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punctual3 — Can you call them Pro Life now?
Published: 2013-06-13 15:32:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 7651; Favourites: 181; Downloads: 0
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First of all, 99% of the time, no babies are killed during abortion. Most abortions are carried out when the fetus is just a non-sentient fetus. The few times when they happen during late-term pregnancies is to preserve the mother's life, or when the baby won't survive childbirth.There are, however, loads of instances in which anti-abortionists have directly and indirectly killed actual people. There was that tragedy with Savita Halappanavar, who was refused abortion, and died as a result of a miscarriage: [link] .
There have also been many accounts of anti-abortionists first-degree murdering/injuring doctors and bombing clinics/hospitals (just naming some examples):
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In addition, any attempt to illegalize abortions will just result in making abortions unsafe. Unsafe abortions kill 70,000 women a year. On top of that, an average of 300,000 women die from childbirth each year.
No one who values life would support any of this.
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I don't think it takes a historian to know that many English words derived from Latin aren't used with the same literal meaning. Plus, "fetus" has multiple vague definitions in Latin.
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No it's not. And since you're clearly unwilling to provide real evidence for your argument, I recommend that you stop wasting my time and go somewhere else.
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Yeah, in fact I did lose intranet argument. I've been looking everywhere for intranet argument, but I just can't find intranet argument. Have you seen intranet argument?
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Well, what do you want me to do? Feel guilt for something I had no part in whatsoever?
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All I want you to do is to not interfere with anybody's reproductive rights, especially when their life is on the line.
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Of course I don't support making abortion illegal. Not one bit. It's a terrible idea. I thought you meant their more violent acts.
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www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/wor…
books.google.ca/books?id=u4Aei…
www.who.int/reproductivehealth…
bmb.oxfordjournals.org/content…
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This is utterly ridiculous. I don't think you even know what you are saying. Babies are "viable" from conception. Ask a doctor. Any doctor. Look at pictures of babies at 4 weeks in the womb. Duh! Statistics say that about 50 million babies are killed every year! America is killing more babies than hitler ever did!! Now, I'm not condoning what those so-called "pro-life" people did to other people, but abortion has killed WAY more people than any radical protesters have. I don't know where you people get your ideas....sigh
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Do you really believe that there should be more unwanted children in the world than there already are??? What if the child could be born with painful defects that could kill it slowly? Better to let it go quickly. And I think that if the woman could possibly die, her life matters more than a fetus. Same with rape. I doubt a woman who was raped would want the demon spawn of the cunt that shoved his dick in her. It's a woman's body, not yours.
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I'm pretty sure this comment was meant to be a joke, but then, you never know.
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It was no joke. You need to get your facts straight before you go around making blanket statements about things you know nothing about.
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*Fetus at 4 weeks: www.baby2see.com/development/4… Link didn't work the first time for some reason.
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Again, I know absolutely everything I'm talking about. And you're wrong, NONE of my research comes from pro-choice websites (not that pro-choice websites aren't reliable). If you actually followed the links I provided in my description (which I doubt you did), you'd see that they didn't come from pro choice websites.
And here is where I get my facts about the fetal development and the abortion process(from websites provided by actual experts in the medical field):
www.mayoclinic.com/health/pren…
jama.jamanetwork.com/article.a…
I also know that you're a big fat liar. This "Ex-abortionists: Why They Quit" essay you showed me is absolutely not yours. It was written by a pro-lifer in 2000, and it can easily be found on pro-life websites through a google search on the title. Your dishonesty gives enough reason for me to believe that you've done no research on abortion whatsoever.
For this reason, and for the reason this TL;DR copypasta provides no arguments against my points, your comment will be marked as spam.
Are you honestly so incapable of arguing a point that you have to lie?
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Oh wait. You're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
"This is utterly ridiculous. I don't think you even know what you are saying."
I'm fully aware of everything I've said, and I support every claim I make. Next:
"Babies are "viable" from conception. Ask a doctor. Any doctor."
That's not true. Fetuses cannot survive outside the womb before 23 weeks (which is roughly 5 months, and in the late term). Even then, their chance of viability is about 50%. Any doctor can tell you this. Hell, it doesn't even take a doctor to know this.
"Look at pictures of babies at 4 weeks in the womb. Duh!"
At 4 weeks in the womb, this is what a "baby" looks like: www.baby2see.com/development/4… What's your point?
"Statistics say that about 50 million babies are killed every year!"
Lawl. No.
Sure, there are concerns with infant mortality, but the rate is no where near 50 million a year. And the leading cause is most certainly NOT abortion, since it very rarely kills infants.
"America is killing more babies than hitler ever did!!"
Read my response above.
"Now, I'm not condoning what those so-called "pro-life" people did to other people, but abortion has killed WAY more people than any radical protesters have."
No it hasn't.
"I don't know where you people get your ideas....sigh"
Through proper research, education, and reliable sources; that's where we get our ideas
"You need to get your facts straight before you go around making blanket statements about things you know nothing about."
