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Published: 2019-12-05 05:26:08 +0000 UTC; Views: 12154; Favourites: 179; Downloads: 23
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Here's my version of Orbot and Scratch as they'll appear in my fan comic Sonic Odyssey. In my comic I plan to have Scratch and Grounder start off as Orbot and Cubot. The reason being is that I wanted to reimagine Scratch and Grounder to be threatening while not betraying their comedic qualities (think like the 2012 Ninja Turtles take on Bebop and Rocksteady), so I had to think of how I'd go about their personalities. Then I thought about Orbot and Cubot and how they filled a simialr role to Scratch and Grounder being two robot minions for Eggman but having more distinct personalities from each other (even if it's as simplistic as the smart one and dumb one) but didn't have much combat potential on their own. So I got the idea to merge the two duos that turned into the idea to have Scratch and Grounder start off as Orbot and Cubot. For Scratch's design, to make him a bit more threatening instead of being based on a chicken I based his design off of a cockatrice, which is basically a mythological creature that's a mix between a chicken and a dragon. Also his wings are based on the Vulture's wings from the movie Spider-Man Homecoming. The machine gun on his arm is inspired by the Clucker enemies from Sonic 2 (who Sratch was supposedly based on) who commanded these turret things).Orbot SA-55/Scratch: One of Robotnik’s robot assistants, is super intelligent with a snarky sassy attitude with an air of sophistication about him, think like a sort of robot butler version of Batman’s Alfred. He constantly bickers with his brother Cubot/Grounder but they both like to torment Snively (a trait programmed into them by Robotnik) oftening annoying him. He’s uptight while holding a sense of resentment towards his organic ‘coworkers’, due to a sense of superiority and just finding organic life absoluting disgusting. He starts off as a lab assistant robot called Orbot until his body got destroyed and was changed into the battle robot Scratch. Snively would take his anger out on him and Cubot until they became battle robots, from then on Scratch and Grounder are often used by Robotnik to physically ‘punish’ Snively when the need arises in addition to their battles with the Freedom Fighters and Robotnik's other enemies.
Robotnik based Orbot/Scratch's personality off of an old butler his family had when he was a kid that he interacted with often and his chicken like features off his time working on his family's chicken farm in his early teens.
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I see; so orbot and cubot basically have two different forms; their standard ones, and a battle form. in a way.
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I wouldn't call Orbot and Cubot their 'standard forms' since they become Scratch and Grounder after their original bodies get destroyed so they never become Orbot and Cubot again. So it's more like their 'old forms' and their 'battle forms'.
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This has to be the most threatening looking incarnation of Scratch I've ever seen. Kudos.
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Thanks! I wanted to make Scratch and Grounder seem threatening in a way that would allow them to actually put up a decent fight against Sonic and his allies. But at the same time not sacrifice any sense of humor about them.
Also what do you think of the idea of Scratch and Grounder starting out as Orbot and Cubot?
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Well, it is something different. But it'd be a big boost for their confidence going from weak lackeys to tough fighting bots.
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Yeah it would wouldn’t it!
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I myself did a sort of reinventing of henchmen myself. I redesigned Heavy and Bomb to be Robotnik's two standard henchmen in each of my work. I know Heavy and Bomb are allies in the comics and in the Knuckles chaotix game, but the idea always somewhat appealed to me.
Can find these designs here:
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They look pretty good. To be fair Heavy and Bomb didn't have much character to begin with, are very obscure and the series could always use more bad guys. So I don't see any problem with this reimaging of these characters, I mean if they could make the Chaotix detectives.
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Thanks.
True. If an obscure character is underappreciated, you can either highlight the good traits and delve in deeper, or you can reinvent it as something better, like you did for Mecha. Now I did the same for Heavy and Bomb.
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Yeah in general those are things that a good reboot should always do in general. I mean my favorite examples of adaptations that reimagine elements from the source material are stuff like the DCAU, TMNT 2012, and Duck Tales 2017. An example of a great reimagining has to be the DCAU Mr. Freeze, where they took what was a simple one note gimicky villain and turned into a tragic figure who's a staple of Batman's Rouges Gallery to this day. There's a reason that outside of the Sonic franchise itself my main sources of influence are those shows I listed in terms of how they adapt/reboot their source material. My main goal with Sonic Odyssey is basically what a Sonic series could be like if creators were allowed to use characters from past cartoons and comics without any legal issues or Sega's more ridiculous mandates. I picked Satam/Archie as a basis because 1) they're my favorite continuities 2) Sonic being part of a resistance group in world ruled by Robotnik seems to be a consistent theme for most of the western continuities and 3) I just find it to be the most interesting premise to work with in general.
