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For more Lil Formers head to www.LilFormers.comI may have mentioned it before but, as a kid TMNT was my very favorite thing to draw. I had a ton of the toys, and the Archie TMNT adventure comics were the earliest comics I collected as a series.
If you're unaware - Turtles Forever is an upcoming DVD movie where the original 80's turtles meet the modern version (through some dimensional portal or something...the odl show used portals a lot heh). Though in actually, it won't REALLY be the original turtles, since they didn't bring back ANY of the original cast. They're using all new voice actors. Very unfortunate as this COULD have been pretty cool.
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That's like... dumb. Most of the original cast is still alive as far as I know. At least the turtles' voice actors are still alive. I mean... what was stopping them??? O.o
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Only due to some legal issue, I think, otherwise they would have.
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nah, there's no legal reason not to be able to hire a voice actor. guaranteed it has to do with money.
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There are legal reasons in some cases, though I don't know if any applied here.
Anyway, the new voices for the old Turtles do a pretty good job of sounding like the originals. I think it will still be awesome.
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if you mean the union answer they have been giving, that jsut means "we are unwilling to put up the money to pay for union actors"
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Nah, I just know there can be different cases in different situations, such as Scott McNeil being unable to do Animated, as I recall, due to recording being in the USA or something. I know others like Kaye and Chalk apparently have permits or something, but it seems McNeil doesn't.
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I don't really like the Modern TMNT. They're WAY too serious.
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I like that the boys actually showed some maturity and character development. Hated Fast Forward though, that season was crap.
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The one with Venus? Oh wait, that was a different series.
To tell you the truth, I haven't watched that many episodes of the new series.
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Fast Forward was the 6th season. That was the one where they got sent to the future and got chummy with April's great great grandson or something like that. Anyway I didn't like all the futuristic mumbo jumbo.
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Huh they're not that serious, Mikey is always there to lighten the mood, and he always has his moments with Raphael,,,, and then there's the Fast Forward incident which tried to be more like the old show!
The show just had drama, I mean compared to the OT... then Static Shock is an uber serious show then!
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From what I've seen of the new series, there's no Krang, Bebop OR Rocksteady. Yeah, they weren't in the comics, but still, those guys were kinda cool.
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Well there is Krang, but he was more of a cameo, no no bebop, but there is a lot of mutilation, that's always fun no?
Eh I could live without them, I never really liked them... still a RHino was cool, a warthog... ehhh
Still the show was well written for the most part, like a Gargoyles-lite?
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I never watched Gargoyles that much actually.
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awww shame, I suggest you get the DVD, or on the web, it's damn good show, like BTAS but different...
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I think there was Krang, in one episode a short cameo... and since the TMNT Shredder was very much like good ol' Krang himself...minus the Technodrome ...
I liked them all and the Fact that the new show was kind of a mixture of the old one and the Comic book Original, made it pretty awsome to me.
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I believe the voice actor situation had something to do with unions or something? I read somewhere that they really wanted to get the original crew in or something...
I'm excited for this, though
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nah, more like they didn't want to pay them a reasonable rate.
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Aah... that makes sense too. But I'm sure it'll still be enjoyable : )
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Raph was always my favorite... I'll have to see the movie...
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If the original turtles meet the animated turtles, there's really no difference there except the originals are more mature.
That is, unless, you are refering to the retarded animated turtle series written my monkies
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the new animation where they have no eye balls must be the one you're referring to as written by monkies.
When anyone says ORIGINAL turtles everyone automatically thinks you're talking about the cartoon series which gave it a full live action film, caused a bunch of toys, and a slew a Turtle craze mania! Thus it certainly deserves the title of original, it SO earned it.
However the black and white comic by Eastman and Laird would technically be called 'original' but truly it was only a draft and rough idea for the cartoon to transform into the historical success it still is. Eastman and Lairds comic was never successful enough to be known across the U.S.
Siegle+Shuster's superman comic however was so successful on it's own merits that it incited an animation that cloned the comic exactly. This shows Laird+Eastman had nothing but a basic idea, that was made into the witty hilarious group of four that really knew how to do ninja action and give us adventure and pure comic book plots.
