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Please disseminate widely, thank you!Sgt. Sheena Adams, 25, Lance Corporal Kristi Baker, 21, and Hospital Corpsman Shannon Crowley, 22, US Marines with the FET 1st Battalion 8th Marines, Regimental Combat Team II pose at their forward operating base on November 17, 2010 in Musa Qala, Afghanistan. Photograph by Paula Bronstein.
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emperorkirkwall [2012-05-25 10:09:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah women are just as equal as men, my cousin a US Marine in Force Recon owe's his life to a female Cobra pilot whom helped his team get out of a heavy fight in Iraq. I think it's stupid that people say women are not soldiers....every one is a soldier not just men. Look at history Joan of Arch for example GREAT LEADER AND SOLDIER...
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Rickyroy87 In reply to ??? [2012-05-25 09:56:22 +0000 UTC]
I agree with the idea that a woman should be the maker of her own fate etc.
I don't really think this gets that message across properly though as there seems to be a number of people who are misunderstanding the message all together. Further to that surely these marines are in full control of their own mind and body and as such the 'see what happens next' is rendered mute as nothing would happen in the sense of which the message implies.
Instead they would have the rationale reasoning to take it with a pinch of salt and know that misled view do not have an impact on them and their life?
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BlueWolf007 In reply to ??? [2012-05-25 09:13:22 +0000 UTC]
What do you mean by, "...not human enough to control their own bodies." ?
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heathenhedonist In reply to BlueWolf007 [2012-05-25 10:27:46 +0000 UTC]
Some American politicians have suggested that women are like cows when it comes to managing their reproduction.
American politicians frighten me.
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BlueWolf007 In reply to heathenhedonist [2012-05-25 10:37:17 +0000 UTC]
So, what is it that cows do about their reproduction that politicians find similar in women?
(Mindless breeding?)
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BlueWolf007 In reply to heathenhedonist [2012-05-26 05:39:53 +0000 UTC]
Ugh... right!
Because testosterone driven beings are soooooo much more capable of making discriminate choices and managing a peaceful balance between a choice of either a relationship or straight-up sex.
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Jqel In reply to heathenhedonist [2012-05-25 18:06:40 +0000 UTC]
There was also the infamous speech about how cattle and horses gave birth to defected/dead foetuses (foetii?) all the time, without any harm to the animal, so women should be forced to continue to birth already miscarried foetuses at the end of their regular birth term (10mos. actually-9mos. is an approximation from the date of "notice"), rather than aborting them.
in short: congratulations, not only is your unborn child dead, but now you have to carry it around for x mos. until you deliver it.
Again: Glad I live in Canada, and yes, I have couch space.
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MiraKHall In reply to Jqel [2012-05-25 21:20:25 +0000 UTC]
Err, what do you mean by couch space? You offering hiding spots for us refugees of women's suffrage?
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MiraKHall In reply to Jqel [2012-05-25 21:19:35 +0000 UTC]
For real? That can actually happen? I thought they usually die UPON birth if they're unable to come to life safely; I mean, human birth is not an easy thing to do AT ALL -- we're too domesticated.
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Jqel In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-25 21:57:19 +0000 UTC]
Yes, the child can die and not be aborted spontaneously. A number of awful things can happen pre birth, especially in the first trimester to cause the foetus to become not only non viable, but (for lack of a better term) dead. Yes, a woman can end up carrying it still, and it can cause numerous problems.
As for couch space, it was meant primarily as a joke, with implications of understanding if women should want to flee.
I can, in all seriousness understand that things have gotten pretty bad-maybe bad enough to border hop and leave everything behind, but DA is not exactly a place I'd post my willingness to violate immigration law. In fact, I generally stay away from actual statements of intent regarding illegal activities in any public forum Y'know..just as a matter of prudence.
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MiraKHall In reply to Jqel [2012-05-26 08:33:20 +0000 UTC]
Utter nonsense. Why keep a dead thing when it will be more heartbreaking for the woman
Or at least seek out needed medical attention that the American doctors won't provide because of these politicians' 'laws'.
Of course; it's the thought that counts, even though ANY boarder-hopping should be frowned upon. I don't even want to illegally immigrate to Mexico, since I live in San Diego, and I already know a couple of homeless people, white males in their 60's FYI, who want to move there so they can no longer be harassed by the police on a daily basis. So yeah, even our senior citizens are treated as badly as women who need access to hormone pills to control these abominable polycysts
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Jqel In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-26 17:37:05 +0000 UTC]
That's generally the opinion ("utter nonsense") ("monstrous", "abominable" and "sadistically cruel" also come to mind, not to mention the standard "horrifying/horrific", "terrifying" and "bloody damned awful").
