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CIS: Perhaps the largest droid army ever assembled, the army of the CIS outnumbered the clone soldiers of the Republic 100 to 1. The CIS put fear in the hearts of countless citizens of the Republic, as few could stand before it for long before being mowed down by blaster fire.The UNSC: The United Nations Space Command is a military government with an army of elite marines and legendary Spartans who have defended the human race from invasions of both the Covenant and the Flood.
Now these two forces shall go to war. Can the UNSC stop the relentless march of the droids? Can the CIS sweep aside the defenders of humanity? Only one side can prevail, and they'll both do anything to win. Soon we'll find out who is...
THE DEADLIEST WARRIOR!
*(Because I know this will pop up if I say nothing: No space battles. Planet-side only.)
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Has every one forgotten that the UNSC has A.Is
All they would have to do is hack into the droids and make them start shooting each other and that would make the battle a hell of a lot easier on the unsc
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Or worse turn the droids against the seps
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UNSC forces would win, Β The tactics that the UNSC use are better than all the tactics Both The republic and the CIS use combined. the tactical advantage goes to The UNSC. As for weapons? The droid poppers that the Republic use... The UNSC created bombs that do just that. EMP bombs would disable most of the droid communications and military might, If you can call it that. The UNSC AI are capable of formulating multiple case scenarios whereas the Highest Droid Commander is more than a glorified computer program. The droids would be nothing but scrap before they could even fire on the UNSC lines. Marines have a higher distance when it comes to firepower. The droids literally have to get next to them before firing, which is a tacticians worst nightmare, And the Argument that General Grievous would be a match for any spartan heh, Maybe in hand to hand but he will most likely be taken out by a high velocity caliber round. The droids army would be in shambles, unable to coordinate an attack. most if not all would be taken out by the combination of artillery, snipers, and the EMP bomb. any stragglers would be captured and reprogrammed as worker droids.
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Did you know that the factories on Geonosis alone can produce 8,000,000,000,000,000,000 (thats eight quintillion.) Droids a month? The UNSC is outnumbered and outgunned. They will be wiped out in a matter of months.
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Since Droids sucks and the UNSC has Spartans that are way better than any clone I might have to go with them.
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The might of the CIS dwarfs the UNSC. The UNSC's chance of winning are 9 nonillion to 1.
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The CIS would win, no contest. Not only do they have droids, but they haveΒ General Grievous. He seems like an even match for a Spartan, if not greater. Plus, they have heavily armed tanks (There tanks are more diverse than the UNSC) heavily armored Super Battle Droids, heavily shielded droidekas, and let's not forget Grievous.
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Grievous, that 4 armed hunk of scrap metal? Master chief, or any other spartan would turn his metallic ass to slag in minutes!!! I mean, remember what he did to the Prophet of Regret?
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Grievous has broken bones with his feet, taken down clone battalions by himself, and he is quite quick when he needs to be. He was also a great warrior before he became a clunky droid-like thing, the one weakness I think most people already know is his arrogance, which is one of the main reasons he loses most of the time. Spartans would probably win, but Grievous would put up one hell of a fight.
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Explosives? The Bane of all Jedi? xD... and most other things as well.Β
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I'd put my money on the CIS if this was a straight up shoot out. The CIS has so many droids they wouldn't need to shoot, they'd just swamp the UNSC.
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Spartans. Any questions?
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Not SPARTANS. Smart A.I.s. You see Cortana wouldn't have any trouble making the dumb droids her slaves. <=\
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Yes: What about Spartans? They alone are going to secure victory? How & Why?
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What if every second Spartan had a grenade launcher of the UNSC army? The grenade launcher also have a second EMP fire mode such as the plasma gun.
While the CIS units would be "shocked", the other Spartans could destroy the robot with weapons such as the spartan laser.
Why should fighting Spartans alone on the ground? The reason is that the Spartans have a tactical Vorrteil by energy shields and also better skills.
The Marines could give cover from the air and the OAST's could be used as sniper.
