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Boyen's fortress outside Gizycko again.[link]
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nunheh [2011-09-29 14:40:48 +0000 UTC]
The road seems more like a painting than the rest. In days gone by I assume they had cleared a field of fire, or was this intended mre as a place to withstand bombardment?
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2011-10-03 19:10:52 +0000 UTC]
The road connects two of the four entrances, and it runs alongside the wall with a tall enbankment on it's other side. So the picture was taken from the interior embankment, overlooking the wall. So, answering your question I quess it must have acted as a field of fire, also.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2011-10-05 05:17:16 +0000 UTC]
So the picture was taken from a ridge surrounded completely by fortifications?
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2011-10-28 13:17:52 +0000 UTC]
I think I can answer that visually, see here: [link] the area in the triangle was my view. It's the exact model of the actual fortress basically how it is now. Trees all over it right now, though.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2011-10-29 16:55:38 +0000 UTC]
That's much bigger than I thought, and layed out so invaders trying to breech the walls would be caught in a crossfire. Somebody figured that out in Medieval times, I think. Thanks!
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2011-11-06 13:32:13 +0000 UTC]
There are these small details, like pre-made (not an afterthought) indents on both sides of the gate's frame to lodge the doors between them. No way to fire at people inside because window holes are 'tilted'. I'd like to buy the thing, renovate and make it into my personal fortress overlooking the town. But I only have 300 dollars. I need at least a 100 more.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2011-11-08 00:13:51 +0000 UTC]
In the old days we called them "murder holes," behind which we could kill with relative impunity. Four Hundred Dollars is a lot of money, but it's a pretty good fortress.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2011-12-08 20:41:18 +0000 UTC]
Yes it is, and it makes me incredibly sad that the 'authorities' are allowing these old walls to be destroyed by even tree roots. The bunkers are awesome, too. Concrete and earth, They seem at least a meter thick. There are 4 or 5 camo infantry shelters, which you can explore with a flashlight, and the acoustics are incredible. Basically if you say a word out lout, you can hear the reverb for like 3 seconds.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2011-12-08 22:52:51 +0000 UTC]
Sounds like a good place to explore, especially in no-one else is around.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2011-12-21 18:08:08 +0000 UTC]
Actually, people who explore that place are often interesting people, preferring exploring than discoing. So, plenty good conversation starters there.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2011-12-22 02:54:28 +0000 UTC]
It is interesting to put yourself in all kinds oif places and times by an act of imagination, possibly educational as well.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2012-01-07 19:44:22 +0000 UTC]
I can't imagine away all the changes that have been made to the original design, but I still get an eerie feeling when I realize it's actually a fortress, and there is no way for anyone to enter or get out. There are four gates (known ones, anyway), two of which are closed off permanently and two open in the daytime protected by huge thick doors and small moats. I'd like to buy it and live in it.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2012-01-10 19:03:47 +0000 UTC]
And for income you could rent part of it out as a prison,and house recalcitrant chipmonks.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2012-01-13 11:37:08 +0000 UTC]
Noo, no prisons. Completely empty, should be quiet enough to hear the ghosts from the past.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2012-01-13 21:35:26 +0000 UTC]
Believe me, put me in charge of the chipmonk felons and there will only be noise once.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2012-02-05 18:09:58 +0000 UTC]
We have to bother with tens of thousands because a few of them have been accused by judges who themselves should have plead guilty.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2012-02-05 21:33:48 +0000 UTC]
Our judges today have not read their job description. Instead of interpreting the laws they make them.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2012-03-02 12:47:28 +0000 UTC]
That's how I know businesses will not only own but replace governments.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2012-03-02 19:49:56 +0000 UTC]
Are you implying corruption? Goodness, I'm sure our men and women of the black cloth would never be tempted by any bribe! Just like our politicians, free of sin and bedevilment.
Seriously, they already own the government, along with "Political Action Commitees." But skill in propaganda determines what corporations will control the government through the electorate. And that involves accurately assessing the weaknesses of the individual voters. Sloganeering seems to be the most effective tool. "Change we can believe in!" and "Yes we can!!" Won out last time around here. 'Can what?' was apparently never asked.
I prefer "Arnold Toynbee or death!"
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2012-05-01 19:01:00 +0000 UTC]
I can't even say corruption because there'd be vans outside my window in a matter of hours. We'll just say, quoting from the series breaking bad - 'attitude adjustment' .
I'd argue about the effectiveness of slogans. I think mass media support and opposition ridiculement are primary tools, slogans are basically a poor man's political program.
It's our own fault for being naive. Recently I've found myself using extrapolation of sorts to understand stuff. Like, if you have discrepancies between salaries even in a three person company then you're bound to have huge stratification considering millions/billions of people.
Pay is just one thing, though. Seems we're too evolved not to eat each other.
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nunheh In reply to michalrz [2012-05-01 22:40:23 +0000 UTC]
Because Poland has not evolved to the point of stupidity that we have, sloganeering may not be as effective. When they fill up a football stadium with people who listen to nothing you can pin down but chant mightily along with "Yes we can!" and "Change we can believe in!" and wave those dinky little American flags they hand out at the entrance and tell you what to with them (wave them back and forth while you chant), you know you've evolved as a republic.
Extrapolation is often the way you have to think about everything that doesn't make sense. You have to find something to hang onto from your own experience, no matter how bizarre the topic may be.
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michalrz In reply to nunheh [2012-05-08 18:51:29 +0000 UTC]
Oddly enough extrapolation doesn't explain reality for most people even though they seem perfectly capable. After each elections they'll have regrets not remembering about the store clerk they scolded about the bread being not fresh enough just that morning. I don't know if this is clear enough...
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