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Art Credit/Made by: Thank you again for drawing these for me!NO I am not shipping myself with him, by the way.
He's a skeleton MONSTER, which most seem to forget. He can sweat and move his facial features to an extent. MAGIC! c:
I don't care. I'm such trash and will burn in hell anyway, so away I go!
I DO NOT DRAW!
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EDIT: MERRY CHRISTMAS XD
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Ahahaha, the stupid human got herself killed! Eh, I deserved it for wandering around like an idiot. I'd probably mess up the dodging anyway and would make too many mistakes to survive a fight (just like in the game), not to mention I am a bit out of shape as it is. A monster would probably get the final hit on me...or did it? The slash looks a little...different, hmm? I can tell you this now if it was real, I would fight against Chara to protect those of Undertale, even if it means I might die in the process, but there's a different reason anyway.
Anyway, ignoring that bit for now...
What is a soul? What is its worth? Do we have one, truly? Or is it just something we hope for to make it seem like we have more meaning when we die or where we could possibly go. Instead of fading and not exist anymore. What makes the difference between a monster's soul and human soul? In the game the difference was that humans had Determination, again a hard concept to explain, but what does that mean? I can tell you now Sans has more determination than any monster I have seen to try and stop the player/Chara from destroying everything or does he?
After so many times I can imagine a monster losing its determination for many reasons and making it almost unattainable to get back. Asriel was supposedly injected with Determination after (I think) the human's attack and practically killed him, but he lived instead of turning into a pile of goo and such, but turning into a soulless flower. With him killed then injected afterward, his soul was practically lost and as such lost his form and identity in the process. If he was alive...Would he still be the same as he was but filled with Determination that is dangerous for monsters? I believe he would have been fine, that's just my thoughts, though.
I have a feeling Sans would be in the same boat considering he is a special character in itself...
That being said and going back to the picture, kind of. If Undertale was real, I'd want to break the cycle somehow. Maybe this was a bad run for me, but eh, I'm kind of dumb as it is and probably would get into trouble. I would stay determined to keep it together at least until the very end. They said they needed one more human soul to break the barrier, right? So why not give it to them after all they have been through? Save them the trouble! What the heck makes us so special compared to them, I don't see it. The monsters know they need just one soul, only one and any more would be unnecessary, right? Or so I would hope. So after a time of learning about their past and falling in love with their personalities, seeing their struggles... See their suffering and knowing the other timelines, why not?
Give up something for the greater good.
I'm not suicidal by any means, haha! It just makes me think... Would you give up your life to save someone you care for? To stop their suffering if it was possible? Not that I think my soul would do anything to help in this situation. I don't really find worth in myself to see myself or my soul as anything special, so perhaps it would meaningless in the end. Heh, it's the thought that counts! If they needed or if a soul was needed to destroy the never-ending cycle, yeah I would have to say I would give up mine. I wouldn't be sad at all. It would probably hurt and be scary in general, but it might be worth it to see everyone in Undertale happy and free from the curse of resets and the Underground itself. It hurts more to see everyone and Sans not happy, so I would rather do something at least with my worthless life.
Just to see everyone happy and safe, including and especially Sans would fill me with DETERMINATION.
[I am proud to say I went down the true-pacifist route and never RESETED! In fact, I uninstalled (kept the game/save file though, not all the way deleted because I believe it will continue on without me) the game since, and I am content that they are all happy (in my timeline) and will leave it at that. :] ]
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Eh, ignore my babbling. I cannot explain everything that is so great about this story, characters, and self-aware game. Maybe I am not the only one thinking it? Also, I need more happy pictures dammit, I'm going to drown in sorrow. Thank you for reading if anything and hope it wasn't too weird, but the game and the fandom makes my heart hurt at times, and sometimes I wish I can take the characters pain away when I see sad pictures, haha. T~T
Here's why video games are such a big deal and why I am so passionate about it...
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ALL ABOARD THE ANGST TRAIN! CHOO-CHOO!
This fandom is FILLED WITH IT DANG IT!
I usually get away from sad things. This isn't healthy for me, ugh.