Thus the original Turtles.
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Nothing can "earn" the title of original if it's not original. That's just simple logic.
It was never meant to be a cartoon but it became adapted VERY quickly.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
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Simple logic states the term original is applied to the first subject that appeared within the context. Perhaps your brain wasn't on when you were reading, as that context was not the very 1st rendition, the context was the 1st successful notice in the entire public.
Yer brain seemed to be malfunctioning still when it was actually acknowledged that "Eastman and Laird would technically be called 'original'". Turn on the brain man, you need it for life!
WANTED the comic book was never meant to be a movie with Angela Jolie but it became adapted VERY quickly. What's your point? Did you have one? Try to form one before uttering. It stands, EastmanLaird had a cute lil comic, didn't go no where, unlike BobKane and Siegle+Shuster. Cartoon came along, BANG! Everyone digged it.
"You obviously have no idea what you are talking about" this statement doesn't actually address any said points or change anything, anyone can do that; watch
You "JeRkY-ChId"obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
See? What I accomplish? Any point changed? Nope, my points still standing. People usually say "you don't know what you're talkin about" when they have no defense. A reflexive defense to dismiss and dodge a shortcoming and sliiiide it right under the rug, hopefully no one will see!
Are u kidding me..?
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Which would be the comic not the cartoon.
Really? You're the one that's wrong yet you continue this lol. I can tell by your petty insults that do nothing but let me know I'm right.
Yes it does because once again you seem to have no idea of the concept of "original" and apply it to something after the fact.
I said it because it sounded better then calling you supremely uneducated on usage of words but I'll go into detail.
It was never a draft for anything. It was originally a one shot then the rights were givin for the cartoon. There was no grand scheme for a cartoon, same for Superman. That is what I meant when I said you have no idea what you are talking about because these works didn't exist to spawn adaptations like you seem to believe.
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I have no idea now which and what your individual statements are replying to, they don't seem to match to anything, so I'll NUMBER each reiteration (it'll sound less like you're talkling to yourself), and let's see which and WHAT number that you are trying to respond to.
So starting all over we'll see your responses:
1. The only reason the Turtles are recognized universally and have been put ON THE MAP in the first place is because of the wildly successful cartoon, not the cute little black n white comic book. The comic book made no impact on the culture.
2. The live-action movie was not based on the comic, it only had 3 minor elements used. That live-action movie was 90% the cartoon being made into a movie feature as it was only brought to movie opportunity directly because of the cartoon they were adapting.
3. YOU said and I quote "The first live action movie is based on the comics" See #2 and; you cannot be based on the comic when you are not dominantly the comic.
4. unlike BobKane and Siegle+Shuster, EastmanLaird had a cute lil comic that didn't go no where. Cartoon came along- BANG! Everyone digged it.
5. "Purple instead of, what, gray? When there's no color given, you have to go with what does. That would be the cartoon"
Now you're just making things up. We're not interested in your conjectures or your rationalizations, only facts. EastmanLaird had intended that their masks be RED pal. It was ALWAYS red! The very first public picture of the comic, they had made the masks fierce RED. So you're display of rationalizing and poor conjecture with "what,gray? When there's no color given you have to go with what does. That would be the cartoon" was grossly embarrassing. Furthermore, since you didn't seem to know that EastmanLaird had red masks then you can realize which one of us here is ignorant.
6. "It was never a draft for anything, There was no grand scheme for a cartoon, same for Superman...these works didn't exist to spawn adaptations like you seem to believe".
Seems to YOU. I've NEVER stated those were made for cartoons. Turn the brain on and listen; I said Siegle+Shuster's little comic book on it's own was so successful to every household in America that it summoned a live-action movie and even an impressive animation adapting the comic book exactly. Despite the crude art of Superman it was by the sheer merit of the idea that was a phenomenon and that following live-action and the animation was forced to adapt it exactly. Eastman Laird on the other hand, did not have a comic with such an impact, it did not demand a live-action movie, nor did it demand a cartoon, AND the Shuster Superman art was extremely CRUDE. Which is unlike LairdEastman, whose comic did not make a dent in comics or pop culture and THEY weren't using crude art.
