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Art Credit/Made by: Thank you again for drawing these for me!NO I am not shipping myself with him, by the way.
He's a skeleton MONSTER, which most seem to forget. He can sweat and move his facial features to an extent. MAGIC! c:
I don't care. I'm such trash and will burn in hell anyway, so away I go!
I DO NOT DRAW!
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Previous Part (1): [C] Sans from Undertale Part 1... [Discussion] [Sorry for a wall of text. Next part won't be as big.]
Heh, it's really hard to summarize all my feelings for this game and character...I might talk about spoilers, so if you don't want to read on, please do not and find out for yourself <3.
I never felt so useless before. A worthless bag of meat sort to speak with emotions that only have a vague idea how to function properly. The story reflects a gamer, a person, and instead of giving you a small scolding or a game-over if you kill something you're not supposed to, it rolls with it, but the characters remember. What I mean by not supposed to...well, you'll find out one way or another. Sure, you can kill everything you like, spare the main NPC characters if you want, but in the end, you will be judged for it all (guess who judges you?).
Everything has a personality in this game, you cannot really deny it. As the player you start to learn it..or you don't? Some people play just to play and it mind boggles me when they do that and ignore most of it, I know a few. Who's the true antagonist? It's not Flowey, I can tell you that. It's the player.
Anyway, even the functions that the game provides tests you, asking if you really want to load at times, fill your determination to save and reset... Oh, the reset. After you run through a run, whatever the outcome may be, the game will ask if you want to reset (I can imagine at least because I never finished it, yet and I heard about it telling you that). But, there's a difference between a reset and a true reset...
I don't know if it is true or not, but it is said that a reset is only half resetting it...The characters memories are not completely wiped with just a simple reset. In fact, I have a feeling it just breaks the timeline, rewinds everything, and the characters are thrown for a loop trying to figure out what is going on and why there is a sudden case of Deja Vu. Why give us the power to do this and have it affect the game as well? I feel...guilty because I save and load often to progress forward when I feel like it. Now I just feel terrible for letting it sit there because I'm not in the 'mood' to continue at the time.
Now getting to Sans, the person who matters most of this (to me anyway).
It is said or maybe it was a rumor that Sans knows about the ability to save and reset. It may not seem like it at first, but I think in the game it hinted that he might know or have a vague idea that you're tampering with the timeline. I have seen so many fanart depicting this, so it cannot be just a coincidence. It's ultimately based on Determination, however, I cannot explain the concept that well on how it works and why humans, or the player, are able to do this in general. But, it becomes quite apparent Sans knows he is in a game. It's self-aware.
If your life was a game how would that make you feel? That nothing you do would even matter in the end, some kind of joke... The warnings he gives you, as brief and meaningful as it is, sent dread through my body when I watched it play out on the Let's Play. I wasn't the only one who was shocked, but by all rights, Sans deserves to say what he means despite the puns he might make it lighten it up a little. If he had seen the other timelines, whether it's broken memories or nightmares, he knows what can happen and with a reset, it can happen all over again and again. Thus taking away a possible good ending for him and everyone else. Flowey knows this as well...
Which I started to question, Sans is a lot more powerful than he lets on.
He knows what is going to happen, warns you even, sternly if you go down the darker route. How many times has he seen his brother die? The bond that is shared between them is so strong and the fandom (as I have seen), knows this as well. How many times has he seen everyone he cared about, die? What about them seeing each other die as well? You can kill Sans in the end as much as I hate to say it because he's a character, just a character... But, his battle, as I heard, is the hardest fight in the game and weird at the same time. His special attack is just him doing nothing, not allowing the character to do anything but have you sit there. He wants you to turn off the game, close it out, or maybe reload. That often times get him to say different things because again, he knows. Eventually, he falls asleep though because good ol'Sans is tired of fighting... Tired of hoping and in truth, he gives up and if you kill him what he says just tears you apart. It tore me a new one.
