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If I recall correctly, the video doe use that exact term to describe it. And this is where I realize that I didn't add the video link to the description. lol ... fixing that now.
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Isn't that also called, "Not thinking things through."?
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This video explains the "why". Use any buzzword you want to give a name to the "what". Added it into the description. I thought I had added it but oops! Apparently not! All taken care of now!
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Indeed. This is why it is hard to change someone's beliefs. It is the result of not wanting to be wrong.
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To add to your point, it is why it is impossible to change someone else's beliefs. The only thing in this world you can control, is yourself. You can only be the change you want to create and in so doing, inspire others to do the same. Like a living meme. But convincing? Thats not possible. Thousands of years of history have proven that because people's view of reality is subjective based on their personal experiences, that it is literally impossible to convince anyone of anything. It doesn't matter what facts you might have, because having data does nothing if the mind can't connect the data dots to form the full picture.
The naive can be deceived and the open minded can be inspired but at no time ever has one human successfully "convinced" another human of anything.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3h2CN…
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I never challenge other people's believe
For this exact reason
I like to stay away from knifes and sharp and deadly words
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I don't usually agree with stories and articles from The Free Thought Project, but this particular image does have some factual evidence. Examples? This very comment section. People agree with the image, and people disagree with the image, and both sides show signs of this "cognitive dissonance." When people test our views that are very important to us, we interpret it as a personal attack; and so we avidly defend ourselves in irrational ways such as insulting the other person or disregarding their statements completely.
All sides in any situation will have people who show cognitive dissonance. Conservatives (or "cancervatives", as some call them) and liberals (or "libtards", as some call them) are an excellant example. You have the extremist conservatives who flaunt their guns, parade for and campaign pro-life, and go to church every Sunday. On the other hand, you have the extremist liberals who push that everything must be PC (politically correct), believe that we should help anyone and everyone in need no matter what, and scream on Tumblr.
No side is perfect. They have their flaws, they all do. But what we can hope to achieve is having civilized, respectful debates with one another by trying to see from their perspective. Conservatives want to keep our country safe from outsiders but sometimes go too far (maybe so far as to show signs of racial discrimination); Liberals want everyone, especially minorities, to feel accepted and safe (but sometimes at the cost of the others, especially the majority.) There are good points and bad.
Please, if you find yourself in an argument, be respectful rather than sarcastic. Be diplomatic and calm rather than angry and hateful. Accept the fact that not everyone will agree. Do some good for once and don't be closed-minded.
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Conservatives want to keep our country safe from outsiders but sometimes go too far (maybe so far as to show signs of racial discrimination); Liberals want everyone, especially minorities, to feel accepted and safe (but sometimes at the cost of the others, especially the majority.) There are good points and bad.
Actually today's conservatives were yesterday's liberals - the ones who fought against slavery and wanted equal rights. It was the old conservatives who were the slave owners and racists.
However at some point the terms Conservative and Liberal got 'flipped' in the US.
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I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. Yes, old conservatives were generally the type to be more racist and even own slaves, but even though slavery isn't in our country today, we still can see racial discrimination. I'm not saying that you're not allowed to have bias, but many conservatives today DISCRIMINATE others (usually the minority in terms of race). In turn, liberals discriminate against other people; usually the majority in terms of race and gender.
Not every conservative is racist, and not every liberal is sensitive and whiny.
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Just saying the two terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' got flipped. To me majority/minority are racist terms.
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"Majority" and "minority" don't necessarily point towards race 100% of the time. For example, the majority of the world, in terms of sex, is male at 51%. The majority of the world in terms of animal species is ants, with a population estimated at 500 trillion.
Even when used in the topic of race, the two words are simply factual. The majority of the world is East Asian. This isn't saying that those of East Asian descent are the best, it's simply stating the fact that the world has more East Asians than any other race.
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In the US however those words should not be used in any regard in terms of. . .well. . .everything concerning people. The first three words after the title of the US Constitution is 'We The People'. It is not only a declaration but also a goal. Attaching Minority/Majority to people does not help.
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This is why it's so pointless to argue with a liberal. Their opinions aren't based on "being right" they're only concerned with "being liked" (identity), it literally occupies a different geographical location in the brain apart from things that can be debated rationally.
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I don't think it's just "liberals" as you state. If you try to argue with anybody who is too far/too deep into their beliefs, there is no rationalizing. I see this the most when arguing with...deeply religious people.
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*sigh*
Let me simplify things.
If you try to set reason in with an extremist of any sort it won't work because extremist usually have huge egos and refuse to let reason sway them, and the statement that this meme put up also support what I am trying to say.
Does that make sense?
Also, please don't say something dumb such as, "You're avoiding my question, you're full of shit." or, "You didn't provide an example so you're wrong."
