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Published: 2015-12-07 04:27:44 +0000 UTC; Views: 3323; Favourites: 31; Downloads: 0
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Wanted to say "What Boom refuses to do" but I wanted to leave the slogan intact. Despite also being made for kids, modern TMNT is nowhere near as bad as Boom, and in fact, the 3 episodes I watched were actually decent, 1 even taking it's premise seriously. I've also heard lately that the earth was blown up and the turtles are on another planet. Gonna try watching more of this one day, but I've only been keeping up with Disney's Guardians of the Galaxy. To add insult to injury, even the modern TMNT game was better then Boom's WiiU title.To put it simply, TMNT simply does in CGI what they mostly did in animation back in the 80's. Boom on the other hand, didn't even have the decency to be like AOSTH, but another carbon copy of modern CN BS.
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I dunno if you've watched more episodes since you posted this, but modern TMNT is TOTALLY FREAKIN EPIC! One of the best TMNT Continuities yet! And yes, THIS is what Sonic should be like NOT BOOM!
Let me tell you some of the awesome stuff that is also now in Modern TMNT.
-Many of the characters have gotten a total rework that really improves. Like for one, Master Splinter in this one is not a Mutated Rat, but rather a Karate Master who got transformed into a Human/Rat Hybrid by the Mutagen, and has to cope with his past life he had to leave behind and him slowly losing his humanity in him at times. And April is actually part Kraang and helps because this gives her more connection to them and makes her immune to the Mutagen.
-The villains have also gotten a rework as well, and are epic! Shredder here is absolutely badass now, and so are the Kraang! Also, Rat King now looks like something out of a Horror Movie and is so freaky in how he antagonizes the Turtles and Splinter like a stalker. And Mutagen Man appears in it too, except he's more body horror like, and more of a tragic foe in that he exposed himself to the Mutagen because he wanted to be like the Turtles, but didn't know how unpredictable it is and instead became a horrific slime creature with exposed organs!
-Characters actually suffer serious injuries and it also actually has characters dying horribly! One such example is this scene where Shredder stabs Master Splinter to death and then throws him off the side of a building! You don't get that kind of stuff in Sonic Boom, do ya? --> www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh3yED…
-Better backstories and character development. Plus they have more explanations to the Mutagen and what it is, and better continuity between episodes.
And that's just some of the stuff. I'd say it's about on par with the 2003 TMNT, in terms of awesomeness and badassery and better story and characters. This is what Sonic Boom SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE.
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It's more like "Genesis does and what Ninten-DOESN'T!"
But I watch the 2012 version of TMNT on Nick... It was good!
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I hope you're not implying I don't the correct phrase I based the title on......
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The Sega Genesis commercial, "GENESIS DOES, WHAT NINTENDON'T?'
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Again, are you implying I didn't know the phrase I based the title on?
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Agree, TMNT 2012 is referenced to Teen Titans 2003, SRMTHFG, Voltron and Power Rangers.
But Sonic Boom is crap, it's looks like TTG.
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Would I offend anyone when I say that I like Sonic Boom and TMNT 2012 equally? If so, then I'm sorry.
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Well to be fair, most shows do what Sonic Boom doesn't which isn't hard to do... because Sonic Boom has almost nothing of value .
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Yeah, but TMNT also got the kiddy treatment that Sonic did, except they still have action, story telling, and decent characterization.
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I realize that, I'm just saying that it isn't hard for a show to beat Sonic Boom
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I'll admit, Nick's TMNT is better then Boom, but no as good as 2003 TMNT.
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I love both TMNT series. Heck, I even like the corny as hell 87 series. And next mutation to a degree.
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Funny thing, I made a meme about the same theme not so long ago. xD
So yeah, totally agreed! TMNT 2012 is awesome, it's the perfect balance between the silly 1989 show and the serious 2003 show, has tons of old characters WHILE keeping them fresh and fitting and the new characters aren't boring pieces of shit with no real personality whatsoever. Sonic Boom on the other hand...
