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This is an attempt at a detailed map of Robert Silverberg's "Gate of Worlds" alternate history setting, including material from the followup collaborative work "Beyond the Gate of Worlds" with Robert Brunner and Chelsea Quinn Yarbro.This is one of those worlds where Europe gets hit harder by the black plague than in ours, allowing the Islamic world to take over and the native American peoples get a respite: later the Turks are too busy holding down their overextended empire to go on any Hesperidian Jihads (the Americas are called the Hesperides in this world). Russia, thanks to thin population, bad roads and isolation is less hard hit by the plague, but isn't strong enough (yet) to challenge the Ottoman Turks in Europe, so it moves east earlier than in our world, becoming a sort of Christian steppe empire, and eventually invading north China when it enters a stage of late-dynastic decay. The Russians carve off those bits without too many Chinese and vassalize the rest. The Chinese previously (due to butterflies from very different history to the west) keep sailing longer than in our world, eventually getting as far as New Zealand, where the shipwreck of much of a Treasure Fleet in a great storm gives the Maori a useful technological leg up.
History happens. By the early 21st century the Ottoman empire is in advanced decay, having lost its African possession to an Arab revival, and with its grip on much of Europe slipping away. The world's strongest powers are the Aztecs and the Russians, although the Russians have suffered a setback due to an outbreak of civil war after the assassination of a Czar, leading to a revolt in China and a quieter rebellion in Japan, also a Russian vassal. Much of Africa is booming economically. Northern Europe is finally re-emerging as a place where Stuff Happens, but probably too late in history to make much difference. The Maori have rather less people than the two big powers, but tend to punch well above their weight due to technical savvy.
It's a somewhat less technologically advanced world than our own, with heavier than air flight and dirigibles still in the theoretical stages (although man-carrying gliders exist), telegraph but no radio, trains and steamships and cars powered by steam and powdered coal. Still, technological progress is accelerating, and certain secret societies are working to prevent technological warfare as bad or worse as our world wars from happening: for the Gate of Worlds is delicately balanced, and with the help of a wizard, one can predict exactly when and where one needs to push...
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turkishboi [2024-10-05 03:17:25 +0000 UTC]
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Seb96M [2021-01-29 02:56:26 +0000 UTC]
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TedShatner10 [2020-03-09 14:55:15 +0000 UTC]
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Goliath-Maps [2019-07-27 13:01:34 +0000 UTC]
What's the relationship between the Turks and Russians like? Both rule over fairly large territories filled with people of the others' religion- have their been many population changes? It seems plausible that although they have plenty of ideological reason to dislike eachother, they act as support, in one of those 'co-dominion' tight settings.
Seeing the Maori this powerful with such a late POD is... intriguing. Perhaps implausible.Β
Anything big happen between 2008 and 2019?
Another fantastic work. You continue to be a huge inspiration- maybe, just maybe, I'll change base maps one day because of this.
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QuantumBranching In reply to Goliath-Maps [2019-08-07 05:39:32 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I was just guesstimating at the amount of time from the first novel to the events of the second - the information is a bit vague and contradictory. I imagine there's a good chance that the Russians and Aztecs will come into conflict over California, the Aztecs are probably going to expand on several fronts, the Highland Inca will probably enter into an actual alliance with the Maori in hopes of staving off the Aztec Menace, the lowland Inca's empire may or may not fall apart, the number of contestants in the Mandate of Heaven stakes will probably reduce, the Russians and maybe the Japanese will try to meddle in the aforementioned mess, and the Ottomans will continue to struggle to get their crap together.Β
I'm thinking of the initial Maori-Chinese contact happening in the 16th century, [1] which does give them _some_ time. I will admit it still may be not enough, but I'm imagining the big expansion into Indonesia is a recent development with the Maori as a Brash Young Power. After all, they don't even seem to exist in the first book, which starts off (or possibly ends) in 1985.
If Russia and the Aztecs, who we see cooperating to meddle in Songhai politics in the second book, end up as enemies, the Russians might look to some sort of entente cordial with the Ottomans: the Ottomans have been seen as interested in new worldΒ ventures themselves, looking to the Lowland Inca as an ally and possible Islamic convert, which is definitely going to bring them in conflict with the Aztecs now that they have a solid foothold in South America.
[1] Yes, that possibly contradicts something in the book, but I want them to have a more reasonable chance.
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TedBacon12 [2019-07-24 19:19:00 +0000 UTC]
This is the map i didnt know i needed. Smashing job as always
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Segomaros In reply to TedBacon12 [2019-08-09 11:48:17 +0000 UTC]
Love this.Β Silverburg's Gate of Worlds was one of the formative books that got me into AH, back in the day.
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CHIPMUNKEN [2019-07-24 16:12:26 +0000 UTC]
Is Hermann the German a reference to Death Race 2000?
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QuantumBranching In reply to CHIPMUNKEN [2019-07-25 07:29:41 +0000 UTC]
No, to this chapΒ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arminius
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PersephoneEosopoulou [2019-07-24 12:56:51 +0000 UTC]
I assume Europe has a very large Muslim population form conversion and internal migration in the Ottoman Empire?
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QuantumBranching In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2019-07-25 07:35:22 +0000 UTC]
Yep. They're a majority in Iberia and Italy as a whole, for instance, if not in the northern bits, and even though England kicked out the Turks in 1925 they still have enough Muslims that they can't just expel them: for one thing, it would utterly wreck the economy.
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paireon In reply to QuantumBranching [2019-07-29 12:29:15 +0000 UTC]
So basically the English understand what the Spanish didn't (although to be fair to the Spanish, industrial age understanding of economics is much more developed than it was in the early exploration age).
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to QuantumBranching [2019-07-25 09:07:42 +0000 UTC]
Well damn. That's a lot of people indeed.
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MrImperatorRoma [2019-07-24 00:58:22 +0000 UTC]
I really like this one. And what I've noticed to be a general gravitation towards QBAM maps (I think that's the series?).
I'm gonna take it that alt-Shakespeare probably either doesn't exist, or is gonna show up later to make Turkish Rambo movies rather than Plays.
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QuantumBranching In reply to MrImperatorRoma [2019-07-24 01:53:03 +0000 UTC]
One can get a lot more visible detail into QBAMs.Β
Didn't mention Bill Shakes, but in the books he writes plays in Turkish to flatter England's rulers (the Ottomans weren't ejected from Britain until 1925).
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LogoP [2019-07-24 00:55:52 +0000 UTC]
Compared to OTL, at what year is this world, technologically? Colonisation seems to be only now taking off.
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QuantumBranching In reply to LogoP [2019-07-24 02:03:55 +0000 UTC]
Sort of late 19th century in general engineering, a bit further behind in physics: enough about electricity to have telegraphs, but no radio and it seems unlikely anyone is going to come up with relativity anytime soon.
Colonization isn't happening as OTL: industrial modernity is too widespread for any one area to dominate the globe like Europeans did in our world. There are some areas that may get overrun by outsiders - interior north America, the central African jungles, parts of southern Africa and SE Asia/Indonesia - but quite a lot of the planet isn't a walkover for anyone.
(The British have ambitions for overseas expansion. Their estimates of their capacity, like Imperial Japan OTL, are likely to be rather overblown. The Aztecs, on the other hand...)
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