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Pick one. Just one. If there are so many examples and they're literally everywhere, this should be easy for you.
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I just picked several. If you don't understand the one's I've already listed, how will you understand any others?
All humans are raised to be addicted to fighting.
The conformity.
The adversarialism.
The dick wagging.
The materialism.
It has been the same ole same ole through all of history.
I am not able to do your homework nor anyone else's for you. If what I am saying is causing you cognitive dissonance, then learn more about history. Don't be a poster child for exactly what this meme is explaining. You are being your own example right now. It is not that I am not providing you with ample examples, but rather my examples do not make sense to you and you are trying to get me to respond in a way that your own neural networks already are used to. I can not respond to you in the way you're wanting. You are rejecting my examples, pending them "looking the way your brain insists they must look".
Well, I am answering you simply and clearly. If you do not see it, then understand that these so-called-liberals you hate so much -- can not see your points either and for the same reason. Because your responses do not fit into their box of thought.
My responses do not and can not fit into your box of thought. They do not fit into the conservative thinking, nor the liberal thinking. What I am explaining does not conform to left or right ideology. You are clearly very right-leaning in your thinking. I sound crazy to people who lean too far to the left or the right.
I'll give you only one last analogy, though I am confident that my time is wasted in the attempt.
You are wearing blue lens sun glasses (metaphorically).
I can speak all about color all I want, and all you are going to see is blue.
If you do not realize these lenses are on, then you will not be able to take the glasses off.
Does this not make it pointless for me to "discuss color" with someone who only sees blue?
Color does not exist for such a person.
They can not see it, and all evidence of color shows no color and looks only blue.
This is my last attempt to provide you with clarity. I'll not waste my time nor yours with any further attempts. Make of that whatever you wish to. I'm already used to both sides thinking I'm delusional. I rather enjoy it, actually. Besides -- we live in an insane world. If an insane world approved of me and considered me to be normal, that would be the day I check myself into a mental institution. For as long as an insane psychopathic self-destructive world thinks that I'm the one who is nuts -- it proves to me quite clearly that my sanity is in tact and gives me great peace. The fact that both sides disapprove of me, is evidence to this for me and always brings me comfort and reassurance.
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As a left-leaning liberal, I must concede that what you say is true. My own perceptions are colored by my history. That is not an excuse, but rather an admission of my own inherently flawed mind. I must agree that humanity's flaws will lead not only ourselves but much of the life on Earth to its doom. Do I wish it were different? Without question. Your demonstration of logic and patience with people is more than I can personally muster myself.
Though, I am conceding to you not based on my personal viewpoint, but based on your evidence provided in your previous statements. It is nice to see someone who can outwit and out-articulate me, as it gives me a model on which to base further advancements in my own ability to communicate effectively. Thank you.
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Exactly. It is funny how some people think that "lines of text on a screen" typed by "some stranger you don't know" is somehow supposed to take precedence over actual real, in person, physical reality life experiences. I would never expect any of my opinions to take priority over someone's real life physical experience.
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I'm asking you to present a question, one question, that would cause cognitive dissonance in one of the groups you're describing. People are noticing how you can't and deciding you're full of shit, just so you're aware.
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You asked and received
But blind man cant see what cannot be seen
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Then its a good thing I'm not here for a popularity contest, isn't it?
No human is immune from cognitive dissonance. Do you consider yourself to be immune? And if so, can you please give me the scientific evidence of this immunity?
I also find it hard to believe that "people are noticing" that I am "full of shit" because the majority of people already think I am, as I already clearly explained. The majority of the population of this world are caught up in the fake battle of left and right. Therefore, both sides deem me to be full of shit by default. So no one is just starting to notice. Both the left and the right have always thought this of me, and it comforts me that they do.
So, now what?
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Still waiting for an example. You don't have any, do you? That's what you're really trying to let everyone know?
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By the way, please take everything I've answered with so far and do a detailed dissection of it, as to exactly how and why each thing I've said is complete and total bunk. After all, if I am a victim of my own cognitive dissonance, then how can I untangle my web of retardedness if I am not provided a road map by the sharing of your epic wisdom and knowledge? Please, enlighten me. Show me the errors of my ways. Save my soul.
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So you don't even care enough about convincing anybody you're right about anything to present one single example. You can't even be bothered to cite one single example. Here, since you seem incapable of functioning like a basic human being, I'll give an example, and direct it at you. The Democrat party invented the KKK. That's causing you cognitive dissonance, isn't it. 
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I actually want to know when I'm wrong. Can you explain to me why the examples I gave are invalid? I still don't see it. I am apparently too retarded to see it on my own. You will need to point out my errors in very specific terms.
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Your vague generalities about how everybody of every political stripe suffers from the exact same amount of cognitive dissonance requires examples in order to convince anybody who doesn't already agree with you that you're right about anything. Still confused?