7. "It was never a draft for anything" Correction; even though not intended, it still certainly served as a draft for that which became juggernautly successful.
8. "Lots of people getting duped into watching/reading/using what isn't well made all the time" Your opinion is irrelevant. That doesn't tell us that the Turtle Mania is not caused by a great show. You can't prove that's true, all you've told us is that you don't like some popular things. If I were to use your reasoning then I can say Star Wars the first trilogy is crap. We can say The Godfather series is crap. We can say that the rave over the tv series "Heros" (1st season) and "Lost" are all people being duped over crappy shows. The fact that you're tastes are not included with something that is madly successful does not mean it's bad. Enjoy your ego much? Btw I like Twighlight just fine, but I certainly don't agree with it's odd mania.
9. "I can tell by your petty insults that do nothing but let me know I'm right" Sorry, but somebody insulting you doesn't not inform you on your accuracy or inaccuracy, that's just plain illogical, where the hell did you get THAT? IE; I think the Earth is flat, Christopher Columbus insults me "You Meanie poopoo, it's round" he insulted me, therefore I'm right that the Earth is flat! Give me a break here guy.
10. "Really? You're the one that's wrong yet you continue this" Wow. so enlighten me, which point of 1-9 did you claim was wrong? The truth always hurt when you fight it. Honesty is the best policy. Something the Turtles cartoon phenomenon taught.
I don't take kindly to falsehoods and I may not start fights but I don't let go of them either. Raphael would have wittier comebacks to you than I but the Leader Leonardo would prolly point out the poor behavior of bickering. So any insult I dispensed was under the impression of you giving insult first, if this was not true then I guess I actually owe an apology.
P.S. Since you seem to have such a hard-on for source material comic books in respect to media, I'm curious to test if you'll be hypocritical or true for the issue of the Christian Bale flick in regards to the over-60-year old comic book character Batman. Are you going to defend the comic Batman as madly as you're trying here or are you in support for the Christian Bale movie. Moment of truth here...
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Sorry I haven't been on to continue the discussion; finals.
1. No comic, no crappy adaptation. You can't say it had no impact when us bitching about it and it's poor adaptation is evidence.
2. Just 3? Many things were used. Like the turtles fighting Shredder on the rooftop and knocking him off (though this was moved from the beginning to the end and the 'death' was a trash compacter instead of a thermite grenade)The turtles fleeing NYC after their lair is found. If you look at the main story, its the comics rearranged.
3. I am still right on that.
4. If it didn't go anywhere then there would be no cartoon. Also I still find it ironic that you can praise the cartoon but put down the source material
5. I did know that the masks were red however I have always thought that the idea of individualizing the turtles more in appearance was a good idea, so I don't have much of a problem with the multicolored headbands. (Also, who's we? Are you schizophrenic?)
6. Once again, if they didn't make a dent, there would be no cartoon and so on.
7. Still right then. Because it was never a draft for anything.
8. (Who is us? Are you Venom? lol) You can't combat opinion with opinion, especially if you like Twilight.. then you give up the right to comment on quality...
9. Yes it does lol. It shows how much someone being right bothers you so much that you must keep trying to hurt them as much as they have your pride.
10. 1-8 actually if you are referring to the discussion, by now you've read my points so I don't understand the purpose of 10.
Same. Apparently you do, and that is very apparent as well lol. With your constant insults that inflate my ego, I think its you that should think about the bickering. Accepted.
(PS) That one is actually a very interesting one that we could go on to another discussion about. Batman has grown and evolved years and years. Bob Kane actually didn't have as much influence on it as he would like to claim; Bill Finger did much of the work, but I digress. The 1st TMNT cartoon was a poor adaptation because it did not continue to pull much from it's source material; now this can be forgiven in the beginning when there's not much there, but as time goes on it makes no sense not to pull more from where it came from. It would be like going off of the first issue of the Hulk forever; he'd be Gray and change at night among other things. The same goes for Batman and TMNT, if you do not pull from the source material, you end up with a poor adaptation (See Catwoman... *shudders*).