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Blasters are measured in the megajoule range, I doubt a spartan would last more than two or three shots from droid blasters especcially when Spartans can easily be killed by 7.62x51mm ammunition.
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"Blasters are measured in the megajoule range" um... proof?
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m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8hwysZβ¦
All the answers you need.
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Um... the firepower demonstrations aren't factual. They prove nothing. They only say "blasters can blow XX meters of material apart" and that would be impressive if the blaster bolts didn't explode. Even water, when frozen, can tear rock in two. Specific calc for their firepower, please.
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For one thing, it takes a certain amount of energy to perform those feats. Even if you discounted the feats involving rock or concrete, there is still Leia's blaster vaporising a half inch thick metal grate. Star wars weapons are far more powerful than anything the UNSC has.
And when we get to vehicle weapons, we find that their weapons are measured in the gigajoule and terajoule range. (Source, AOTC:ICS)
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Not a lot, though. Rock or concrete can be pushed apart with comparatively little energy, again water does this whenever it freezes. Even the feat with Leia's blaster is only meh because, well, one the grating isn't actually vaporized. Its much more likely the grating was just blown aside, and UNSC weapons can do that too.
Proof, again. Excerpts from the source, please.
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m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukl0tEeZβ¦
This proves it's a lot harder than it looks. Unless you can provide evidence that small arms fire is capable of similar feats then that clearly shows the superiority that star wars has in smallarms firepower.
Also with Leia's blaster, you can clearly see the metal turning red then white hot, that looks like vaporisation to me. I'd like to see a hypothesis and evidence before I believe anything else.
As for vehicle firepower, the Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross Sections book has a number of republic vehicles with firepower figures measured in the hundreds of gigajoules.
If that's not enough, there are AT-AT calculations that put it's firepower into the kiloton range.
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That video is comparing things which aren't comparable. Blaster bolts explode, AP rounds don't. You're basically comparing apples to oranges and saying "because apples don't have citric acid in them, oranges are better," and that isn't how comparason works. Here [ youtu.be/CLFYvG6MsZU?t=4m45s ] that is what 50 cal. explosive rounds can do... and guess what? That's about as impressive as what the blasters did, if you pause it right away, you'll notice the guy is actually standing on a pile of ruble which used to be reinforce concrete. But, ok, what does these mean for Halo and the UNSC's small arms? Well... a lot. The Magnum fires... care to guess? Aw, the suspense is killing me! The Magnum fires 50 caliber semi-armor piercing high explosive rounds.
Because something exploding wouldn't make metal hot... that makes sense. You have to prove that its being vaporized, you can't just say it is, you know that, right? It looks like its being blown away, all evidence would say its being blown away, so prove that its being vaporized.
So give me one. Give me one vehicle and one number and one other source that I can check.
Um, yeah, you're definitely going to have to prove that one too. According to the VS battle wiki, an AT-AT is large building level with a durability level of "large building"... you know Master Chief? His own destructive capablities are "Large building" with purely physical attacks and his durability? City block+. So... according to that wiki... the UNSC has a better weapon than the CIS's best weapon.
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Now you're using the fallacy of false equivalents. You're trying to compare the effects of sustained automatic fire on three, four foot walls, to a few shots. And you also lied when you said the FPS Russia guy used HE ammunition (the only explosives he used were in the actual targets) when he also said he was using AP incendiary rounds.
Not to mention that the ammunition used in the magnum is 12.7 x 40mm ammunition, a far smaller round than the BMG rounds used in both of our videos.
Back to the metal grate.
www.galacticempirewars.com/higβ¦
Here is a clear analysis of the shots on the metal grate. Plus you can see when frozen frame by frame the metal bars heating and sagging from intense heat. Even if you only calculate to the grate's melting point, it still puts blaster firepower in the megajoule range.
The page 23 ATOC:ICS puts the LAAT/i gunship's anti personnel turrets at 5 x 10^9 joules per shot (the same for the AT-TE's laser cannons on page 28), the beam turrets are rated at 3 x 10^11 joules per shot. I confess I had exaggerated the fire power, but not by a lot. It's still far and above anything I've seen from UNSC weapons.