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I never said everyone suffers the exact same amount of it. I said, that both sides, all individuals -- to greater or lesser degree, suffer from it. That the world has been quite messed up for all of known human history. That phrases such as "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" do not exist just for the lulz. They are not meaningless cliches, they are affirmation of facts. No matter what ideology any human is taught, they are taught to defend that ideology against all others. This creates an inability to "agree to disagree" and a desire to "always appear correct". Such things had also always mattered to me as well, as I was a product of this world just as everyone else is. I've merely come out of denial of my own dysfunction and as such, have been able to learn more about it and thus, also more about the long term human problem.
The idea that being a part of any group, movement, religion, ideology or whatever -- can magically save someone from being co-opted by logical fallacy, is in and of itself a fallacy.
So can you please tell me which groups of humans are immune from being co-opted, and why they are immune? Because everything you're telling me just sounds to me as if you're claiming that I'm delusional for thinking that cognitive dissonance is a human problem, and that it is only some disease that people of specific ideological backgrounds can be infected with. So yeah, your logic does not sound logical to me.
So, what now?
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You were raised to believe that politics is about opinions and that everyone just has different views about how to reach the same goal. When you stop being a child and actually observe the real world as it functions, you'll eventually realize the split is between people who are gullible and easily mislead but have egos too fragile to admit it and change their minds with new information, and people who don't. That tends to form liberal and conservative groups, respectively.
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You realize conservatives are the ones sticking their fingers in their ears shouting "Everything is ok, nothing is wrong" when literally everyone else in the world is shouting at them that everything isn't and we need to take steps to fix it. Liberals are the ones willing to ask "Do you have evidence?" then alter their opinions on the new data as needed.
Conservatism literally means to conserve, and in the setting of politics it means to maintain the status quo under the belief it was the best and will always be the best. How can something be "the best" if there are all these things wrong with it? That is why conservatives are so against dissenting ideologies, or policies, because that would imply that their beliefs weren't right, and could be improved.
“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best” ― Otto von Bismarck, Iron Chancellor of Germany
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Example please? See you actually have to present actual real world examples of what you're talking about if you wanna convince anybody who doesn't already agree with you that you're right about anything, ya know. Try it! You might like the feel of it.
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Conservatives denying climate change despite 97% of the scientific community presenting absolutely overwhelming evidence that it is a thing.
Conservatives still claim trickle down economics is still a sound economic strategy, when history has shown twice that it actually causes economic disaster. Even Ronald Reagan (the guy who opened that Pandora's Box) reverted many of his tax cuts, because he realized they were causing so much harm to the country's economy and ability to function.
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Everybody agrees that climate changes over time. Nobody thinks that the climate is exactly the same as what it was millions of years go. Everybody agrees the climate is different now than it was then, and that mankind as a species has some effect on the global climate. That's all the "98% consensus" refers to. If you think it means that 98% of scientists agree on HOW MUCH mankind is changing the temperature vs that of natural change, you've just been lied to and your ego is too fragile to admit you misunderstood what you were told by (likely) some comedy news jester you saw on television. I'll prove it, easily. What percentage is mankind responsible for global temperature change vs that of change that happens naturally? Is it 80% manmade and 20% natural made? Is it 50/50? 20/80? It should be dawning on your right now that you actually have no clue. You've just pretending you do, and you were hoping nobody would call you out. See how easy that is? You're just gullible and easily mislead, but thanks for solidifying the stereotype of the average liberal, super educational!
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I guess reading comprehension isn't your strongest skill. Where did I say they agreed on the extent of human influence on climate change? Oh that's right, I didn't. I didn't say they agreed on the extent of human impact, YOU did. That still doesn't disprove my point though, that large amounts of the American population either don't believe it's real or don't believe humans have anything to do with it, and the places that do believe it is man made are some of the bluest states in America; while red states mostly don't believe.
This is the kind of thing that makes people think conservatives are stupid, you are avoid the point I made because it's true. I wasn't talking about how much impact human activity has, because if I was talk about that I'd would mention scientist don't agree to what degree of impact we are having. But I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the straight out denial of climate change's existence by the majority of conservatives.
Read, don't assume. Listen, and comprehend.
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So, notice how you can't answer the question. Since you can't even answer how much mankind effects global temperatures, that's why nobody agrees with you that your proposed solutions are worth the costs. How is this confusing you? Are you just easily confused? You're gullible, easily misinformed, and you just proved it, to everybody observing this conversation. Thanks
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Yet notice, you haven't disprove the claim that the majority of conservatives don't believe in global warming in any capacity. Which is what the topic is. Again, you are trying to deflect the conversation, because you know you can't back up your claims.