Kudos for combining the parts so we don't have to go back and forth between two different replies. I meant to do it in my reply to this but you already did it.
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Really? Jeez jut the pic above shows the difference, Raphael was made more like Mikey in the original, and Splinter was very different, the Shredders, the 2k3 Shredder mutilates you if you fail him... repeatedly, the OT Shredder... yelled a lot and pouted....
As different as Adam West and Christian Bales Batman!
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well duh.. bale dosent have a anti gravity cape.
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LMAO!
I love you so much for this comment
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You obviously didn't get it.
The original turtles were in comics. The comics are what the new series is based on.
The animated series in he refers to as the "original" is, to use your analogy, like the Adam West Batman being based on the Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller.
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.... but you're post said there was no difference between the Mirage comic and the OT Turtles, which was a heck of a lot..., if by "animated' you meant the OT and Original comics, even then the Shredder was still a killer and didn't whine every time he lost
and then there are still diff.. well Mirage Raph drank beer I think, nto sure about the other guys
But content wise, Adam Wests bats and Bales are different, so yeha... let's all calm down, and watch the newest barbie movie.... yum diabetes
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No I said they were based on the comics not that there wasn't any difference.
...you never heard of the Dark Knight Returns?... you have no right to speak of anything that has to do with comics.
God I hope a pleague wipes out most people.
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There needs to be a pleague wiping thoughts like your own, that's for dam sure.
DKR kicks ass, and Christain Bale is a complete foreign character that blatantly dismisses DKR and the Batman comics.
As for the original EastmanLaird, yay, that was some side fun in black and white, woopi doo. Eastman and Laird's little black+white comic never made an impact and was never a true success PERIOD.
The cartoon show with the hot babe April? That was a Major success, hence that is what is termed as the ORIGINAL. EastmanLaird printed and printed even in color eventually, but it never made a dent in the comic book field nor did the rest of the world care.
What you need to realize is that the cartoon with it's awesome hero-characters who were only young kids is WHAT PUT TURTLES ON THE FRIKIN MAP BUDDY!!!!!!! The only reason, and the ONLY reason, that you have that new toon on right now, and the only reason there was ever a live action kick ass movie, and the only reason the turtles had that recent CGI feature is DIRECTLY due to the characters that made a show which excited all the kids and teens and even witty adults of america. THAT toon show was so well made that it PUT the name on the bloody map.
Most people are so ignorant. NOt to mention disrespectful to their history that brought them here.
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Then there wouldn't be any intelligent people left. (well that's almost happening anyway)
If it didn't you wouldn't have ANYthing TMNT PERIOD.
If something is not original it can't be called such.
No the comic did, the cartoon and selling of merchindise cemented it into pop culture but didn't create it.
The first live action movie is based on the comics.
Well made? Now I know you gotta just be joking lol
Like those that ignore what is original and what's not
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We won't play semantics with your concern over the word "original", what was obviously meant, unless U have poor listening skills, when I say "original" it is not referring the very first rendition of the turtles, I'm fully aware of what the 1st rendition is, so move the gears in your head and anticipate. The point of saying original is simply to say why the turtles are famous and what the turtles are known for, THOSE are the one's I'm referring to as 'ORIGINAL'. But if U can't process that thru yer thick head then I can abide for your handicap and drop the term 'original' and call them the REAL turtles.
The first live action movie 1. borrowed the general plot of the lil b+W comic 2.Used that Casey instead 3. And also used that butch Raphael. Other than that there isn't much at all that the movie had based on the comic, pal. That was not only the REAL leo or the Leo from the toon in there it was certainly the same exact voice or a double ganger. The Shredder was wearing Purple for crying out loud, The turtles had the cartoon-identity-colored Bandanas (pretty HUGE), they were CRAZY for pizza (HUGE-ER) April Oniel was a RED head as the toon and strictly the toon, the whole movie had high spirits and comedy exactly as the toons spirit not the gruff EastmanLaird comic, and it even opened up with the Turtles LOGO of the frikin Cartoon swinging in your face!!! (HUGE-ER-ER my dumb and dumber-est friend) Are U sure you saw the movie???? It was 90% the cartoon with 3 minor EastmanLaird elements.