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You know....I feel exactly the same way you do about this.....It makes me think of a verse out of Charlotte's Web, it goes like this:
“A spider's life can't help being something of a mess, with all this trapping and eating flies. By helping you, perhaps I was trying to lift up my life a trifle. Heaven knows anyone's life can stand a little of that.”
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I hate to say this, but the genocide route, while horrible, is required to recieve the full story of the game. But it comes with a price. At the end, Chara talks to you, the player, directly, telling you how every time your EXP or LOVE increased, that feeling of satisfaction came from Chara, and that their so called "Human Soul" and "determination" came from us. Eventually, your faced with a choice: Erase this world and move onto the next, or refuse. Agree, and Chara will call you a good partner and attack the player, causing the screen to be cavered in nines. Refuse, and she will say "Since when are you the one in control?" Followed by a jumpscare, and will kill the player again. Each time she kills the player while the game is in windowed mode, the geme window shakes. After the player dies, the game crashes. Upon a reboot, the player is greeted by... Nothing. After waiting ten minutes, someone will talk to the player, asking if thwy are above consequences. Yes, and the voice will say Exactly. No and the voice will say Then what are you looking for? Ultimately, the voice will make a deal. The voice, Chara, will bring back the game in exchange for your SOUL. Agree, and the game will close, and upon reopening, it will have the same effect as a true reset. Except for one thing. The Pacifist ending is permaneantly tainted, with Chara possesing Frisk, with the THE END text being red, and no sign of Toby/ annoying dog. Just the fact that he doesn't appear in a pacifist ending after genocide shows you just how far you've gone. Just how tabo your actions were. And unlike the others, you cannot reset this mistake.
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I have to say, after reading all that I can't say there's anything worth knowing for doing that and I'm not stupid just to see it. There isn't a story left except the consequences of your actions for choosing that, and I don't consider that a story since it has nothing to do with the Undertale characters I grew to love or anything else with them. Nor does it show you something anything really new except maybe some new boss battles and a few new dialogue? No thanks. I get it sans kind gives away some of that, but that is really the only thing. I have to thank everyone else who practically spilled that, but when you go to save Sans it was obvious something was off anyway. Chara has no point unless you create them by going down that route, which if you never do, they don't matter. It's why it is optional, and in my opinion, not significant to know the story, considering others will do it first and I wouldn't do it anyway. As a player, our journey ends when we choose whether Frisk go to live with goat mom (chose that) or wander. But, that's it. Frisk and everyone lives their life without us and the end credit shows this as we get a brief window to see it, but we disappear in the end and don't exist anymore. However, as the player we can reset it all if we are not happy with not being part of their lives anymore and those who are selfish will do that, whether it's real or not. Take away their happiness to see them again, including Frisk, but we just use them, possess them and don't take them into consideration. Who's the real Chara? Heh. Overall, Undertale is an amazing game, but my morals make me refuse to take people's happiness away to see them all again, even if not real, for an optional bit that I don't see as relevant.
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Well, there is Sans battle, which includes a lot of his backstory, and the monsters at Asgore's house are replaced by Flowey, who explains how he came to be a flower, and his powers over the timelines, as well as how he's the only one that truly remembers after a reset.
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Yep, but it's also not hard to see that something was going on with him even when saving him in pacifist. Also, people just about spoil it in the art and other posts, it's not hard to find out. Not really a backstory, but more of an explanation.
From what we learn in pacifist, we already know from Alphys side of Flowey with all that and it is quite obvious.
After it all, who's there to greet you if you bother to open the game back up? Flowey, obviously he knows what's going on and in the beginning, considering if you dodge his pellets of friendliness, he knows you know.
How would he know if his memory is supposedly wiped? Or he didn't know you to begin with?
Anyway, I still believe it is optional.
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While BladeSlash probably sees where you're coming from, I totally understand why you'll never do Genocide...I don't ever want to do Genocide myself...(and God forbid I ever do...), this is why I spoiled it for myself on Youtube...Hell, I'd feel guilty doing a reset, even if in a friends Headcanon, Sans wouldn't mind a reset as long as at the end of the day, everyone's(including you, the player/Frisk) alive and out of the underground.
