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Description Two of the greatest heroes in the video game world, will now settle the score and decide once and for all who is superior.

Commander Shepard: Member of the Systems Alliance Navy, and captain of the Normandy, Shepard is the hero of the Mass Effect trilogy, who fought against the overwhelming Reapers for the safety of mankind.

Master Chief: A member of the SPARTAN programed to create a new breed of Super Soldiers, Master Chief is the hero of the HALO franchise, who has gone against the evils of The Flood and the Covenant and come out the last man standing.

Now these two heroes must turn their guns on each other. All the experience, all the fighting, and all the choices they've made have brought them here. In a one on one battle to the death, the question you must ask yourself is....

WHO! IS! DEADLIEST!

(Disclaimer: Just to be clear, these two combatants were created / are owned by people far more creative / wealthier then me. I have made this, not for profit, but in the hopes of encouraging spirited discussion among fans. Please support the combatants official series. Thank you, that is all).
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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to ??? [2014-07-13 06:33:30 +0000 UTC]

1: There are multiple technologies more advanced. Antiproton Thrusters, Biogel, Holographic Systems, Microfabrication Sytems. Just to name a few, again.

2: Its easy to comprehend, but that doesnt make it the whole cake, its just a small part of it, what you are forgetting is how that energy is transfered. That youre youre still trying to defend a simplified view on physics on the other hand, i cant comprehend that, either your just stupid or never actually learned physics, or both.

3: Again your simple view physics, on bullet vs me shield, its moving mass vs mass effect field. on biotics, is mass effect field vs mass effect field. thats 2 completely different scenarios. Since it doesnt exist, we dont know how those scenarios play, we can only make thesises.

4: The codex give you some idea of how small they are, based on that i made a mathematical figure how fast a 1mm sphere of steel would have to be to spot the same power as a 45 magnum from today. Thats not illogical, thats a logical thesis backed up by mathematical calculations, way beyond your "but its this!" babble youve been repeating for ages now.

5: You cant dodge them, as i already said, its a visual particle effect. If you take particle effects for given, then enjoy subsonic bullets in pretty much every Halo gun, or pretty much every game, making them even les powerfull.

And with that, i end this story, simply because i give up on you, you are unable or unwilling to even comprehend basic physics, and hold onto your simplified view even thou a 7th grade physics book, pretty much every book about firearms or even googling would proof you wrong. That makes you a completly retard in my honest opinion. So have a nice day, and for the sake of humanity, stay away from any kind of important job involving physics, not that you would have a chance to get one with that kind of knowledge and attitude.

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rakaru In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2014-07-13 08:22:30 +0000 UTC]

I like how you bash my attitude (whatever that means since I've had none of the ad hominem arguments that you've spewed out) whilst calling me a moron. Ha.

The recoil IS the force of the bullet going backward, there are other forces in it as well, bit all that adds to the force of the bullet. Its not a hard concept to grasp and every website I've visited has said the exact same thing, you should try looking it up for once. On top of all that, the codex flat out states that whatever energy the bullet is hitting with is going backwards as well, you deny this and try to work around it but the codex FLAT OUT SAYS IT.

You, yourself, has already admitted you can dodge the bullets in game, it doesn't matter how fast the particle effect is moving, if Shepard can dodge the damage of any particular firearm then John can, that's just a fact.

All biotics have barriers, when Samara mets her daughter on Omega she throws her around but she can't do the same to a Prime? Stop trying to dance around the blatantly obvious.

There is only 1 piece of evidence I need to prove that John can dodge anything Shepard has and that is:
Shepard can fucking dodge it.

You are a moron, plain and simple.

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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to rakaru [2014-07-13 09:14:41 +0000 UTC]

Ive been trained in Pistols, ARs and GPMGs, served 4 years, i propably know more about guns alone from first hand experience than you. Secondly, ive made my Master at a University of Applied Science, even thou physics was only one of my secondary classes, i studied a lot more than you would ever see in primary school.
And i already said like 3 times, the that codex is right about that, but what you fail to understand is the difference between the energy transfer of bullet impact and the energy transfer of recoil, they have the same force (on chemical guns the recoil has even more force, what you also fail to understand), but the energy is transfered in a different manner as the objects the exchanging the energy have different properties. Otherwise a regular 7,62mm wound break your shoulder when firing, and a fucking .50 cal would rip your whole arm off. So do you really think that you would be able to confince me to adapt to your basic understanding of physics and guns? really? good luck with that.