Now, did you REALLY really REALLY think that the film was produced because of Eastman and Lairds impact??? Are you honestly going to go with that? That's despicable self denial, friend. The ONLY reason that the movie had the need to be made, had to drive and demand for it, had the money willing to back it up, WAS BECAUSE OF THE RAVE OF THE TOON CAUSING TURTLE MANIA AROUND THE DAM NATION. How thick can you be? really? C'mon man, you can muster better honesty than that.
"Well made? Now I know you gotta just be joking" I didn't know stating facts would be a joke but ok, as fact that a non-well-made show could somehow make billions and billions of dollars, but you can try to explain that to yourself, we're not here to hear your rationalizations, lol.
As for a pleague to wipe out people of your thoughts causing no intelligent people left, well all anyone can say to that is; enjoy your Ego!
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LOL No really, what's next? "Meanie poopoo head!"
Purple instead of, what, gray? When there's no color given you have to go with what does. That would be the cartoon.
Speech bubbles would've been better?
The comic didn't really have a logo that was eye catching so it makes sense to use it.
They needed elements that would appease both those that knew the source material and those ignorant to it (or rather in denial of it in your case it seems.)
I never said that, yes the reason why it was made was because of the piss poor adaptation that was put out. The film felt like a hybrid with the basis, of course, being the comic like the cartoon.
It's easy "CAUSING TURTLE MANIA AROUND THE DAM NATION" happens all the time. Lots of people getting duped into watching/reading/using what isn't well made all the time. Twilight is a very good example or Transfromers 2.
Well you're the one that inflats it so lol. Each time anyone insults me, I feel like an older sibling to a kid that has been told 'no' or corrected them and they don't like it so they insult and say everything they can think of to somehow hurt them but it's just cute lol.
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I have no idea now which and what your individual statements are replying to, they don't seem to match to anything, so I'll NUMBER each reiteration (it'll sound less like you're talkling to yourself), and let's see which and WHAT number that you are trying to respond to.
So starting all over we'll see your responses:
1. The only reason the Turtles are recognized universally and have been put ON THE MAP in the first place is because of the wildly successful cartoon, not the cute little black n white comic book. The comic book made no impact on the culture.
2. The live-action movie was not based on the comic, it only had 3 minor elements used. That live-action movie was 90% the cartoon being made into a movie feature as it was only brought to movie opportunity directly because of the cartoon they were adapting.
3. YOU said and I quote "The first live action movie is based on the comics" See #2 and; you cannot be based on the comic when you are not dominantly the comic.
4. unlike BobKane and Siegle+Shuster, EastmanLaird had a cute lil comic that didn't go no where. Cartoon came along- BANG! Everyone digged it.
5. "Purple instead of, what, gray? When there's no color given, you have to go with what does. That would be the cartoon"
Now you're just making things up. We're not interested in your conjectures or your rationalizations, only facts. EastmanLaird had intended that their masks be RED pal. It was ALWAYS red! The very first public picture of the comic, they had made the masks fierce RED. So you're display of rationalizing and poor conjecture with "what,gray? When there's no color given you have to go with what does. That would be the cartoon" was grossly embarrassing. Furthermore, since you didn't seem to know that EastmanLaird had red masks then you can realize which one of us here is ignorant.
6. "It was never a draft for anything, There was no grand scheme for a cartoon, same for Superman...these works didn't exist to spawn adaptations like you seem to believe".
Seems to YOU. I've NEVER stated those were made for cartoons. Turn the brain on and listen; I said Siegle+Shuster's little comic book on it's own was so successful to every household in America that it summoned a live-action movie and even an impressive animation adapting the comic book exactly. Despite the crude art of Superman it was by the sheer merit of the idea that was a phenomenon and that following live-action and the animation was forced to adapt it exactly. Eastman Laird on the other hand, did not have a comic with such an impact, it did not demand a live-action movie, nor did it demand a cartoon, AND the Shuster Superman art was extremely CRUDE. Which is unlike LairdEastman, whose comic did not make a dent in comics or pop culture and THEY weren't using crude art.
