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You're just ignoring the facts I've repeated to you over and over again because you disagree with them.
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You two are barking things at each other like dogs, and you'll continue barking and biting like an angry little bitch until somebody begs to put the rabid dog down. I am not saying anybody is right, nor anybody is wrong. I am simply saying that none of you are successfully reasoning with another and that you should just give up. It's a lost cause. People pick the "facts" that they want to believe and attach their souls onto them, thus defending them to their death.
I have no hostility towards any of you, I just believe that you all can stop arguing and use your time more wisely to do "that one thing" that you really want/need to do.
Have a lovely day both of you. <3
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You're not even bothering to point out where I'm wrong. You're just behaving like a smug asshole without even trying to justify it. Fuck off already.
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I'm not going to argue with you, I simply wanted to make you aware of your waste of time.
Now I hope that you have a wonderful life, but I fear I won't continue to converse here.
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The record shows that you've done literally nothing to convince anybody you're right about anything. Now run along.
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Have a lovely day my dear.
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I think that every group believes that they are trying to do the altruistically correct thing, and that each group has some good ideas, and also has some not so good ideas. That all groups try to defend their particular views against all others, because they see their view as "the real world as it functions" and they see everyone else as being "the gullible and mislead". I've seen both sides be arrogant. I've seen both sides be wise. I've seen both sides do right, and both sides do wrong. All humans are human. Sometimes we are foolish. With any luck, we might choose to learn from the mistakes as trial and error is a valid learning process. There is no guarantee that anyone will learn, as learning such things or not is a choice, not an absolute.
The irony here is I completely agree with you, but simply from a perspective that is outside of the two camps currently at war with each other. So here is my version of what you just said:
"Everyone has been raised to believe that politics is about opinions and that everyone just has different views about how to reach the same goal. When people grow tired of the endless battle between left and right and observe the world holistically, as it truly functions -- they'll eventually realize that the split is between people who realize they have been gullible and easily mislead, and the people who feel they are immune from making mistakes. The ones who have egos too fragile to admit that all humans are capable of error and that the world is not as simple as black and white, and the ones who are willing to change their minds with new ideas and information. Who ask questions and seek to enlighten the willing, and who have no desire to dominate others with petty name calling and other trivial pursuits."
I don't think you are capable of "Agreeing to disagree". You clearly think that if I do not agree with you on something, that it automatically makes me full of shit. You clearly think that anyone who refuses to be dominated by your ideas, is an ignorant fool. How is this any different than what the liberals think of you? How are you acting any differently than the attitudes you claim to deplore?
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I'm not going to "agree to disagree" with you because I think you're literally wrong. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not going to get away with having your own reality. It's just going to collapse around you eventually. "How is this any different than what the liberals think of you?" Because I'm factually correct and they're factually incorrect. I've spent more time than you have studying these issues and I know the difference between facts and opinions. If you disagree, then actually try convincing anybody you're right about anything instead of spreading childish pabulum about how "we're all human". Sure we're all human, but liberals are uniquely gullible and easily mislead on functionally every important issue. If you disagree, present an example expressing your disagreement. The fact that you can't is very telling.
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From my perspective, you did just "agree to disagree" as you just said to me that I am entitled to my own opinions. You're merely elaborating on exactly how and why you disagree, which is fair enough.
In my opinion and you can take it for whatever you deem it worth, facts are like a house and a house, is only as solid as its foundation. The foundation being, what type of person each of us chooses to be. If two people are both trying to dominate each other with their viewpoints, then both people are doing the exact same thing. I am confident that if a person wanted to "convince you of something" that calling you all sorts of childish names and making accusations at you, would not open your mind to their points. You would think they have proven themselves to be childish and unreasonable and you'd be right.
Plus, lets say for the moment that I am "factually incorrect" and "living in my own reality". Well, how do you help a drug addict or alcoholic? By name calling them and trying to dominate them with abuse on top of the self-abuse they have already suffered at the hands of their own stupidity? Or maybe being nice (not ass kissing, just not being a jerk either) might make them more open minded? There are kind ways to hammer drop hard truths. Using the proverbial spoon full of sugar to make the medicine go down, does not require cottling anyone or trying to shield them in emotional bubble wrap. But rather, to help them calm their minds and prepare themselves to make a very hard road, slightly less hard.
I don't see how the way you conduct yourself is any different than the attitudes of the liberals.
