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Beathyra In reply to ??? [2017-07-28 18:37:43 +0000 UTC]

Like all snakes are evil and they're never to be trusted, all witches are evil, or even all pagan rituals and traditions are stupid and savage, just like the old times in old history.

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VentAnger In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 18:39:38 +0000 UTC]

huhh?  Poisonous snakes ARE dangerous, witches DON'T exist, and animal sacrifice IS barbaric... those aren't religious dogmas or taboos, they're common sense truths shared by anyone who wants to live in a sane and civilized society.

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Beathyra In reply to VentAnger [2017-07-28 19:14:22 +0000 UTC]

I know but not all snakes are poisonous (including grass snakes), there're still whitches out there (because they're real) and pagan rituals aren't barbaric as you think (just only in Afrika, not other parts on the world). Since I'm a pagan (a neo-pagan) and a witch, like my mom, we pagans prooved (almost) many Christians wrong. You can't deny and ignore that forever.
(You should have read Wikipedia to proove yourself wrong.)

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VentAnger In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 19:16:11 +0000 UTC]

Oh fuck off, witches aren't real.  Get outa here with that insane bullshit.

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Beathyra In reply to VentAnger [2017-07-28 20:28:11 +0000 UTC]

Seriously? Being a pagan hater or not, you can't judge pagans like that.

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VentAnger In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 20:29:13 +0000 UTC]

Witches cast magic, magic is not real, therefore witches are not real.  Checkmate, loonytoon.

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Beathyra In reply to VentAnger [2017-07-28 20:53:14 +0000 UTC]

There are modern witches out there and they're part of the neo-pagans. I'm am a witch, like my mom. You're not tricking me this time.
They don't have to cast magic and they don't, but they can use herbs to heal people. Herbs are like real medicine, just more natural than regular medicine.
Still don't believe me?: www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle…

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VentAnger In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 20:55:31 +0000 UTC]

That's not "witchcraft", that's just holistic medicine. 

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Beathyra In reply to VentAnger [2017-07-28 21:16:24 +0000 UTC]

But they're helpful to everyone.

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VentAnger In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 21:20:43 +0000 UTC]

Can somebody peddle holistic medicine and not be a witch?  What's the difference?  What makes one a witch?  Self identification?  Because that's just shallow.

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Beathyra In reply to VentAnger [2017-07-28 21:29:19 +0000 UTC]

No one peddle these helpful herbs. Some women and girls are modern witches and more will become one of them. Witches aren't what you and most people thought of. Real witches are actually good. Not a shallow.
Now, will you beliave me or not. I've told you everything about real modern witches and they're among us right now.

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VentAnger In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 21:30:53 +0000 UTC]

Okay loonytoon, time to cast a silence spell on you

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Beathyra In reply to VentAnger [2017-07-28 21:48:14 +0000 UTC]

Oh really? That silence spell won't work on me. Like I said, witches don't cast magic and spells at all. They use herbs for healing people. And you call me "little witch" instead of a "loonytoon".
If you get sick by a cold, use ginger and chamomile to brew a tea to cure your sickness.

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RustedDrAugon319 In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-28 22:42:55 +0000 UTC]

Just ignore him. VentAnger is the kind of guy who revels in provoking people into arguments. Trust me, he's gotten under my skin enough times this week already. He'd as soon listen to someone else as a brick wall would be to punch itself in the face while reading a novel by Emily Dickinson while sipping Long Island iced tea. 

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Beathyra In reply to RustedDrAugon319 [2017-07-28 23:16:21 +0000 UTC]

Alright, I'll ignore him. But maybe you should tell him to stop judge me like that.

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RustedDrAugon319 In reply to Beathyra [2017-07-29 03:05:25 +0000 UTC]

He won't. He respects me even less than he does you. 

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Beathyra In reply to RustedDrAugon319 [2017-07-29 10:57:21 +0000 UTC]

Oh, well. OK.

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Centurion030 In reply to ??? [2017-07-28 04:40:24 +0000 UTC]

Which is why as Christians we are to give a reason for our hope in season and out.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-28 19:41:40 +0000 UTC]

In my experiences, Christians enjoy fighting with each other and others, every bit as any other group or ideology does. There is division within each group and ideology, and each sub-group attacks all of the other sub-groups, as well as attacking non-Christians. Very few Christians have acted Christian-like towards me. I am a Christian. I was raised in Christian schools. I've hated and been hated by, mostly Christians. That has been my experience. So it is very important to me to be the person I choose to be and want to be, instead of becoming the thing that I hate. I don't want to be a modern day Pharisee, nor do I want to do the anti-christian dick-wag either. It is all the same mentality. 