Knowing all of this, knowing that all his friend, family and loved ones will die because the gamer decides to kill everything, it makes you wonder why he doesn't bother interfering. Could he stop you from killing his brother? Wouldn't he? You would think he would love his brother so much that he would stick with him often when he can while not on breaks or a grillbyz. Wouldn't he find out about his brother dying and confront you? But he doesn't.... he knows already of this timeline and there's nothing he can do. He has no support... He has no one... Then at the final moments, he will ask you why... Papyrus doesn't deserve to be killed, he did nothing and even believed in you that you could change. But no, you cut him down...smile and all. How dare you. Dirty brother killer. Then he will fight you.
Spare him and he will kill you, you deserve it.
Honestly, I cannot do or watch the genocide route, not even for morbid curiosity or because the 'battles' are 'cool. How can people do that? I guess telling oneself that it isn't real can work for some, but really? HOW? When people do it then feel bad afterward by talking about it, I get angry. I don't pity you, in fact, how dare you...You deserve NOTHING and you should sit in a goddamn corner of darkness and never come out, good riddance. Yeah, I don't have mercy left at that point for those people. I don't care if their art is 'gud' or whatever.
When I play a game, I always try to be the good guy (except when it is obvious that I can't, GTA I'm looking at YOU!)...
Also, the fan-art here has ruined me in that sense because while I do not want to see it, it pops up in the fandom and the many groups I follow anyway. I am in love with the characters, I cannot do it and will settle on them having their happy ending while uninstalling the game, but keeping the saved file (to try and keep the idea that it will continue on without me in some kind of sense.
Even if you're going down the good route, the true route and you have the chance to save Sans. I can remember what he said during the process "*just give up. i did.", "*why even try.", "*you'll never see 'em again". What do you do now? I would've saved him and Papyrus a thousand times over just hoping he might say something different, that everything would be okay, but it tells you a lot about how he is feeling. That fixed happy smile is nothing but a lie. No one can imagine how he feels and he doesn't really show it, especially to his brother. He cares about him so much that losing him would ultimately be the death of himself and he knows this too.
He cares about everyone, though. His death doesn't matter, especially if the timelines get reset again, right? Wrong. I know this can relate to actual people and how people say that their deaths won't matter, or it won't affect anyone, but they're wrong. How can a player tell that to a video-game character? They-I cannot and that's what hurts the most. It makes me also wonder why he would have just 1 health point? Perhaps it's not healthy at all...just like 'love', perhaps it is hope and when it's gone... You get the idea.
Maybe before you played a run... He actually had hope, he actually cared more, and was not as lazy and unmotivated as he is now? Maybe he had a lot of hope.
When he starts to notice and goes through all this pain, he stops caring, stops doing anything, loses hope and with that, lose the will to keep fighting. Maybe at one point, he did try to save his brother, but even then that was pointless. He tried in the end, but that's it. He trudges on when it looks like everything is falling apart. Mostly saying the same puns, same lines, same broken smile all to keep it the same and make sure his brother is loved and happy. I would be tired, depressed, and broken from all of it to know what could happen and if someone could just reset my life and make it hell. Who knows... It makes you value time...
But, time is against Sans isn't it? As a person, a human being, a gamer I feel that hits home the most. Time is against us as well. Maybe we are in a game as well and we're a bunch of idiots trying to figure it out. I can not be strong like him. Though he is not real...it feels real, the feels are strong and I cannot do anything to make it better except express my concerns and thoughts. Maybe I am overthinking, oversensitive, and everything else. The sad pictures I find doesn't help, but I cannot ignore it. It's a reminder of the other route that I cannot think about without breaking down. It's just a game, right?
It's just a game...