"Shepards is never able to dodge bullets, even in the slow motion. especially in the slow motion, you can see that impact particle effects start before the bullet particle effect reaches you. yeah thats Hitscan, what you see as dodging bullets is just the particle effect simulating a bullet"

Read that again, and tell me that you still think i would have admitted you could dodge bullets in ME XD

You dont know if the barrier was active at that point, you dont know if your beloved prime example is to heavy or has some kind of build in countermeasure, thats an unknown.

Shepard cant dodge Mass Accelerator damage in gameplay, hitscan.


Thanks for showing even more how much of an idiot you are.

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rakaru In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2014-07-16 17:34:17 +0000 UTC]

Please tell me when o said the energy was transferred in the same way, all I was saying is that a pistol will have the same kick as a pistol today if its hitting with the same force. The codex backs this up.

Dude, you can dodge the bullets. I don't understand why you are fighting this so much. Go play any mass effect game with the soldier class and you can dodge all damage coming at you (while using adrenalin rush), it doesn't matter if what is being dodged when you analyze it, in game Shepard with his maybe slightly better-tham-average reflexes can dodge a Mass Accelerated projectile. I honestly doesn't matter how you try to explain this away, its just a fact.

That's what I'm saying! THE Prime might be too heavy, and who has the exact same build as a Prime and is probably just as heavy? Oh yeah, John-117. What countermeasure could a Prime have that wouldn't also give it biotic abilities?

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farcide In reply to ??? [2013-06-26 03:29:44 +0000 UTC]

And it would have worked to..... If chief hadn't already snuck up behind him with active cameflage and impaled him with a energy sword.

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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to farcide [2013-06-26 04:34:10 +0000 UTC]

Sneaking in a heavy powerarmor... yeah, right. i always wondered if enemies in halo are deaft.
On sneaking i would give Shepard the edge, lighter armor, and should it be the "Infiltrator Shepard" then well, Active Clocking.

And the energy sword, blades made out of plasma contained in magnetic fields. Plasma reacts to gravimetric and magnetic force, means: a kinetic barrier can disrupt it.

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farcide In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2013-08-10 04:27:55 +0000 UTC]

Dude Spartans were trained for stealth. They do it in the books to. You answered your own question, chief wears powered armor so the weight of the armor is not a issue. Also promethean vision and cortina and motion sensor render sherpard attempting to stealth useless. Speaking of cortana she could simply hack shepards suit and lower his shields, which then chief would precede on ipaling his sorry ass with a energy sword.


Also a gravity hammer would be a instant kill.

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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to farcide [2013-08-10 15:08:42 +0000 UTC]

While beeing powered takes away the issue of carring said weight, it doesnt make the whole person lighter. So you still have a 1000 lb (Funny, is it realy that fucking heavy? At least thats wats listed in the halo wiki.) person, every step means that some of this weigt is transfered to the ground, resulting in noice. A 1000 lb person CANT sneak like a 200 lb person. And dont get me startet on all that equipment, crystal/metal (what the fuck is it now?! it cant be both) stuff working as artificial muscles and a fucking fusion reactor generating heat, basicaly making a spartans armor a beacon on thermal sensors.

Promethean Vision, lets see, what does it say... "the short-range full-spectrum enhancement package enables users to detect shapes and movement through solid barriers though it is difficult to see enemies in active camoflague and holograms." Well doesnt say how it works, only that it has problems with active camoflage and, oh my god beware, even holograms...

Oh yes Cortana, the miracle AI, either that armor and neural interface have tons of spare data storage and cpus to handel an AI with that capabilities, or its a miracle that she even fits in that. But oh well, shes Halos Deus Ex Machina... And hacking that suit would requiere it to even accept any kind of data transfere, if it doesnt, no chance in hell that it would be hackable as ther wouldnt be any way to establish a connection, and making your shields and armor beeing able to recieve data transferes would be very very very stupid, as thats like inviting your enemy to temper with it.

Gravity Hammer would be Kinetic Force vs Kinetic Force, could be that i kills him, could be that it only deplets his kinetic barrier and injure him, could be that it not even deplets his kinetic barrier, we wont know unles we would have numbers on both systems kinetic force.

