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I've been feeling overwhelmed lately with my research paper and preparing for school this coming week. I decided to take a break and 'mediate' by finishing this. This was for the Steampunk Calendar collaboration at the Manga Revolution site. I chose February because it has Valentine's Day. Anywho, this is my character, Seth, the female version. (LOL, for those who don't know, my OC is bi-gender).Initially, I had trouble with a color palette. Then I decided to stick with greens and reds to get those brown tones, I mixed in some other colors since Seth is a colorful type of character. And believe it or not, I didn't blend the colors. This is done in the same technique as "Seth aka Rainbow". I'm basically using flat colors against flat colors. I think I'm getting better at this technique. This image is way more innovational than my previous work. And speaking of which...
Wow, what detail, eh? XP I really wanted to do a proper background. I got inspired by Islam pattern work and wanted something like that. (No reference was used for this, btw). This is called Seth as Venus since it's paying a tribute to Venus. There are subtle esoteric messages here that I'll leave only to the art majors out there to find. ^_~ Enjoy decoding it!
After doing this, I so want to finish my DMC fanfic so everyone knows what happens to Seth in that story. Alas, I got other things to take care of.
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I remember seeing this as workin progress.. wow! you really made it amazing! 
~ Thesandman from MR
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Thanks! So glad you love the final result. It took me awhile to settle on a good color palette lol. hard work. =___=
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The colours and patterns really are very Islamic/Arabic.
:] the hard work paid off then. I wish i could see the lineart again... i was like O_O so much detail when i saw it in MR.. and wow you really worked hard to make it a Smeggin' awesome piece of art.
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Beautiful detail. Gotta love any drawing that incorporates stockings! :333 I love the rich colors used in this. I really makes her hair, and hat stand out. And after I looked at again, I just now saw the dog in her lap.
I love those kind of drawings!! Where you look at it one time and see something, and then examine it closer and see even more detail, and nifty things in the artwork.
Very well executed!! ♥♥♥
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Thanks! I love stockings. Any time I can sneak them in it's a good day. 
And ha, glad you saw the dog! Yeah, he's one of those little surprises that hides in the shadow until you spot him.
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You're welcome! Yes you must if they include stockings! >3
He'd make a perfect guard dog. XD He'd be one of those dogs that hides in the shadows and then bites the robber in the butt when he's not looking. Or family members you don't like. XD
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this has to be the best costume design - EVER! haha
i would totally wear it
this is such a beautiful and detailed picture, i love it
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Hearts. Hearts. Hearts. Or I guess one gigantic heart. I've always been into dots and little symbols I can't believe I havn't come running directly to this once I asked Henri when we could start faving things.
Your faces are always so elegant!!
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haha, yeah, I wanted to include the heart shape since this was for February month: Valentine's Day.
I'm glad you love her face.
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Yes, something about your faces are so elegant. I always think it's how you do the eyelids and cheekbones. The face is almost always set in a... sure manner. Not usually smiling, but like YEAH. I KNOW EVERYTHING. Even though I'm sure she doesn't know everything XD. Perfect balance.
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Lol, I remember this picture from MR! I loved this pic before and I still love it! XD. *immediate fave*
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Thank you!
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Hov many details! 8D
Breathtakin...
Just instant fav and donut eyes!
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Thanks! It took me a helluva long time to color it. And with a mouse too. >_> My friend just let me borrow her tablet but it feels so wierd to me, that I'm just gonna continue using my mouse until I get comfortable enough with the tablet to color my images.
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Wow! It was coloured with MOUSEPAD!! O____________o
Omg... died...
You should get some prize...
The pic is great and it was coloured with mouse only...
Briliant!
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Yeah, it's been all mouse for me in all my digital work. I'll invest in a tablet but right now, i'm just trying to meet deadlines for class assignments. Sadly, that doesn't leave me with time to adjust myself to the tablet so I continue to use the mouse. >_>
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Oh i have tablet but i cant really good use it...
and if u prefear mouse pad than use it 
The work's are important, not tool's
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Thanks! I'm glad you loved it.
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This is awesome! Great character, crazy detail. Great job on proportion and perspective! I really like this one alot!
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LOL, sorry for the long belated reply. But seriously THANK YOU for those kind words.
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Im impressed by your style, detail and patterns, wanna learn from u!
See u around?
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Thank you!
