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It's been a long time since I did one of these
Fell free to express your thoughts on "praying".
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And logical. You see the human brain is quite the thing. It holds the strongest memories before it goes into hibernation. So, if your brain considered your bedtime pray to be something significant (by fear of God), you should have nightmares
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That's true. Nightmares about graveyards, tombs inside churches, the devil, coffins, and so on.
Man, how I hate these things. Catholic Church is nothing but a club of necrophiliac. That's why I'm out, forever.
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I don't know how I feel about this piece. I AM NEUTRAL AS CANADA.
What I like?
As a friend of Atheists, I find this to be wonderfully humorous, opinionated, and just a great piece for opening conversation--of course, there are going to be people who just go beyond a healthy conversation and try to get their god to strike you down, but this is normal, no? I personally find praying to be...awkward. It's not that I don't think the God and Goddess aren't listening to me, but I do feel like it's a one-sided conversation. It doesn't make me feel comforted--it makes me feel like I am saying the wrong thing or just talking to myself. Again, I have NOTHING against praying, especially because it does bring people comfort and make them feel like it connects them to their god, but for me I'd rather praise my Lord and Lady by dancing around a bonfire naked
What I don't like--
The idea that praying and talking to a deity makes you crazy. Actually, believe it or not, A LOT of therapists believe religion or spirituality is very healthy (unless of course you are self-loathing because of your cruel god), and in fact take your spiritual beliefs into consideration. Your beliefs play a big role in your life and who you are, and therapists often don't want to rule it out. I have NEVER met a therapist or a psychology major who has thought people who pray to, believe in, etc. a god (or more than one) are crazy.
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Simply praying to a god doesn't really denote insanity, it is gnosticism that can lead to delusions of grandeur and sometimes even schitzophrenia.
Also, the reason therapists don't deign praying as insanity is because it's a cultural norm. If no one prayed, then there would be reason to be suspect about praying.
The some of requirements for a mental condition include (but do not need to be all at once):
Sufficient eccentricity
Danger to self
danger to others
socially deficient
emotionally damaged
If a person praying was praying for their god to smite people, and was doing this regularly, this is when I'd be suspect. (I'd also be suspect of anyone claiming to be having visions of god or some other supreme deity regularly)
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i may be christian, but when i opened this i had my self a good laugh lol
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i laughed too, because i know there are so many people who don't even talk to the families they know on earth, it's no surprise they don't talk to their creator.
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- Yayz, 40 year old men and underage Christians who don't know what the hell they're talking about are offended. Don't even respond to these re-res, ok? You make a picture that was meant to be a JOKE. Screw these guys if they don't like it. Don't stoop to their level just to tell em' off.
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your icon looks like a glass ball piggybacking a gumball in a sugar coated land of sweetness awesome x3
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i wasnt insulting you or anything i like it
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hehe
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To all religious people: GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!! You can dish out criticism but can't take it? How much of a bitch are you?! Atheists and agnostics are being the most tactful about their views. We're hated and shunned for not swallowing the same imaginary dick you do? Considering what religion has done to the human race for millenia, you fuckers aren't even getting a slap on the wrist.
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how about everyone go fuck themselves and we can all have a good time and be equal again?
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Assuming there is a god, I seriously doubt he would want Christians to deny other people's free will and ignore what they have to say.
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Why do so many people feel threatened by religion?
If you don't want to be apart of it, you should have no say in it.
This is offensive to some people.
Please be a little more considerate when you decide to hit such a heavy topic because you might just start something that you can't handle.
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That's funny. Threatened? I don't think so, If I felt threatened and scared by religion I would never do something like that. Also, what do you mean part of it? I'm not trying to be a part of anything, this thing was a funny teaser that did its job, amazingly well I might add.
Offensive? I can live with being offensive, but looks like some people can't live with people having different opinions from them.
I'll be as considerate as some people are, coming in my deviation comments, trying to bully me with their opinions.
It's not me that is scared of what people think, it's you people that can't handle a joke. too bad.
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Not you in particular.
And when I say part, I mean say.