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You're obviously gullible and easily misinformed, so let me fill you in on a secret: Everybody agrees that climate changes and that mankind has some effect. Your idea that "the majority of conservatives think the climate has been the same for millions and millions of years" is moronic, you sound like a moron every time you suggest that. Rick Perry, Trump's Secretary of Energy, thinks that the climate changes and that mankind has some effect. Now let's focus again on the science, shall we? Nobody agrees on what percentage mankind effects global temperatures vs that of natural change. If you disagree with this fact, then feel free, tell me what's the percentage breakdown. 80/20? 50/50? 20/80? You have no fucking clue, obviously. Since you can't even answer that basic, simple question, it only stands to reason that normal people would be skeptical about your proposed solutions. Since you can't convince anybody you're right, you just claim that everyone who disagrees with you about that one specific point ACTUALLY doesn't think climate changes at all. It's obvious what you're doing. It's pathetic. You look ridiculously stupid right now, you just don't realize it.
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3 people don't represent all conservatives, but since you keep dodging the point, I'll tell you what the answer is. 18% of conservatives believe climate change even exist to begin with. And again, most of those conservatives live in blue states, where they don't have people consistently telling them it's a "Chinese hoax," or "scientist conspiracy."
And you know that in a debate, insulting people is the equivalence of forfeiting the argument, because you have ceased to provide valid counter arguments.
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You're losing this debate so you're crying about insults, obviously. Where are you even getting these poll numbers from? Your ass? I can guarantee what you're looking at is a poll asking people "is mankind primarily responsible for global climate change", not "does climate ever change, ever, in the history of the planet". You're doing it again, you're conflating two radically different positions together as a way to make yourself feel smart. You just look even stupider
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You didn't counter my point. Give me your numbers then, if you think you're right.
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Answer the question. Where did you get those numbers from? Show your work so we can look at the actual question that was asked instead of the one you're pretending was asked.
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"Show your work so we can look at the actual question that was asked instead of the one you're pretending was asked."
The topic was against your claim that conservatives change their opinions to accommodate new information. Which I claimed to be wrong, then presented two points as evidence. You on the other hand have failed to provide any evidence to support your claim, and have instead resorted to attacking my evidence, and futile attempts to attack my ego.
Even if you did manage to present counter evidence that shot down mine, that still wouldn't make you right, because you have failed to proven you are right. All it would mean is there is no right answer to the question.
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Why aren't you telling anybody where you got that poll number from? Is it because you just made it up?
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Hahahah, I'm starting to suspect you just made that number up
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See, if you were as smart as you thought you were. You'd know that was the Pew Research Center's servery they conducted, May 10th - June 6th, 2016.
www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04…
Point I thought interesting is more conservative republics (16%) believe that human activity influences climate change, compared to moderates at 13%.
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FINALLY you present some small shred of evidence for your accusations, was it really that hard? Did it really take you that long to type your opinion into google and paste the first link that stroked your obvious confirmation bias? lol
I'll repeat myself, sense your dense ass can't comprehend English:
Everybody agrees that climate changes and that mankind has some effect.
Nobody agrees on what percentage mankind effects global temperature vs that of natural change that happens whether or not humans are even on the planet Earth
Nobody agrees on what the "correct climate" is, or if the current climate is the "correct" one that must be preserved.
Nobody agrees if the solutions presented in treaties like the Paris accord will be worth the cost in manufacturing, jobs, and money, because, I'm reminding you of this, YOU ADMITTED YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT HOW MUCH EXACTLY MANKIND EFFECTS THE GLOBAL CLIMATE.
You haven't refuted any of that, because you know it's true, you're just too embarrassed with yourself to admit it. That's fine, be dense, everyone observing this conversation sees you're pathetic.
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VentAnger, once again you stun us with your brilliant examples of what kind of person not to be.
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B'awww poor lil baby. Let us know when you manage to get control of your emotions long enough to formulate a coherent point
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My point is this: your actions and behaviors are what one can judge you to be. In this case, it is an extremist that your actions and words online have lead me to label you as. You excel in one thing, though: the art of provocation. You aim low, going for one's foundations. Your argument style is that of a schoolyard bully. I should know since I dealt with more than my fair share of them while growing up. Having been in classrooms with nauseating extremists my whole life, your rhetoric fits the mold. Your condescension is enchantingly inflammatory. It's like watching a person try to put out a charcoal fire with gasoline. I think you'd get along great with Ann Coulter based on your degrading tones. Again, though I am not strictly a behaviorist, your conduct online would be enough that most self-respecting sociologists and psychologists would be shaking their heads at you right now. Would you mind letting me use your rhetoric for a research paper for my class on internet cultures? My topic is cyber-bulling and trolling.
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I'm actually not an "extremist", but thanks for the comparison to Ann Coulter, it's flattering to be compared to a brilliant genius and multi-best selling author, you should read some of them, they're very educational.