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Centurion030 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-28 21:18:16 +0000 UTC]

I totally understand what you are coming from. I have often stated that if you wish to start a Christian Civil War, mention two things:
NIV versus KJV
wine versus grape juice

We know from Paul's own experiences that he said everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial. 

I even written a song about how differences can divide us.

Every Son-Day”

(c) 2014 J.W.Krych


We see each other through sin-filled eyes,

Eyes inward

And not to the sky

Differences abound

Styles and sounds

Races, cultures and backgrounds

But differences aside,

It's Him we glorify

So ev'ry Son-Day let's worship the Lord!

Ev'ry Son-Day let's worship the Lord!


Chorus

One body (one body), one Spirit (one Spirit)

One Hope and one Lord (One LORD!)

One Faith and one baptism (one baptism for forgiveness of sins)

One God and Father of all over all

And through all in all in all.


Though the centuries have come and passed

Through Faith, we must stand fast

Our Lord has said

Do business till I come”

We tell of His Good News

To a dead and dying world

So ev'ry Son-Day let's worship the Lord!

Ev'ry Son-Day let's worship the Lord!


Chorus


And His words will never fade!

For there will be that special date

That the dead in Christ

Shall rise with the trumpet call!

And we who are still alive,

We'll meet them in the sky!

And forever we'll be with the Lord!

So ev'ry Son-Day let's worship the Lord!


Chorus x2

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-28 22:20:23 +0000 UTC]

I've noticed that if you want to get Christians running like hell away from you and maybe even blocking you -- mention any of the positive and uplifting empowering things that Jesus said. Most Christians are so rooted in fire and fear and hell and death -- that the uplifting words of Christ literally send them running away.

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Centurion030 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-28 22:31:41 +0000 UTC]

True.

There a fine balance.

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paradigm-shifting In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-28 23:10:51 +0000 UTC]

It is ironic that there is a common belief of most Christians is that "evil spirits" and "people being controlled by them" will "flee" when the name of Jesus Christ is invoked in a positive way. This very thing, is what makes those Christians "flee". So I think the Bible was correct on that, at least in the sense that if you wanna see who is being a fake -- just test their faith and their true nature will be quickly revealed. 

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Centurion030 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-28 23:27:38 +0000 UTC]

Which is why:

Test every spirit.

The fruits of the Spirit. "22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 "

Galatians 5
New International Version (NIV)
Freedom in Christ

5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope.6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.”10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Life by the Spirit

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a ]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b ] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c ] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited,provoking and envying each other.

Footnotes:

  • Galatians 5:13  In contexts like this, the Greek word for flesh (sarx) refers to the sinful state of human beings, often presented as a power in opposition to the Spirit; also in verses 16, 17, 19 and 24; and in 6:8.
  • Galatians 5:14  Lev. 19:18
  • Galatians 5:17  Or you do not do what
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    paradigm-shifting In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-30 17:45:05 +0000 UTC]

    Well, thanks for that!

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    Centurion030 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-31 03:12:52 +0000 UTC]

    Very welcome!

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    RustedDrAugon319 In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-28 22:40:07 +0000 UTC]

    No kidding. I left the church because I couldn't take the fire and brimstone nonsense much longer. I do not believe in heaven or hell, as I am not of the belief in holding grudges, and also because I find the idea of an afterlife to cheapen the experience of my own life. I do not fear death, but I do value my own life. Once, long ago, I would have walked straight into harm's way to save a friend, not out of bravery, but out of a lack of concern for my own safety due to years of abusive mental conditioning. I will not contest religion, mostly because I realized how pointless it was when I was growing up around very devout Mormons who believed in an absolute heaven and with little exception treated me as a leper for not converting. 

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    paradigm-shifting In reply to RustedDrAugon319 [2017-07-28 23:13:24 +0000 UTC]

    When I was in 5th Grade, my teacher explained to me that "when we die, we are dead and we sleep until judgment day" to which I responded "I was always taught that we go straight to heaven when we died" to which she replied "well if you believe that, you're definitely going to hell!".