- You both think you're right about everything
- You both try to force your views on each other
- You both disrespect each other
- Neither are willing to listen
- Both think that the other is living in delusion
- Both act like angry toddlers in response to each other (regardless of any articulate sounding language used in the process)
So now I have another couple of questions for you:
- Why am I obligated to care about or conform to what anyone else thinks?
I don't mean that as a condescending or spiteful question. I mean that simply as, do I not have the right to think as I wish and to express that as I wish? I have no expectations of anyone else to agree with me, nor any desire. I am merely just being myself, however retarded that self may or may not be in your or anyone else's view. Why also would I want to dominate or be dominated by anyone else? Why is any of this supposed to be important to me? Its not. That may be hard for you to believe because maybe your view of reality dictates that all humans are obligated to hold high value on such things, making it seem to you as if anyone claiming to not is being fraudulent or delusional. As you continue to correspond with me, you will see that you will neither offend me, nor convince me to see nor care about any of your perspectives. I truly don't care. Nor do I expect you to care. And I've never said otherwise. It even says so on my main deviantART profile.
So, eventually you will grow wary of this conversation because you're expecting that either I will crumble to your view, or that I will respond aggressively to it. Either way, thus then proving your own sense of rightness to yourself. But neither will happen. So I just thought it fair to warn you that you're not going to get out of this correspondence what you think you'll get out of it.
Whether or not you or anyone else understands or agrees with any of my points, is irrelevant to me.
Because that is what true freedom and liberty is.
The right for each person, regardless of how insane or delusional any other person might view them as, to be who they are and express themselves as who they are -- as long as their expressions are not infringing upon anyone else's rights to the same.
I personally do not think you understand the basis of freedom of liberty and I find your view to be totalitarian. No, I don't think you're "literally Hitler" or any such nonsense. I just feel that you have a very authoritarian view of things, and that view is in direct opposition to freedom and liberty, and I feel that both the left and the right have become extremely authoritarian.
If I'm delusional for thinking so, then cool. Then it is up to you to decide whether or not you wish to waste your time conversing with a hopeless fool, or to move on to greener pastures. Because this fool doesn't even care to fight with you or name call you. So that makes me boring and retarded. Double the insufferance.
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If somebody insulted me but at the same time made factual points that addressed the arguments I'm making in a way that actually debunks my claims and presents more factual ones, I would be able to separate the insults from the rest and actually address the rest of it. Apparently you can't. Apparently your brain is so underdeveloped that if anybody insults you, your brain shuts down and can't accept any other information afterwards. I've noticed this phenomenon in people like you. It's typical among liberals.
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I personally feel that you are making the classic mistakes that Larken Rose outlines in this video. If you are being truthful about your lack of fear of being exposed to new data, then you won't mind watching this short video in its fullness, and keeping an open mind. This is someone who holds the same viewpoint as I do, but he debates it far better than I am capable of doing.
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This is another example of the typical behavior of liberals. When anyone disagrees with you, you assume the reason is because they have less information than you do. Never do you stop and ask yourself if the reason is because I actually have more information than you do. That thought never even crosses your mind.
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I am genuinely curious about what you think of this video. If you are too #triggered to watch it, I respect your right to do as you wish. As I said, I've no desire to conform you to my view.
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Again, I think it's droll pseudo-intellectual pabulum spread by people who can't objectively analyze their own opinions on a case by case basis and instead regress into this idea that there is no such thing as an objective truth. There is no "You think I'm wrong but you think I'm wrong therefore we're both simultaneously wrong and right".
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Okay, so you won't watch the video then. No problem. Though I am curious to know your thoughts on the video, I do not feel that I reserve the right to try to force you to watch it. You have yourself a nice day.
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This guy is a troll wasting your valuable time, Dave. Look how long this dragged on. 
Reading this was like watching some horrible car crash that you just can't tear your eyes away from lol.
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I was enjoying providing an example to others that there are ways of dealing with such people that don't include letting them get under your skin. If we don't show others by example what it looks like to not be intimidated, then anything said about empowerment is merely rhetoric without substance.
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I see where you're coming from -- with 'normal' trolls, sure.
Now, I'm not saying THIS one isn't a 'normal' troll...
Consider this:
There's another kind of 'troll' out there we need to be aware of as well. Their job (literally a job) is not to 'intimidate' you per se (it is because you are not easily intimidated that you make a good target for observation). It is to waste your time while observing you so they can 'sum you up'.
It's to figure out what other kind of vulnerability(s) you may have. We're the 'front lines'. If intimidation doesn't work on us, they have to figure out what will.