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farcide In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2013-08-10 20:34:05 +0000 UTC]

What I meant was because it is powered means he can more easily control how much force he exerts when he steps, and in turn how hard he steps. Master chief could also increase the shielding to his boots to further silence his footsteps.


As for promethean vision that is just the game description. Not sure why you made a big deal about holograms when sheperd doesn't have them. Promethean vision main advantage is that it outline camouflaged opponents, so none of your points on that really mean anything.


Attempting to compare the mass relays to slip space is like comparing a series of catapults to a race car. If a single mass relay or catapult is destroyed then you lose access to whole solar systems. Whereas you only need one race car (slip space drive) to get anywhere. Thus with slip space Β drives events like what happened at one of the endings of mass effect 3 (all the mass relays being destroyed) are impossible. There is simply no way to deny that slipspace drives are superior to the mass relays.


Once again in regards to cortana you lack any proper argument, so you just attack the other series credibility. Who are you to say whether it works or not. Cortana hardly needs a invitation to hack your suit(she has hacked forerunner systems before, which are way more advanced than shepards N7 armor) the person who is being hacked hardly has to allow her to make a connection.


And as for the gravity hammer considering it can one shot a spartan, which are way tougher than N7s, it would instant-kill Shepard, regardless of his kinetic barriers.


Seriously though if you can't come up with decent counter-points than don't attack Halo's credibility. Their are a lot more ridiculous things in mass effect.

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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to farcide [2013-08-10 21:47:51 +0000 UTC]

Reducing the amount of force displacement would requiere the impact movement (stepping) to be slowed down greatly, which would result in very slow movement.
Why exactly do you believe that energized particle shielding would decrease footstep noices?

Yes and i havnt found any other description. And the deal about holograms, well that description means that simple photons, aka light, interfere with it, which doesnt make it sound very sophisticated.
Since there isnt any kind of description on how it actually works, there is no way in telling if it would work on active camoflage from mass effects. Stating that it would is just your believe, not a fact.

That would be true if ships in mass effect wouldnt be capable of traveling at ftl speeds themself, but they are capable of that.
The reason for using Mass Relays is simple: Fuel and Speed.
While a ship itself can travel at FTL speeds, its slower than via a Relay and it needs to provide the energy (fuel) requiered to travel the distance itself.
Using a Relay allows the ships to travel at greater speeds than their own FTL drive would be capable of (simple law of mass and energy, the relay does have more power than the ships smaller reactor) while conserving their own fuel.

Okay basics on "AI":
An AI, Artificial Intelligence such as Cortana or EDI in Mass Effect need a place to store information and some means of processing information, in case of us Humans or other life forms on your planet, thats called a Brain, a Biological Central Processing and Storage Unit for Information. Since Cortana is so sophisticated that would mean she "is" A LOT of data and requieres A LOT of processing power to "think", im questioning that she could fit and work inside that armors systems.

Basics on "Hacking":
To hack something, the first thing you need is a way to transfere bits to that device, aka a connection. If that device doesnt have any way of transceiving bits, it cant be "hacked". If you dont believe me, please try to hack a wifiless device VIA WIFI.
Since there is no need for a bodyworn protective system like a Kinetic Barrier to be able to receive wireless transmissions, there would be no way of hacking it as there is no way of connecting to it. Placing a wireless tranceiver into such a system would be stupid, aka like an invitation to get it hacked. Do you now understand what i said?

A spartan maybe, but your forgetting the fact that an energized particle shielding (spartan) and a repulsing kinetic mass effect barrier (shepard) are two completly different types of systems.
A gravity hammer hitting a spartans shield is kinetic force vs energized static charged matter, a gravity hammer hitting a kinetic barrier is kinetic force vs kinetic force, a completly different scenario as two forces of the same nature clash instead of two forces of different nature. In case of kinetic force vs kinetic force the force with the most power would win, since we dont know which of both (gravity hammer or kinetic barrier) does have more power, there is no way of telling which would win.

Oh those are decent counter points, but i get the feeling your either just fanboying, or your knowledge of physics is not sophisticated enough to unterstand those points.

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farcide In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2013-08-11 02:27:20 +0000 UTC]

I use the word hacked because its the first description that comes to mind. Cortana can still cause malfunctions in opponents armor, like she did in the flood novel.