    Such a sweet thing to say to a 10 year old, isn't it? 

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    RustedDrAugon319 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-29 15:05:31 +0000 UTC]

    It's horrible. I was once handed a paper in fourth grade that asked the special needs students to list 10 things we disliked about ourselves. I refused to answer it, citing that any teenager could fill up five dozen of these. I was forced into a cage that 3.5X3.5 feet and handcuffed for the next hour for protesting a class activity designed to denigrate us. Positive psychology is a rather fascinating and beneficial class that I think you'd find very intriguing. 

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    paradigm-shifting In reply to RustedDrAugon319 [2017-07-29 20:21:22 +0000 UTC]

    If they literally did that to you, I'd imagine there might be some laws against that.

    As for whether or not there is an after life -- I believe in consciousness and quantum physics and I do not believe these sciences contradict Jesus nor do I believe they contradict logic and reason. Looking at it from a science mind -- even the idea of an "after" or "next" or "previous" life is kind of like asking the marital status of the number 5. The body is a highly sophisticated biological computer through which our infinite consciousness streams through, similar to a remote controlled drone. That how much data we can access about our true nature, is determined by the software programming we are running. With desktop computers, this software is operating systems and applications that humans create and install. So true is this also with the human biological computer. Our belief systems and emotional states directly determine how well our bodies run, from the cellular level to the immune system to everything else. If we have shit software, shit paradigms, destructive mental illness viruses -- then our minds, bodies and the entire planet will have limited, sluggish access to the Internet of the consciousness of the multiverse. We then confuse these tools we use for who we are. We identify with our tools screaming "I identify as!" just as insanely as any Social Justice Warrior.

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    Centurion030 In reply to RustedDrAugon319 [2017-07-28 22:49:56 +0000 UTC]

    I applaud you for leaving the cult.

    I will however ask you to examine the life of Jesus as written down in the Four Gospels.

    "I do not believe in heaven or hell, ..."

    Sadly, there is only two choices.

     "The Lord does not delay [as though He were unable to act] and is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is [extraordinarily] patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.:"

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    RustedDrAugon319 In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-29 15:08:19 +0000 UTC]

    I couldn't stand the constant mistreatment when I hinted at my atheism when I was a kid. I had to wait until I was eighteen before I came out to my peers about it, and even then I received threats about it on a daily basis. Most were empty, and given that I was the physically most powerful student in the school, the few who went through on their threats were not very successful. I found it to be more of an annoyance than a true danger at that point, though. 

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    Centurion030 In reply to RustedDrAugon319 [2017-07-29 16:28:18 +0000 UTC]

    Peers can be such a pain...

    Have you heard of Lee Strobel or Josh McDowall?

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    paradigm-shifting In reply to Centurion030 [2017-07-28 23:17:06 +0000 UTC]

    What most Christian's do not realize, is that the word "repent" does not mean "to confess" but rather, it is a point of decision. A point in which one becomes so fed up with how they have been, that they decide to change. And it is this genuine change, not words of confession -- that the Bible speaks of here. This misunderstanding is what makes many Christians think they have a "get out of hell free card" that allows them to "sin with impunity, consequence free!". It is not about heaven or hell, but simply that stupid is as stupid does -- and only when someone truly decides they wish to make a genuine change, do they begin to stop suffering the consequences of their stupidity. 

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    Centurion030 In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-28 23:28:06 +0000 UTC]

    Very true.

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    paradigm-shifting In reply to ??? [2017-07-28 04:18:03 +0000 UTC]

    Username-91 this is the answer to 

    And if you had comments enabled, it wouldn't require this to answer your questions

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    achthenuts In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-28 14:20:23 +0000 UTC]

    The ironic.   

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    paradigm-shifting In reply to achthenuts [2017-07-28 15:58:58 +0000 UTC]

    Indeed.

    I have nothing against that person at all, but I do find it just slightly hypocritical to upload a deviation like that one, only to disable the comments. Makes it seem like they are avoiding other peoples opinions in order to not become offended themselves. So if they are doing so, then asking themselves why they would become so offended by feedback from others that they disable the comments, would automatically provide this person with the answer they seek in their line of questioning. Both expressions come from the same root paradigm. 

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    achthenuts In reply to paradigm-shifting [2017-07-28 16:07:52 +0000 UTC]

    Because he believes his ideal can change the world, but only the fools would believe him until they're feel betray.

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