It may be funny to you but might I include that some people's feelings can get hurt in this.
It's like if someone mentioned that demotivational posters aren't art.
A lot of people's feelings would get hurt. Right? And that's not my opinion being made there. I'm trying to make a point.
And don't include me in this 'you people'. I'm only sticking up for those who take their faith seriously.
And some may be bullying you. I'll give you that but you should have expected as much when you decided to put something like this up.
It's your own fault.
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ultimately sunsink christianity has always had its fair share of mockers, nay sayers and people who just plain don't believe a word the Bible says. from simple jokes like the one Sc1r0n placed here to the elaborate idea that is atheism all together ( which in my opinion takes more faith to believe in than the existance of God).
As a true christian you should count the negativity from other groups as a great honor. From our stand point, remember, when all is said and done and Jesus returns we won't be feeling offended by things like this picture, but will be shedding tears of sadness over all of those that do not place their trust in Him, including those here that have such hatred towards us.
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Well said and I couldn't agree more
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To put an end to this joke of a discussion, you absolutely CHOSE to come here, view this deviation and chat around with all the people in here. Nobody lured you in. I don't have any problem with people not undestanding what I do, but being offended by something like this, acting like a heckler, you should know what's coming.
A sheep walked in the lions den and it did not expect to be eaten.
and a famous quote " Why so SERIOUS?"
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You're missing my point completely.
But that's okay, you're taking everything I am saying and making it seem like I'm here to judge you and mock you.
I was only warning you.
Religion is such a strong topic and I just don't think it's something to joke around with. (my main point, you see?)
It's just as comical as rape or abuse.
That's my thoughts as you wanted.
But since you think that this conversation is such an enormous joke to you, I'll stop "giving you trouble" as you say.
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This is... rude, to put it simply.
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No it's not. Maybe you can call it agressive, but not rude.
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Religious people will bitch about anything they can. Cause we can joke about race, wars, death, sexism, but religion? Oh, no, no! That's too personal! I love their hypocrisy, how on a talk show a man can say that he was abducted by aliens and everyone will start laughing, but if he says that god or jebus appeared to him then everyone gets all serious and understanding. What a crack a shit.
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So what exactly in your life caused you to have such hatred towards religion Super? a bad church experience? an abusive person in your life that put on a fake persona every sunday?
What you're missing is the fact that God is the one who is perfect, not the "religious people". we are suppose to follow God and what the Bible teaches, but we are also given a freewill to choose what we will do with this life. And to make matters worse we have a sin nature hardwired into us that is constantly trying to do wrong, and will eventually kill us.
I'm sorry for your bad experiences with religious people, and I will pray that you are able to have the issue you struggle with settled.
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I hate religion and faith in the imaginary for it's effects upon the human race: a titanic shitstorm. The only way I'd ever set foot inside a church was if someone would drag my dead body inside one.
The bible teaches a lot of nonsense, not to mention it forgets a few things like slavery or the oppression of women and other crap. The world would be a shithole if religion would have it's way. Morality doesn't come from religion or an imaginary friend, it comes from common sense, the realization that we must somehow find a way to coexist as a species in order to survive.
Sin hardwired into us? I'm sorry but I can't be nice about this. What are you on, crack? Our parents, other people in our community and surroundings determine the kind of person we grow up into. Our experiences from a small child to a young adult determine that. Not something goat herders living in desert tents 3.000 years ago pulled out of their collective asses.
Please don't pray for me. Not that anything would change either way, I mean c'mon, counting blades of grass is more productive than that.
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Once again I'm sorry that you have such a bitterness towards religion, its sad to see someone so full of hate.
I'm going to point one thing out for the other readers: when you see me speak of religion I'm not speaking of all religions, just the christian faith based solely on the Bible and its teachings.
I would love to see a list of your ideas of "nonsense" that the Bible teaches. I don't recall slavery being condoned by God, but merely being a practice of the time period in that region of the world ( human flaw, not God). Within the Bible you do find many cases of women being mistreated, but you also find God giving them places of honor and respect. so once again, a human flaw.