Moving slowly is a basic skill of stealth so you basically admitted that master chief can sneak up on Shepard.


Yes the mass relays save time and fuel but you forgot to mention that the amount of time would be in the decades.

So trying to travel without the mass relays is almost certain death. Also ftl drives and slipspace are two totally different things. The ftl drive makes the ship travel around the speed of light(pretty fast) while slipspace makes the ship pass into a different dimension(extremely fast).


Holograms don't interfere with promethean vision, it just reads and detects them. Basically looking at a hologram in promethean vision, and looking at a real person has the same effect. Β Logically if promethean vision can detect someone in active camouflage , then it can detect someone using the ME camouflage. I was never assuming, it was simply logical.


Actually the gravity hammer hits with gravitational energy as well as kinetic, and whether the shield and blow are of the same energy is irrelavent. What determines whether a shield stops or allows a attack is determined by the AMOUNT of energy transferred, not the type. Spartan shields still block physical attack the same as shepards barrier. Which means sherpard is just as vulnerable to the gravity hammer as master chief.


Finally either you ignored me or just didn't see it, but I said if you don't have any decent counter points OTHER than attacking the credibility of halo than don't bother posting them. If a event(such as MC falling from orbit or the Mac cannons) happen in a universe, then they are canon to that universe, just as people being able to shoot energy out of their hands (dragonball). Stop trying to destroy the othersides points and come up with your own. All that physics stuff maybe true if the stuff in halo were attempted in the real world, but who are you to say whether it could or couldn't in the halo universe.


"Fanboying" is not a verb. Even if it was that's not what I'm doing. If someone was say that none of the stuff in mass effect could possibly work than I would be telling them to leave your series alone too, even if they were arguing on master chief's behalf. I don't like people ripping on other series.


To prevent this from turning into a bitch fight, let's just keep it at "master chief does this, but then you do this to counter it".


Please?





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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to farcide [2013-08-11 10:21:52 +0000 UTC]

And how does she do that please? Thats just not logical.

I said very slow, much slower than usual sneaking, judged by basic weigt ratio about 1/5 of the usual "moving slow sneaking", thats like 10cm per second, very slow even for sneaking.

FTL Speeds without a Relay have been recorded to be up to 30 light-years within a 24-hour period... thats much faster than just the speed of light.
Relays are much much faster, traveling that distance in just seconds.

If it detects a hologram the same way as a real person, then its to dumb to register the difference between simple photons and a photon reflecting heat and mass pull emitting solid object, that is a very big weakness.
Nope thats not logically, as you neither know how the active camoflage systems of both universes work or how the promethen vision works, a mass effect camoflage could be entirely invisible in promethean vision, or even a bright beacon overloading that thing, you simply dont know as we dont have enough information on that.

Hitting something with gravitational force is not different then hitting it with kinetic force, the reason is simply as gravity nothing more than a kinetic pull, even if you try to crush someone with pure gravity, its not gravity killing him, its kinetic energy resulting from the atoms colliding with each other.
And it matters greatly if 2 forces of the same type hit each other or two different.
And amount of energy transferes ist nothing more than what i worte "the force with the most power would win" so at one point your saying "no" and at the same point your saying "your right", wtf seriously?

Spartan shield work complety different than mass effect shield.
A spartan shield works by creating a field of energized particles, by laws of physics that can only work by swarming the incoming projectile with those particles to stop it, it just gets hit by the incoming attack and loses some of its energy to close the resulting gab again. So it just functions as an additional layer of armor stopping incoming projectiles and such.
A Mass Effect shield is build up in multiple Layers, at detecting layer (detects an projectile passing thru) and multiple rotating kinetic energy mass effect fields. Should a projectile enter the detecting layer, the system reacts by slapping it away with shear kinetic force, charging and accelerating those fields of course takes energy, and they to dont have limitles capacitators.
So to complety different ways of protection, one just stops incoming threads, one slaps them away form the wearer.
Since both the attack and the protection are a motion and transfere of the same kind of energy, simply the one with the most power wins. And we dont know which one does have more power, but by laws of physics a kinetic barrier would be much more efficient against such an attack than an energized particle field, while an energized particle field would work better against threads such as photons (laser) or super heated ionized gas (plasma).

