity.
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As far as I could notice Himaruya's long absence had caused the APH fandom to get smaller and quieter. Sure, Hetalia is still going strong enough but Hetalia is still ongoing and yet it's nothing like it was before. Some fandoms remains alive for some years after a series end so I don't expect the Hetalia fandom to die immediately if Hetalia were to end... but I think if it'll end the fandom will slowly follow it.
There's plenty of bad OC but the problem is that many people just want to do a character with certain characteristics and take the name of a place as excuse. In short their OC isn't a personification of a real, existing place but a fantasy character, or worse, a Mary Sue, who incidentally got the name of a place they know nothing or very little about.
Bad OC exist in all the fandoms but in Hetalia they're more... noteworthy as they end up involving real places so they're seen mostly as an insult on those places... and what's worse is that, as Hetalia contains wrong personifications, people can even feel excused and not offensive at all. Take a joke, they'll say, after all this is Hetalia.
Some of their interrupted works had a really intriguing plot and characters... however seeing how they handled the ending of some of their series I'm afraid the ending we didn't get to see could be... as poor as their latest ones.
Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE started with an intriguing plot and some awesome characters... and ended up as having a plot so confusing it's impossible to explain it and a ending that's... well, to put it mildly, something I would consider a poor job even for a teenager fanfic writer not mentioning that's their first work in which the bad guy... has no characterization at all, apart form being a guy with a goal that's considered bad. And there's plenty of 'comprimary' characters who're tossed in at random to do important stuffs for... no explained reason at all. A nice guy all of sudden exterminated all his people for... basically unknown/impossible to understand reasons. A girl betrays the bad guy and helps the hero paying with her life for... unknown/impossible to understand reasons. And it's rumoured not even CLAMP themselves understood it so how where readers supposed to understand?
No, I'm sorry but TRC became a waste of money. Either CLAMP was in a rush and did a sloppy job or at a certain point they really had no idea what they were writing. There are so many lose ends it gets impossible to count them all, and intere chapters devoted to stuffs we could care less or that recycle old plots.
It's a poor job through and through.
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Ah, when it is about that... nothing is like it was before.
Maybe things are getting worse. I see more of those fans that are... that create hideous OC's with green or blue streaks of hair, two colour eyes and all so deeply in love with that one main character D;
It's really just for their own benefit. They try to make Hetalia an anime like what they are used to
12 - 15 year olds that try to live up some high school romance.... *dies*
I guess you get what I mean x'3
Still you find the good guys that really put effort in their creatings and try to search the true way of Hetalia (and why Hetalia should be different and no high school anime). You just have to prepare for a long journey when you look for those people D;
...I lost interest after the first volume of Tsubasa Reservoir~, to be honest.
I was just annoyed by the recycled characters. I didn't want that.
I think the glorious days of clamp are over when they come up with something like this.
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Well, they're young and I remember when Hetalia started to become popular there was a huge war between supporters of 'use Hetalia to tell real history and represent countries as they really are' and 'use Hetalia as it is, to tell silly stories and yaoi romance respecting Himaruya's characterization'...
so even back then things weren't that nice...
and I think OC became really, really popular when Himaruya started disappearing and therefore less and less new characters were produced. Before people was patient because they hoped Himaruya would just create them... now they're tired to wait and feel allowed to create whatever they want the way they want it.
I didn't mind much the recycled characters as I'm fond of AU. The problem was the plot. I saw 12 years old create better plots and without recycling so much of their old plots. There were whole arcs that were a waste of time, recycled characters with no decent background or characterization, tossed in merely because 'the fans love them', new characters who suffered the same problem, stuffs that happened at random, an abuse of clones and twins and plenty of commercial tricks that got me sick.
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I think that kind of war is still going. Between those more grown up ones and the so-called 'weeabos'. But you have that in every fandom. Those that are more realistic and draw potential and those that just want boy-on-boy sex (when they are in real tiny girls!!)
But yea, Himaruya has let us down.
