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In the age of fiction, there are many times when humanity is guarded from destruction by only an elite few. But what if they were to face each other?Imperial Guard: The Imperial Guard is the primary fighting force of the Imperium, without it, Mankind would surely perish. While not as widely praised as the Space Marines, the Guard possesses the courage and the manpower to face and annihilate the enemies of the Emperor across the galaxy whether they be ferocious Tyranids, or the demonic forces of Chaos itself.
UNSC: The United Nations Space Command is a military government with an army of elite marines and legendary Spartans who have defended the human race from invasions of both the Covenant and the Flood. No matter how unnumbered or outmatched, the forces of the UNSC have safeguarded mankind against total annihilation.
Now the defenders of mankind for two very different fictions will raise their guns once more against an all to human opponent. They have fought and bled and died across the stars for their race, but only one can reign supreme! Will the will of the Emperor guide the Guard to victory? Or will the might of the United Nations Space Command prove superior? Ready your weapons, and don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes! Now tell me, dear viewer, who shall live to fight another day! Tell me--
WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!
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Depends on how the Spartans are used. If they are able to bottleneck Imperial guard forces somehow, then the UNSC might stand a chance at winning. After all, the UNSC have faced overwhelming odds before by being both outnumbered and outgunned and still managed to win. But if you bring in the Imperial navy and Astartes chapters then the UNSC might as well get the lube ready and a lot of it.Β
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Depending on what you are using. If using the FSP Halo, then the UNSC wins because they are overall more elite. Realistically, the Guards would win because they have a bigger armory and can field more artillery and superheavy vehicles.Β
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There's more people in the Imperial Guard than there are humans in the ENTIRE Halo universe. So.....
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Imperial Guard would play 1812 overture final with the troops of the UNSC.
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ok i thought about this for a while so i think the battle would go to imperial guard they have superior weapons and trained not to retreat if they try to retreat they get shot on sight Β
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Imperial Guard. WE HAVE MORE MEN THAN YOU HAVE AMMO!
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The Imperial Guard would win, heres why:
The UNSC may have a military with possibly a billion or more personnel (The human population before the Covenant war was around 30 billion), the Imperial Guard has countless billions of Guardsmen, Kaskrins, Ogryns, and Commissars to motivate them.
The Imperial Guard have tanks the size of houses and that have 11 guns. I'll say it again, 11 guns
The UNSC have the Scorpion, which has a ridiculous tower turret that can be knocked out easily, the Cobra, which I assume MIGHT be able to penetrate Leman Russes and Chimeras, even in standard mode (When set up, it can take out a Covie Wraith in one shot, but we all know that the Wraith is an even bigger piece of shit than the Scorpion). The UNSC, however, has it's own beast on a leash: The Grizzly, which comes with two 120mm cannons that have a chance of destroying even a Baneblade. Theres also the UNSC Wolverine, which could pose a threat against Imperial aircraft... but all that would get obliterated by Titans. The UNSC may be able to down one or two, but that would be only when the god-machines have ripped half the UNSC's entire military to shreads.Β
Imperial aircraft consisted of Thunderbolts, Thunderhawks, Valkyries, Marauders, and some variations of said aircraft.
The UNSC have Hornets, Hawks, Falcons, the Albatross, and the Vulture gunship, which is capable of ripping most Imperial tanks to shreads, although the Imperials do have Hydra anti-aircraft tanks, their version of the Wolverine.Β
And as for the infantry, sure, the UNSC have ODSTs, Spartans, Force Recon, Special Warfare Command, and ONI security as special forces, and Marines are good enough in numbers, but the Imperial Guard would overwhelm them with just Guardsmen. Doesn't matter how many the UNSC kill, theres gonna be more, and as one Guardsman put it, ''If one of us falls, ten more will take his place!''