Though I've wondered if I should implement any restrictions on character use to make it 'more realistic' to what could possibly be done if Odyssey was an official product, not to mention that even the DCAU had some some restrictions on who they can or can't use (I'm sure there's some of that type of stuff with TMNT and Duck Tales too) and some restrictions could lead to some great creativity if done right. But in the end I didn't think it'd be worth it, since that would likely cut off some characters I would actually want to use.
I actually have some other ideas for reimagings I'd say are on par with my take on Mecha (though haven't did art for yet)
Bellok an obscure one off character from Underground who was this fat old bat who owned a castle and was attached to some stuffed owl, my reimaging basically turns him into a full on Dracula expy. I'm debating on if Bellok should be a stand alone magic based villain? or if I should make him one of Robotnik's grandmasters who's either a cyborg or a full on robot who has the ability to turn people into were wolf robians by biting them (inspired by Nos 4A2 from the Buzz Lightyear TV series).
Fiona, I'm pretty sure you're well aware of Fiona. Basically my take on her would be kind of an amalgamation of her various incarnations, where she's a kid around Tails' age who's sort of this street punk in Robotropolis who likes to get into mischief, by annoying the local authorities (Swat Bots) and upper class and spray painting graffiti all over town. But she's also not evil and does have a bit of a soft side to her as seen with her friendship with Tails.
Some reimagines you've done that I really like outside of your Heavy and Bomb would have to be you're idea to make Big a caveman and Harvey Who into a Doctor Who expy. Honestly I wish I came up with those ideas, granted I already planned to have a Doctor Who expy in Odyssey though that part seems to be in development hell. I've gone from an OC, to a reimagined Silver to a future version of Tails and so on in regards to the Doctor Who expy concept.
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I like the sound of your reimagining of Fiona.
I haven't watched Sonic underground in a while so I don't remember all obscure characters but a Mobian Dracula or werewolf sounds cool. I should know because I did create two such characters in the past.
I just merged two owl characters: the Time Stone guardian from Satam and Harvey Who into one and then how couldn't I make him a Dr. Who expy?
As for caveman Big, I am not continuing to use that since I thought about a caveman Ankylosaur character which is way cooler because Ankylosaurs are my fav dino. Need to do something else to make Big just a bit interesting because he already gets enough flag as it is.
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Glad you like my Fiona idea. I also have an idea for her backstory where she was mentored by Fang the Sniper for a while before being left at some foster home.
Yeah I think a vampire would be a neat addition to the Sonic universe. I just got to think about which idea to go with?
Yeah I believe that was written in the description for your Harvey Who design. One idea I initially had that I kind of ditched was merging Harvey Who with Gun Commander as the head of a Mobian centric GUN expy called OAK, though I've pretty much abandoned that idea now. Though I do have a few ideas for composite characters, like Scratch and Grounder with Orbot and Cubot as seen here. Also a lot of Echidna characters such as Finitevous/Zachary, Dark Legion/Nocturnous Clan, Julie Su/Shade, Dimitri/Ix. But one composite character idea I have that I don't think a lot of people would see coming is Gun Commander with Colin Kintobor (Robotnik's older brother and Snively's father).
Yeah Big is just one of those really difficult characters to work with. The most I got is just having him be a regular bystander character who appears in the background.
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In my universe I had the same idea, but for Nic the weasel, with whom she has a sisterly bond.
Knowing you it'd be another great execution on your part, whenever you'll think of the idea.
Yeah, an amalgam of the Nocturnus and Legion characters seems logical due to similarities but I haven't heard of a Gun Commander/Snively's dad amalgam before and that would be interesting.
The best I could give him as just a guy doing odd jobs, just trying to live his normal life, but he seems to caught up in the crossfire of Sonic and Eggman unwillingly. Probably be a much grouchier and miserable character. "ALL I WANTED TO DO IS TO FISH IN PEACE!!' Ok, now I type it out it seems a bit funnier.
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Thanks!
Well it's not like I just pulled the idea out of my ass, I do have some logic for that choice. Both Gun Commander and Colin were military officials and Gun Commander was established as having lived on the Ark when he was a kid and had a relationship with Maria so he already had some sort of connection to the Robotnik Family, plus Gun Commander was never really given a name in the games (well he has a name in the Archie comics but no one says I have to adhere to everything about their take on game characters). Plus I figured it'd be a nice bit of drama with the Robotnik family, adding an extra layer to things, also I'd imagine that the Commander might feel a sense of guilt feeling responsible for all the problems with Robotnik since he used to bully him when they were kids.
That could work, I mean I do think that the best use for Big was as just a regular guy who just happens to be super strong who just keeps finding himself caught up in whatever insanity that the heroes are into. Kind of like what they did with him in Sonic Adventure 2. Something like the Cabbage Salesman from Avatar or Vinnie from Gargoyles, maybe he keeps changing occupations with each of his appearances because he keeps losing his job due to the action of the heroes.