...it was really hard to see it on Youtube, and I do plan to incorporate that into a story arc I'm doing right now >.>
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I never played this game: When you lost a battle and die, and then load a saved file, is the same as reset?
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Nope! It isn't the same like the reset, but I can't say it's any better.
When you die you reload from the last save. Not bad, but it's when the characters start to know or start remembering that they met you before is what makes it troublesome. Some characters start to keep the memories if you keep reloading or die fighting them and they will take a notice, do something different, or possibly even tell you. It's more like having them stuck in a time loop until you can get past it and they are forced into it.
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Heh... guess I wasn't the only one getting through that situation after all.
In a comment I posted to you in the other part of your discussion I sais I was in a very bad moment of my life, the exact moment I met Undertale and, of course, Sans. I almost comitted suicide (personal cirumstances) but I've got the time enought to think twice. "But, if I leave, what will happen to my family? My friends?" And then Undertale appears in my life... Sans appears in my life... Geez... Message that the universe wanted me to hear: never loose hope. (Personal experience)
Monsters fight 'cuz there's hope for them. I believe monsters see DETERMINATION as a very mighty power that they "don't have", but the have magic, I could say that monsters care more for the ones of their same kind as they than we, humans... Interesting thing you put here. What make us more special than monsters? I actually don't feel like I can answer this.
Actually it is said that it was only a monster soul and a human soul good enoughto break the barrier. Seven were needed, according to Asgore, 'cuz he wanted vengance at the beginning and to become something like a god. But the barrier just needed two souls...
Resets are very painful in this game. However, talking as a gamer, I like resets cuz they let me feel what an avdenture is, to feel that "something" when you find/success/defeat bad guys, etc. OF course, my argument doesn't defend the genocide run in Undertale.
Thanks for opening this discussion! 
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Thank you so much for taking the time to comment and discuss something that had troubled me a lot while being in the Undertale fandom and just liking the story/game in general! I read everything that you wrote, even from the other pictures and I have to say I am very grateful that you felt like discussing such things with me and sharing your thoughts, and feelings!
Sans...The game, in general, has opened my eyes to a lot of things I would never have thought before and it quite scares a bit. Not only do I play games differently like if I was in the game myself, I start to look past the game mechanics and focus on story more than usual now to see if there is an underlying meaning to all of it. And I have to say I agree, with all video-games being stuck in a reset loop, but we don't feel much of a connection because it doesn't include us. While we play we are the dictator, the person who chooses what to do and ultimately decides the fate of the game unless it is already predetermined. It just depends on how we get there. If games and characters were more self-aware I would be panicking like after I played Undertale, but I am not someone who jumps on in a game to destroy characters without reason unless the game tricks me into killing them and it turns out they were innocent (god that would wreck me).
Sans story... What he goes through is a trial in life everyone might have to face in time. The pain of losing someone to they love (whether due to natural causes or not), struggling depression, having to smile and face against uncertain odds... I mean. You would think he might kill himself going through all that... BUT, he doesn't. What would Papyrus feel or think of Sans killed himself out of the blue one day? I think Sans keeps clinging on because of Papyrus at the very start and at the end he tries to do something anyway, but it isn't much because he knows he cannot win. He puts up a small fight in the beginning, but then he doesn't care anymore at the end. Perhaps he lets you kill him in the end because he just wants it to be over... In the true pacifist run, he winks at you in the credit scenes. It's a final acknowledgment to the player, us... before we go and let Frisk take over, and whatever we do after is up to us. Which I am pretty sure he hopes we do not reset, among other things. Or perhaps that wink is a knowing wink... Not a good wink anyway. Like he is humoring us and that smile starts to get haunting because we do know how he feels since when we saved him...
I'm glad you enjoy the second picture <33333. And I kind of had that feeling, a connection between games and video game characters. A big IF, and how so many people would probably take a chance to be with that character, knowing all the pain that they would suffer and would want to do something, anything, to make them feel better, loved, and at peace <3333. Yay! I am not the only one <3. I believe skeleton monsters have the form of human skeletons, but to some extent, it is like skin/muscle to them, thrumming with their magic that makes them, them and so much alive.