Sure thing! ^_^
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:spasms: Oh my god! You finished it. I love it! It's amazing. I so want to say something intelligent but my brain keeps blanking out when I see how great this piece is.
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ha! I'm glad you love it! I'm surprised I'm still sane after that picture. O_o
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I am too. My Roses picture is also driving me crazy with all those roses to paint. So I feel your pain. But it's worth it.
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Think of it as meditation. That's what I did. In fact, any piece that requires a lot of effort demands patience. This piece I did really forced me to take a deep breath and relax. It's why I went in this direction. Islam architecture was also intentionally done with intricate patterns to convey this feeling of ecstasy. That's another I wanted for Seth as Venus, which is supposed to be a sensual piece that invokes an orgasm-like state through pattern and hysteria.
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I could see the Islamic influence in the piece. Thank you for the advice I will clear my mind and continue. And Seth is so lovely as Venus.
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I'm definitely going to keep using Islam work for inspiration. As well as for my stories. You know, they were the ones who created the first hero story. In fact, England ripped off several of their stories; King Arther and his knights being one of them.
it's good to clear your mind. Be sure to relax when you do those flowers.
Hah, I'm glad you think Seth looks lovely as Venus. I really wanted Seth's feminine side to be spunky.
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Really? I never knew that. I want to read the original now so I can compare and contrast the two. However my favorite hero story will always be The Fairie Queene by Edmund Spenser. There were so many strong female warriors helping the hero. I guess that is one of the themes running through my own stories.
I recently checked out a book on the Pre-Raphaelites and there was one painting that inspired me to keep on going. I love the Pre-Raphaelites particularly Dante Gabriel Rossetti and Edward Burne-Jones.
And spunky she is. There needs to be more spunky female characters on this site.
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You'd be surprised at how many strong-willed female figures there are in Middle East stories. I just finished my research and used the story of Inanna. That girl just ROCKS. She embraces her sexuality and was a Goddess for Islam culture. Unfortuantely, as the male population grew bold, they pretty much let her die off. But wow, it's amazing, her story pre-dated all of the stories we know today. We're talking *before* the bible was even written! 
Oooh, I'll definitely look out for Dante Rossetti. I think I heard her name before. Your work definitely has that soft quality of the Pre-Raphaelites period.
Tee hee! I'm glad you love her spunk. I plan to draw Seth more during this semester and fit him/her in all sorts of clothing.
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Inanna is awesome! That is all I can say. I loved her story as a child. Much more than the stupid romance novels that were being shoveled on me then. I love stories with strong and powerful women who acted like human beings rather than silly romance novel heroines. That is why my ultimate guilty pleasure animes of all time are Kiddy Grade and Burst Angel. I am so ashamed. But the main female protagonists were strong and cute. Except Burst Angel needed a fashion makeover for the cast fast. In Kiddy Grade the head commander was a woman. They weren't like many anime female characters that simpered and waited for the man to protect them, they kicked ass. Pardon the French.
Thank you. That is one of the greatest compliments that anyone has ever given me. 
Oh then may I make a request? Draw Seth in Fruits style. I have always had a soft spot for that style. It is so creative and would fit Seth like a glove.
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yeah, Inanna rocked. And i can't believe I didn't know much about her until not long ago. >.< It tells you how marginalized empowered female figures are here in the states.
Ha, you sound so much like me.
Indefinitely. I just love how soft you make your characters. In fact, I'm envious of you!
Oh hell yeah, Seth is all about outrageous clothes and styles. Fruits style will fit him nicely.
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The schools are quick to shove submissive female characters down one's throat. But you have to do lots of research to find a good female one. Gah! Stupid English and American classic literature, give me the French Decadents any day. Though I love Shakespeare for some of his female characters. Like the wet nurse in Romeo and Juliet who seemed a hairbreadth from using the back hand of sense on Juliet.
I guess you can't have all the little girls getting it into their heads that you have to fight for the things you want. That in this world you have to be strong to be free. If you do that then all the punc- er good girls are going to die out. I say screw that. Give me mean female characters that would shoot you dead if you gave them the hairy eye.
Don't be envious of me. If you looked in my sketchbooks you would horrified by the horrendous anatomy I have going on. That is why I have switched to drawing on the computer. At least I can correct it so it doesn't look so bad. I'm envious of your coloring style. It is so vibrant and unique. And I love the geometry of your work. I could make a tutorial on how I make those lips if you like.