Also here's a question which type of backstory for Mobius do you prefer? A separate planet from Earth ala Fleetway and X? or a Post Apocalyptic Earth ala Archie and Satam?
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YW.
Yeah, makes sense when you put it like that.
I just can't help but Big being the Sonic Universe's cabbage salesman.
I prefer that Mobius is seperate from Earth.
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You can't help but what? Big being the Sonic Universe's cabbage Salesman?
Sure I have some issues with the whole two worlds premise with Sonic in terms of the game canon but that's mainly because that was never made very clear in universe and the revelation just raises too many questions. But with something like the movie where that fact is clear from the start, I can role with it even though I'd rather have stories set on Mobius. I actually really like the Future Earth concept since it does have give off a sense of intrigue and does explain why Mobius has so many earth elements like earth languages (like french) and why the populace all resemble earth animals like Hedgehog, Foxes, Squirrels, and so on.
I actually had some interesting ideas regarding the concept in Odyssey, such as having the apocalypse being caused by Dark Gaia being unleashed, incorporating Ben Hurst's planned backstory of Robotnik and Snively originating from a Space Colony from before the apocalypse, and making that Space Colony the Ark from SA2. I'd also have the Ark be the birthplace the Mobian race, with Shadow being the first Mobian (and the mural from Sonic3 was actually depicting Shadow's creation). Though I've recently come across some issues with the concept, such as why they would be making Mobians on the Ark, the chronology of Robotnik's life in relation, and don't even get me started on the implementation of prehistoric mobians like Mammoth Mogul and the Ancient Walkers (that's load of headaches). I'm wondering if it'd be easier to just have Mobius be a separate planet entirely, and just have Earth be where Robotnik is from and just not have Sonic ever go there.
Also which function do you prefer for Rings in a story driven context? Giving characters a power boost like in Satam? or act as portals like in the movie and the warp rings in Archie?
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I meant to say 'can't help but laugh'.
Yeah, it would get complicated otherwise, so seperate earths for me.
Well, there can be different types of Rings, for either power boosts or transport.
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Okay.
At first my issue with changing to two worlds is trying to figure out how Robotnik comes to Mobius. But then I realized that I could maybe have it where Gerald had actually gone to Mobius before and Robotnik finds out about it through his journals. It would also make it easier when bringing in more humans. Also it would make a story arc I want to do about Robotnik's life story just a bit more interesting by having it take place during real world historical periods (ala Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck), I mean wouldn't you want to know what Robotnik was doing in the 60s? Also a subplot about Robotnik trying to find out the truth about what happened to his Grandfather could make for a decent plot in his origin story. My one issue is why aspects of Mobian culture is so similar to Earth culture? But I guess I could have it where Mobians have been to Earth before in ancient times and they were influenced by Earth culture or vice versa.
What about this which is your idea guardian figure for Sonic, Uncle Chuck or Long Claw?
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Maybe they were one and the same at one point in time before they split, so both worlds have a common base? It was mentioend like that in Sonic X?
Still Uncle Chuck. Grew up with him being Sonic's guardian after all.
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I suppose though there'd be an issue in regards to why they split up in the first place. Maybe it was the coming of the Chaos Emeralds striking the Earth in prehistoric times and the Emerald's intense energy caused the planet to split into two... I did not intend for that to sound like the Mario movie. Maybe there was an ancient civilization of dinosaur people (Mobosaurs) who were running experiments on the recently discovered Chaos Emeralds that caused the planet to split into planets while also wiping out their entire race with the exception of the Ancient Walkers.
Yeah I'd pick Uncle Chuck too, especially since Odyssey has a heavy Satam/Archie influence. Though if I for some reason couldn't use Chuck I'd probably go for either Long Claw (I hope she gets expanded on in the sequels) or Dr. Kintobor (and use the Fleetway backstory to make the Sonic Robotnik rivalry a lot sadder).
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Maybe it'd could be something like that. A few kinks to work out but it could work.
We'll just have to wait and see how it'll turn out for Longclaw in the sequels. It'd be sad if a character is just there without anything being done with it.
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Thanks! mind pointing out the kinks so I know what to work out?
I would at least like to see her appear in maybe some other continuity. Ironically she has had the least amount of screen time but is also the only character I'd consider putting into Odyssey. I wouldn't have her as Sonic's guardian but she could still show up at some point as someone who helps Sonic better understand his Chaos Powers, and ends up becoming a sort of mother figure to him.
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I mean, work out the details, making sure to not leave holes in the story or something.
Wait, Longclaws is a 'she'?
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Here's an idea to explain all the Earth elements on Mobius, you know how a lot of ancient cultures have had anthropomorphic animals in some form? So maybe apply some Ancient Aliens element where Mobians have come to Earth at some point in the past and had actually influenced Human culture in some form, teaching them some Mobian languages and the humans named some of their Earth animals after the mobians they closely resembled?
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