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Are you trying to get me on the thing you were doing? Hahaha. That's... ironic? Anyway. You can see where the rounds hit and can tell where multiple rounds hit. The only explosives he used where in the targets? Where did he say that? Oh, you're talking about when he said "by the way that was explosive Kool-aid, right? Yeah, I don't care about that part, it wasn't the part I was showing you.Β Watch the video again, at 2:54, he blows up a tree with 1 shot (he shoots it 3 times but the first two went straight through it.) No where did he say AP, but even if he did that would only help my case, AP Incendiary rounds can do that, the Magnum fires semi-AP and high explosive rounds.
Sigh. No, it isn't. A 12 mm caliber is a .50 cal round.
Oh, good job, you proved it. Too bad that puts it below Covenant plasma though. And the UNSC dealt with the Covenant, who were even better shots than your average Storm Trooper. Firepower isn't all that matters here.
So, no other site confirms this? Oh well, that doesn't matter really. That calc, again, puts it below the Covenant... who the UNSC (again) fought against.
I like how you just dropped the AT-AT thing. Has to suck finding out the best ground weapon the CIS has is less than a Spartan, I bet.
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The 12.7 mm rounds from the magnum are not even half the length of a full sized 12.7 mm BMG round. You do realise there is a difference between between rifle and pistol rounds?
As for the tree, it'd have to be rigged with explosives. The evidence being that only the third shot showed any sign of exploding. I love the FPS Russia guy as much as the next man, but he's more of a showman than a practical demonstrator. Show me evidence of a .50 calibre rifle doing anything close to what single shots from a blaster can do.
Also I'd like to see evidence that covenant weapons are anywhere close to the firepower of star wars blasters, if anything they seem no more deadly than UNSC weapons.
Considering that contemporary personnel armour in star wars is considered highly resistant to projectile weapons (and that coilguns are considered backwater weapons) I don't see primitive slug throwers doing much of anything to a droid except maybe with sustained weapons fire.
And on the Spartan, you've shown me no evidence that master chief is capable of these feats, or that level of resilience (especially when most other Spartans prove vulnerable to such weapons). Unlike you, I could actually show you an AAT toppling a building.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=4NfcVcdtβ¦
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Because... length means something. A 12 mm caliber pistol round is a .50 caliber round. It just... is
That tree. The reinforced concrete block. These are both ample examples, moreso the tree for what a single shot can do. If the tree was rigged, why wouldn't it have exploded with the first to rounds? Its a good example of what an incendiary (non-AP) round can do, now make that explode and that is what the Magnum rounds are capable of.
They're stronger. In Star Wars, having a blaster bolt fly by you will result in... nothing. No one is hurt, just a wasted shot that does fuck-all to the enemy. A near-miss from a Covenant Plasma weapon? Causes 3rd-degree burns and thats assuming there are layers upon layers of protection covering the fleshy bits. In the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx, we have a Spartan-III in SPI armor, carrying one of the Jackal's energy shield, and his own personal energy shield, almost got hit by a Banshee's blast, and still got a 2nd-degree burn on his hands and forearms.
Well, that's a good thing the UNSC tend to favor sustained fire, huh?
Moving the goal posts. You said you could show me an AT-AT calcs in the kilotons, now an AAT toppling a building? Nice... Also, as one of the people in the comments said "you really can't bring this to the table in a Vs. argument unless you can tell me what that tower is made up of, how the AAT laser works, and how it takes the tower down."
You want me to show you that Master Chief is capable of tanking a Cit-Block busting attack? Need I mention that he fell from low-orbit? Do you have any kind of idea what kind of energy is created on that impact? Low-end estimates are several hundred thousand joules at least. For Striking strength, a Spartan, whether Master Chief or no, killed 2 hunts with his bare hands. A hunter can definitely survive a large building falling ontop of it. Therefore...