It totally would fit him. He would look super cute.
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I totally agree. Schools don't even focus on female artists like Artemesia. You have to go to college to learn a female artist or two. Even then, it's not enough. I grew up watching James Cameron movies (Aliens, Terminator, etc.). So naturally, I thought the rest of society would be smart enough to realized women deserve their dues. I think Ripley remains to be the only female cahracter out there that is empowered by upholds her gender identity.
For me, it's not enough for a woman to be 'a man' or to assume a man's role. I love Ghost in the Shell, but I have to wonder why a woman like that has to be a lesbian. In fact, it's the same for other empowered characters like Xena. Somehow, society thinks a woman has to be a lesbian to be strong. Even Ripley went down that road after Alien Resurrection. Everyone thought she and Call were '
Part of me is excited by this Seth picture. There are plenty of esoteric messages in here. This is called Venus because it's a tribute to the Venus paintings, more specifically, Manet's Olympia. If you know the story behind that painting, then this should be a give-away. There's a reason why there's a dog here. And there's a reason why it's positioned where it is. More importantly, there's a reason why Seth looks directly out to the viewer. I think if you dissected this piece, you would see Seth is an empowered female character.
Oh, please do post those tutorials. I would love how to do lips like that, if only to try it out.
LOL, I'll be sure to fit him in Fruit style clothes then.
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I concur. I had high hopes for Selene's character in 28 Days Later until the later half of the movie. She went from a survivor to a damsel in distress. It was very depressing. I agree Ripley was an amazingly strong character. I mean I have sympathy for the xenomorphs because they were only following their nature. But Ripley was awesome. I particularly loved her journey from shell shocked victim to a fighter in Aliens. If you don't mind crazy gore then check out Undead. The main female character is the one of the strongest females I have seen in a while besides the Machine Girl.
I agree. I would like to see more strong female characters that weren't treated as lesbians. It's like they are trying to say that if you are a strong woman then forget dating men.
I read it in your livejournal. It is a great way to show Seth. I like that the painting has many more layers other than the pretty. It is a quality that many modern art doesn't have. If they aren't trying to be trendy then it is just a bid to make a painting cool rather than meaningful. This is why I look to so many older artists for inspiration. I love the narrative and symbolic qualities to their paintings. And for the many years I have been on this site, your paintings are the only ones that shares that trait. In fact, I'm trying to find symbols in African art and Voodoo to represent my own main female characters Chris and Ragana in a painting.
Okay, I'll try to post one up soon. After I do some memes. I'm addicted to those things. 
Yeah! I can't wait.
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Wow, I know! Selene totally rocked, but then she seemed to lose her edge afterward. I could probably see how that happened, though. She basically changed from a mindlessly killing machine to a woman who rediscovered her humanity after being with Jim and the others. While that took away her edge, I think that made her into a balanced character, which is what women should strive to be. Like I stated earlier, it's not enough for a woman to assume a "man's role" in order to be empowered. She needs to be strong and still maintain her gender identity as well.
Yeah, I hold Ripley to a high pedestral after Aliens. She was empowered and strong, but also a loving mother figure for Newt. She basically stated that a woman can feel proud to be a woman, but at the same time, have the strength to compete with the men. I think that's what we need today. We jsut still embrace our unique qualities. We hold the power of life within our bellies while men hold the seed to creation. Men and women should compliment each other and embrace their differences; not make ourselves into the same mold.
LOL, that's great to hear. I tried to explain all those messages in this image. You're right, there aren't many images that invoke various meanings. The paintings in the past were filled with esoteric messages to decode. If you think about it, that was because they didn't have the internet or tv. Back in that time, paintings were entertainment. People spent hours 'watching' it. I'm so happy you thought this image held a narrative and symbolic qualites. You should definitely look into African Art and Voodoo for your characters. That'll strengthen them indefinitely.
Oooh, I can't wait!
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Selene did become more human now that you mention it. I watched the movie again last night with the commentary and the director stated that was his intention. I think though in the beginning of the movie when they were still in London, she still needed that hard edge to survive. It has been my theory that she had someone close to her get infected and had to fight that person off, hence the emotional shutdown. But as the story progressed and they moved into areas with less Infected she slowly started to regain who she was. I guess my only problem had to be the soldiers with rape on the mind. It is kind of cliche for post apocalyptic films.