7. "It was never a draft for anything" Correction; even though not intended, it still certainly served as a draft for that which became juggernautly successful.
8. "Lots of people getting duped into watching/reading/using what isn't well made all the time" Your opinion is irrelevant. That doesn't tell us that the Turtle Mania is not caused by a great show. You can't prove that's true, all you've told us is that you don't like some popular things. If I were to use your reasoning then I can say Star Wars the first trilogy is crap. We can say The Godfather series is crap. We can say that the rave over the tv series "Heros" (1st season) and "Lost" are all people being duped over crappy shows. The fact that you're tastes are not included with something that is madly successful does not mean it's bad. Enjoy your ego much? Btw I like Twighlight just fine, but I certainly don't agree with it's odd mania.
9. "I can tell by your petty insults that do nothing but let me know I'm right" Sorry, but somebody insulting you doesn't not inform you on your accuracy or inaccuracy, that's just plain illogical, where the hell did you get THAT? IE; I think the Earth is flat, Christopher Columbus insults me "You Meanie poopoo, it's round" he insulted me, therefore I'm right that the Earth is flat! Give me a break here guy.
10. "Really? You're the one that's wrong yet you continue this" Wow. so enlighten me, which point of 1-9 did you claim was wrong? The truth always hurt when you fight it. Honesty is the best policy. Something the Turtles cartoon phenomenon taught.
I don't take kindly to falsehoods and I may not start fights but I don't let go of them either. Raphael would have wittier comebacks to you than I but the Leader Leonardo would prolly point out the poor behavior of bickering. So any insult I dispensed was under the impression of you giving insult first, if this was not true then I guess I actually owe an apology.
P.S. Since you seem to have such a hard-on for source material comic books in respect to media, I'm curious to test if you'll be hypocritical or true for the issue of the Christian Bale flick in regards to the over-60-year old comic book character Batman. Are you going to defend the comic Batman as madly as you're trying here or are you in support for the Christian Bale movie. Moment of truth here...
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Eh? I have, aside from the bringing about the Dark Age, it was the quintessential batman taleof the era.
Jeez calm down, just breathe man, take a step back and we can all be friends, don't worry the we're all gonna die by 2012... I hear
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I don't remember anymore
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Actually, I think he is referring to the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird. Their original comics were in black and white, with no pupils and no robots, just ninjas getting stabbed and new york punkers having their faces bounced down a stairwell from a fifth floor walk up on the lower east side to a bloody and epic conclusion. Oh yes, the boys actually fought to kill or maim, like ninjas.
Also, April was black as was Baxter Stockman. Shredder was lethal but got blown to itty bitty bits when he threw a hand grenade at them and Donatello knocked it back at him.
The later released licensed cartoon series that spawned toys and Archie comics was less than we had hoped, but considering other children's fare in the afternoons during that time, not horrible.
So technically the originals and the new ones might get along.
Hope this helped clear up this misunderstanding.
Aside from that, I got it, loved it and thought it was funny as hell.
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No, he states quite clearly that it is the original animated, not comic, turtles.
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The old cartoon aren't the orginals though
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Actually I when I said, "Actually, I think he is referring to the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as created by Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird." the "he" was in reference to 's original comment at the beginning of this thread.
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Well the first issue was supposed to be a one shot, so they did get aliens and other such things later, but hey don't the mousers count as robots?
Well April wasn't black, she was just drawn with non-Caucasian features, some of the colored pages had her fairly dark skinned, but Baxter was definitely black, and evulz, hell he tried to blow of the World Trade Center! Well sort of he tried to get his mousers to destroy the foundations or something... still evul!!!
Well this is still funny since it doesn't really matter much, since either the 2k3 Raph or the Mriage Raph would want to stab poor OT Raph!
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