Your right, morality doesn't come from religion or an imaginary friend, but an all knowing God who, as the Bible put it, " fearfully and wonderfully" made us in His image, which is not just implicating physical features, but also the human being as a whole ( senses, emotions, etc.), so your common sense stems from that.
"Sin hardwired into us" is based off the decision that adam and eve made back in the garden of eden, thus receiving the sin into the "human DNA" if you will. Outside influences will assist in the direction of your life. Parents will try to raise you a certain way, friends will encourage you to make right/wrong decisions but ultimately it is our own conscious decision to do right or wrong. your right, it had nothing to do with goat herders 
Your too late about the prayer thing, I already have and intend to continue to, in the hopes that someday down the road you may see the truth, that there is a God, He does love you, He did send His son to die for you to give you a home in heaven when you die. the decision is yours ( and anyone else who reads this post), you can either accept His gift of eternal life or reject it, your choice. and, when your life here is ended, you'll know for sure which side of the arguement was right.
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Funny thing is, if we haven't discovered DNA yet then you'd say that sin has been hardwired into something else. This is what I hate about indoctrination, people always finding some made up answer to fill in what they think they know about the world.
If you'd been born 2.000 years ago in northern Europe you'd be praying to Thor and Odin and Freyr, if you'd been born 4.000 years ago in Egypt then you'd been praying to Ra, Isis, Anubis, etc. Every religion thinks it's the one true religion. Even if I'm saved in one, I'd be going to hell in a dozen others. Man, starting from today I'm going to thank my mom every day for not baptizing me after birth and showering my with encyclopedias and science books as a kid.
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If we had not discovered DNA I would have used the exact Bible verse that details that you were "born into sin", using DNA as a descriptive I thought would help you better understand the concept. Indoctrination goes both ways, whether it be religion or anti-religion, But during my time as a christian ( my personal branch of religion is Independant Fundamental Baptist because they seem to follow the Bible the closest [and we don't baptize babies, but thats for a different discussion]) I've watched "indoctrinated" from all walks, including atheists, "convert" to christianity. So I'm sure that there were many 2,000 years ago in europe and even 4,000 years ago in Egypt that believed in the one true God.
You know what I hate ( since you got to say what you hated
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After seeing all of this debating, I find it amusing that the user that seems most opposed to religion in general has a scriptural quote as a signature.
Just saying lol
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Clearly you don't know much about the expansion of the Universe (something that has been observed and proven a fact, if you take into account the speed, expansion rate and the age of some very old stars) and cosmic microwave background radiation, look up the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, read a bit about that. I'm not an astronomer or a cosmologist, and that is why I educate myself about the Universe and what scientists have discovered, I don't take science at face value, I follow up on everything I learn about. Besides, science and atheism is as much a religion as being bald is a hair color.
And as for the evolution of life on Earth, come on now, it's easy as cake. Let me give you a small example. How do you think water molecules are formed? Hydrogen and oxygen atoms simply collide with one another by chance and form a stable bond and two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom later, voila, you have your water molecule. Now pedal back to the evolution of life and apply the same thing. For a second to jump back to astronomy, when a star goes nova, it releases 4 of the most basic elements into the Universe, helium, nitrogen, oxygen and carbon and some other heavier elements. Take gold for example, it is only formed when novas occur. Now, nitrogen and carbon are the building block of DNA and therefore, life. If you think about it, life could not exist on Earth without death, the death of stars. So let's go back about 3 billion years here on Earth, the seas are filled with all kinds of elements, some collide and nothing happens, while others do and form bonds, turn into molecules, some molecules collide with other molecules and those turn into more complex structures, DNA happened by a stroke of dumb luck. And if that doesn't even put a small dent on your hard head then think about the countless skeletons we've discovered and proven to be our ancestors through DNA mapping and carbon dating. If you don't believe me, go visit your local University, they will sit you down and explain it to you, like a 6 year old, then they will show you fossils older than god's 6.000 year old little Universe. They will show you samples under an electron microscope and if you're still not convinced then I will spend the rest of my life building you a time machine so you can go back to the Dark Ages, it's like Disneyland for christians.