I am not trying to do any of those things, I just wish to reach the same goal with less effort.
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Your assumption that I'm an "extremist" is based upon nothing but your own ignorance. Thanks to your behavior I am under the belief that you actually don't know what you're talking about, so I asked you to present an example that backed up your assertion. You didn't. Therefore, it's safe to assume the obvious. Still confused? You're awful at debating.
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"You're awful at debating."
You're pretty fucking shite at it yourself. It is entertaining watching you have a melt down though.
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Make a point or shush, douchebag
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Now continue crying, knob jockey.
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You jumped in this threat just so you could cry about me, you gigantic fuckin fruit
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Absafuckingloutly. I need a fresh punching bag and reading your comments, it seems you're a glutton for punishment.
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Okay cry harder bitch
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I never said you were an extremist. Now you're just pulling things out of your ass.
Now, I refuse to participate in your flame war, this is an idiots game. Why did I even attempt to reason with people again?
People are too dumb and stuck up in themselves to accept anything else. You are what you claim to hate. Saying the exact same things and ending up nowhere.
"Look at me I'm a snowflake! I'm so smart and you're a retard."
Have a lovely day. I've had my share of ignorance, we'll agree to not talk to each other and save beloved time.
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What's that? No examples that would make anyone observing this conversation think you have a point? No? Alright then, fuck off into space.
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Ahh, this would have been much more interesting if I took the appearance of the embodiment of what you hate and played games with you. Oh well~
Or maybe the embodiment of what you hate is everyone who isn't you? Don't know, don't care
Don't ever get a yes-man, my good sir, your poor little brain will rot that way.
Now love, go be free from your internet yelling misery.
I hope you have a lovely day.
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Don't bother with this guy. Trust me, I've tried and all he knows how to do is commit every logical fallacy known to man. Either he's trolling you, or he really doesn't know that one can make an educated guess about him online based on his behavior. I'm no infallible engine of logic and reason either, but this guy is about as easy to reason with as it is to forge steel in an igloo.
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I can't figure out if it's possible to block certain people from responding. Do you know if you can do that on this site?
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There is! Here is how to do it:
1. Hover over your username on the top right corner of the screen, do not click, hover your mouse.
2. A drop down menu will appear, bring your mouse down and click on Settings.
3. You will get to a page where on the left, there is a menu of things to select. You will be automatically be brought into the identity sections where you will see your Avatar, and blank signature box. Go straight to the menu on the left and click on General.
3. Scroll down in general until you see a block called blocked users. Stop there, and manually type in the usernames of those who you wish to block.
Hope that helped!
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It doesn't seem to work on blocking people from replying to me on someone else's art comments section. Is that one of the exceptions to the block? Or am I just doing it wrong?
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When you clock people you can't talk to them and they can't talk to you. Try following the instructions again, but if there's a save button click it.
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Waiting, waiting, waiting. Still nothing? Okay then, why haven't you fucked off already? Fuck. Off.
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Stop cursing me off and sway me with facts to think the broken way you do, then I will. You're just barking at me though like a mindless dog. You're barking, but what do you bark for?
Also, let's make a pact.
Let's have a civilized conversation to try to understand each other. No snarky comments, no cursing. It's not cool, it's not cute, it just makes you look like one of the 10-year-olds on the internet who only do it "cuz it's cool lulz".
You tell me what you think and why. Tell me why I am wrong.
Can we do that? I am willing to oblige if you are.
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Well sure I'll help you out. Let's say for the sake of argument that I'm a statistically average conservative with views you would generally find among an American Republican. You're insisting that I have views that are illogical, irrational, and cannot be debated rationally. Since you've provided zero examples that would convince anybody else this, what you're doing is insulting, instead of making an actual point. It's very important that you actually rationalize your insults, otherwise they're just insults and you shouldn't be surprised when you're insulted in return.
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I see what I mean. I apologize greatly, that is not the message I intended to send out to you. I will tackle down where I messed up.
1. I never meant to accuse you of being extremist or super right. I do acknowledge your political standings though.
2. I am saying not you, but if you have a different point of view than an extremist, you cannot reason with them because of Cognitive Dissonance, and other things that keep their mind set put in their thoughts.
Let's set an example, but a kind of silly internet based one.
There is a news article, discussing how some extreme Scientologist claims the Earth is flat.
You too also realize, (or have been convinced by the article's evidence, whatever floats your boat) that the Earth is round, and not flat. The fact that somebody even still believes in such a thing boggles you a little.
Some person in the comments section is screaming about how this article is wrong! They too believe that the Earth is flat.
Now, you could try to calmly explain and show facts that they're wrong, but they're an extremist, and they won't be swayed.
They are stuck in their ways and refuse to change, no matter how long you give them valid points and citations, they don't believe you.