Oh man, you make me fangirl that was so eloquent. Too many people today seems to think strong means being a man. And that to embrace our more feminine qualities means that you're weak or that you're a sellout. I think people are so jumpy about saying that men and women are different from one another because in the past society has used that to keep women in bondage. But we are different and the older I get the more I realize this. That was the biggest mistake feminism has made in my opinion. Saying that women and men are the same cuts women off at the neck. Not that I am bashing feminism because if it wasn't for feminism, I wouldn't be able to sit here writing or attend school. It just that saying that statement as you said fits us into the same mold without respecting our differences.
You're welcome.
And definitely I shall post up some tutorials. Also I am going to start the Oc meme remix thingie and I was wondering if I could use Seth for it?
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Yeah, getting raped by a group of horney males is sooo a cliche.
Hah, did you hear the commentary about Jim and the General? ^_^ Even before I heard the director's commentary, I sensed homoerotic tones in their scenes together, especially with the General talks to Jim about the women issue. I was so hoping they'd just shut up and make out.
Feminism is a lovely concept. Unfortuantely, I'm concerned with most of today's women who proclaim themselves as feminists. I admit, I used to call myself a feminist years ago. But I totally take that back. Today's meaning of that word is distorted. Only a small percent of women really knows what it means to stand up for rights and liberty. The rest, well, they're just as worse as the male chavinstic pigs they hate. They have no problem telling men that they're evil. But just because women were once oppressed doesn't really entitle us to become the new tyrants of tomorrow. We need to be better than that. And it starts by having a conversation with men, not excluding, which is often the case for many feminists.
Hah, yeah, I'm cutting back in videogames and trying to be more '
Oooh, you're starting on the OC meme! I can't wait. And of course you can use Seth! 
Seth:
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I know, I have seen that cliche in every post apocalyptic movie except Doomsday where the main bad guys just wanted to eat people. But then again the main female character doesn't have the depth nor the character arc that Selene has. I found that moment when she defends the girl one of the most gut wrenching moments of the entire film. I for one am tired of Rambo and his ilk in action films. I am glad that they didn't make Selene female Rambo and start killing everything that got in her way. What she did is more amazing. I'm glad that Tim Boyle did not go with the original ending that he had where Jim does and Selene and Hannah walk out hand in hand to go kill as many infected as they can. The final ending was more true for all of their character arcs.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. Cillian can bring the sex appeal in every role I have seen him in. Even in Batman Begins I was like "
I'm a feminist but not in the manner that people tell me I should be. I believe in personal sovereignty and the ability to make my own choices but I don't believe in running away from dealing with men. Men are one half of the population and to think that we can run away and hide is ludicrous. Sure everything is not perfect between men and women but part of becoming a better person is dealing with the fact that nothing is perfect. I have stopped caring whether or not that makes me a "good" feminist or one of the fakes. Because one the things, I've noticed is that feminists of today are quick to tar another woman if they don't conform. That and I write too much smut to truly be called a feminist by other feminist.
You should, that book made me look at a lot of things in my life in different ways. And it is one of the few feminist books I have read that doesn't exclude men from the discussion. It is all about the ways women are portrayed in the media and while it does get carried away with the church bashing and anti-technology views, it does bring up the interesting point of why serial killers are so popular in fiction nowadays. The only game I have been trying to finish recently is Killer 7. It is so bizarre like a Sonic Youth song.
Thank you! I will try my best to cheer him up. I don't get why someone would say that about him. It's not like he's a super perfect fairy dust type creature who has the perfect love of the entire universe. He has flaws and so does Dante. And their relationship is a real one with all the ups and downs and misunderstandings that comes from those circumstances. If someone can say that about Seth then no one's character is safe. I mean comments like that never help. If she hated OCs so much then she should have hit the back button. I think it's just someone being nasty and cruel. You have a thicker skin then me because I would have to challenge her reasons on why she felt that way. Please Seth don't let the bastards get you down like that U2 song says. I'll even get out my Fresh Fruits book and draw you in something colorful and pretty.
Walter: 
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Yeah, those alternate endings didn't do it for me either. I think maybe the one where Jim dies in the hospital and Selene tells Hannah they're going to move on. That was a very powerful female moment. Still, I'm glad they went with that ending of them together. 
You bought Red Eye too??? 