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the amount of time it would take me to type out all the information to refute the claims you have made in these two paragraphs would take me way too long, so I will sum up by allowing a much more studied man in the feild of creation vs evolution answer them for me, and that is a man named Kent Hovind. I read up on your WMAP, so I ask you listen to and read up on DR. Kent Hovind's studies.
Like I said earlier, you have way more faith than I do. I believe my God to be fact, Who's existance was never really questioned until more rescent times, while your Professors still refer to their studies as being a theory. If the initial theory is in fact a fact, than the information brought back by the WMAP is a fact. but if it is nothing more than a theory ( which I believe it to be ) than the info the WMAP brought back is worthless.
Also, do some research on the deterioration rate of the sun, let me know what you think was going on even a million years ago hear on earth....
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"dr." kent hovind is a fraud, he got his degree from a non accredited baptist college, now I don't know what that tells you, but that clearly tells me that the man has no idea what he's talking about, he's just pulling it out of his hind end, I've listened to some of his lectures on youtube, and those of ken ham, and let me tell ya, the cheese fell of their crackers a looong time ago.
just because you believe something, that doesn't mean it's true, of course it wasn't questioned, because people when indoctrinated are like sheep, they don't think, they don't question, they just obey, like mindless zombies. my dear friend, of course you do realize that gravity is also a theory, but if I let go of something, won't you know it, it will fall straight down, because of the theory of gravity, because of the theory of gravity earth has a magnetic field that protects us from lethal cosmic radiation, because of the theory of gravity we go around our main sequence yellow star, the theory of gravity keeps the entire frikkin galaxy intact.
you can read about it all you want here [link]
sure have, our sun is aproximately 4.57 billion years old which was proven by using radiometric dating, it will enter it's red giant phase in about another 5 billion years and after that it will spend another 4 billion years shrinking into a white dwarf
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I personally believe he has done quite well in his studies, not a fraud. but thats an arguement of opinions. I actually attended an "un accredited" college as well, who chose to be non accredited because they didn't want the government to dictate what they taught which includes evolution. The college I attended ( Hyles Anderson College ) had a great science department who's teacher, Dr. Pete Cowling, was a professor at ( I believe ) tennessee state. but your right, accreditation is everything....
Your right, just because you believe something doesn't mean its true. Of course, the door swings both ways on that statement... and once again to reiterate an earlier statement indoctrination happens on both sides of the tracks, but I think we are both far from mindless zombies. I'm sure we have both done very well in extensive studies on the subject matter of the beginning of existence, but like most indoctrinated people we do more studying of the side that we believe just to further solidify our initially trained belief so as not to be swayed by the other side.
Now I don't know about you, but me personally I was raised in a Baptist preachers home ( the youngest of 5 boys ), and at the age of 18 I decided I wanted to know why I believed what I believed and whether or not there was truth to my belief system. I did studies on not just evolution, but also buddhism, taoism, hindu, catholicism, the muslim faith and a few others. After about two years of studying other faiths and beliefs I still came to the conclussion that it took a wise creator to put together so many elaborate things in this world, and that the Bible had the most realistic story with more proven facts in it than any other religion or belief system. Noah's ark on mount ararat: found. Crossing of the Red sea: land bridge found and parts of chariots found on it. Bible reference to the earths curve proving that God knew the earth was round long before science realized He was right. Bible reference to there being paths in the sea long before it was proven.
There appears to be quite a few flaws with the radiometric dating process, and I'll leave that to the readers to find out for themselves, but the one thing that appears to be most agreed on with that theory is the deterioration rate of the sun, which is presumed to be about 0.2 second of arc (150 kilometers or 93 miles) per century or approximately 30 centimeters (less than one foot) per hour though some would argue its an even greater rate than that. if this is the case, than how would it be possible for the earth to exist billions of years ago?
I think we've given both sides a fair amount of arguements to assist in their own search for the truth and I must admit I have enjoyed having my own personal studies challanged, thats how we learn. and a big thanks to Sc1r0n for his controversal photo! It's good to invoke thought, and what better way to do that then stir the pot?