On a personal note, I am glad you are still with us today and are determined to push through the hardships of life. The monsters of Undertale is made of compassion, passion, mercy, hope, love (not the violent kind), and I believe a bit determination. But their magic can only hold so much determination. Too much determination and their bodies fall apart...to amalgamations. I wouldn't blame monsters if they cared for more of their kind since they didn't get that from human adults. It was all a big misunderstanding, but go figure the humans immediately pull out weapons, shoot and act out of fear before trying to figure it out first.
Ah yes, I know <3 about the one soul thing. Asgore was acting out of vengeance for himself and his kind. He lost his son, or two children that day and the grief carried with him after he declared war. If they had stayed true to needing one soul, in this picture I was willing to give mine up, for Sans, for everyone. Sans could do it with my soul and I would die happy with that thought. Resets are TERRIBLE in this game, it's the worst anyone could do to a game that is self-aware and lets you know it. You taking away their happiness. NOPE. If more games were more self-aware and directed it to me, I wouldn't reset like I would do in other games (like you said) just to see different outcomes, replay the adventures and re-meet the amazing characters. I miss Sans and everyone. I listen to the music to make me somewhat content and feel like they are there with me, but I know in the timeline I made for them, they are finally at peace... And I'm good with that.
Thank YOU for replying and commentating!
It was definitely fun and I hope you keep being determined when you are down. Don't ever lose hope!
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It would be a sacrifice so worthy of it. Even if it a virtual world... just making you know you have the power to save them makes you really want to do it.
Yeah, listening to the music of the game makes you imagine those situations again, as if you were playing. Or also drawing. In my case is lie: Hey, Sans! You're here! You're ok! You finally made it, we helped each other~
Aaah *sigh* It warms your heart
You're welcome ^U^
And thanks 
Yes. There's always hope.
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I agree with you on everything. Would I give to hug sans, tell him everyone is safe, his brother is safe, the resets are over... If only
You're welcome also <3
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Remember....that we humans have DETERMINATION! And no matter who you are, you are not worthless. There was a time I thought my death would be nothing and only be better for everyone if I was gone (I was having a bad time you could say, Sans is the one who's truly in hell). But I got friends that I dearly care about and would gladly risk my life for.
And no, I don't think you're weird for feeling this. I completed the true pacifist one not so long ago and decided later to make the true reset and try out the genocide run.
That was before I discovered the really angsty feelings about Sans, and their strong bond.
I killed Papyrus.....I felt bad, but I reminded myself that it was just a game...
I got creeped out to the bone (again...puns 
I discovered this fandom and all this pain and dark secrets when I was going to face Undyne, back then I saw it as a great challenge. When I beat her....I felt nothing...just like Sans says...I felt my sins crawling on my back.
After I beat Mettaton I quited and reset. I couldn't take it. And seeing all these pictures of Sans crying for his brother makes me feel even worse because I will always bear with the knowledge that.....I....was the one...who killed him....
Still wanna cry because of it.
But now....now I'm filled with TRUE Determination! Determination to finish this story once and for all and let all of them get their happy ending (if it will be possible, I heard that you can't fight Flowey because he knows about what the human souls will do to him). I just want them to be happy....I just want Sans to be happy for once....I do believe just like LOVE and EXP are acronyms HP is also a acronym....for perhaps Hope........and Sans has almost none of it left.....
I'm right now working on a serie strip that circles around the fact that if I met Sans before I reseted....how would I, the ME inside of Frisk, react? I knew I would go down on my knees and beg for his forgivness and make it up to him.
I can only hope he will forgive me for doing what I did to him. But I haven't met him yet.....I'm still with Toriel and I'm scared of what he will say once I get back....will he judge me or will he believe in me once again?
Undertale isn't just game.....it never was and it never will be....
Gosh now I'm the one rambling...hehe I guess that's what Undertale does to you 
♥Undertale for life♥
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I'm glad you got good friends!
With games... I always go the good path first just in case I connect and fall in love with the characters. If I cannot then I can do the darker path because it doesn't feel real, I have no connection to the story or characters, and then it feels like an actual game with no depth.