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"Because... length means something. A 12 mm caliber pistol round is a .50 caliber round. It just... is"
So you're telling me this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Ac⦠and this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BM⦠are exactly the same? The 12.7 x 40mm mm round from magnum seems a lot more like the former (the dimensions are close to identical).
"That tree. The reinforced concrete block. These are both ample examples, moreso the tree for what a single shot can do. If the tree was rigged, why wouldn't it have exploded with the first to rounds? Its a good example of what an incendiary (non-AP) round can do, now make that explode and that is what the Magnum rounds are capable of.Β "
All I see is two rounds hit the tree dead in the middle and do little more than splinter some of the wood, and then the third round hitting and exploding in an over the top firey manner. So what theory makes more sense? Two rounds failed to 'explode' like the third or that the third was the only round that detonated the explosives?
"They're stronger. In Star Wars, having a blaster bolt fly by you will result in... nothing. No one is hurt, just a wasted shot that does fuck-all to the enemy. A near-miss from a Covenant Plasma weapon? Causes 3rd-degree burns and thats assuming there are layers upon layers of protection covering the fleshy bits. In the beginning ofΒ Ghosts of Onyx, we have a Spartan-III in SPI armor, carrying one of the Jackal's energy shield, and his own personal energy shield, almost got hit by a Banshee's blast, and still got a 2nd-degree burn on his hands and forearms."
For someone demanding on about evidence, you're still not providing me with a lot. Just because plasma weapons leak heat and radiation as they travel doesn't make them more energetic. As far as I can see, they are no better at penetrating Spartan armour or shields than UNSC slug throwers.
"Well, that's a good thing the UNSC tend to favor sustained fire, huh?"
So basically you're going to need multiples of your guys to kill one droid, whereas one shot from a droid's blaster is going to put your guy down permanently. That kind of attrition doesn't favour the UNSC at all.
"Moving the goal posts. You said you could show me an AT-AT calcs in the kilotons, now an AAT toppling a building? Nice... Also, as one of the people in the comments said "you really can't bring this to the table in a Vs. argument unless you can tell me what that tower is made up of, how the AAT laser works, and how it takes the tower down.""
bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopiβ¦
Sorry, keeping up with your fallacies is becoming a full time job.
"You want me to show you that Master Chief is capable of tanking a Cit-Block busting attack? Need I mention that he fell from low-orbit? Do you have any kind of idea what kind of energy is created on that impact? Low-end estimates are several hundred thousand joules at least. For Striking strength, a Spartan, whether Master Chief or no, killed 2 hunts with his bare hands. A hunter can definitely survive a large building falling ontop of it. Therefore..."
And yet, this is the same guy who wears Spartan armour that can be taken out by a few shots of a 14.5 mm sniper rifle. A five gigajoule anti personnel laser cannon should turn him into a scorch mark.
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Exactly the same? No. Of the same caliber? Yes.
<< So what theory makes more sense? Two rounds failed to 'explode' like the third or that the third was the only round that detonated the explosives? >>
That is what is known as a false dichotomy. There is a third, and far more likely then either of those, option. The two shots before it passed through it before exploding well the third shot didn't go through and blew up in the middle of the tree. Look at the plums of smoke on the back of the tree: The first shot, two plums, an entry and exit; second shot, two plums again; the third shot and entry plum and then explosion. Yeah, I'm definitely circling option C on this one.
<< For someone demanding on about evidence, you're still not providing me with a lot. Just because plasma weapons leak heat and radiation as they travel doesn't make them more energetic. As far as I can see, they are no better at penetrating Spartan armour or shields than UNSC slug throwers. >>
Suddenly, directed energy weapons are no longer scaled by how much energy they have when flying. Weird. The fact that they can leak so much heat and energy and still explode says they are, in fact, more energetic. They are better against shields than armor when compared to UNSC weapons... because UNSC weapons piercing things where as plasma melts it.