No i didnt ignore you, but that is simply not a valid point. In terms of physics and logic halo doesnt have much credibility as the writers apparently didnt care for that, i could go on about the unlogical weapons and vehicles and much more, but there are a gazillion threads about that in the internet.
And it might be canon in the halo universe, but if you compare 2 objects from different universes you need a common ground, and following the basic ruleset of our own universe (on which botch are based, aka they have a common origin) is a good common ground. Otherwise a comparement would be useles as simply the one violating the rules most would win.

I dont care for either of those universes, mass effect simply has a little advantage as that its universe is largy based on following our laws of physics, and it limits itself in various parts by obeying the laws of physics, the reason for that is that the writers wanted to create a universe which people could believe that it could realy happen one day, and they hired multiple physicians to help them with that task. They still got some bullshit in it, but its much closer to reality than for example star trek, star wars or halo.

I just guess you wanted to compare both in the halo universe instead of a common ground.

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Gentlespy549 In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2013-07-16 01:18:59 +0000 UTC]

Lets not forget the Chiefs almost indestrucible skeleton, His endurance being that of legends, Falling from orbit twice and getting up and kicking ass 10 minutes after. Infltrator are sneaky, But Promethean vision detects everything. And remember Mars in ME3, The Virmire survivor gets the unholy shit knocked out of them by Eva, Barriers didnt do jack shit to help them. Again, If bullets from a UNSC weapon dont work, There are Covenant weapons that can work. And finally, When it comes to a naval fight between the UNSC and the Alliance, The UNSC have it in the bag, 110 percent, The weakest UNSC ship, A scouting ship is MUCH more powerful than the Alliances strongest, A dreadnought, Throw Infinity class destroyers in and they can make entire Alliance fleets disappear.

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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to Gentlespy549 [2013-07-17 11:59:01 +0000 UTC]

Nothing is indestructible, espeacialy not Carbide Ceramics, trauma plates of ballistic vests are made out of that stuff, they resisit a great deal of heat, fraction and kinetic force, but in the end they shatter to reduce the amount of impact force transfered into the protected person. No matter how advanced the Carbide Ceramics are which coat a Spartans Bones, its nothing more than a little enforcment against breaking, simple rules of material properties, every type of material has its limits.

Falling from Orbit is rather unrealistic considering halos low tech, unles having some sort of ceramic heat resistant armor, enough cooling to not get cooked inside, and having a way of reducing your impact speed is requiered, which negates "falling". So either he had that, our the writer did know nothing about Fraction, Thermodynamics and Newtonic Physics.

"Promethean vision...though it is difficult to see enemies in active camoflague and holograms." Yeah right, "everything"... does it tell you what underwear your enemie is wearing. Saying that it detects everything is just such a dumb statement.

Barriers repel, since those are small barriers, the mass of the hitting object matters greatly. A hard blow from a heavy limb is harder to repel that an big bullet for them, plasma is very light, its gas. So in the end, Plasma Blade vs Kinetic Barrier = If the Blades Magnetic field isnt strong enough to keep the plasma inside while the barrier repels it, the plasma will simply be dispersed.

Covernant weapons, doesnt matter, there is worse shooting at shepard. Like Collectors Particle Rifle, Javelins, Cains or micro black holes.

Oh UNSC Ships are just funny, oh yes we fire 600 ton projectiles made of tungsten or uranium at 30000ms, with the power of a simple D/T Fusion Reactor... of course you do, of course... once every few days or even week you might get enough power to do so IF you got large enough capacitators to store that energy, or unles the reactor is bigger than your whole damn ship. There are rules of how much energy is requiered to accelerate that much mass at that speed, and how much energy a D/T Fusion can produce, even if they use all direct energy created by the reaction and use all heat produced with a 0% lose, store it with 0% lose, and accelerate with 0% lose, it doesnt add up to the firespeeds described. Simple Energy Production/Need calculations. In short: Yes, 64,5 Kilotons impact force at full power, thats more than ONE of the Cannons mounted on a Alliance Dreadnought, but no way they get enough energy to fire that thing at full power with their present technology. And dont get me started on that Super MACs, those are just so insanely idiotic.

Sorry for popping your bubble, but Halo is just written to be a good story, it doesnt hold up on any realistic approach since they apparently never considered physic rules beyond the basics and just made stuff up so people can say "woa awesome".