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sonic boom is a poor mans one foot in the grave. i LOVE one foot in the grave, but it shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with sonic. sonic is basically victor meldrew. no, wait, victor meldrew is more lively. amy rose is like margaret meldrew in that she tries to get sonic to be more tolirent of youthful rapscallions. but either way, one foot in the grave was smart, clever, and even edgy at times, sonic boom is just boring.
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So, we're comparing a Show that was meant from the start to be a very continuity driven action series to a show that was meant from the start to be a slice of life comedy with action scenes that's light on continuity? I usually agree with your stuff but this one is reaching so hard for something that's not there.
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There's a clear reason that Boom appeals to an audience that TMNT can confirm is their target while acknowledging older fans (I'm a viewer of the show). Boom, just like the entire idea of its game as well, is a pander-ery piece of entertainment that had NO vision of the target audience it clambered for so it fills itself with juvenile humor and content that I can't imagine being acceptable for anyone able to think for themselves. TMNT has a clear goal while not being prissy and arrogant about it because again it knows it isn't for the people who grew up with 80s TMNT but at least knows they will watch it. It eventually became geared towards that audience later down the road and I commend that. Here Boom gets more seasons and they're doing the same shit with little deviation saying "fuck all" to any change.......what's the excuse?
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Alright, so you think that all TV shows should be what you want and if they aren't they're bad?
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No one said that Falcon stop putting words in my mouth. Secondly I don't expect people to bend over backwards for other people but I do expect quality. Seriously........if I'm going to spend my time watching your series then make it worth while. Did you see the image here?......the entire point is to show what Sonic Boom is failing to do and what the TMNT of 2013 picks up. Again I don't remember asking demands for anything (some of my favorite shows aren't even for an older audience like well......the 2013 TMNT when it first started out) but I ask the question "What is Sonic Boom's excuse for its direction as a cartoon" because again the 2013 TMNT is doing what it's completely failing at.
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Because it's for Kids? It's main audience is Kids? Kids find the show funny? You're not the main audience? Your applying subjective opinions as fact? Take your pick, I have more.
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Ok I'll pick.......let me see........that's not an excuse should do it. we live in the internet age so why specifically target one audience and again other shows are aimed towards one demographic and still appeal to another audience. It being for kids isn't much of an arguement anymore and in many ways is seen as subjective. Would you say the same for music?.......like rap vs rock being two examples of having two different demographics and they can ONLY appeal to those demographics. I'm black for example and I like rock more than rap........and I'm SUPPOSE to like rap by default right (because of the roots it carries with African american culture). But should I say someone who is a different ethnicy can't like it? Like I said it being "for kids" isn't an excuse in fact that's the same excuse the writers of Teen Titans Go (another show VASTLY similar to Sonic Boom in quality) use to negate criticism.
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The problem is the "It's For Kids" Portion isn't directed at your assessment of quality, it's directed at your statement that TMNT started to appeal to the older Demographic. TMNT took the cowards route and fell back to its safe place. Boom is trying to pave its way through a new audience with characters they can get to know without 20+ years of backlog. Trying to appeal to multiple demographics is something Boom does as well, I know many adults that enjoy watching it with their kids, and they aren't Sonic fans, it is for Children, and it writes itself like a kids show, but adults CAN enjoy it. The it's for Kids argument is for people claiming that a show appealing to its MAIN DEMOGRAPHIC is wrong because it's not appealing to their demographic. You finding the Humor bad is Subjective, so that cannot be a statement of fact.
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"TMNT took the cowards route and fell back to its safe place."
And this isn't.......yeah ok
the ENTIRE point of Sonic Boom is to appeal to a specific audience you realize that right. Boom as an idea was conceived to appeal to a very young audience. That doesn't excuse the lack of quality in the product (the game for the Wii U and even the 3DS game is proof of riding on a prayer that their target demographic will eat it up).
"graphic. TMNT took the cowards route and fell back to its safe place. Boom is trying to pave its way through a new audience with characters they can get to know without 20+ years of backlog."