With my first run of Undertale, I fell in love with the characters and the story (also scared the shit out of me a couple times) and then was able to beat it, the true pacifist way. I read about the resets and I couldn't bring myself to do it especially since it breaks the 4th wall and such. Saying you would take all their happiness when you do that. How could you? That makes me feel selfish.... Otherwise, you played the game for the game, not caring about anything else when you did that... Then killing them? If you go down that route, the game is forever changed and I don't think you can get the true happy ending once you do that unless you mess with the games files. Then again, the game is self-aware and it will call you a dirty hacker, which you would be, lol.
Sans only has 1 HP....1 Hope, and that might be for his brother... and everyone else.
But alas
Nah, cannot do it! NOPE! I have too much passion for the characters and story that I cannot bring myself to watch or do it.
I don't care if the boss fights are 'interesting' or 'hard', or that the music is great. I can listen to the music without doing it too!
Hmm, in the series, though it has happened and pass. I think Sans would have some vague ideas of the other timelines like most theorize. However, I really doubt Sans would truly forgive a person for doing something like that... It would probably take a lot of time and proving, he's been through a lot as it is... There's an awesome fanfiction about something like that, about redemption. And it's definitely how I would think Sans would react to that sort of thing, not out of character at all. Like in the genocide route, mercy him and he'll spare you by killing you as a friend, hoping if you are his friend, to never come back (or play the game). I believe it is a merciful judgment for a 'killer', lol.
You're right, Undertale is more of an eye-opening, interactive story that you can effectively destroy or restart, sadly.
Or gain friends and finally give them happiness over a misunderstanding...
It is again our choice...
Weeeee Rambling! Love it and glad you share your thoughts on it! <3
Hope you enjoy your day!
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My friend who showed Undertale for me (she's my Senpai for a good reason
You're right, it might take a while for him. I'll try the best I can at least, and then I'm gonna leave him and his friends and brother to enjoy their happiness that I sadly can't tag along in. I really want to see them in our human world, adapting and living a really good life. But that means I have to reset everytime just to stay with them.
You're right, it's really selfish.
Man this game and all these choices - it's all about the choices - you can always chose what you want to do, but you always have to stand for the consequenses you've made. I'm gonna make it up to Pap as well. I'm gonna let him cook as much spaghetti as he wants and then eat it all, even if it's cold and stuck to the table
It think that's a fair PUNishment don't ya think
Rambling, rambling. Jump on the rambling train yip yip!!
♥Undertale 4 life bruh♥
♥Toby Fox our lord and saviour♥
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I can't even imagine T~T, well, the fanart of the genocide route actually explains it a lot and I burst into tears like a little baby. NOOOOOO xD. Heck yeah, sans battle song is just AMAZING and I could imagine running to it or/and getting pumped up for something....like homework (I'm lame). I don't get filled with determination, but I definitely feel excited C: .
Do the best you can, that's all you can do C: , but at least, you're trying to redeem yourself <3 . I know right? How sad is it when I want them to be real.... that I sometimes hate being a human more than anything. I am thinking being an animal would be much simpler without having all these FEELS inside me, hahaha. And, that out kind pretty much sucks on a regular basis. My friends would probably be only with monsters if that was the case. I would help them adapt as well, even stand up for them for the racism that would occur... <____>
Yep! That's the best part, but it's not in your face like most games do and fail at. These have severe and actual consequences that have meaning than something small and unnoticeable. Yay! Papy's cooking I would think would get better over time and I loveeeeeee spaghetti since I was a child, so no problem here! Let's eat!!!
Hahaha!
Wheeee rambling train!
Undertale 4 Life
Praise Toby!
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Imagine being in an exam, and someone played Megalovania, my god everyone would write til the pens and pappers broke
I'm also a very loyal fan of Avatar the last airbender, it was the first show I watched and it helped me a lot with life in general. The feelings I have for Undertale is kind of similiar, but I've only stayed in this fandom for like 12 days (it feels so much more!) so I can't tell for sure just yet.
But my god how many times have I not wanted to just jump out of my body, let my soul fly into the TV and join them, same with Undertale. It's kinda funny, that the people you care for is just made up characters in an/a anime/tv/game. Ouch, it hurts to think about that, but it's sadly true.