Reminds me of so many friends on the internet... they just 'disappear' for a month or more without leaving a trace. Then I grow desperate and unpleased. I just can't keep hanging in mid-air forever.
I wrote an ass long arc with just two characters. And then the potential of the AU, I still keep bringing up plots.
I wish I had another rp'er who'd help me, but all that there is is those weeabos. It's like wanting to drive down a smooth road and there's too many pebbles in the way.
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Well, Himaruya might be busy with work... or it might be his editor who's not happy with Himaruya giving so many goodies for free.
But yes, I find his disappearence Very Annoying expecially considering now we've 2 unfinished... let's call them arcs, instead than just one.
I would have preferred if instead than starting the Halloween event he had tried ending the old Christmas event.
Though I know I have to be grateful for what we got.
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We always have to be grateful for what we get.
Yet I never am too tired to build out the characters.... on facebook on rp.
I add things, details to Francis... and now newly to Scotland as I am rp'ing as him. It is turning out quite sweetly x3
Do you have a character you stick with mostly?
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I focus mostly on the Italies but in a way I don't stick with the Italies Himaruya created, I just use their chara design.
Himaruya's Italies are pretty far from how Italians are in the good and in the bad sides... and their history doesn't quite much with Italy's history... and they don't even fit in the genre of characters I like so... you can say I stick with an alternate version of the Italies.
It's not a matter of fleshing them out better, for me they should be mostly redone, starting from the names (both humans and national) and ending with their personal history and linking/disliking.
I like APH Prussia/Teutonic order though, but since I seriously doubt he matches how Prussians/Teutonic knights were I'm wary to touch him.
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Hm.
I also find that alot of the designs are good, but you can forget about the rest.
Francis Bonnefoy could sound more French... for example, why Francis and not Francois? Just because the Japanese have a problem with it?
The more I approach on hetalia, the more I get the impression that it's not meant for people outside Japan (and this is pretty antisocial.)
You can't just take what is not yours and keep it inside some borders. Nations are there for everyone. I wouldn't like it when someone takes my country (Germany), throws it into the gutter, makes fun of it and then tells me off. This is just... NO. Even when I hate my country.
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Might be, as APH was, in fact, created for the Japanese people and not for the world. Think at the names of the Italies.
Romano is the south and represent the Kingdom of the two Sicilies, which has never included Roma who's in the center so a Napoletano would have been more fitting. Veneziano represents the north but the whole Chibitalia saga usually depict the history of the Duchy of Milan and, apart from a short strip introduced as a oddity, it has nothing in common with the history of the Republic of Venice so a Milanese should have been more fitting. But Venice and Rome are the most popular cities and Venezia-no and Roma-no might sound like from Venice and from Rome in Japan so Himaruya went for them. As for the human names they're even more ridicules. Vargas isn't an Italian surname, it's Spanish and, although we've a nearly neglegible leftover of Vargas it clearly feels off. I'll concede Feliciano, which has fallen mostly out of use but it's still Italian but Lovino is the American version of Lavinio, which had also fallen out of use.
Why not to use names like Italo, Francesco, Mario, Marco, Giuseppe, Dante, Gabriele, Michelangelo instead than going for something like that?
Because in Japan they wouldn't notice the names aren't Italian and so where's the problem?
But that's not a problem only Japan has. When someone suggested Rosa and Alice as names for the Italian female versions of Veneziano and Romano someone complained they were Spanish and English names, ignoring that they're also rather popular Italian names (although Alice is pronunced differently in Italian) and wanted to go for Lovina... which is not an Italian name!
Well, you've to keep in mind APH history. It was meant as a joke between Japanese people at the start, and Himaruya likely didn't think foreigners would go and read it. Sadly each country has its own racistic jokes about other countries and Hetalia more or less was supposed to be one of them. Even when APH became more popular it was supposed to be printed in Japan only, recicled the old gags and likely the editor, as all the Japanese editors, required for it to have success among the Japanese and, if it were to make out of Japan, it would have been an added bonus... but not a given so Himaruya was likely asked to focus on stuffs that would interest Japan.