<< So basically you're going to need multiples of your guys to kill one droid, whereas one shot from a droid's blaster is going to put your guy down permanently. That kind of attrition doesn't favour the UNSC at all. >>
You have yet to prove blaster bolts would kill a solder. Would you like the plethora of examples where blaster bolts didn't kill someone? Because... those exit. So, it takes a few guys, maybe 2 per droid, to take out a droid, and it takes multiple droids to take out a marine. We are factoring in here how lousy of a shot every droid ever is, right? They might as well be firing muskets.
<< Sorry, keeping up with your fallacies is becoming a full time job. >>
Says the one who commited the fallacy, lol. That calc isn't useful. Way to many guesses. He's guessing how big the generator is by guessing how long the walker took to get in frame and then uses that guess to guess how big the fireball would be to give maybe a good guess of how strong the attack power is. That, and, his numbers are horribly flawed. The Little Boy nuke, which had a yield of only 14 kt, produced a fireball which peaked out at about 3 km.. but each bolt fired from the AT-AT is 16 kt at least (According to flawed calc) and produced a fireball with much smaller (guessed) fireball? Nope, that don't make any amount of sense. And then, a 3km fireball ensues... and this jumps the kilotons from 16 to 130... need I remind you the 14 kt Little Boy produced a 3 km fireball?
<< And yet, this is the same guy who wears Spartan armour that can be taken out by a few shots of a 14.5 mm sniper rifle. A five gigajoule anti personnel laser cannon should turn him into a scorch mark. >>
It would... I mean, not that they'd be able to hit him or any Spartan for that matter.
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"Exactly the same? No. Of the same caliber? Yes."
The difference being, nearly one tenth of the muzzle energy.
"That is what is known as a false dichotomy. There is a third, and far more likely then either of those, option. The two shots before it passed through it before exploding well the third shot didn't go through and blew up in the middle of the tree. Look at the plums of smoke on the back of the tree: The first shot, two plums, an entry and exit; second shot, two plums again; the third shot and entry plum and then explosion. Yeah, I'm definitely circling option C on this one."
I've watched it over and over, all of the other rounds I see at most smoking as the Incendiaries try to ignite things. The only shot that explodes in that spectacular fashion are the rounds that explode the Koolaid and the tree. Between my demonstration and your demonstration, I think I know which is easier to believe.
"Suddenly, directed energy weapons are no longer scaled by how much energy they have when flying. Weird. The fact that they can leak so much heat and energy and still explode says they are, in fact, more energetic. They are better against shields than armor when compared to UNSC weapons... because UNSC weapons piercing things where as plasma melts it."
I scale weapons by their effects on measurable material, evidence that covenant plasma weapons are in the megajoule range or GTFO
"You have yet to prove blaster bolts would kill a solder. Would you like the plethora of examples where blaster bolts didn't kill someone? Because... those exit. So, it takes a few guys, maybe 2 per droid, to take out a droid, and it takes multiple droids to take out a marine. We are factoring in here how lousy of a shot every droid ever is, right? They might as well be firing muskets."
I've already proven countless times that blaster bolts are CAPABLE of killing people and far more effectively than anything the UNSC has. It'd take a few guys maybe with sniper rifles and heavy machine guns to take out a droid. The only thing that the UNSC has going for it is superior training and tactics. That's not going to help them against an army that out guns them and outnumbers them likely 10 to one, and outguns them a thousand to one. The italian army might have been the most poorly led and poorly trained in the second world war, but it's going to curb stomp the fuck out of the highly trained professionals of the Prussian army during the franco prussian war.Β
"Says the one who commited the fallacy, lol. That calc isn't useful. Way to many guesses. He's guessing how big the generator is by guessing how long the walker took to get in frame and then uses that guess to guess how big the fireball would be to give maybe a good guess of how strong the attack power is. That, and, his numbers are horribly flawed. The Little Boy nuke, which had a yield of only 14 kt, produced a fireball which peaked out at about 3 km.. but each bolt fired from the AT-AT is 16 kt at least (According to flawed calc) and produced a fireball with much smaller (guessed) fireball? Nope, that don't make any amount of sense. And then, a 3km fireball ensues... and this jumps the kilotons from 16 to 130... need I remind you the 14 kt Little Boy produced a 3 km fireball?"