And yes, border hopping, while humourously referring to it as a means to escape such persecution, isn't something someone should pursue when other options are available, however, with everything happening right now, I certainly wouldn't blame those who sought a more tolerant state to relocate to, or family elsewhere to stay with, until people come to their senses.
I am aware of the state of seniors, my mother is/was in geriatrics(she's keeping a hand in a few hours a week), and I used to spend a great deal of time among the elderly as a result. The levels of elder abuse and abandonment are terrible, that however, I expect will only get worse, as the population ages and the unemployed youth can't afford to care for them (not to mention the resentment between boomers and non boomers). The Age Conflict is not something I am looking forward to, but too complex to truly discuss here.
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MiraKHall In reply to Jqel [2012-05-26 18:00:41 +0000 UTC]
I was having a hard time looking for the rights words at the time
I would like to know what those options are, because the Occupy Movement more or less fizzled out over here. We're severely disorganized, but so were the Civil Rights Movement, and they eventually made progress.
Yeah, I read an article on how the generation gap is making things complicated, especially in certain political issues.
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Jqel In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-26 18:22:37 +0000 UTC]
Other options involve talking to your representatives, talking to your peers and organizing groups to provide aid (it's not just for natural disasters), networking via social media, speaking to those who might be able to provide resources or sponsor you (you'd be surprised how many folks will help out if approached correctly), publishing articles, writing to your local newspaper, effectively, mobilizing, just maybe not on such a national level (I am of the opinion that smaller groups are harder to combat, since no politician would be taken seriously for ranting about a disaffected dozen students who practice equal rights and compassion).
Personally, I was a member of a small informal group (no name, all unwritten rules, all friends) that helped each other out during rough times. We ended up all doing better by banding together for mutual assistance than each alone. We made our own safety net. Maybe it's easier here, I don't know, but I don't see why a group of like minded individuals couldn't just cooperate to assist each other in times of need, and it'd be up to you to decide what "need" is.
But, my situation was singular ( or so I've been told), so I don't know how well it can be repeated.
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MiraKHall In reply to Jqel [2012-05-26 21:13:11 +0000 UTC]
Looks like the 'nuclear family' will be dying out sooner than I thought. I never did like the idea of moving out of my folk's home at age 18. Now it's ten years later, and even though the economy still sucks, I want out!
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Jqel In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-27 02:17:19 +0000 UTC]
I understand entirely.I was able to get out at eighteen, as staying at home wasn't viable (many reasons), mostly due to friends. I wouldn't belabour the death of the nuclear family, however, there are a number of other familial structures that are as much, if not more supportive than one father, one mother, two children plus one house. Think of it more as "diversifying" the family unit , there's a lot to be said for sharing living arrangements with friends you can trust-it's just that finding them can be hard. I have never lived alone (being a small female, it's sadly, inadvisable, in *any* part of town), and I still get a little wierded out when I'm the only one at home.
Besides, the housing market isn't going to be doing so well once the retirees are looking for supervised/assisted living apartments, the cost of houses has to rely on what people can afford to buy. If noone's buying, the price will come down (barring bailouts for real estate companies) (and yes, this will have further economic repercussions-demographics has been warning us for decades-the baby boomer crash is not a new idea).
Also-check your local government, a lot of them have programs to help those looking to move. The US government may be having a few issues right now, but all the bad doesn't cancel out the good.
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MiraKHall In reply to Jqel [2012-05-27 06:32:40 +0000 UTC]
You kidding? I'm bettin' that the nuclear family tradition goes by the way of the dinosaurs! It sucks being a group of people with one father, one mother and two kids, especially since, because the rest of the relatives are either far away or disowned us for being a bunch of heretics, I've never HAD an extended family, and am way too dependent on my immediate family members. Even though my new 'brother' Mom adopted can be annoying at times, he's the next best thing to a friend in the family. If only the house were big enough to house five people along with five cats
Wouldn't the price comin' down be a good thing for those who WANT to buy a house without selling their first born's education out the window?
I rather look to the furry communities; the last thing I need is to be paired up with a psychopath on gov-ran random choice. I'm kind of paranoid like that
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Stuart-Dillon [2012-05-25 09:04:23 +0000 UTC]
i dont get it ? is this linked to a period or emotions i dont get it im sure if its explained ill completely get it its a great pic though girls dont get alot of appreciation for their efforts on the front line i think unless one of them looses a life or a limb doing their job which is sad really ..... great pic but the message is unclear for me
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Chargrin In reply to Stuart-Dillon [2012-05-25 15:37:59 +0000 UTC]
Basically he's talking about the political debates going on right now in the U.S. A lot ( and I do mean a frightening amount) of politicians have been voting for anti-women legislation. They have been saying that women do not have the capacity to make their own life choices so the government should do it for them. Its extremely disturbing. In my own state, Texas, they passed the forced ultra-sound law which 1) is a painful humiliating procedure since it's trans-vaginal and 2) effects every woman that needs an " abortion" no matter the reason. Anything from a miscarriage, life-or death choice between mother and child, termination choice b/c the fetus was terminally ill, or rape caused pregnancy were covered. So all these women who have these horrible circumstances were force to have a rod not so gently inserted and prodded around inside them while a doctor described the fetus and they were forced to look at the screen. So they punish any woman who needs an abortion by assaulting, humiliating, and outright traumatizing them for having the procedure done.