The theoretically cool part of APH was that due to his blog and the events Himaruya could keep in touch with the not-Japanese fandom, and see their reactions and interests also and, if possible, add them to the mix. The focus though, likely remained Japan, ironically represented by the fact that Cameroon got a character only due to the fact his team was in the same group as Japan (Holland was planned by a long time so I won't say it's just for that, though this might have speed up Himaruya).
So I totally understand your feeling and I don't like how Hetalia is partial toward certain countries and gives them a Japanese view but sadly I understand that's what it was born for and what it was expected to do by who's printing it (not mentioning in many cases it was all Himaruya could do as APH shines for its mistakes in regards to history and how foreign countries work).
So it's a no win situation. We've to face the fact that APH wasn't meant for us and it'll likely remain not meant for us even if this won't stop them from trying to sell it to us as well.
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This is also a bad thing because these characters had been invented before Hetalia got leaked into the world. It is not always a good thing to be first on some things. The Axis Powers (Roughly Germany brothers, Japan, Italy brothers, perhaps also Spain) and the Allied Forces (America, England, etc) are targeted in that.
Francis for example is more... English. And 'Arthur' would possibly mean a reference to 'King Arthur', but the true King Arthur was welsh.
But also the fem!Nation's names are very fail! VERY. Monica is not a common German name. Why was the Fem!France not named Marianne/Marie, for the original own nation (like uncle sam) was named Marianne too.
Anyway, you just invent a group of characters, don't put much thought into it and then boom, it's leaked into the outer world. As much as you owe those people (you insulted in their nationality), you just stick to your plan - is what I think Himaruya does.
I start to hate that guy.
And I still don't regret that Hetalia has left Japan. Funny enough... as racist as it is, it also connects people all over the world. I have not been able to meet people from England, Scotland, Italy, Netherlands before but with Hetalia I did.
Also, if it was meant for us 'foreigners' or not, Hetalia became a creature of its own, roaming all over the world.
(And I don't know what part of Italy you're from, but I now figured that it is like Italy (You) and Germany (Me) are talking behind Japan's back xD" ))
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Definitely the first characters were the most tuined (apart for maybe Japan and America as he's Japanese and he lived in America so he knew it in a decent way... for Italy for example he ignored some of the most basic things).
I fear he ignored King Arthur was Welsh. Not surprising though. Many think a good name for Sicily would be Elvira as a reference to queen Elvira who was Spanish. And we're talking of people trying to make accurate OC not of Himaruya who was merely playing with them.
Well, the female names were suggested by Japanese fans and not thought by him although evidently those fans didn't research things well (and he didn't check their suggestions as he reported them without commenting... though he didn't officialize them... more like fans decided to consider his reporting them as an officialization).
There are 2 good reasons for that:
1) they were allowed to be printed because the editor liked them as they were
2) the editor liked them as they were because fans liked them as such and, although I doubt the editor cared about it, I'm not talking only of Japanese fans, the fandom was/is plenty of people who thought them as cute as they were (and even believed they were the TRUTH). Think at how many fans anc cosplayers like rapist France... -_-
And to Himaruya's credit it has to be said he retconned things a bit so that the most disgusting strips were removed and some were toned down... although the general theme remained the original one because... well, fans liked that one.
I remember how I tried to explain how the joke with Romano and moustache wouldn't have worked for an Italian, expecially in WW2 and how I was told I wasn't understanding with people offering me interpretations of what Romano should have thought to make such a joke and have such a reaction that, simply put, had nothing to do with the mentality of that time.
Well, I think APH as a wonderful potential in many aspects (it draws people close, it makes more intriguing history, geography and foreign languages) and I love it for this, so in a way I'm very glad it exists. I'm just saddened by APH's dark side, by how it spread false stereotypes and history errors and can also be the source of people developing prejudices that they didn't have before.