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farcide In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2013-08-10 04:34:37 +0000 UTC]

Dude stop attacking the bungie writers. Mass effect's writers were cheap enough to resurrect there supposed to be dead protaganist for a crappy sequel. You don't know whether the unsc's reactors cold shoot the Mac cannons at the rate they did. At least they don't need a series of stations built by their arch enemies to travel the galaxy. Slip space is far superior to mass effect drives. Don't attack the other series credibility, it just shows you have no decent points left.

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Fullmetal-Fox In reply to farcide [2013-08-10 14:40:01 +0000 UTC]

Oh so saying that they never considered physics beyond the basics is an attack at the writers?
Well now thats funny, as most of the writers out there dont consider physics beyond the basics and rather focus on the story itself, which itself isnt so bad should the story be some fantasy stuff, but science fiction, oh well... yeah, sure, Carbide Ceramics are indestuctable... why isnt a traume plate indestructalbe then? Sorry but that just a bullshit statement made by the writers, meaning a spartans bones wouldnt be indestructible in real life, their coating would shatter from a bullet. My guess is that the writers just googled what hard material is used in bullet prove vests, and didnt consider how that material even works, aka scattering the kinetic energy of the bullets impact by shattering, and not by beeing indestuctable.

Funny thing is he didnt die in the first installment of the series, he died in the sequel.

I know that halos writers wrote what type of reactors UNSC ships use, and what projectile they accelerate at what speed. And simple fucking physical laws predict a maximum of energy generated by a Deuterium Tritium reaction per gram of matter. And simple fucking physical laws predict how much energy is requiered to accelerate such a heavy projectile at that speed with magnetic force, it just doesnt add up they way halo shows it. Event Mass Effects shit wouldnt add up if they wouldnt have the name giving element zero creating mass effect fields, which in it self violates some laws of physics.

Well they found the Mass Relays, as intendet by the reapers those where left behind on purpose to predict the way biological lifes technology evolves. If the Humans in Halo would have found a Covernant Ship with a Slipspace drive before developing the drive them selfs, they would propably also reverse engineer that. And Slipspace Drives and Mass Relays are kinda on the same speed, both depending on the ships themselfs.

Sorry to hear that the laws of physics arent a decent point for your mind.

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Masada408 In reply to Fullmetal-Fox [2013-11-02 18:58:56 +0000 UTC]

I would agree that Shep would win, it's really not up for debate at distance. Β Disrupter ammo to take the shields down then hit him with incinerate or anything really (chief is a pussy without his shields). Β As far as melee combat without any weapons, i'd have to give the edge to Chief. Β Honestly though, they wouldn't fight each other, they would team up and either pwn the reapers or annihilate the flood/covenant/etc.

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Stealer-L1F3 In reply to Masada408 [2014-02-06 19:22:08 +0000 UTC]

... Someone hasn't heard of Chief's feats from 2525 (When he got MJOLNIR MARK IV, which is an unshielded version of MJOLNIR) up to 2552 (When his MARK IV was swapped out for the MARK V). Chief has had more experience when he was wearing no shields, so your argument has nothing solid. It's a lie.

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DinoJake In reply to ??? [2013-04-21 05:33:05 +0000 UTC]

Depends on the Shepard. If s/he's an engineer, they could short out the Chief's shields and after that, it's just a matter of how bullet-proof Chief's armor is. If s/he's a biotic, they could just throw the Chief around or biotically charge him over and over again. But if Shepard's just a run-of-the-mill soldier then.....yeah. Chief would probably win against THAT Shepard.

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shabbacabba In reply to DinoJake [2013-06-06 06:57:38 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this assessment. Shepard may be incredibly resilient, but he's still just a squishy little human thing whereas the Chief is a non-squishy large human thing.

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Darrenthomthom In reply to ??? [2013-03-20 17:26:28 +0000 UTC]

Femshep + MC in a romantic space ride through the milky way

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anivalo In reply to Darrenthomthom [2013-05-15 08:10:05 +0000 UTC]

At first MC would be against it but we all know Shepard always gets the girl/guy/alien/robot.

