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CIS: Perhaps the largest droid army ever assembled, the army of the CIS outnumbered the clone soldiers of the Republic 100 to 1. The CIS put fear in the hearts of countless citizens of the Republic, as few could stand before it for long before being mowed down by blaster fire.The UNSC: The United Nations Space Command is a military government with an army of elite marines and legendary Spartans who have defended the human race from invasions of both the Covenant and the Flood.
Now these two forces shall go to war. Can the UNSC stop the relentless march of the droids? Can the CIS sweep aside the defenders of humanity? Only one side can prevail, and they'll both do anything to win. Soon we'll find out who is...
THE DEADLIEST WARRIOR!
*(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)
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Cortana can hack into Covenant systems all the time. The UNSC was still losing until the Sangheili joined them.
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I have full confidence in my battle droid brethren. These organic fools will know what it means to fight a real war! I predict the war will only last a year or so.
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I understand your confidance but the spartans are more dangerous than the Jedi themselves...they can predict attacks have super strength to where they could lift a tank with one arm and their armor is made out of MLNOR...AKA thors hammer lol
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Ignore Vader999. He apparently only exists to try and defend his Star Wars religion. You could smash his argument into pieces and he'll continue to rant about how Star Wars will always win
So, how are you today? :3
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Lmao thank you and great ^.^ hbu
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Alright. A little miffed to be remembered that Star Wars zealots exist. -w-
If you have decided to still talk with him, try telling him to not use the NON-canon Star Wars E.U., that is, if he is using it.
Also another tip, ask him to bring up actual moments from the canon that prove his weapon power levels claims. Numbers are something Star Wars zealots love to throw around, but they never back them up with canon.
I've done this song and dance a thousand times before. Would you like to talk to me about this conflict? I don't bite. Much.
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Lmao you seem chill we can talk in general ^w^ lol
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What would you like to talk about? XD
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Hmmm.... I guess, something Star Wars VS HALO related?
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A single Battle Droid with a sniper rifle can kill Spartans with ease, just as Jackal Snipers can easily send Master Chief back to the last checkpoint with ease.
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You...You do realize they have it that master chief dies from that for difficulty right...He has survived falling from space, gigantic armies attacking him at the same time, enemy spartans, and forunners (who are literally gods) :/ so your point is invalid, spartans are the same way
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Except Spartans in-canon have died from less. Heck, one Spartan in Halo Legends died from a Needler. Another died from a hammer to the face. Spartans survive large armies by dodging, finding cover, and picking them off one at a time, and Master Chief only defeated the Didact because Cortana bound him and the Librarian gave Chief Composer immunity.
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false, 
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Yeah, no.
Bungie stated that the canonical difficulty for the Halo games is Heroic. And in heroic, the Spartans aren't super-fast, they can only take a few sniper shots from Jackal snipers before going down, and aren't all that invulnerable to small-arms fire-it doesn't take much to down their shields and kill them. And no, they're not at the level where they can massacre 1000 droids easily.
So no, this is a battle the CIS will win. It doesn't matter if each Spartan takes down 100 droids or 100,000. Those casualties would be easily replaced in a matter of months. But for each Spartan killed, the UNSC gains a permanent loss. Not to mention that the CIS navy is far superior to the UNSC fleet.
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NO OH MY GOD the difficulty on heroic is legit but that doesn't mean it gives you all their actual powers for the game, it would be too damn easy
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No, as in Heroic is the canonical setting for the games in terms of Spartan strength and durability.
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no watch deathbattles conception of master chief
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Deathbattles is shit. They're either retardedly wrong, or right for the wrong reasons.
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Are you kidding me...they use nothing but facts my friend knows the creators and he said they really do a lot of research with all nighters.
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Don't make me fucking laugh. Even when they come up with a decision that I would agree with, the "research" they bring is nothing short of parody. I've already eviscerated them on many fronts, showing how their research is trash.
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then tell me a few yu disagree with and why?
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Darth Vader vs. Dr. Doom:
Where do I begin?