Try again, Wikied little boy and the fireball on hiroshima was only 370m wide.Β en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Bβ¦
"It would... I mean, not that they'd be able to hit him or any Spartan for that matter."
Don't need to hit him directly, get a Droid Gunship to saturate his general area with missiles.
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There is actually another way to get the strength of Covenant plasma. Plasma pistols casually melt titanium-A battle plating. Assuming titanium-A battle plating is equal to our standard titanium (because it's an unquantifiable metal), its melting point would be 1,668 C. Thus, a regular, uncharged plasma bolt is 3.1 megajoules... its actually double that because a regular plasma bolt penetrates the front of an ODST's battle armor, goes through the man, and then punches out the back. Based off this alone, a regular plasma bolt is equatable to roughly 6 mj, but that's not all. It can melt through this titanium, human flesh, human bone, and then more titanium. The melting point of human skin is negligible, it won't change the end calc too much. the melting point of bone? Assuming the plasma just turned to bone into ash, that happens at about 825 C, requiring 1.5 mj. It a minimum, a plasma bolt is equal to 7 megajoules. And this is a low-end feat, not accounting for the times we see things like plasma torpedoes melt the hulls of ships (hulls which, mind you, are capable of surviving atmospheric reentry without energy shields.)
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<< The difference being, nearly one tenth of the muzzle energy. >>
Actually, the UNSC Magnum has about half the muzzle velocity of a 50 cal rifle (specifically looked at the PGM Hecate II), but I get what you mean. My only question is this: So? We aren't comparing the penetrative abilities of these rounds, strictly just the explosive power, and for that the muzzle energy of the round doesn't really come into play in any meaningful way. I'd also like to point out that I've never claimed them to be equal in this regard, either.
<< I've watched it over and over, all of the other rounds I see at most smoking as the Incendiaries try to ignite things. The only shot that explodes in that spectacular fashion are the rounds that explode the Koolaid and the tree. Between my demonstration and your demonstration, I think I know which is easier to believe. >>
Because... the blocks of concrete... somehow got messed up... maybe it was the tracer rounds, right? Haha. Between our demonstrations, yours shows that blaster bolts are better than AP rounds, which small firearms that the UNSC aren't. Yours compares apples to oranges and says oranges are better because their nature is different than the apples. That doesn't fly at all.
<< I scale weapons by their effects on measurable material, evidence that covenant plasma weapons are in the megajoule range or GTFO >>
Suddenly causing 2nd- and 3rd-degree burns through multiple layers isn't measurable evidence. Haha. Alright, enough with the sarcasm. According to the Halo Nation wiki, the plasma pistol has a "regular" shot equal to 45 kilowatts, 45 KW can be converted into 45000 joules/second, contact with this plasma for anything more than 3 seconds is in the megajoule range. Want the "overcharged shot? Fuck it, I'll give it to you. The "overcharged" shot is equal to 450 KW, or 450000 joules/second.
<< I've already proven countless times that blaster bolts are CAPABLE of killing people and far more effectively than anything the UNSC has. >>
Capable? Debatable. More effective? Debatable. Does it matter if a droid can't hit a Marine 10 feet in front of him? Not at all, and, unfortunately, that is the boat you are in. Even if I agree the Blaster could kill a whole platoon of people by itself (which I'm not), it does not matter if the droid behind the blaster can't hit the platoon.
<< It'd take a few guys maybe with sniper rifles and heavy machine guns to take out a droid. >>
Again, debatable if not outright wrong. This all matters on one crucial aspect you have to show me; what are the droids made of? What are the upper and lower limits of that material? Tensile strength? If you can't inform me with any of that vital information, then the droids bodies are unquantifiable and get turned into something that is quantifiable.
<< The only thing that the UNSC has going for it is superior training and tactics. That's not going to help them against an army that out guns them and outnumbers them likely 10 to one, and outguns them a thousand to one. >>
People always discredit training, why? Between the droids shit aim, the marines being better trained, ODST and Spartans, the UNSC has this in the bag, kid.