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Artemide68 [2013-02-21 22:07:01 +0000 UTC]

nobody wins, Paragon Shepard uses his ultimate diplomacy skill to hold hands and have a merry mako ride in the sunset

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Timmyril In reply to Artemide68 [2014-05-02 14:02:25 +0000 UTC]

I'd love to see that XD

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victorchicago In reply to ??? [2013-02-17 17:20:01 +0000 UTC]

Chief wins. When the commander can lift a tank and fall through the atmosphere without dying (like he did in Mass Effect 2 and was revived with space magic) let me know.
Until then Chief wins.
Not saying that the fight wouldn't last quite a bit. Shepard is a grizzled soldier and Mass Effect's kinetic barriers are far stronger then the shielding of the covenant or the UNSC.
However once the shields are pierced the Chief will have little trouble killing his opponent.
Conversely if Shepard can get a good shot off with the one of the more powerful sniper rifles, he might easily pierce the Mjolnir armor. The reasoning is that Mass Effect's weapons are all a little over powered when you get down to reading about them. I can't point out specifics but if Shepard get's a lucky shot off, the chief might be in for trouble.

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Aqua311 In reply to ??? [2012-12-23 16:41:03 +0000 UTC]

Whatever happens, the Chief will live through this, because he has luck on his side.

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DroidsBane [2012-12-23 04:43:00 +0000 UTC]

Im going with Chief

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ScarecrowsMainFan In reply to DroidsBane [2012-12-23 05:07:54 +0000 UTC]

Ok. Why?

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DroidsBane In reply to DroidsBane [2012-12-23 04:47:15 +0000 UTC]

he survived planetfall twice, shep needed a 6 billion dollar man project to bring him back after getting spaced, and dies from electrocution, disintigration and not bothering to shoot an explosive tube from a safe distance, Chiefs a survivor, Shep needs a whole team to help him (and explain things he should be able to deduce on his own but cant for reason)

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godofimagination In reply to DroidsBane [2012-12-31 02:48:36 +0000 UTC]

LOL yeah he's jumped like 5 times.

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JakMar987 [2012-12-20 02:00:54 +0000 UTC]

im just gonna mention something that happened in Halo 4 and that is that cheif i powerless against telekinesis as he couldnt do any thing and i'll also mention Biotics can make the same effect so Shep wins

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farcide In reply to JakMar987 [2013-06-26 03:23:05 +0000 UTC]

That actually wasn't telekinesis. If you watch closely, you will actually see a semi cloaked beam coming from the didact's hand. He used a hardlight beam to grab MC not telekinesis.

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Greyman95 [2012-12-19 22:42:35 +0000 UTC]

hey what about the didact vs shepard

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hippta243 In reply to Greyman95 [2013-06-20 04:35:59 +0000 UTC]

Definitely Didact.

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Greyman95 In reply to hippta243 [2013-06-20 11:21:23 +0000 UTC]

Which though iso-didact or ur-didact

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Xpwn3ntial In reply to ??? [2012-12-19 13:52:09 +0000 UTC]

Gonna have to go with Chief. His shielding can block things besides solid projectiles, and then there's the whole super soldier thing. And the specs for Mjolnir are ridiculous.

Sorry Shep. Love ya to pieces, but I can't in good conscience say you'd win.

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Xpwn3ntial In reply to Xpwn3ntial [2012-12-20 20:42:12 +0000 UTC]

Though the main problem with this matchup is there are WAAAAAY too many variables to draw a conclusion. What class is Shepard? What are his weapons? What are Chief's weapons? What's Chief's armor ability?

Should we go with Bioware's default Shepard and make him a soldier? Or should we do the wish-fulfillment thing and make him a user-created Shepard?

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Arppis In reply to Xpwn3ntial [2013-04-13 19:59:05 +0000 UTC]

And should we go with Master Chief in games where he basicaly dies in few hits and his shields are a joke. Or should we go with the book version where he's Superman reborn?

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farcide In reply to Arppis [2013-08-10 04:37:38 +0000 UTC]

Dude the books are what chief would be like in real life. He's just dulled dulled down in the games to makes them a challenge.

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Arppis In reply to farcide [2013-08-10 14:39:50 +0000 UTC]

There is also the fact that cutscenes and the gameplay doesn't mesh up. So in the cutscene, Chief might be able to jump trough space and go trough the atmosphere, without much effort. Next we see, he gets two shotted by some grunt with a plasma gun.