And don't even try to get me started on the space combat. Whoever designed the Imperial's ships was fucking insane . The UNSC doesn't even compare, even with the Infinity, which is about the size of an Imperial Gothic-class heavy cruiser. Not even with MACs and Super MACs would the UNSC win (Although the things pack quite a punch, they may be able to destroy some frigates and cruisers)
And there you have it, my reasons on why the UNSC would lose. And I'm always up for debate
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ya also for got that the unsc has little to no variety in its combat doctren. Literally each and every planet of the guard has its own doctren. Blitzkriege? send in the steel legion. Deep crippling strikes? send in the tannith first. (if you can pull them out of the system) long drawn out trench warfare. Kreige. Spartans. Cattacans. and or cadiaΒ
need to hold the line and the kreigers are busy dying somewhere ells. Moridan Iron guard.Β thats just a few. there are literaly Billions. diffrent regiments that fight with anything they can get there hands on.Β
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That is true. The UNSC almost seems to operate on somewhat modified early 2000s doctrines, while you have the Imperial regiments with varied doctrines that are gonna be able to keep their enemies on their toes. Although the UNSC may be able to find solutions to the trench warfare part, seeing as it has been done before in WWI. Regiments that use trench warfare are probably going to see mass casualties due to UNSC bombing...that is, if the UNSC can achieve air superiority.
Other than that, a load of UNSC defeats are going to be credited to the fact that:
One, the Guard probably having craptons more numbers
And two, the varied doctrines and strike options of the Guard, which the UNSC just cannot match with big enough numbers
The UNSC could adapt, but what is adaptability in the face of literal billions of bodies bearing down on you?
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but then the issue is that no matter how adaptive the UNSC can be it will not be able to adjust to the sheer diveristy (Ironic I know)Β
lets keep these numbers at the same. the UNSC as a whole is from the few systems that the UN has populated. but almost all of them are densely populated. So. Lets give both sides a nice large number. One. Billion. men. feilding all they got. air, land sea.Β
Im not gonna allow ship to ship combat for the sake of the fact that is the navy's job. (though imperal navy still out outguns unsc. though both would not be able to really out mover each other. as the warp and slipspace are basically the same speed for simplicity sake.though the warp is a bit more...janky )Β
lets field the unsc with about five hundred Spartans. Aircraft artillery infantry the works of the unsc. for the rest of theΒ 999999500 menΒ
Same for the imperum but of course no arstartiesΒ even odds. no reinforcements.Β
personal I think the cadians, Catacans will give the Spartans a real fight. Even with out the powerarmor they can be more cunning and skilled than Spartans to a point.
Ratling and ogyrn axillery would also be useful. ogyrn would probably end up fighting the warthogs XD while ratlings steal everything thats not bolted down. then ask the chem dogs to bring a pair of bolt cutters to help them move the stuff that was bolted down.Β
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On that note, the Leman Russ tanks have 120mm smoothbore cannons - and they'd have trouble against Baneblades, if they even COULD. Soo.. That part would be scratched out for the Grizzly.
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Hmm... true. But the Grizzly would still be a nightmare for Hellhounds, Chimeras, Sentinels, and infantry. The canisters on the Grizzlys especially, they'd rip even Space Marines asunder
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Actually, even space marines would survive it, considering that there's at least more than one case of them surviving shots from a Leman Russ.
They're ridiculous, really..
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Imperial Guard would win because there's more infantry for them to throw at the UNSC than they have in bullets.
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They don't have billions of troops, the guard has more men then they have bullets, literally.
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But the UNSC has the Reds & Blues.
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The Reds and Blues would be overwhelmed by literally millions of Guardsmen, Baneblade, Russes, and others
And thats not even counting their FUCKING TITANS!!!Β
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more like billions, and to add to this, if we're gonna count spartans, we have to count the adepts astartes who would rip spartans apart like chaff. so good luck.
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True, Space Marines would be able to rip the Spartans a new one (Centuries of experience + more augmentations than even Spartan IIs, and there were only about 300 of them, whereas there are hundreds of thousands of Astartes)
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also the armor is much tougher, and the weapons are incredibly better. (an 8 gauge shotgun shell might kill a spartan in about two hits, but it would tickle an astartes, while a bolt pistol round would tear through a spartan like tissue paper since it's about an 80 caliber round that explodes inside its target)
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Have you ever seen the Reds & Blues in action?! They're funny & awesome!
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Doesn't do jackshit against billions of Guardsmen
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Yeah, & they'll still win.
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....please explain to me how 10 or so Spartans could go toe-to-toe with a billion Guardsmen? Space Marines wouldn't stand a chance against them, not even a full chapter or even Legion
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Have you SEEN Red vs Blue by Rooster Teeth?
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I have, and Space Marines move faster, A LOT FASTER!