Add to it that politicians are trying to make it next to impossible to for women to get birth-control. Birth control is the only medication I know of that 90% of the time cannot be prescribed for its intended use. Most doctors have to cite several other health related issues the medication is to treat before being able to prescribe birth control. Most insurance companies will not cover birth control but they will cover Viagra. So a medication intended strict for sex is allowed but a medication that treats many illnesses including the prevention of cancer as well as helping women to be responsible with their lives is put on the black list.
There are many other issues the politicians are using against women as well. It's like we're going backwards in time and as a woman it scares the hell out of me. Its even more disturbing to see other women (even female politicians) agreeing with these measures. They are trying to undo all the equal right progress that has been made and which allowed them the opportunities for such high ranking positions in the first place. I keep telling myself they can't really agree but are just following their political party's views to gain favor. I have to believe that such successful women could possibly be so stupid and short sighted as to not be able to see what their action will cause to future generations of women.
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rubynymphe In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-25 21:27:19 +0000 UTC]
My god am I happy I live in Canada.
'Land of the free'... The US doesn't seem so quite so free anymore. (not saying that all Americans believe in this, but the fact that there are actual laws...)
I didn't know they actually passed that law...
Damn.
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Chargrin In reply to rubynymphe [2012-05-25 21:53:04 +0000 UTC]
yeah it hasn't been passed on the federal level yet but many states have already started implementing their own versions of the law.
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Stuart-Dillon In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-25 19:36:14 +0000 UTC]
wow thats fucked up fair play no offense but the american way of thinking sometimes really cheeses me off. you shouldnt have to pay for something like birth control. and then be made to pay for your actions aswell. the shit these poor women go through is wrong it doesnt happen in britain (well to my knowledge it doesnt) my heart goes uout to the women of america that have been effected by these issues.
it aint right what a woman goes through. now i understand the picture thanks for letting me know
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Chargrin In reply to Stuart-Dillon [2012-05-25 21:54:46 +0000 UTC]
No problem. I'm just trying to help people to understand exactly what people say the "War on Women". Its literally come down to the politicians attacking our rights and even our ability to decide what happens to our own bodies.
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Stuart-Dillon In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-25 22:20:18 +0000 UTC]
well i hope your raise awareness let me kow if there is anything i can do to help
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Chargrin In reply to Stuart-Dillon [2012-05-25 23:36:43 +0000 UTC]
Just support the women in your life and help inform other of the actions being taken against women. The more people are visibly outraged and repulsed by this then they are less likely to continue along this horrendous path.
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MiraKHall In reply to Stuart-Dillon [2012-05-25 21:17:24 +0000 UTC]
"my heart goes uout to the women of america that have been effected by these issues"
You, dear sir, are needed in dire times like these
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Stuart-Dillon In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-25 21:38:45 +0000 UTC]
thanks been thinking about this issue alot since reading the reply i had explaining whats going on its sick and shocking
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MiraKHall In reply to Stuart-Dillon [2012-05-26 08:20:58 +0000 UTC]
This entire anti-feminist backlash has been going on since the late 70s, early 80s, and the level of its idiocy and 'importance' ebb and flow every decade or so. They just don't like the idea -- or the fact -- that women can handle things on their own just as well as some men do, and I do mean SOME men, if you count my schizoid-proned father
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Chargrin In reply to poasterchild [2012-05-25 16:18:35 +0000 UTC]
No problem. I've been following your work for awhile I really like what you do. I trying to show your page to my friends as often as I can and to discuss what's going on. So many people today simply don't care enough to get up and vote or even bother talking about it. Young people in general seem to think that the things going on in washington won't effect them or they don't even know its happened till the run afoul of the new laws.
Do you mind if I download a few of your posters to email around?
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Debra-Marie In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-25 17:53:39 +0000 UTC]
I dont think every woman is forced to have an ultra sound that way, because when my doctor did it that way and it was too painful, he did it... the other way Uncomfortable, but not painful.
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Chargrin In reply to Debra-Marie [2012-05-25 18:31:01 +0000 UTC]
was it for this recent law?
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Debra-Marie In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-25 19:22:29 +0000 UTC]
no I wasn't pregnant or anything. But not all ultra sounds are done the same way. SO there is a law that forces a specific way to do ultra sounds? That doesn't seem real to me.