First off, Vader has raw power in the Force backing him up, even in his weakened state. Doom knows a lot of spells, but Vader has more in terms of raw power. It's like pitting a martial arts master against the Hulk or the Thing. Doom might know more spells, but Vader can brush them all aside, making him invulnerable to any of Doom's attacks. So no, he can choke the shit out of Doom and pierce through his defenses based on power alone. He's the Star Wars equivalent of the Dragonborn from Skyrim. Doom was a man who learned how to use magic, while Vader was born with power and was oozing with it since birth-hence the martial artist vs. Hulk comparison. Vader would be like the Hulk in terms of powers, while Doom would be like the martial arts master who knows many techniques. But for all his techniques, he wont be able to land a hit on the spiritual monster that is Vader. In the Rebels show, his mere presence ON THE PLANET causes people who have an affinity to the Force to get shivers down their spine. The only version of Anakin that would be vulnerable to magic would be the Padawan version, maybe the Jedi Knight version. After he starts to drench himself in the Dark Side, he cuts through magic and sorcery as if they were nothing.
Vader could have been a technological genius, if he didn't live in a future that made technological genius moot. Doom in the Marvel Earth seems godlike with his technical knowledge, but in the SW universe, he'd be lucky if he is seen as an above-average genius. Dimensional travel and time travel are the only things lacking in SW, and that's more because of narrative preferences.
As for Doom's armor repelling a Lightsaber, really? Thanos and Silver Surfer are quite inconsistent with power levels. One minute, they're like the SSJ of the Marvelverse, the next, they get swept aside like chumps. Can Doom's armor repel 64,000 GW of particle energy? 300 million GW of particle energy? 200 gigatons of particle energy? That's how much energy star fighter lasers, light ship cannons, and heavy turbo lasers generate respectively. SW ship armor can withstand one shot from all of them, yet the same ship armor can be penetrated by lightsabers the same way a knife penetrates through a cake. THEY'VE BEEN UPGRADING LIGHTSABERS FOR A THOUSAND GENERATIONS. Get the picture? So unless Doom's armor is laced with cortosis or phirk, it's going to get sliced when Vader decides to slice through it. So no, Doom's armor is gonna get chopped up.
In the new Star Wars Rebels show, Ashoka Tano merely touched Vader's mind, and she got mind-raped because of it. Vader reached out to Luke, but in a non-harmful way. Willpower alone won't save Doom, because touching Vader's mind induces mind-rape on the individual. That's just how powerful Vader is compared to the regular Jedi-and Ashoka was no regular Jedi because she was an effective battle commander at an age where most Jedi are barely combat-ready. So unless Vader just wants to send a simple message like he did with Luke, Doom's in for some mind-rape. Hope he doesn't drop the soap.
Ah, electricity. The universal way to take out Vader, right? Wrong. Vader, like Yoda and Kenobi, can deflect lightning with his Lightsaber or his Force powers. He got short-circuited by the Emperor's lightning because he was weak and his armor was penetrated, and he could've lived had he told Luke not to remove his mask. He ordered Luke to do it because he wanted to die looking at his son's face with his real eyes. Starkiller's clone pumped him full of lightning, and he still lived, even after his armor got penetrated as well. An electrical attack alone can't do the job.
Also, Doom leading Latveria has no impact on this fight. Latveria is the size of a landing zone for the Imperials. Vader's city-sized star destroyer can level it in a matter of minutes. As Palpatine's servant, Vader has several fortress worlds at his disposal, like Bastion. In some continuities, Doom inherits Latveria, so it is of no accomplishment to him. In other cases, he finds Latveria as a peasant shithole, and he uses his economic smarts to lift it out of poverty. Being a good economist doesn't equal to being a good strategist in a duel or a war. Adam Smith is no dueling expert, nor is he a war expert. Vader being a tactical genius is the only thing that would matter in this debate.
Also, if Doom gets the dumb idea to call in Doombots, then Vader just needs to call in stormtroopers with anti-droid rifles. Stormtroopers have no problem killing mooks, and even Jawas have rifles that can disable robots with one shot. And Vader can sense life through the Force anyways, so Doom can't hide behind robot lackeys. The main reason he does hide behind them is because of how easily he can be killed, and Vader's a nigh-invulnerable killing machine. So even by the standards of the characters, Doom is fucked.