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And that's why he is in prison.
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LOL! actually he's in prison because of tax evasion.It's sad, but even inteligent people make some stupid mistakes. but that's part of being human, none of us are perfect.
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cept kent isn't smart.
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He believes the earth to be 6000 years old, that humans walked with dinosaurs, that there was a water canopy above the atmosphere, that evolution didn't happen and that there was a global flood.
All the evidence that we have discovered thus far show that these things are pretty much untrue.
The only thing he is smart at is separating religious folks from their money, and really that doesn't require too much brain power.
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and most christians will tell you they agree with all of the above stated, the evidence of which is factual. Even without using the Bible as a basis, there are many scientific discoveries that would suggest that all of those things did happen. If a mind is closed to any possibility of any thing to be potentially true, than it is a closed mind. I opened my mind to the possibilities of evolution being true and did an extensive personal study, not to disprove but rather prove that it was true, and I couldn't. there are way too many inaccuracies in things such as carbon dating and too many disagreements from top scientists for me to have any faith in their studies.
Just as a note, I've noticed a theme of denotation and derogatory statements in regards to the religious side of the arguement. I know that potentially that attitude can and in some cases will come from both sides, but lets see if we can come up with our arguements without the whole "F" the other side or "people who believe this are stupid" statements and show that we are true men of intellect.
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"and most christians will tell you they agree with all of the above stated, the evidence of which is factual."
Ad Populum. Just cause the majority believes it to be true doesn't mean that it is.
"Even without using the Bible as a basis, there are many scientific discoveries that would suggest that all of those things did happen."
Starting with the bible as a foundation is a foundation bias.
Science doesn't start from a foundational bias.
"If a mind is closed to any possibility of any thing to be potentially true, than it is a closed mind."
Being able to accept new ideas is the mark of an open mind. If the evidence goes against something, accepting that it could be wrong isn't the mark of a closed mind.
"I opened my mind to the possibilities of evolution being true and did an extensive personal study, not to disprove but rather prove that it was true, and I couldn't."
Good for you.
"there are way too many inaccuracies in things such as carbon dating"
The problem is that carbon dating isn't the only dating method, we understand what the limits of carbon dating are and further more, even if carbon 14 dating was proven wrong tomorrow, that doesn't prove creationism right.
"and too many disagreements from top scientists for me to have any faith in their studies."
Faith isn't a requirement for science. It's science.
Next, whiles there are disagreements about the hows of Evolution, there isn't a disagreement about one main issue.
The Evidence Shows that it Did Indeed Happen.
"Just as a note, I've noticed a theme of denotation and derogatory statements in regards to the religious side of the arguement."
You're just noticing this? We're not trying hard enough then.
"I know that potentially that attitude can and in some cases will come from both sides, but lets see if we can come up with our arguements without the whole "F" the other side or "people who believe this are stupid" statements and show that we are true men of intellect.""
Oh noes someone said fuck. What ever shall we do?
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Graceful comebacks, loved them.
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Despite all the rage, they are still just a rat in a cage.
Thank you Sc1r0n.
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You're welcome.
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Time to cover up our fears and pretend we're being forgiven by an imaginary guy in the sky!
You'd think that this kind of thing would've kinda dropped as soon as we got into space travel.
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I know this hasn't been up for very long, but I see the discussion has gone from a comical jab at a religious practice to an "I'm right you're wrong" banter. I'm not sure if thats what the original author of the picture had intended, but if he did he succeeded.
I do however have to disagree with him, there are things in my life , situations and surcumstances that can be nothing but God acting in my life. I do pray on a regular basis and it is anything but one sided. maybe to the rest of the world I am a schizophrenic, but I can assure you the conversations I have with God usually bring me to a point of making a right decision, even though me personally I would have chosen a different path. I am a better person because of God and I have no regrets in putting my faith and trust in Him, not only in His existance, but in His ability to do what He said he would do.
the greatest statement I ever heard in an arguement/discussion between a creationist and an atheist ( and to me quite the commical statement," lets both die real quick and find out who's right?"
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