I know this is a problem with a lot of games, but it's something game devs should get right imo. Plus, having set rules about his abilities would help too. Instead of changing what he can do all the time.

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Xpwn3ntial In reply to Arppis [2013-04-14 00:15:23 +0000 UTC]

And if we choose the games in any situation, what difficulty should they be on? Normal's a safe, default answer, but there might be something else to the difficulty mechanics for each game we don't know about.

What about aim? Can we really take the game specifications of aim since both have aim assist (Mass Effect is an Xbox game first) and are human controlled? Should we pick and choose what parts of their performance come from where, or is it all/nothing for the whole games vs. books debate?

Is Cortana with Chief or not? What variation of armor are EITHER of these guys wearing? Basic N7 and MK VI, or are we getting different sets here?

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Arppis In reply to Xpwn3ntial [2013-04-14 05:23:51 +0000 UTC]

Normal isn't the default in Halo. Heroic is. It says so in the game.

But yeah, it's a stupid comparison, because of the contradictions these two characters have. But really it boils down to "my daddy can beat your daddy"-kinda pissing contest.

I just always found Master Chief to be rather weak when it comes to the game mechanics. I felt like he is just a grunt with shield.

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Xpwn3ntial In reply to Arppis [2013-04-14 05:41:58 +0000 UTC]

Exactly! We can't even rely on the games to tell us what's up. If normal isn't default, should we use Heroic or Normal?

Fun fact: On Legendary difficulty in Halo 1, the red Elite is you. Same health, same shielding.
It just feels like less because they're using plasma weapons and you're outnumbered.

At least this particular pissing contest is a bit more evened out than ones I've seen in the past.
It usually was heavily in Shepard's favor because "the character I invested in is better than a character I don't even like" or just plain "I like this game more" in either character's favor.

At least this isn't Batman vs. Superman. That gets UGLY.

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Arppis In reply to Xpwn3ntial [2013-04-14 08:17:13 +0000 UTC]

Halo 1 was well balanced in terms of health and shields. But in Halo 2 and 3, it was all about multiplayer balance that was brought to singleplayer. I liked Halo 1 much better! That was a good game, so was ODST and Reach.

Anyhows, Heroic is the "default" really. I DON'T know why they put the "normal" difficulty to the game. They should rename it.

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Xpwn3ntial In reply to Arppis [2013-04-14 18:11:12 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, man. Make it "casual" or something.

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Arppis In reply to Xpwn3ntial [2013-04-14 19:22:13 +0000 UTC]

Maybe "easy" as "casual" or "trainee"?
And "Normal" as "Soldier" or something... I don't know!

Would be fun if Master Chief's ingame abilities would match the book's thou.

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Xpwn3ntial In reply to Arppis [2013-04-14 20:54:21 +0000 UTC]

Maybe Lieutenant? Trainee is really good.

That's a cool idea. I've had an idea for a skull like "Fluffy" or something that does just that.
Rambo-ing battaltions, punching out tanks like it's no big deal, instant melee killing, bullet time and other book stuff.

This needs to be a thing. Can 343 make this a thing?

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Arppis In reply to Xpwn3ntial [2013-04-14 21:37:42 +0000 UTC]

I doubt they will, because it would mess up too much with the winning formula they got in their hands... Sadly so. Would be cool thou and definedly a Halo game I'd buy. I skipped the 4th one. I got the rest.

I figured that I'll buy a Halo game when it re-invents itself for real.

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ak47pwner In reply to ??? [2012-12-18 22:06:04 +0000 UTC]

Going with Shephard, though I have not fully played out Halo 4 I believe Shephard would win against Mass Effect 3 version. Better weapons, on par enhancements, biotic powers ultimately trumps better training and armor. Experience is powerful foes is roughly on par, as Reapers are if not above Covenant/flood then at least equal.

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Masterkiller117 In reply to ak47pwner [2012-12-19 02:17:41 +0000 UTC]

On par enhancements? I think not.
He doest even have better weaponary from what I have seen.
Biotic powers don't really mean anything if he can dodge most if not all of them.
And the reapers would be destroyed by the covenant on the ground and in space with their superior tech and warriors.
And the flood are way more dangerous than the reapers if they get to a poulation center and assimilate the people there.

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