So, pretty much, everything Doom has as an advantage is gone. Vader wins. Without question. He will sweep aside Doom's magic with the Force, he will brush aside Doom's defenses with the Force and use it to hurt Doom, and his Lightsaber will indeed cut through Doom like a cake. And his joke of a country can be leveled by Vader's city-sized battleship in less than a few minutes. It could be done in less than a minute, even. So no, Vader wins. Doom is some magician from some backwater world that doesn't even own it's own solar system. Vader's one of the most feared sorcerers in the entire galaxy he's living in. Second only to Emperor Palpatine himself.
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A group of spartans couldnt hold out forever. Not to mention that there arent very many spartans to begin with. Battle droids would eventually overwhelm them. Or they could just send in a commando droid team and be done with it. Organics are susceptible to fear and droids are not. A planet with one team of spartans supported by marines would be overwhelmed within days.
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Actually Spartans do not feel fear...They don't have to eat drink and they never run out of stamina...soooo i could not agree with that you do make a point that the droids have much more troops but this squad of spartans have defied odds off an incredulous scale...
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They are human. They do need to eat, drink, and sleep to survive and they also run out of stamina but at a lower rate. A squad of spartans cant beat 8 quintillion droids. The UNSC wouldnt last after their precious SPARTANS are killed.
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That is not true....The UNSC regular soldiers yes but Spartans don't need to eat drink sleep or run out of energy don't believe me? look it up spartans were given all the minerals and injections to make them perfectly fit for combat
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Hmm. That appears to be true.
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Thank you, droids are the same way with that but spartans can lift a tank with one hand
I also know that General Grievous is innocent and the jedi are assholes xD
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People seem to forget the UNSC is absolutely tiny compared to the CIS. The UNSC fought in a small part of the galaxy. The CIS Shook the whole thing up.
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If the 501st was struggling against Droids on many battles, then the Droids are going to utterly butcher UNSC. By the end of the war, the UNSC didn't even have a fleet. We see the CIS regularly suffer loses, and yet have more troops and ships to throw into battle. I say any advantage the Spartans give them will be negated by Grievous and his Magna Guards, or the Mandalorian Protectors, if we're including them in the struggle.
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Grievous and his Magna Guards beating Spartans? ....No... Simply no.
I'm a HALO fan and an EX Grievous/CIS fan. Why EX? Because Grievous was turned from a badass that can brutally kill a platoon of Jedi without breaking a sweat into a pathetic joke that can be beaten by Gungans. ....Let that sink in... Jar Jar can defeat General Grievous. And the droids were also turned into useless idiots. =.=
If we are counting the terrible 3D cartoon Star Wars then the UNSC wins... NOW, if we are ignoring that bastard child and are focusing on books and the 2D cartoon then I'm not sure. But the dark side would be strong with the CIS.
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No, we will never count that bastard creation! Never, ever think I would count the 3-d clone wars. EVER. That's why I used Mandalorian Protectors, and not Dead Watch.
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Whoa. ....You hate that show as well? o.o
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God do I. I hate it more then the Nostalgia critic hates the bat credit card! They raped the Mandalorians, they raped Grievous, they raped the whole canon worse then Matt Ward. F*ck it hell I say! I'm glad someone shares my sentiment.
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Nice to know that me and my brothers aren't the only ones.
But what really stabs at me is that it is considered part of the MAIN cannon.
Oh gosh the Mandalorians... Just, why? ...Oh wait I forgot, they needed something new to make toys of. >|c
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They are the worst story rapists since Matt Ward.
1d4chan.org/wiki/Matthew_Ward
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I would say the UNSC. Simply because of their well-practiced tactics and strategies, and their hard-core survivalist mindset. The regularly engage in guerrilla and asymmetrical warfare when presented with a seeming superior enemy. Most of their weapons wouldn't be too effective against CIS infantry and vehicles. However, the UNSC are well practiced at taking on numerically and technologically superior forces. The standard UNSC marines armor is already designed to protect against energy weapons (which the blaster definitely is). Combine this with a liberal use of heavy ordnance and "clean" handheld nuclear bombs. The UNSC has a definite advantage in any long term warfare scenario. Combine this with Spartan-II,S-III, and ODST's. The UNSC would be able to largely control the battlefield.
The CIS armies use mass unit strategies and large numbers to make up for low quality infantry. Individually they are weak, inaccurate, and unintelligent. Aside from basic infantry formation, the battle droids show little to zero tactical thinking, or programming. Only in extremely large numbers do they present a threat. They would be incapable of matching highly trained marines, much less Spartans.