Just read the 40k books, you will see descriptions of Astartes moving ''Inhumanly fast''. Hell, people go mentally insane because they cannot comprehend their speed
And if Space Marines can't take down the Imperial Guard, Spartans definitely cannotΒ
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Of course you realize, I've been fucking with you this whole time, right? I couldn't help myself. April Fools!
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April fools was on the first. It is now the 26th
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Not in my house. The whole month is April Fools here!
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Guess what? We're on dA, not in your house!
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JK. LOL. Don't care! April Fools!
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Every party needs a pooper, that's why they invited you. Partypooperrrr. Partypooperrrr.
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Guard suerior numbers superior tech mutant soldiers many tanks.
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And then, from behind that lone guardsmen, hundred of titans sprang out. The unsc fell with one word upon their lips:
"CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!"
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CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!
That has messed up so many games for me, titans just springing out of existence from reserves behind my line.
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CREEEED WHERE......SERIOUSLY Β WHERE THAT ********Β
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hum Β i think the UNSC win, because spartans are very very good soldier and the UNSC had A.I. Strategie of UNSC are better but Imperium had the number
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The UNSC doesn't have entire regiments comprised of tanks the size of city blocks though.
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Guard. I wont be surprised even when the UNSC soldiers is outnumbered by a thousand to one
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The Imperial Guard numbers in the tens of trillions where the UNSC's military would probably number in a couple million. Their sheer numbers simply overwhelm the UNSC.
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I think I would more like to see Star Wars Republic Commandos vs The UNSC.
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I'm going to say that this could go either way, with the Guard pulling a narrow win due to their armor and artillery. nothing very decisive, and with only a company or so left, two on the outside.
on the other hand, all it would take is a little luck and a good commander for the UNSC to win this one. they still wouldn't get anything decisive, and they would have maybe a couple of platoons left, a company on the outside.
the only real reason that the Imperium would have more soldiers left is due to conversion of UNSC troops that decide that yes, they would rather worship and fight for the Emperor than continue to fight for the UNSC.
this is all based on the assumption of roughly equal numbers, something like 11:10 in the UNSC's favor, without any reinforcements, weapons of mass destruction, titans, Tactical Genius bullshit from Creed, the insane luck of the Chief, etc.
the freedom of UNSC forces allows for their tactical doctrine to be far more flexible, at the cost of them having access to more onformation about their enemy, including things like religion, hence why conversion is taken into account. that same tactical flexibility allows them to fight enemies with far greater numbers and technology.
the Imperium, meanwhile, has less tactical flexibility and individual creativity, en exchange for better discipline, tenacity and better propaganda being spread among both sides.
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Okay equal numbers?
Guard have the tech advantage, better armour and a lasgun which is frequently depicted as blowing limbs off, and alot of thier tech is simple for them to use. Tech is a huge combat multipler and the Guard has the edge.
Guard have better vehicles, alot better, the leman russ engine can run off anything, simplying logistics, not taking into account superior materials used in armouring thier afvs.
The guard being tactically inflexible is a myth, each regiment is geared towards a certain aspect of combat, whether that be armoured warfare, scouting, arty, e.t.c, a guard combat force is made up of different regiments being brought together, with each regiment been used to its strengths, only the most idiotic commanders (which thier alot of yes, but that goes with thier much larger populations, they are bound to get a few neidermeyers, or more ruthless bastards willing to sacrifice a few million men, to save billions), would throw light infantry into the heaviest fighting without support. Average Lord Generals would come up with the strategy and assign the reigments best suited to the job, so need to hold a line you deploy the armour and heavy infantry, with some arty support, then use your light infantry to perform harassment attacks or to scout behind enemy lines while they are distracted. Most IG commanders in the lore are like this (still willing to sacrifce millions of lives though in futile attacks, if needed), with the neidermeyers typically being reviled in story...
And remember to IoM there is not such things a indecisive battle, you either win or die, a victory is a victory, especially when its easy to replace loses
Logistics has to go to the UNSC, the Adeptus Munitorium are terrible to the degree that a vast bureaucracy can only be.
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every regiment being specialized can be a weakness when you can't bring in reinforcements.
while yes, the higher ranks of the Guard are just as capable of coming up with a good plan as the generals of the UNSC, it's the lower ranks, the company and platoon commanders that are more inflexible, due to having less training mostly.
and as for the battle being indecisive, this is on the scale of a campaign. it's one battle of many. on the scale of the entire planet, no victory is indecisive.
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