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Yes. TGGWS is that video (the great global warming swindle). Look it up on wikipedia.
Jones wasn't fired, he temporarily stood down as director for the duration of the voluntary, independent investigation. Seems like a pretty admirable thing to do to me.
"YOu want to convince me that global warming is antropogenic? No, sorry but I don´t buy that."
No, I didn't say that. I was trying to point out that you're basing your views on flawed data. But you seem to be intent on ignoring that. It's fairly obvious that you're not going to be convinced of anything that you don't want to be convinced of.
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The Medieval Warm Period Graphic wasn´t invented by me. I used that graphic to show that during the medieval period there was a time that the weather was much more warm than now, and it was a prosperus period and men wasn´t responsable. Also, the "hockey graphic" data I showed in other poster is from IPCC, I didn´t made that up. And Al Gore with is bibical "documentary" use the same graphic just to point out that "all countries must reduce the reliese of Co2" - including emergent economies. Assuming that the data I used is "flawed", and assumind the hypotesis that the climate is changing and getting warmer I do not believe that the responsable is man - as IPCC and CRU just want desperaly to prove. The Co2 we reliese is to much insignificant comparing the Co2 released by oceans, rivers, or trees, leafs, dead bodies, etc.. What some scientists say, not me because I am no scientist, is that weather stays more cold or warm acording to solar cicles. But I am sure you are aware of all of this.
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*sigh*.
1. Find a reference for that graph.
2. Notice that it's for western europe.
3. Realise that it doesn't mean much on a global scale...
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MWP, Peru: [link]
MWP, Arctic / Greenland: [link]
MWP, Canada: [link]
MWP, China: [link]
200+ more where those peer-reviewed papers came from. Wait... that was just looking for 'MWP.' I found 800 more. Would you like to see them?
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the ICE HOCKEY graphinc was lunched by IPCC and it makes reference in a global scale. Of course I don´t believe in IPCC and in anthropogenic global warming
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YOu comment the image that aludes to the Medieval Warm Period that happens specially in North Europ. In same image the is a graphic where appears the GWP and by the Litle Ice Age. That graphic was made by IPCC in 90´s but sudently they apeear with another graphic - the famous Ice Hockey graphic that was made by computer models in order to serve a specific agenda.
Did I still avoid your point?
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Sorry I'm taking so long, I'm trying to find a copy of the 1990 IPCC assessment report, but it doesn't seem to be available digitally. I'm highly skeptical of the origins and reliability of that graph, because I've seen so many variations of it: no temp values ~2 degrees variation , and yours, which shows about 4 degrees of variation.
Anyway, if you're convinced that the IPCC was set up with a specific agenda, I doubt I'm going to be able to convince you of much...
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Those are the same graphics pointed in the image.
I do have many reasons to belive IPCC is a scam that serves determined purposes. They want us to believe global warming is antropogenic, well many climatologists, scientists who also belonged to IPCC, says that is not true - and they point their reasons. I do have my sources, one of them is this one: [link]
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The graphics aren't the same. Look at the scales on the y-axis.
Dude, come on, TGGWS has so many flaws. Manipulation of data, misrepresentation of interviewed scientists' views... errors which Durkin refused to acknowledge.
On the other hand, after 3 years, thousands of climate skeptics pouring over the IPCC's latest report find one or two minor errors, to which the the IPCC quickly and openly admits.
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YOu want to convince me that global warming is antropogenic? No, sorry but I don´t buy that. Phil Jones that used to work for Climat Research Unit was fired from East Anglia University because he and other "scientist" where cauth changing e-mails were they were deliberly "arranging" data to make a evidence that water level is commig up because of "global warming". I do have this document with me. I can send it if you want.
Well, the agenda is starting to get very clear: look the money that Al Gore is making because tributing carbone, many business people are fallowing is example. I could give you more examples.. Did you see the video? It gives interesting statements by other climatologists that used to belong to IPCC.
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