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No, I change my mind based on evidence. You live in an echo chamber. Ann Coulter is not a genius. She's a raving lunatic. To say that you admire her when she admits to being an extremist indicates by that logic that you are in fact an extremist by taking the right-wing ideology as far as you do. That is the very definition of extremism. If you consider yourself to be a moderate, then the inside of your head must be a very twisted place indeed. I came to conclusions based on my own observations. I wasn't raised to understand signals. Hell, being autistic, I don't get most social signals to begin with. I communicate through explicit dialogue for about 90% of the time.
Again, you're adding plenty of material to my research paper on Internet bullying. So, like it or not, you're actually doing me a favor by continuing to exhibit your appalling behavior. Your contributions to social science and understanding the mind of a borderline-sociopath are well appreciated.
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"If you consider yourself to be a moderate, then the inside of your head must be a very twisted place indeed. "
Look in a mirror, you psychopath.
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A psychopath is characterized by a distinct lack of empathy, disregarding people's emotions, while you seem to delight in angering and upsetting people based on a harsh, self-serving way of life. I sincerely doubt that you would talk so tough in a face-to-face scenario. That difference doesn't really apply to me since my autism prevents me from distinguishing my behaviors on and offline. In other words I speak as candidly on the Internet as I do to people's faces. To call me a psychopath is utterly nonsensical. What irritates me most of all about you is your admiration of bullies, your cruelty, and your utter contempt for people's happiness. Rage is a secondary emotion, and mine is primarily triggered by people's sadism, cruelty, and mistreatment of others. In other words, my rage is evidence of my empathy and compassion for others because of what it is evoked by.
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I already explained why I was mean to you. Stop crying already.
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I'm not crying. I am simply analyzing. Again, a lack of empathy is the most important and distinguishing facet of what constitutes a psychopath. We all have traits that in moderation have no harmful effects on us directly. However, when such traits are presented to a significant enough degree, one can be classified as having a social or mental disorder. I'd say that you hunger for catharsis by venting, but catharsis usually results in the growth of a person following a series of moments of great emotional release. You seem to be utterly subsumed in your anger, unable to make your way out of a sea of fire that you continue to water with gasoline. Believe me, I have much experience with rage addiction. It nearly drove me over the edge. Maybe you should seek mental healthcare. I would recommend Therapeutic Magnetic Stimulation. It's worked wonders for my depression and PTSD. But for it to work you must relax and allow a peaceful mindset to overtake you. Given evidence of your mental state through - well, I can't really call it conversing, given that you seem to only listen enough to find new ways to call me subhuman, then let's call it interacting with you, that TMS therapy would ultimately be fruitless if used on you since you clearly don't seek peace. In fact, I really cannot fathom a true motive for your behavior. It's not really driven by a truly outlined or defined motive except to cause as much misery and suffering as you can, completely convinced that you are doing the right thing.
Oh, that's another sign of psychopath: delusions of grandeur.
Well, have fun.
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You know nothing about me. You think Ann Coulter is a psychopath. Why is that? She's a public figure, her books and writings are extensive and public. You know more about her than you know about me. And you think she's insane. You're not a moderate, kiddo, you're just projecting.
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"Everybody agrees that climate changes and that mankind has some effect."
Prove it.
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Find me one person who thinks the climate is the exactly same as it was millions of years ago. Take your time.
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Well there is that one guy named Donald J Trump. You might have heard of him, he's the President of the United States, and has claimed "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make American manufacturing non-competitive."
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You're conflating two clearly different things that happen to often be referred to by the same name, obviously. Why do you think you're getting away with obvious dishonesty? Are you really this stupid? Stop it, you're convincing literally nobody.
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You asked me to name one person, I named one person.
It's kind of funny that all you'd have to say is "Oh I was wrong, I'll correct myself." And you'd win the debate, because a conservative would have changed his opinion when confronted with new evidence.
But your refusal to do so, and your refusal to provide any numbers or facts to prove you were right at the start, just proves my claim is correct. That conservatives stick their fingers in their and ignore anything that doesn't agree with them.
Maybe next time you'll think your way out of the foxhole. Have a nice day.
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You two are barking things at each other like dogs, and you'll continue barking and biting like an angry little bitch until somebody begs to put the rabid dog down. I am not saying anybody is right, nor anybody is wrong. I am simply saying that none of you are successfully reasoning with another and that you should just give up. It's a lost cause. People pick the "facts" that they want to believe and attach their souls onto them, thus defending them to their death.
I have no hostility towards any of you, I just believe that you all can stop arguing and use your time more wisely to do "that one thing" that you really want/need to do.
Have a lovely day both of you. <3
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I don't see the point of your comment, the thing was long over.
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Go enjoy your life. I'm sorry your life had to be wasted on this garbage.
Nice RWBY profile pic though...That other guy just can't take "no" for an answer
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