I recommend getting your own facts straight before you tell others to. I actually know quite a bit about the abortion process, among other things. Maybe if you look outside your tunnel vision, read up on medical facts, and stop believing everything you hear on anti-abortion websites, you will too.
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I recommend that you "freethinkers" think outside the box. I did my research for my abortion paper on both sides. I'll admit. I am a little biased because I believe in the sanctity of life. I'm not going to apologize for that. The reason Hitler was able to order the killing of so many people is because first: he was evil second: because he desensitized himself to death so it didn't bother his conscience. I don't want my generation to ignore this outright murder. Even if people like you think you are doing good.
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"I recommend that you "freethinkers" think outside the box. I did my research for my abortion paper on both sides"
No, you did not. In my previous reply, I've already shown that your "paper" is something you copy+pasted from an anti-abortion website. If you want to argue and if you want to prove that you're oh so moral, telling the truth is the very least you can do. And "thinking outside the box" is precisely why I am pro-choice
"I'll admit. I am a little biased because I believe in the sanctity of life."
Your belief in the "sanctity of life" is extremely deluded, especially since your movement is destroying many lives.
"The reason Hitler was able to order the killing of so many people is because first: he was evil second: because he desensitized himself to death so it didn't bother his conscience."
Comparing the holocaust and genocides to abortion? Classy.
"I don't want my generation to ignore this outright murder. Even if people like you think you are doing good."
All right, while you live on in your dreamworld of "saving" fetuses, I'm going to continue advocating my reproduction rights, and putting effort into supporting REAL humans. It's too bad that all this effort wasted on "saving unborn children" isn't being put into helping actual people who genuinely need help. Otherwise, this world would be a far greater place.
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Did you listen to anything I said? I never said that was my paper. I told you that I did a paper. I can put it on here if you want. You shouldn't jump to conclusions. In one of the links you put on here, you proved that you were lying. It showed fetal development week by week. I don't know exactly what you were trying to prove there except that you were wrong about there not being life at conception. May I remind you that you were once "a fetus" growing inside your mother. She chose to keep you. And she had absolutely NO right to choose to get rid of you.
Abortion IS genocide. Are you people so blind that you can't see what's right in front of you. ALL humans have rights. You are human from the point of conception. So a baby has as much right as anyone to live. Your statement about worrying about real people is ridiculous. BABIES ARE REAL PEOPLE!! And your other statement is also unfair. There are thousands of organizations in the United States alone providing for people that come from abused homes, homeless people, children without parents, and people suffering from hunger. So, one group stands up for life and that is offensive? How messed up can you get?! There are radical protesters on both sides of ANY argument. You are seriously going to take a few radicals that don't even care about life and say that the whole organization is corrupt? That is really biased. Yes, I do believe in morals. I believe if someone is being unjustly treated, they should be protected by the law. For goodness sakes, even ANIMALS have more rights than babies do!! Animals are not even protected under the constitution. This world is so twisted. And, btw, my family sends money to a deaf school and two of our friends who are widows. I plan to start a foster home for teenagers when I graduate college. Yeah, that's a dream world. You know what? I am more worried about peoples souls than their earthly comfort. But, I still help people. This world would be a better place if people like you stopped pretending like you are advocates for choice and start calling it by its real name. What's the opposite of pro life? I think you can answer that.
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"Did you listen to anything I said? I never said that was my paper. I told you that I did a paper. I can put it on here if you want. You shouldn't jump to conclusions."
Fair enough; my apologies. Essay is still ridiculously long, doesn't directly counter the points I argued, and is not written by you, thus it counts as spam.
"In one of the links you put on here, you proved that you were lying. It showed fetal development week by week."
I believe I've acknowledged that the link in question provided info on fetal development. How is that lying?
"I don't know exactly what you were trying to prove there except that you were wrong about there not being life at conception."
Lol. Where in the link did it say that any of the shown stages could be classified as life? And what I proved was that, contrary to what a lot of anti-choicers say, in the first trimester, a fetus is incapable of thinking or feeling, and doesn't even develop a brain until over a month after conception.
"May I remind you that you were once "a fetus" growing inside your mother. She chose to keep you."
Exactly. She CHOSE to keep me. The pro-life movement doesn't advocate choice.
"And she had absolutely NO right to choose to get rid of you."
She had absolutely EVERY right to get rid of me, and she knew this, but she decided to have me anyways. It wasn't because she felt that she was obligated to. It's because she genuinely wanted me. In my opinion, that adds a lot of meaning to my existence.
"Abortion IS genocide."
No, it is not. You are very ill-informed about the term "genocide". Its literal definition is this: "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group." Fetuses are not a national, racial, political, or cultural group. Learn what words mean before you use them, buddy. Comparing abortion to genocide is not only completely ignorant, but it's also very disrespectful towards the groups who have actually been murdered in genocides. Have a little decency.
"Are you people so blind that you can't see what's right in front of you."
If I had believed you had any form of self-conscience, I'd think you were talking to yourself.