(LOL, I'm from north Italy so this makes things even more fitting! 
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Och, and then there is the group of people that do worse work than Himaruya with their OC's. Like... A Sicily with rainbow coloured hair and sparkles and her secret love is Germany but England hooks her up... something like that.
What people do with minor countries or isles is such a shame. Also Saudi Arabia as a half naked girl when girls are without rights in that country.
Japanese fans? Oh god... =A= That's why.
Himaruya can't be too busy to just shout out things without checking. He is clearly missing the dedication to his job.
I mean, when I know I am not up for something, I leave it be!
I'm glad when Himaruya started to alter his works a bit, as to stop making certain countries rapist. I mean, for example he never came out with Japan doing tentacle porn or being a pervert himself. But sex is also a subject in Japan... when I think of machines where you can buy girl's panties or where you have inflatable girlfriends.
But I find the 'moose-tache' thing funny ;w;"
Just the wrong person to make that...?
What about when Feliciano gave Ludwig red boxershorts? I heard that Italians give or wear red undergarments on certain time?
I like to use the potential that Hetalia offers, regardless what the creator(s) did and still do.
(Very fitting. I live in Western Germany. Me and my family have no connection to East German/Prussia.)
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*nods* Sadly I know.
They doesn't mean bad, they just want to have fun with an APH OC but forget that APH characters represent real countries and aren't just fantasy creatures.
Well, he just said he was suggested those names and sort of wanted the opinion of the fandom. Due to mistranslation it was assumed they were names he proposed. Basically he wanted to test waters... although since he stopped giving human names long ago I think he mostly wanted to sort of shut up who wanted names for the girls without getting involved in it because basically by posting them he subtly suggested everyone to use them... but at the same time he never said they were canon or that he would use them. It's more like he tossed an idea for fancanon but didn't officialize it.
Well, he represented Japan as quite a prude, an extremely polite person (I don't speak Japanese but who does says Japan speech is the most polite of all the character) who thinks if one hugs you he should also marry you and that Japan's main experience with girls is due to the VN and eroge games (but that at the same time draws shunga who impresses everyone for their explicity [which show he never saw certain works done in Ancient Roma's time]) so I guess he couldn't really also depict him as a pervert who'll molest girls on the subway.
I guess, expecially at that time in whcih the joke is placed.
On the last of the year it'll bring good luck if you'll wear red underwear. It's a leftover from Roman time, supposed to chase away the fear of war and blood.
Which doesn't mean you'll give them as a gift to friends on Christmas. It's possible to give red underwears as a present but is... well, something sort of risky to do as it can be viewed as something offensive or that shows bad taste. You've to be sure that it'll be considered a gag gift (there are some who're not sexy at all but just very funny... though it's still a present people do with caution) and that the other won't take offence by you doing it as well as that it won't look allusive or perverted or that you just have reached an intimacy level that allows you do give as present sexy lingeries without being offensive.
In short that Veneziano would go and hand Germany normal red briefs like the one he wore and that he kept in his own briefs in such way is... well, quite WRONG and not cute at all.
Same as that he would sleep naked... expecially on Christmas. It's too cold for that and in WW2 it wouldn't be considered acceptable at all not even in summer. People wasn't going around showing his body to others.
But he often represents an Italy that's unaware of his own customs and his own rules of politeness (and in short not Italian at all) for the sake of making gags.
One of the most symbolic strip for me that represents how Himaruya understand nothing of Italy (or of some other countries for the matter) and directs its manga prevalently to Japanese readers is "ＮＯ kangaroo ＮＯ koala" which is among the ones in this page and that represent a North Italy that's simply not Italian in the way he claims to be inferior to Japan.
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I agree with Japan and the polite way of speaking. I am also not a pro on Japanese (I just know this and that, simple words), but he speaks very formal. Maybe some prefecture of Japan would then have taken the role of the tentacle porn lover ;D
Oh? So it's true with red underwear then. I didn't think it came..from Rome. But that guy is crazy anyway.