And If the UNSC ever decides to field a "smart" A.I. The battle Is over, with little to no casualties for the UNSC.
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2 words: General Grievous.
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Energy Shields could be configured to cut power the the lightsabers and cortina would realise soon enough that some cortosis would break them.
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Oh really? Your forgetting the fact that Grievous killed people with only his feet, and crushed bodies and skulls with them. He put both Durge and Ventress in the hospital as a test, and fought through an entire clone battalion on his own. And how can they be configured? Give me sources where it's shown that Energy shields cut power from Lightsabers.
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There are none. Only droidekas even have shields. The Halo verse shields are far more versatile than any in Star Wars and i have no doubt they have some way for a super intelligent A.I. Like cortana to configure them to drain power from energy, especially considering that a Lightsaber is one power cell looped infinitely to create the blade, all it would need to do would be stop the energy going back to the power cell.
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starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandal… - This bad boy counters energy shields and tears right through them. And since Mandalorian Protectors/Death Watch are part of the CIS, there bound to have them. Also, considering Plasma is the greatest enemy of ES, and the CIS use almost all Plasma-related weapons, I think they will make short work with simply massed fire power alone. Considering Projectile weapons are called primitive in SW canon, I doubt the UNSC's Assault Rifles would work well, and they'd have to rely on looting droid weapons.
Also, you seem to be pulling facts out of your ass here. How do you know Halo AI's are superior to Star Wars? Considering the UNSC is still fairly young, and the CIS is using far more advanced technology, it seems unlikely Halo AI's could counter them. They only worked well against the Covenant because the covenant are using second-hand tech. The CIS, however, are churning everything out from scratch and stuff that's tried and proven for thousands of years. Also, how do you know Cortana could do this? Why didn't she just program his shields to do that against an Energy Sword, which is basically the same thing as a lightsaber, but with shorter range.
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You realise that the AI's in Star Wars are primitive right? The droids only have very basic intelligence and the smartest you get is something like C-3PO. The halo AIs are stored on a tiny little crystal that can project a hologram and are based on humans. Besides, primitive or otherwise an armour piercing round in the right place would ruin a droids power core and disable the entire thing meaning that any half-decent shot from a marine could take out a droid in one hit. Remember that the SW universe boasters don't have things such as armour penetration and deep damage. And finally, the UNSC have nuclear weapons, they could wipe out an entire CIS base without much effort using a ship like the Forward Unto Dawn. MACs and Nukes. The CIS don't have even basic EM shielding either as proven in that clone wars episode and I have no doubt that the UNSC could easily mass produce EMP grenades. If we count the Covenant Rebels who join the UNSC then we have a group of highly trained assasains in the mix also.
The energy sword is completely different from a Lightsaber in that it has a charge, a Lightsaber doesn't run out and as mentioned is an infinite loop of one energy pulse, interrupt the pulse and the Lightsaber is just a piece of metal until you replace the power cell. The energy sword works by using a charge to generate shaped plasma to impale enemies with, this uses power every time the plasma makes contacts. Lightsabers are mostly superior but have an exploitable weakness whereas energy swords are 'just wait until he kills enough people to drain the thing.'
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Primitive? Several AIs are designed to run whole planet-wide facilities, and in one case, one was running a whole planet. IG-88 actually BECAME the Second Death Star. Yeah, you can take down a battle droid simple enough, but a Super Battle Droid? In Star Wars, Repcom, they are shown to be able to survive multiple rounds of Plasma-based armor penetrating sniper rifles, how well would a primitive projectile sniper rifle do? Alright, EMPs are defiantly dangerous, but don't forget that the CIS also have several organic warriors on their side, including Jabiimites, who helped overwhelm a clone legion, Trandoshan mercenaries, who managed to take down a republic frigate with one troop carrier landing in their hangar, and, if you want to bring in Sangheili, then go ahead. Mandalorian Protectors are far deadlier, their ancestors having fought across 1000 battlefields, on 1000 planets, against 1000 enemies. Be they large space dragons, jedi themselves, or sith, their skills and weapons defiantly outclass the Sangheili.
And let's not forget the pure size of the CIS. The UNSC has a few space colonies. The CIS has entire slabs of space answering to their government, and many more species then the Covenant. It would be like if the Soviet Union invaded the Thirteen colonies.
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