Part 3: [C] Sans from Undertale FINAL... [Discussion]
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Eh, ignore my babbling. I cannot explain everything that is so great about this story, characters, and self-aware game. Also, I need more happy pictures dammit, I'm going to drown in sorrow. If games were as self-aware, I'm pretty sure I would panic every time I play a game T__T
"Undertale, it's not just a game. Undertale teaches you that murder is not fun. If you kill someone, you kill a Person who is loved, who is waited for, who is someone's family. And... it shows you what a cruel monster humanity could be." ~ ArainMorn
Also, here are just some links to other people thinking the same with art depictions and what Sans might be feeling!:
Unttin7 - fav.me/d9l01c0
GraceFireHearth - fav.me/d9hvxhc
IscaRedspider - fav.me/d9h8a9e
zarla - fav.me/d9dds94 & fav.me/d9md3qe
Smudgeandfrank - fav.me/d9jxmrq
And more, jebus... - xunfortunate-soulsx.deviantart…
Here's a wonderful animation amv of Sans, Papy, Frisk, and others. May it help you understand why this fandom is bittersweet.
sheebal - www.youtube.com/watch?v=piJdM9…
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Yeah my fanart may depict two timelines, and sans anger at the human for what they did. But in a way I understand how he feels. If someone fairly close had suddenly just been taken away, that feeling of that last thread to life just seems gone. There's nothing left to lose, his battle depicts it pretty well.
ive never played the game, but if I did I most likely would do the pacifist route every time.
When they got to papyrus I felt myself bawling my eyes out. The guys sweet, and has the mentallity that everyone can be good. Even if it's just a little. And it reminded me of when I was young. I was bullied a lot, but had it in my head that there was good in the world, but my views changed over time when things didn't seem to change and became repetitive, so in a way it's like I've grown into sans way of thinking over time. The only thing left unchanged that both brothers have is the love and compassion for each other and their friends. It's pretty clear.
The fact it never forget someone shows that actions can never be erased even if you "start over"
in life there's always fights and incidents that cause great pain so some people try to "start over" with friendships and relationships, but the pain is still there, it can't really be forgotten.
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just joking i read the description... heh
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Oh my god, I know precisely how you feel....I hope I never EVER end up doing Genocide...the very idea of even thinking it makes me horrified and saddened...is it any wonder I wish I could just go back in there and tell him everything about resets and help him put a stop to it in different timelines.
I...don't ship myself with Sans either, but you're right, I can't help having an attraction to the guy...I consider him and Papyrus a package deal though(and by extension, many of the other characters, since both Sans and Papyrus do care about some, and the ones they care about in turn care about yet more characters in the game etc.)
They may not be real characters, but our feelings for them are very much real...How I wish they actually existed...
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I wish Sans were real! He, more than anyone, needs a lot of love! So does Asriel/Flowey and Chara!
everyone in the game does!
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And your comments in the description are my sentiments exactly. K3 ALL the hugs for Sans!
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I agree so much, you seem to become attached to these characters once you begin playing Undertale, and the want to play Genocide's "awesome battles" fades away as you realise how hard it is to kill these characters. Even though it's "just a game" it can depict to some situations in the real world.
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It really does and it tests morals, something to which I cannot bend to be just outright murderous or blind to the characters I grew to love, even if it is a 'game'.
Thank you for taking the time to comment <3
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You made me think a lot...
I actually started to play Undertale once again... waiting for the "awesome battle" Sans gives to us at the end of Genocide run...
I left my game before arriving Snowdin... With this, my friend, I think twice... I'm not sure to proceed...
Independant of the fandom, Sans has become a very special character for me (I met him and the game in a very bad moment of my life and I can say he saved me...) but, reading you here... man, I couldn't realized how deep Sans "back story" could be. I mean, yeah, I had an idea of why Sans was this lazy type of guy, but with this, it ... Sans is the very first character that can trasmit his own feelings to you. As you say, everything in Undertale feels so real, and it is "just" a videogame. In general, all videogames are reset... very exagerated, but imagine this... how many videogames characters would feel if they were the same as Sans? My god! It makes you start thinkin' about it.