That is what I am trying to say. Bleh, I tried. I hope I didn't word things weirdly or say something misleading again.
I hope you understand what I mean.
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Hah, it's funny, I've actually debated "flat earth" people, not sure why you think it has anything to do with Scientology, I think you're a little misinformed about your topics. It's easy. Ask them what shape they think liquids coalesce into in zero gravity. You can get in a plane, fly it up into the air, point it at the ground, and descend at a speed that replicates the effects of zero gravity. You can then take a bottle of water, pour it out, and the water will eventually become a spheroid. Just like the way that water forms a sphere, molten rock in zero gravity forms a sphere, like the way that planets were before they hardened and solidified. If they don't believe me, they're free to test out the experiment on their own time and see for themselves. What you might not actually be aware, is that the "skeptic community" throws out things like the flat earth theory as a way to signal to other skeptics that they're part of their "group". The point isn't to make some positive claim about the Earth, it's to signal that they reject anything they can't readily prove or disprove using their two eyes and the space directly in front of them. I understand how this can be confusing to somebody who hasn't immersed themselves within these groups and studied them from the inside, but the motive is far less nefarious and less unreasonable than it appears on the surface.
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I just said Scientology because if was the first group of crazy people I could think of.
While yes, you could ask them all those things, and they might not know the answer, but since they are down the rabbit hole of this belief or thought, it is highly unlikely that they'll ever agree with you.
What you stated is very accurate and correct! I just simply wish to state that no matter what, an extremist is usually set in their ways.
I very much appreciate all of that though. Thank you very much.
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I think you're just looking at somebody who disagrees with you about something and calling them an extremist once you realize your skills at persuasion aren't good enough to win your debate.
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I usually don't participate, I'm a lurker~
I watch other people debate, people who stated very valid points like you, people who do literally everything that points to one conclusion, but the other person still shakes their head and says no, even if they don't even know how to prove themselves right anymore.
It just ends up being a lose-lose situation then
Nobody won, and nobody is happy right now, or hypothetically in that example.
Do you understand what I am saying?
I think that statement is easy, it's simply "There is no reasoning with an extremist."
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Sure I've seen that happen, but to my experience this idea that "everybody does it" or "both sides do it" is always stated by the group that tends to be the most wrong. Some groups are just more logical and reasonable than other groups. Cultural relativism is this idea that all cultures are the same, that there is no such thing as a superior culture to an inferior culture. It's a lie spread by people from an inferior culture that just doesn't like the fact that their culture is inferior. That's where this idea comes from that "extremists are everywhere", not so, not to the same extent, not even close.
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I see what you mean. People are quite strange...
I accept your statement and take it into account.
I apologize for coming off rude or condescending.
I don't want to come off as some ass-hole who think they know everything, so I once again apologize if that was the impression I gave.
I really prefer debates like this, because then nobody loses, if this is really a "debate". Probably more or less a discussion.
In a debate, I think either both win or both lose. If one sways the other that they're right, they win in accuracy, but the other participant wins knowledge.
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Thanks, you're welcome
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Coniberals. Libservatives. Democans. Republicrats. All humans. Different expressions of the same left-right dick wag. All completely missing the points, which is why nothing ever gets done. Classic divide and conquer tactics.
If you wish to conquer a nation, don't send in any armies. Just divide its citizens and the nation will destroy itself and defeat itself for you. Those who believe in the "blame game" are falling for this tactic. In a world where we love things and use people, instead of loving people and using things -- it is very easy for people to become addicted to feeling justified.
The whole left vs right, or liberal vs conservative -- to me, is like asking the marital status of the number 5. Then when I point out the logical fallacy of such a line of questioning, each side places me in "the enemy camp". The Liberals claim I am ALT-RIGHT, and the Conservatives claim I am a Liberal. All because I refuse to conform to either side and I choose to think for myself.
If you want to know where to place blame, if placing blame is your thing -- then blame humanity first and foremost, then place the rest of the blame squarely in the mirror to acknowledge that as a human, you are capable of being tricked by those who desire to deceive you -- and take personal response ability in your own role in being a cooperative component of this world we all are living in. If you can do that, then you can shift your mind towards solutions-based thinking, instead of group-think mob mentality.
Nothing is the fault of any one single group. Humanity, is fucked in the head. Period. Once we come out of denial of this, we can begin to heal our species but not until then. For as long as the left-right dick wag is as addictive as it has been, then humanity will destroy itself until the only survivors are the ones who refused to dance the Collective Stockholm Syndrome Dance.
Those who refuse to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.
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Emaxpmles plearsewae
This...
IS
SPARTHA!
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I'm not sure how to simplify what I already feel is obvious. Look in the mirror for an example. Look at our political system for an example. Look at how everyone in the world acts, for an example. If these examples are not good enough, then I can't help you.
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