"ALL humans have rights."
And non-humans (ie: unborn fetuses in the first trimester ) do not.
"You are human from the point of conception."
No you're not.
"So a baby has as much right as anyone to live."
But an unborn fetus does not.
"Your statement about worrying about real people is ridiculous. BABIES ARE REAL PEOPLE!!"
Unborn fetuses who can't even think or feel, on the other hand....
"And your other statement is also unfair. There are thousands of organizations in the United States alone providing for people that come from abused homes, homeless people, children without parents, and people suffering from hunger."
Well, that's good. Now if they were more effective....
"So, one group stands up for life and that is offensive? How messed up can you get?!"
Anti-abortion organizations consist of a lot more than one group, Einstein. Over 60% of America is currently prolife, and so is around 38% of Canada.
"There are radical protesters on both sides of ANY argument. You are seriously going to take a few radicals that don't even care about life and say that the whole organization is corrupt? That is really biased."
Try reading my description again. Though I do believe that the pro-life movement is corrupt in its own way, I did not say that it reflects the exact actions of the listed radicals. I said that the murder victims, as well as the thousands of women who die yearly from not being able to attain a safe abortion, make up a hell of a lot more deaths than anything that has been aborted. And what I say is true.
"Yes, I do believe in morals."
Well, maybe you should recheck them.
"For goodness sakes, even ANIMALS have more rights than babies do!!"
Non-human animals may have more rights than unborn fetuses (and rightfully so), but they most certainly don't have more rights than babies.
"This world is so twisted."
One of the reasons why is because of the willful ignorance of a lot of individuals like yourself.
"And, btw, my family sends money to a deaf school and two of our friends who are widows."
Donating to a deaf school doesn't mean you're right about being pro-life. And I don't see what being friends with widows is supposed to prove.
"I plan to start a foster home for teenagers when I graduate college. Yeah, that's a dream world."
Again, even if what you say is true, that doesn't prove that you're right about thinking fetuses have to be saved, which does indeed show that you're living in a dream world. (And if you succeed in your foster home goal, here's hoping that it will not just shelter heterosexual White cis teenagers.)
"This world would be a better place if people like you stopped pretending like you are advocates for choice and start calling it by its real name. What's the opposite of pro life? I think you can answer that."
Yes I can! The answer is pro-choice 
Anyway, arguing with you has really gotten as boring as hell, so I encourage that we drop this debate.
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Goddamn, you even pointed out his/her hypocrisy in this.
Goes to show how pro-fetus s/he is lol
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Tl;DR. If you're going to choose not to pay attention to what I said, what makes you think I'm going to pay attention to a mostly irrelevant copypasta argument with nothing but biased sources?
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I suppose it would do no good to say that you are not thinking for yourself, but I doubt you would listen to reason. My sources are not biased. They are from former abortion doctors who left because they couldn't stand killing children anymore. I copied and pasted sources
because you needed to hear facts, not my opinion.
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"I suppose it would do no good to say that you are not thinking for yourself..."
I agree. It would be no good because you would be very wrong
"...I doubt you would listen to reason."
If I were to listen to you, I wouldn't be listening to reason, lol.
"My sources are not biased. They are from former abortion doctors who left because they couldn't stand killing children anymore."
Every single one of your sources came from pro-lifers. Yeah, that's totally not biased at all.
"I copied and pasted sources because you needed to hear facts, not my opinion."
Very little of your copypasta provided facts, so...
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"I agree. It would be no good because you would be very wrong "
You would have to call the truth wrong. So, good luck with that.
"If I were to listen to you, I wouldn't be listening to reason, lol."
Then don't listen to me. Look at the facts that I clearly gave to you. Truth is truth. No matter if you don't like it.
"Every single one of your sources came from pro-lifers. Yeah, that's totally not biased at all."
That is completely untrue. Only some of them were from pro-life resources and they all listed researched and factual information. But, this is useless. If you don't even listen to doctors why would you listen to anything else.
I only saw one of your "sources" that was from a medical website and it didn't argue one way or the other. Since you said before that you think the pro-life movement is corrupt, that makes You a little biased doesn't it? After all. Its impossible not to be biased one way or the other.
"Very little of your copypasta provided facts, so..."
That is also untrue. Several of my sources were stories about doctors who left the field. How is that not factual?
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Hon, you already agreed to drop the debate. Why are you continuing it?
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I didn't realize you sent me two messages. So, I answered both of them. Hon.
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Lol, sure thing. Bye bye.
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Photoshop, or any other image editing program will do. Templates can be found on this site.
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I realize this is a Deviant Stamp, might I use this elsewhere?
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Sure. Where will you use it?
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I'm in a pro-woman FB group and I thought the members may like it
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Ah, OK. It will be appreciated if you also credit me
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It's pro-fetus, once they're born the pro-life lot doesn't give a shit
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About the size of it.
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"The only way to reason with a savage, Is with a bigger club." - Mack Bolan
Simply put, If the savages try to hurt you, Give them the knife.
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