I guess Italy can do that with Germany still. I think in the series, as soon as Italy looses his frightening feeling before Germany, he's very clingy and whatnot about the poor blond. It's kind of funny.
But when I remember correctly, the red underpants Italy gave him didn't fit.. Doitsu was just too big down there~ =w=
I like how it is a bit fluffed up... but you're right, in WW2, people definitely didn't go with undergarments and body. Only maybe behind very closed doors. I mean, people had sex back then. Or else no one would live.
Also, the roaring 20s had been before that, so people did such things secretly, but they did them *shrug*
Everything was very subtle I imagine.
Sometimes I would like that for our time too. Where is the charm? Where is the winking kind of humour?
Have you seen that episode where Turkey said how Italy (N. Italy) kicked his ass?
This was rather unexpected. Chibi Romano was shitting his pants and his younger brother kicks the villains bum? ... I think this is where they go funny ways. In one of the first episodes they said after all, that the Italians had always been weak. Whoops?
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Yes, but it's not the Italian way. A guy might do it, it's possible, but as Veneziano is supposed to represent Italy and not just a random Italian I expect him to do what the majority would do, not what a random Italian would do. Veneziano's behaviour in APH is very not-north Italian. Even the clinginess is unfitting of a north Italian, the idea to sleep with someone else, the idea to sleep naked, the idea to have siesta, the idea to hand roses to a friend for San Valentino, the idea to hand him red underwears.
Mind you, they're all things that aren't impossible but that just don't fit with the majority of north Italians.
Of course Himaruya creates a build up of unfitting things to justify more unfitting things and in the end what Veneziano does might look fitting for Veneziano... but isn't representative of what a normal north Italian would do. He piles up so much that he twists completely the character so that to a foreigner it might seem fitting, to an Italian it's just one of the many things that don't work.
I don't know German people enough to feel up like making an example fitting for Germany but it's more or less as if he gave Germany a long list of characteristics that are uncomon to German people so that he would performactivity X, still uncommon to German people. I don't know that the previous long list of actions is unfitting so, when I see him act so I can think 'oh, but well, he's the sort of person who would do X so maybe it'll fit just the same...' when the problem is that Germany shouldn't be this sort of person.
Nope, they fit perfectly. Veneziano exclaims, once Germany wears them, they're perfect.
Yes, they had but Hetalia represents this sort of behaviours in the wrong way to fit its purposes.
I try to forget any reference to the whole Chibitalia saga as it's the worse part in matters of history. Have Himaruya any notion of the role of Italians in the 4th crusade? What about the Battle of Legnano? The Sicilian Vespers? The Battle of Assietta? The fact that in north Italy there were many states each one with its own history and not the whole of them ended up under Austria? The fact that south Italy was ended up under France/Spain (as the two bitched quite a bit over it), South Italy lost its own agenda and was supposed to feel scared or brave according to what its foreign ruler decided? How we had plenty of soldiers of Fortune in middle age and Renaissance starting from Alberico da Barbiano and Giacomo Attendolo to move to Giovanni dalle Bande nere and so on? Just to mention facts that were prior to the Italian kingdom...
The problem is that he knew next to nothing about the states he was going to talk about when he began Hetalia, created a Chibitalia that again wasn't Italian, was surprised when he found out of the Lepanto Battle and so he tossed it as a random, mysterious fact in Italy's history... if you can call it as such as there wasn't a state called Italy yet so it would have been more fair to call it a fact in the Pre-Italian states history... -_-
But I've always found pretty ridicule how he conveniently forgot of their existence...
*sighs* Let's stop talking about this. He just created characters for fun, barely knowing the history, the state and the people involved and established his fantasy creations as canon and made them successful so that as of now there's no point in claiming how messed up they are... he doesn't have the slightest reason to correct them.
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beh, a questo punto non ci resta che aspettare...
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E tenere le dita incrociate...
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e sbizzarirsi con gli OC
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