<< Try again, Wikied little boy and the fireball on hiroshima was only 370m wide. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_B⦠>>
*clears throat* "The Hiroshima firestorm was roughly 3.2 kilometres (2.0Β mi) in diameter, corresponding closely to the severe blast damage zone." Because, ya know, big fires tend to create firestorms... which is counted in with the fireball. Your calc is useless.
<< Don't need to hit him directly, get a Droid Gunship to saturate his general area with missiles. >>
Suddenly the UNSC don't have anything to spot missiles saturating a Spartan's location.
Suddenly the CIS knows where any Spartan is at any given time.
Suddenly the Spartan can't run out of the area that is targeted when he starts to see missiles flying in his general direction.
Come on, it doesn't take a genius to see why that fails, does it?
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Keep in mind, the UNSC has the Vulture Gunship, seen in Halo Wars, and the gunship is incredibly lethal w/ MG cannons and missiles.
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Droids also have gunships, and considering their weapons are in the high Gigajoule range (and with armour to deal with such weapons) I doubt the Vulture could do much.
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By the way, curbstomp for the CIC simply because they outnumbered the UNSC 1 million to 1.Β
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To put this in perspective of this scenario. Imagine the combined force's of the United states, all of Europe, Russia, China, Canada, hell the rest the words armed forces combined and invade Somalia at the Somalia at the same time, but that was not the combined military, more like less then 1% was used. Thats how heavily outnumbered and out manned the UNSC is. A force less then 2 thousand ships, 5 thousand at most and maybe 2 billion military personal vs trillions of droids and hundreds of thousands to maybe millions of ships. The CIC drowns the UNSC in blood, no way for the UNSC to win, unless they have forerunner hax.
If this is just a single battle, like replaced the clones from the second movie with the UNSC. Then the UNSC still loses because they will lose orbital superiority. Other than that, any smart and competent commander seaing a slow moving army with terrible aim marching towards you will be smart enough to tranche them selfs in and set up machine gunners and inflict heavy casualties on the enemy. WWI. Sadly the UNSC is not that competent and would probably rush the enemy like they did in reach, Β they would also run out of ammo way before they put a dent in the enemies numbers. Β
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An, as we all know, more numbers automatically mean a win! Wait a tick, that's not right.
All the UNSC's weapons would be effective against the Droids (at least, I haven't read anything to suggest they would be ineffective), since Blasters are somewhat similar to plasma, the UNSC would already be equipped to handle the problem, I don't think the same could be said about the CIS who would no doubt be expecting return blaster/plasma fire.
One thing you seem to be constantly forgetting is that the UNSC has a trump card in the form of SPARTAN-IIs and (maybe to a lesser extent) SPARTAN-IIIs as well as Smart AIs like Cortana and countless others that can hack into the Driod operating system.
Add shields and (if we consider this a Reach-type scenario) MAC guns, the UNSC win.
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You know this is basically what happened when the covenant attacked them, right?
This battle would be easy for the UNSC, considering all they need is a bunch of powerful Emps.
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You do know that the reason why they rushed at reach was if they waited those spires would come online and would much harder to destroy. And on a side note, those spires are both sield generators and teleporters, so Covenant could bring massive armies down there if UNSC left them alone.
So tell me, if you were commander of this mission and you knew what those spires were, would you entrench yourself or would you rush it and destroy them before they come online?
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I'd bum rush the spires.
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Yeah, I'd rather take out the enemy's way of getting reinforcements, than let them have 'em
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The results would probably depend on whether this is right after the UNSCvsCovenant War or if the UNSC and the Covenant Separatists had time to recover.Β
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Spartans give UNSC the win
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don't forget the droids have hellfire tanks and destroyer droids, droids would win
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Spartans for Da Win!!!!!
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Lol, everyone saying the Droids would win just off numbers XD Do you all forget the UNSC went against the Covenant, who had the largest army in the universe?
The UNSC would win, especially if any Spartans are involved.
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