HA! You see, I can always tells the geniuine feminists from the wanna-be's. You're probably one of the few who are the real deal. A feminist is able to embrace both genders. And a feminist should be free to write smut.
yeah, it's frustrating creating an OC that doesn't automatically get labeled into the Mary-Sue list. This is what she said: "I want to see Seth die. Dante and his heartbreak? I saw that one a mile a way. I am sure you didn't mean for Seth to be a hate able character, but, I hate him. I really want to see Dante pull that sword from Seth's body and watch him die. -Shrugs- If this depresses you? I am sorry, that's just the way I am."
I probably should challenge the reader. Unfortunately, I've seen enough reviews like this to realize readers who have the mary-sue syndrome will never change. Anyway, Seth finally is out of his room. He read what you said and has been very giddy over Walter blowing him a kiss.
Seth:
Calm down, Seth. >_>
Seth:
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It's great at the start but then the cheese kills me. I took out Red Eye and put in The Cell instead. I heard that was the case with Sunshine, so I didn't pick it up. I'm trying to get my hands on The Wind That Shakes the Barley. He plays an over romantic revolutionary that ends up destroying the very revolution he started. I confess I just want to see it so I can see him dressed up in pretty nineteenth century tweed suits.
I like Camille Paglia and I have never understood what the hostility towards her was all about. I identify more with what she says then with any other feminist thinker whose books I've come across. When you try to talk to most feminist about issues such as improving the quality of life for women worldwide, they go blank. Then a lot of them claim you're threatening them by mentioning that. In Western society women have it very good but we fail to share that wealth with countries that still have a medieval view of women. Camille actually mentions this fact in her books. And that is one of many reasons why I like her.
Well besides the fact that Dante is a fictional he's also a big boy that can take of himself. She's getting a bit over protective there, no? And besides every original character comes with a small piece of their creator inside of them. I don't see any one criticizing Hemingway for the excessive Gary stu ness that a lot of his main characters has. I like Seth and I like Dante and more importantly I like them together. And evidently a lot of people feel the same way.
So don't let it bother you. And I'm glad Seth feels better. Walter is too
Walter:
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I love cheese but that middle part, the whole family about to get assassinated, just killed it for me. That's when you know this came from the same guy who made Freddy Krueger.
Yeah, I got the Wind that Shakes the Barley already. It's, um, very dramatic. Cillian is great because he can really blend into his cahracter. You almost forget it's Cillian. That boy is definitely gonna get an Oscar someday. He's got mad skills. He's a freakin' chameleon! The story of that movie, well, it's repetitive. A group of guys are always charging into some store house to get weapons. After seeing it happen three times, I gets boring. I think the only thing that's incredible is the relationship between the two brothers.
One Cillian movie you really *should* see with Cillian is Disco Pigs, btw!
Feminists have a problem with Camille because she says it how it is. She's brutally honest, which doesn't bold well for feminists who want to believe that their problems is all on the man. Camille demands sincere accountability. Most feminists are eager to
You're so right. Every character, from the movies to the books has a piece of the creator there. Frankly, I think the Gary Sue/Mary Sue has been a phrase employeed too much. Not to say that there *aren't* any mary Sue fanfics there. But Mary Sues tend to dwell in stories with no/cliched plot and likes to steals the scene from the copyrighted character (ex
Otherwise, honestly, I think this has more to do with jealously. The reader doesn't want their fave character with another person other than their fave character or, lol, with themselves.
Yeah, I'm better now. I think it just bothered me that this reader hated Seth so much that she wanted to see him dead already. I don't care if she thought he was an OC. But hating him like that was kinda depressing. Still, maybe I should be happy that readers are actually reacting to this story with powerful emotions. I'd rather than feel something and talk about it than just go ho-hum.
Seth:
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I love cheese too. You should see my collection of Shaw Brothers kung-fu films.
The way I have heard people insult Camille, you would think she killed their firstborn. Most of the feminist sites I have come across make me enter a deep depression of why even bother if that's how men view us or I am an evil person because I write smut instead of using my writing skills to the great cause of feminism. (And some straight smut to boot) Camille is the only one that I have read that said Be yourself. Don't let this nonsense drive you into the ground. I mean for a while, I believed a lot of the women around me weren't strong even though they were. After I got over the religion bug, I had to deal with the feminist one.
