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Omnipotrent β Joker vs. Batman: The final problem
Published: 2013-07-28 11:03:00 +0000 UTC; Views: 2125; Favourites: 48; Downloads: 0
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This is something I drew back in 2007, found it recently. I drew it with markers and pencil for the outline.Related content
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This reminds me of Frank Millar's art back in the days where he didn't lose his talent
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I want a movie that basically has their ultimate final battle. A movie that hits all of the best and important points of their rivalry and comes to conclusive ending.
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Well, they don't have to stop making batman and joker stories if that's your reasoning.
Anyways, I really like this drawing. Well done.
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No it's more that I've always wanted that myself, but if there's anything i've learned reading comics, it's that DC will never ever give us thatΒ
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Well, maybe on the 200th anniversary of Batman they'll finally crack.
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Maybe! Although i wanna say the best place they could've was last year during Death of a Family
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Well, not for a cinematic production.
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I wasn't talking about cinematic production i was talking about comic lore
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Oh, yeah.
Anyway, nice chat. I'm gonna go before I get confusing.
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No no it's fine. Believe me, I would LOVE to have a finale encounter between Batman and the Clown Prince of Crime. Thus far, my favorite "Kind of sort of" one, is Batman Beyond Return of the Joker.
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I've watched that movie twenty times. It was really good. Especially since Batman finally beat the joker on so many levels.
Actually, I was thinking of drawing something like you did here, except Batman grabs the Joker and pulls him over the edge and they go together.
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Exactly,
Itβs the idea of batman that defeats Joker, proof that batmanβs cause is more powerful then Jokersβ, because itβs embodied by an unrelated nobody (to Joker) and yet heβs still beaten by it, and not just jokerβs idea, him, HE was beaten by the idea of batmanβ¦twice. Once by a Robin he brainwashed, and again by Batmanβs prodigy, in the future.
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Though bad ideas die hard.
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Yeppers.
I loved the Red Hood, brought a whole new idea to the mix
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I always wanted to read more of the comics but it's so hard to get started since there's so many of them.
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Oh believe me don't i know it.
But I mean the movie of it
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Yeah, I know. I was just saying.
Man, I also need to WATCH more Batman. There's a lot of his movies I haven't seen yet. I better catch up.
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Indeedy weedy batsy!
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See, this is exactly what I meant, I'm confusing you now.
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Oh were you imitating Joker just now?
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Yeah, a tiny bit. I do that a lot.
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Falling's a lot like flying, except with a more...permanent destination.
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Mwhahaha
Glad you got the referenceΒ
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Glad you've seen Sherlock. Β Joker and Moriarty have always been compared, and there was definitely some Joker in their take on Moriarty.
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Well, to be honest, i see it more as the Moriarty of SHERLOCK was really a spastic Joker to Holmes' Batman then joker as a character being the Moriarty to Batman.
Ras' Al Ghul has always really been more of the Moriarty character, Joker has just always been the inversed deranged side of batman's coin. Β Almost like an Anti-Batman.
The Moriarty in Sherlock is more likened to a "I'm not touching you, i'm not touching you! Oh i'm smarty then you, Na na na na na na!" Annoying kid on a playground other then an actual wits duelist.Β
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When I talked with Neal Adams at The Denver Comic-Con, I asked him about the creation of Ra's Al Ghul, and he told that Dennis O'Neil created him with the mindset of him being Batman's Moriarty. Β Neal Adams told me that when he deigned Ra's Al Ghul, that he wanted him, and I quote, "Look like a guy that if he walked into a room, he'd impress the hell outta me." Β So, you get a cookie for picking up on the creator's original intent with Ra's Al Ghul.
Also, I really love the way you summed up SHERLOCK's version of Moriarty.
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Thank you.
Really I've looked at every villain in respect to Batman and what each represent, even the Robin's
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Fascinating. Β I'd love to hear your thoughts, man.
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Well, each of his Robins' are in a way different versions of him, almost anyway
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I get it. Β Dick is a more emotionally stable version, Jason is him consumed with rage over his mission, Tim is him as an intellectual, and Damian is him a solely a warrior(at least when he was first introduced).
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Damien is more of his son in so far that he's not like bruce the most, he's his own person, like actual children who are raised with the help of their fathers.
Dick is Bruce if he had more time with his parents before they died, so his outlook on life is not as bleak or merciless.
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Hmph. Hmph. Β True, true.
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The smoke in the background looked like rocks in the thumbnail and made me think of the scene in Sherlock Holmes story "The Final Problem" where Moriarty and Holmes duke it out at Reichenback Falls.
Maybe a not entirely inappropriate mistake, given the dynamic between Batman and The Joker.
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So it was intentional on your part then?
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Not directly, but I've always loved villain/hero confrontations that end in a decent, much like Reichenback falls, so yes, their fall was inspired by Holmes, the clouds in the background to augment it was not.
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