So you're defending the notion that this is suppose to be like a reboot of the franchise.....if so then as an idea its fine but in execution it failed to again appeal to an audience it could easily coat tail off of. Also the "its for kids" statement is the exact arguement used for anyone even remotely critical to Sonic Boom. So you're telling me I can't hate Sonic Boom because it isn't for me?......that's making an excuse for the show then right. So I can only enjoy it as a kid and not as an already existing fan of Sonic (which is BY DEFAULT going to be part of the audience but as you state it isn't for the long time fans). The entire arguement of rather it being specifically for a younger audience is a good or bad this should also be subjective because again....they're ignoring a VERY large part of their own fanbase but by your logic Falcon it's "for kids" so I can't watch it or I'm not suppose to.
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Quality of the games and quality of the show are two different things. The show stands on it's own and does a fine job of that. I won't say the games don't have problems but there was a lot going on behind the scenes with them so it's best to leave them out of the discussion.
So what you're saying is that because it's not taking the easy route, it has failed? You must give up very easy if that's your logic. Also did you even read my comment? You ignore what I say in favor of circling backwards to something you've already said. When I say that the "it's for Kids" argument is to shut people up who say that the show isn't being made exclusively for them I mean that it's being made for kids FIRST. Whenever you make something you need to appeal to your target demographic first, then through smart writing and other means you get a following that wasn't your target. That's how Networks do things, that's how they've always done things. Nick wasn't having the numbers they wanted with TMNT so they decided to take the cowards route and appeal to the old fans first. With Sonic Boom the numbers were high for the timeslot it was in, so CN probably won't request any changes to it.
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" I won't say the games don't have problems but there was a lot going on behind the scenes with them so it's best to leave them out of the discussion."
Why?.....because the same arguement can easily applied to video games as cartoons. Any game that appeals to a specific audience has another audience it wasn't even targeting.
What's this "easy route" nonsense you keep saying? You want to appeal to the largest customer base as a business because that's where the most publicity will be. I hope by "old fans" you mean fans of Sonic in general because that's who I am talking about not the classic purist who want every game to be like the first 3 games on the Sega Genesis.
"Nick wasn't having the numbers they wanted with TMNT so they decided to take the cowards route and appeal to the old fans first."
That' the complete antithesis to my arguement all you're really doing is mirroring what I'm saying to you. I assume the "cowards route" is saying fuck all to the people who'd actually benefit the most from the product (the people who are more familiar with it) and clambering for an audience that in all fairness only exist if you make them exist. Sonic Boom is suppose to be something new to people who don't already know what Sonic is which is (and excuse my language) an absolute retarded idea considering that sonic is....I don't know A FREAKING GAMING ICON. There wasn't any room for an idea like Sonic Boom because it makes no earthly sense you're acting like it can't appeal to an older crowd which it has all the capacity to but completely ignores. In many ways shows like this take the "coward's route" because they pander to an impressionable and extremely young crowd of children.
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I was gonna make a bigger response, but I already saw the arguments you had with the other guys and see you have no real backup to it aside from using a label on Boom that Sonic should've been on in the first place, and no, that's not a credible defense, and it's the very same reason Teen Titans Go! sucks to. Even if I wanted to watch some "Slice of life shit", I'd watch a show that it's about a Video Game/Super Heroes who's suppose to be be about action.
On another note, I also want to point out that you're completely disregarding the reason I compared the two shows, that point being that, fuck the genre label, is an garbage cartoon on all points, especially in writing, while modern TMNT at least respects some of it's own damn background as a franchise, and even had a darker and gritter game based on it's universe, because unlike Sega, the producers of TMNT actually cares about their audience, and they still had good jokes in the game as well, something every peace of Boom shit fails HARD at.
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Are interesting new characters and good incarnations of already existing characters really too much to ask?
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No but comparing an apple to a steak and complaining that they don't taste the same is not how that happens. Boom isn't what you want, bug it was never going to be. From the first words on what it would be we knew it wasn't going to be like TMNT so why is anyone shocked? This is a spin-off for comedy, and it was never meant to be anything else.