Spaghetti is really good sometimes, I love my dad's spaghetti
But I sure do love milk, afterall I need to grow a strong backBONE like Sans
I LIKE T- RAMBLING!!! NYEHEHE xD
No but seriously, I do nyehehehehehe!
Undertale is love, Undertale is life♥
Toby will all save us from this mortal realm
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I would flip my table and do that afterwards on the floor, rofl.
That's cool. I was in other fandoms too, but they didn't last very long for me except right now, I have been a fan for who knows how long now. It does help me, but it sometimes doesn't as well because of the sad stuff that goes around and I have to try and steer clear.
:0 I love my mother's spaghetti! And it depends on who makes it of course, hehe
Probably! I think he could become a famous chef if he wanted to!
And I also love milk, yum! Though, I am sometimes too lazy to do that xD
Nyeh heh heh heh
<333
wooot!
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I would take my finished exam, place it on the table in front of the teacher with a bang. Stretch out my arms and say: DETERMINATION!!! hehe...
I get what you saying, fandoms can get you really down to the angst-bottom. Undertale seems to be that place where you either laugh, smile or cry your eyes out.
I love milk to bits! It's the only kind of drink that I never get tired of. WOOWIE FOR MILK!!!
Papyrus's famous cooking show: How to make spiral pasta, round pasta, hard pasta, pasta with pasta, pasta without pasta, pasta with pastasause etc. Man I would totaly watch that show
Nyehehe hehe hehe!!!
The rambling train ain't stopping until the eyes are popping.......(whut? )
I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMOOOORE
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Hahaha that would be best. Or just...
* get dunked on!
That is seriously the truth of the Undertale fandom.
I do not know how many times I laughed, smiled, and cried.
I think I cried more...but I think I am getting the hang of avoiding the sadness, for now.
WOWIE INDEED!
He would be awesome to watch! I'd probably learn a lot and he'd be so entertaining and charismatic! I totally watched, it just makes me more sad, argggggh.
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No worries, you're awesome anways!
We all have one ship we sin on
Wow. California huh? ;D
It's 1.35 am here in Sweden 
I find it kinda hard to find someone, but I guess that's just me.
See ya again maybe sometime? And stay great as in GREEEAT GREEEAAAT Nyehehe!!
Anway goodnight ♥
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Fastest reply ever on the deviantart history!!!
And yes...that would be awesome too!
At some point you learn to control your emotions, for better or worse.
Random Pap shit because why not?
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Hahahaha, mostly because I am not distracted as much, lol.
<3
True.
Yay, random Papy!
Anyway, thank you for talking to me!
It cheered me up quite a bit. C:
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You're welcome
And btw, your artwork is awesome! Just wanted to point that out
I ship Papy and Sans so much.....in a skeleBRO way
I need to go to bed soon, still here for a couple of more minutes though
I figured since you're from the US the time is 7.30 pm right?
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Really? A year? I don't think it would be very hard to find someone to ramble and discuss silly things about we love. There're a lot of people around, but I am glad you enjoyed it, haha.
Unfortunately, I do not draw, I usually pay someone else to do it for me, haha DX.
I write for fun and record videos for YouTube, but that's about it.
Same here!
But, I am a bit of a sinner in a way XD.
shhhh >__>, I said nothing!
No worries! It's 4:32 p.m. California time, but yes, I'm from the U.S
If anything, I wish you have a great night!!!!
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No worries, you're awesome anways!
We all have that one ship we sin on
It's 1.37 am right now here in Sweden, should really go to sleep. And California huh? That's awesome.
Anyway stay great...as in GRREEEAAT GREEEAAATT NYEHEHE.
See ya later perhaps....sometimes...who knows?
The rambling train leaves Swed-in and goes back to Snowdin!
(Why do I even try?)
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Hmm, got two posts from you that are similar yet different somehow in response xD.
Thank you! You too!
You too! Nyeh heh heh!
Hehehe, sounds like a possible plan!
Have a GREAT night <3
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So my first post did send! It didn't show so I was confused and tried to write it ocer agian. Oh well, double awesomeness for you
THE DEAL HAS BEEN SEAL-D
I think Sans bad puns has gotten to me.
Anyway goodnight
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Ahh, don't be <3
Just remember Sans will be happy c:
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