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Chargrin In reply to Debra-Marie [2012-05-25 21:52:20 +0000 UTC]
Yeah you can look its up. I've had a normal abdominal ultrasound which is usually just uncomfortable, especially when your pregnant, but the law specifies a trans-vaginal ultrasound is needed b/c an abdominal one may not be able to be accurate enough for 1st trimester abortions. Remember the laws forces doctors to turn the screen at the patient's face while they describe every little feature of the fetus. Its supposed to " inform her of what she is doing and help the woman to decide what is right" The law literally states that a woman may not turn away from the screen she may only avert her eyes. It also states that no abortion may be done without this procedure and a 24hr wait period "to allow time for the information to sink in". So unless its a life or death matter then even a procedure for removing a miscarriage would have to go through these steps.
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Jamessaddaa In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-27 10:24:56 +0000 UTC]
In my opinion you SHOULD be forced to see what you are killing, there are a lot of ways to avoid getting pregnant, raped or not, morning after pill comes to mind, if a fetus has formed you are murdering an innocent life and should be subject to the same treatment (yeah, that is a bit extreme, but I don't like people who murder babies). I agree the LAW shouldn't have a say in it, mostly because I would think it would be common sense not to get an abortion unless it was a life or death situation (there is adoption if you were raped/just can't care for the baby). About birth control medication: it isn't healthy, it isn't natural; you shouldn't take it unless you want to fuck up your hormones, and in turn, your body (I have no scientific proof of that other than seeing how it has affected some people myself, it is just nasty stuff though, honestly).
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poasterchild In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-26 01:15:15 +0000 UTC]
I live in Virginia where the reactionaries are in control, and believe me, this is the law.
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Chargrin In reply to poasterchild [2012-05-26 03:56:59 +0000 UTC]
Wasn't Virginia the first state to implement that law?
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poasterchild In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-26 09:24:10 +0000 UTC]
I think that's correct. The way things are going here, the Virginia GOP will soon introduce legislation to require the Commonwealth's women to wear burquas. My vet is now spreading the malicious lie that a recent law signed by the President forming a group of Public Health Service doctors and nurses to respond to national health emergencies is really a plot to give the President personal control of a "Praetorian Guard" composed of 6,000 "shock troops" under his personal command to arrest and detain people who are opposed to "Obamacare." There is no truth to this. The Public Health Service wears a uniform that looks military. They always have. And they refer to themselves (the PHS) as "the Commissioned Corps" because, indeed, when you join the PHS you do receive a commission and you work under the direction of the Surgeon General. I've told my vet that he's an idiot and that I'm going to take my animals elsewhere if he doesn't knock it off, but there are a lot of gullible people out there, and although they won't admit it, of course, because they know they'll get smacked down if they do, this sort of crap plays well because a lot of people here hate Obama because he is only 50% white. I'm pissed at Obama because of his terrible record on civil liberties, but these kind of attacks make the Republicans look foolish to anyone who drinks out of anything other than a sippy cup. Stay tuned. This bullshit is only going to get thicker as the November election draws nearer. Ah,the spectacle of democracy in action!
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Chargrin In reply to poasterchild [2012-05-26 14:51:36 +0000 UTC]
Oh my that is just idiotic of your vet. I can only imagine how many other people he's spewed such nonsense at. I wish we could could just make everyone colorblind and get rid of political parties so people would actually focus on the person's actions for once.
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poasterchild In reply to Chargrin [2012-05-25 16:49:14 +0000 UTC]
Thanks so much! That's what they are there for. I urge everyone to download them and pass them on for no cost or charge.
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Chargrin In reply to poasterchild [2012-05-25 18:31:25 +0000 UTC]
Great thank you very much!
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KungFuHouseplant [2012-05-25 07:54:49 +0000 UTC]
In agreeance here. Is it really so hard to just let people do what they want?
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MiraKHall In reply to KungFuHouseplant [2012-05-25 21:13:12 +0000 UTC]
Even though 'agreeance' is not technically a word, it should be added to Weber's dictionary if they allow words like 'guesstimate' and 'ginormous' in there because the feeling is mutual.
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poasterchild In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-26 01:12:43 +0000 UTC]
Uh, it's Webster's, as in Noah, not Weber's, as in Max.
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MiraKHall In reply to poasterchild [2012-05-26 08:10:25 +0000 UTC]
You know what I mean goes to show how fallible the English language can be at times (it also doesn't help that my language difficulties hinders me from time to time).
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KungFuHouseplant In reply to MiraKHall [2012-05-25 21:37:26 +0000 UTC]
Language ain't no simple thang, that's for sure
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Thunderfog [2012-05-25 07:46:16 +0000 UTC]
I don't get it? What's the problem with them?? I want to know... Have they done something bad? Plz tell
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