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Yes, it was. Officially, it's an action/comedy show, just like TMNT 2012.
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No officially it is a Slice of Life comedy with minor action elements.
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No, go check it. It's primary genre is officially Action, but they barely do anything really action-y aside from maybe in a few episodes. Technically you're right, it's a slice of live sitcom with minor action elements, but they advertised it as an action show and still do.
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No it's Primary Genre as listed by several sites like SSMB TSSZ Sonic Wiki, and Wikipedia is Comedy. They also don't advertise it as an action show, they advertise it as Sonic Boom, and the clip shown is a comedic one. (And on Boomerang because CN doesn't advertise anything) Also from the very beginning we've been told it is a comedy, there's no arguing that when the people writing the show say that.
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Yeah, right. That's why they showed an action scene with one joke that dragged on for way too long as the trailer.
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If you're talking about the first trailer there was more than one joke (3-4 depending on how you look at facial expressions) compared to one action scene.
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What jokes are you referring to? There was the Burnbot joke and maybe that one with Tails in the plane, don't know if it was in the trailer. And no, facial expressions aren't jokes, how do you even come to that conclusion?
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There was the Banter between Eggman and Sonic at the start, the Burnbot Joke, and the Tails in the plane. Also Humor is subjective, Facial Expressions can be comedy depending on who you are, so you can't say that they aren't for everyone.
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The banter is not something I'd count as a joke, it's just a running thing in Sonic. I've seen Sonic insulting Eggman before and getting his name wrong on purpose, quite a lot actually. That would be like calling the words "everypony, somepony, anypony, nopony" from Friendship is Magic jokes. Yeah, it's kind of funny when you see it the first time, but it's just a common thing that happens and happens a lot. Noone in-universe makes a big deal out of it, like Tails going "OMG, did he just insult Eggman?".
Comedy doesn't equal Joke. Facial expressions and reactions can be funny, like Sonic's reaction to Amy asking him to play the bodyguard for a little bird in Sonic Adventure. But they aren't jokes. Jokes are a kind of comedy that's always connected to words.
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Did you seriously just say that a Running Gag is not a joke? It's not even comparable to your pony thing, from what I understand that's there normal words, this is something does to make fun of Eggman. That is a very narrow minded way of looking at things, when you say that Jokes are only word based, when that's far from the truth. The Silent Film era would like to have a word with you if that is the case. And in admitting that facial expressions can be funny you've given comedy the advantage in this situation, so there's more comedy than action in the trailer.
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Look, I called it a "running thing" and not a "Running Gag" for a reason. The thing is, you are supposed to take it "seriously". These constant banters about Sonic insulting Eggman are one of the if not the biggest part of their relationship and I didn't want to call that part of their relationship a "Running Gag". You're not satisfied with pony example, fine. Here's something you can't call incomparable: Bowser kidnapping Peach. Is this a Running Gag? No, it's not. There ARE canon games poking fun of it like the Mario & Luigi series, but mostly, it's the biggest part of Mario's relationship with Bowser. Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario rushes to the rescue, they fight. In Sonic, it's more like the other way around: Sonic insults Eggman, Eggman gets angry, Eggman summons a robot he uses to fight Sonic. It keeps happening, it's a running thing. But since it's part of their relationship it should never EVER be classified as a Joke. But to your defense, SEGA probably doesn't know that either since all of the character relationships in Sonic keep turning into jokes.
I didn't say jokes are the only kind of comedy, but they are a kind of comedy that's about words. "Words within a specific and well-defined narrative structure to make people laugh." Look it up if you want.
Silent Films are mostly about Slapstick and less about actual jokes. Slapstick doesn't equal Joke either. They're both kinds of comedy, but they're completely different in execution. You know, because Slapstick DOESN'T use words.
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I would actually like to see an official source for this statement. Because honestly, they always lied in their advertisements. I haven't once seen the official stuff describing Boom as "Slice of Life".
I may be wrong though.
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