Psyops, observing social interactions/reactions (including steering/brainwashing)... Observing how long we can be 'pulled along' before we 'figure it out'...
So many of us are way beyond 'intimidation'. 'They' know that. This is far worse -- being the victim of a psyop without even realizing it (and it's not just government/deep state doing it -- anyone with a interest in human psychology who happens to have a bit of a sadistic side would get a kick out of conducting their own social experiments -- the internet is ripe with this sort of thing).
There's so much more going on than what appears on the surface.
How do you know you're not being observed/steered right now?
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To me, it doesn't matter because to decide my actions based in fear, is ultimately what those trolls want. To show that I am going to be me regardless, of my own choices, for my own reasons and completely independent of what they say or think -- then it shows them that I am a waste of their time, and it shows others how to also be a waste of their time as well. It has worked very well for me and provided me with measurable results over the years. So regardless of who may or may not be what -- I am going to trust my own measurable results from my own evidence within my own life. I am not going to deny the truth of any of those experiences, no matter who types lines of text on a screen -- be it a well intended online friend, or a paid troll.
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'Be it a well intended online friend, or a paid troll'... (or a bot, don't leave out the bots). Lol!
I'm not suggesting you be intimidated OR fearful (same thing, yes?) in whatever you do.
All I'm suggesting is to be aware -- maybe even MORE aware than you've been. You might make different/wiser choices to how you share your time.
I'm learning as I go along. Today I'm wiser than I was yesterday (at least I think I am lol). There is ALWAYS room for improvement, Dave, and it can come out at you from left field.
Btw, this isn't fear that's making me share this info with you. You're one of the few people I actually give a shite or two about. I don't know much about you, your past, whatever, so take everything I say with that in mind.
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Already watched it before you shared it.
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You're dismissing all of my questions. I don't feel obligated to answer yours. Especially seeing as I already have answered.
Please go into deep details of exactly how and why I am full of shit. You can be my morning entertainment.
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So far you've presented zero examples. If you wanted to cause cognitive dissonance in, for example, me, what would you say? Take your time.
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I'm clearly too retarded to understand what you're asking of me. Please explain exactly how and why what I've provided isn't valid examples. If you don't show me what I'm doing wrong, then how can I give you what you want? Talk to me like I'm a 5th grader. Lay it out for me. In detail.
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I like your points and you're very straight forwards and valid, your points are factual and unbiased, just don't waste your time fighting with an extremist. They're all stupid. They think they're so different since they're on a different "side", but in the end, they're all screaming the same thing.
"Look at me I'm so damn special. People! People! I swear I'm different." or "I'm the smartest and all knowing! All the others are below me and retarded!"
HUmanity is pitiful, I say.
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Thank you
My words to him were not for his benefit. Often times many people let idiots like this guy upset them. I'm merely being an example of what not getting upset looks like. View humanity's pitifulness as a negative situation that provides you with positive opportunity for positive change. If our ideals are not challenged, we have no way of knowing they are truly real, and wonder if they are merely meaningless words. Only through experience which provides empirical evidence, can we truly prove to ourselves what is and is not real. And only if we're willing to have new experiences, and a willingness to over come our own addictions to sameness.
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Your words are poetic and flowy, but are no useless flower. You carry a certain feel and meaning whenever you type. I can feel your intent on what you're expressing, and I can receive the information of knowledge of which you want me to read. I agree with your statement once again.
And also no problem.
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I've discovered that "wit" is nothing more than one's choice to practice being more authentic. When people are trying to conform to everything and everyone, it can be stressful. That much stress cripples wit.
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I see. The more I think about your statement, the more I can see situations where the definition makes sense.
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You might also enjoy my youtube channel: www.youtube.com/psecdocumentar…
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Alright! Thanks!
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So that's why I believed thar Christians and Jesus has their terrible and stupid beliefs that led me to hate them. I think I have that kind of conflict.
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Well, I am a Christian and most other Christians hate me, because I do not share their fire and brimstone views of it. I think that Jesus was showing us that we already put ourselves on our own crosses of suffering, and that we are already in the hell of our own design. That he was showing us that we can if we so choose, come off of our crosses and put down these attitudes of division and hate. And that because Christians fall for the same divide and conquer tactics that all other humans also fall for -- this is why there are over 40,000 different denominations of Christianity. When a persons highest priority is to "appear correct to everyone around them" -- this is inherently narcissism and it no longer matters what their ideologies actually are, because they are only fooling themselves into thinking that their ideologies are actually correct. They don't care whether its truly correct, or not. What they care about, is the enjoyment they get from fighting others, and the rush of ego they feel when they either win, or at least they feel as if they have won, even if they didn't. Which is where the term "sore loser" comes in. Sore losers are sore, because they don't realize they have lost. Winners of the same mentality are cocky, because they do not realize that they have the same deplorable attitude as the loser does.