I agree. If you look at the vast number of classic literature you would find "Mary Sues/Gary Stus" everywhere. At least according to the modern definition. And while I have come across some good PWPs for the most part I agree with your definition of what a Mary Sue is. And Seth is as far from this as he can get.
I think she was just trying to start up drama. I can understand why some people are skeptic about an OC around Dante. I have read too many fanfictions not to understand. But she evidently lacks reading comprehension to be able to say what she said. On a side note, for someone who hasn't been to a club before you write about them very well. They don't have that cliched everyone in them is super hot vibe that is so familiar from Hollywood films. I salute you. And strong reactions are always then none at all.
Walter:
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I'm the horror cheese buff, lol. I salute any horror film with dreadfully awful acting, techno-upbeat music track, p0rn-like sex scenes, and funny lines that were never meant to be funny. If the monsters aren't CG, then it's automatically on my fave list.
Definitely, Red Eye had Wes Craven's stench all over it. It's a shame. I loved his Nightmare on Elm St series (not the sequel sequels, mind you. I thought he did good in Scream too (note: the first). At the start of Red Eye, I had hope for him. But then, everything went down hill after the middle of the movie. And wtf was up with that horrible soundtrack? That music was soooo 90's.
It's great having Camille around, telling women to be ourselves. She also doesn't require all women to run some crusade. Let's face it, women too have our issues and Camille knows that. She doesn't see the world as b&w like hardcore feminists do. That's why feminists can't stand her. They'll say men are the problem while she'll roll her eyes and write an article on tasteful smut.
I find that the most powerful women are usually the ones we see everyday. You won't see them holding large posters, shouting biased nonsense. They're the ones who encourage you to empower your mind and be yourself.
Yeah, I really think they need to upgrade the Mary Sue definition. I looked at the one on Wikipedia and saw how easy that definition was to be applied to every OC in the planet. 
Thanks! 
Seth:
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Oh, I love those too! And frankly cg monsters are highly overrated. Have you seen Aliens vs. Predators? That was the best cheese to come out in a while. Red Eye was very disappointing but I had The Cell to keep me warm. It is such an amazing movie. The music was very 90's I'm glad I wasn't the only one with that running through my head.
Amen to that. I think a lot of hardcore feminists are scaring away strong women for that very reason. My favorite Camille essay was on how to change the academic system. Even now in the twenty first century, a lot of academics are still stuck on Deconstructionism. That and they turn their noses up when you want to write on pop culture. That is so true. My mom always wanted me to go out and read everything. She told me to defend myself and don't blame others for stupid mistakes. Yet Feminism would have you think that is not the mark of a strong woman. That it's a woman that sits around weeping stewing in her own despair, blaming others rather than standing up and moving on. Screw that.
I have seen people write established characters as Mary Sues so the all OCs in fanfiction are Mary Sues crowd has no room to talk. The Mary Sue definition does need to be changed. I took the litmus test for Chris and had to stop because some of the questions were silly. Like does your female character have to prove that she is better than men in her field of work? I was like doesn't everyone have to prove they are better than the competition in any field of work? So I don't put much stock in it. As long as the characters are believable and the story is well written, then it shouldn't matter.
I loved ICE. It kind of reminds me of a club I saw in a documentary on the clubbing culture. Except the color scheme was all blue. And no, you are not tedious. You just think things through which is a good thing for an author.
Walter:
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Yeah, AvP is cheesy. It's not the best cheese, but it's good enough to eat. I saw Avp2 and I thought it was pretty good cheese. Even Seth liked it, him being the eighties freak.
I totally agree, pop culture is a big no-no to talk. I should know. I did a 60+ page academic paper on Anakin's masculinity issues. Not many took it seriously. It's happening again in my art class. I decided my artwork would be on sci-fi and actually have a series featuring Seth, whose both man and woman. You can imagine how many brows I raised on that. While everyone was talking about painting flowers and self-protraits in oils and collage, I was talking about doing DIGITAL work featuring a BI-GENDER character in a SCI-FI setting.
Wow, they actually asked that? Well, damn, I guess all characters can't be empowered, lest they be accussed of being a Mary Sue. >_> Seriously, there's a fine line between an empowered character and one who tries to steal the show.
I'm glad you loved ICE. Maybe one of these days Seth will take Walter there. They can dance on the cage, Seth wearing his purple suit while Walter dons his Gothic attire.
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