Conservatives think I'm a Liberal. Liberals think I'm a Conservative. Christians think I'm Non-Christian. Conspiracy nuts think I'm a New Ager and New Agers think I'm a conspiracy nut. The list goes on. All groups, regardless of ideology, always place me in the "enemy camp" because it does not dawn on them that it is possible for people to view things so differently, that their views do not fit into the "only two options" literalist absolutist extremism that society encourages people to have. So everything I say, sounds insulting and patronizing to them at worst, and delusional and pollyanna at best. So for me to claim that I hold views that are outside the boxes of both camps, is a highly offensive and patronizing thing for me to say to someone, when that person insists that who I am, absolutely must fall within their view of reality. Because they do not understand that each human "has their view" of reality. They think that what they have is facts and only facts and absolute immutable facts, and that what everyone else has, is bullshit. So to disagree with them and taking an opposing view, is offensive enough to them. But to claim that your view does not even oppose theirs and that you're not interested in dominating people with an ideology -- just sounds to them as if you're trying to say that you see unicorns flying down the street every day, and expecting them to be dumb enough to believe what to them, is clearly you lying to them and clearly insulting their intelligence. They can not fathom that other people might think differently than they do. It is the height of arrogance and it is how, in my experiences -- most humans view the world. Regardless of how factually right or wrong they may or may not be about any issue, their priorities are to dominate the world that has made them feel like a dominated victim. To get payback and revenge on the world which they feel has made them suffer. Never knowing that it is this attitude itself, that repeats the cycles of abuse of humanity warring with itself, as humanity does not ever learn from its mistakes, no matter who writes them down, and no matter how much evidence there is that if you keep making the same mistake, that the result will always be the same.
I've had to learn to be at peace with this harsh reality. And with that peace, comes my total indifference to both sides of a conflict. When both sides are being destructive, it does not matter who has the facts. Both sides want to destroy each other. That is the only fact that maintains any relevance.
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Based on what you've said, and speaking as a liberal who wants to lean more centrist, I do not see you in an sort of enemy camp. In fact, in the few posts I've read of yours on this page, I have come to admire your ability to analyze and interpret your views on whatever subject is at the forefront of your mind to be admirable.
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Thank you for that.
Yes, I know other "centrists" who learn slightly left or slightly right -- and none of them flip their shit on people or think in these absolutist extremist ways.
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Would you say that VentAnger is the kind of person who, to use your words, is flipping their shit in this forum? I ask because you seem to be a better judge of human behavior than me. The thing is that I have autism, so even though I ironically excel in social sciences, I would like a second opinion on his behavior.
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Side note, I have a youtube channel if you weren't aware of it: www.youtube.com/psecdocumentar…
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In my humble opinion, he is what I refer to as a "Reverse-SJW".
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Alright. But if you're a Christian, but other Christians hate you and think that you'e not, then that might be that you're ancestor weren't Christians. They could be pagans (like I am), Muslims or other religion alike. And you weren't blessed by Jesus and he didn't helped you or answered your prayers. Though no how hard you tried to, Jesus won't do something for you, like I tried years ago.
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God only provides opportunity for a person to help themselves. God will never "do it for you" and the Bible does not say that God wishes to be an almighty babysitter, doing everything for a bunch of idiots. However, human insecurity distorts everything it touches.
No ideology, religion or system of government can provide immunity against corruption. Pride comes before a fall in all cases.
Either we mature as a race and take personal responsibility, or we one day destroy ourselves and perhaps the next species to become sentient on this planet will hopefully learn to be more wise than we had been.
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Well, yeah. Of course.
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You are a very respectful and wise person. Glad to see more of this here on deviantART.
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Thanks. Though I'm not the perfect person and not with the perfect personality when I'm trying to deal with an arrogant person. But I'm glad you you understand me (as well as I to you).
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No one is perfect. And thats okay 
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You would likely also enjoy my youtube channel if you wish to look at it: www.youtube.com/psecdocumentar…
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