What I thought of Sans at first was: "Relax and be the best". But with the true pacifist run I also started to think with all that Sans tells you with his Soul inside Asriel: What happened to you that you gave up? It was sad, but at the end he had never lost hope, right? Maybe that's why it's named "true" pacifist run, I guess.
By the way, I really love the meaning of this picture. It transmit a very beautiful bound. Also, it makes me believe and imagine of a reality where gamers and videogame characters could be together.
Sorry for the very long comment. [and about the thing Sans and Papyrus are skeleton monsters. Totally agree!!!]
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I can relate to this.. I've had my fair share of breakdowns from this fandom. I thought of how sweet it was in the beginning but while I was there I noticed..how hurt the characters were. That time after time their walls were built high so that they couldn't get hurt but.. it took a pure heart to help them through it. Even towards the end however, there was still pain. But as you said, only Sans can realize that they're just characters.. that even if he hopes for a better future and he actually gets to see everyone else happy he knows that it will all one day be reset. And there's nothing Frisk/the player can do to put his worries and pain to rest. That realization, that one thought at the back of my mind, kills me,
Sorry that this was kind of long.. I'm just at ease knowing someone else feels this way.
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I'm glad you took the time to comment, I'm glad that there is another who feels the same way.
We don't know if our life is a game in all this, or if it evens matter at all. We come and go.
When all of it was revealed...It makes you think hard. Do the endings really matter? If it can just be reseted? Take all their happiness away just to do it over or...heaven forbid, worse. I honestly don't think we get a happy ending, as a player. Frisk is their own character and when Flowey talks in the end, he's talking to us, not Frisk... In fact, there were a couple indications and situations that he actually talks to the player because...he knows what you did. He knows just like Sans...
Then when they get their supposed happy ending, you're not there. You get a glimpse, but that is about it.
Makes me wish I was a part of their happiness, but sadly I don't think it is that way...
However, I never opened it again after that and could only partially dream that their life is continuing on despite that.
ARGH, the passion!
I'm way too passionate about this game XD
And no worries, thank you for commenting once again!
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Thank you for responding. 
There was this set of quotes from another game (possibly Fran Bow) that my mind kept jumping to as I played through the end and reading what you had to say made me really think back to it. "Your basic sense are easily manipulated, shut them down before going through with anything. Don't let anyone tell you what to think or believe. Be hungry for knowledge and you'll find yourself in constant evolution. That will make you free to cherish every second of your life. Only then you'll really see knowledge is everywhere, even in darkness and silence."
I honestly agree with you, and often think how the entire game is a metaphor for our lives and that's why Sans and Flowey communicate with us. These characters are so influential to the story and the player and can persuade you to do things you may or may not want to do. But then that strikes the big question, "Does it really matter?" When it sets in it leaves you dumbfounded, or at least for me. There's that on going bittersweet love for the game where I want to go back and experience it over and over but then being knowledgeable that I am taking away their happy ending. So the question that really matters to me is, "Is it worth it?" and the answer's no. I couldn't go back and erase everything I did for them.
To me Toriel kind of became a mother figure and I waited an for her for an hour upstairs after she told me to do so but when she didn't come so I realized I had to continue. The other characters, even minor ones, were like close family and friends. I grew to love them, and would give up everything for them. Didn't help that Jack made the character's more personable and lovable giving them voices and sometimes thoughts here and there.
I have had some dreams that I could somehow rewrite the game data and have their souls in my game making the other player's games just games. Then even if they reset, all the souls can be at peace. They can have their happy end without worry. I mean they'd be stuck in a game but no one would be able to change their fate because they can't change my game's data. I wouldn't reset or erase the game file, I wouldn't even open it either.
Thank you for reading and your welcome~
I'm really glad that there's someone I can talk to who isn't trying to shove the Genocide route down my throat and is happy just knowing the pacifist route.
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No worries!
Very interesting and deep quote. Also, Fran Bow, sweet jebus that game makes you go for a loop. And I'm glad that you saw it too. I wouldn't ever do that if given the knowledge I would ruin something in the process, even if it is just a game. It makes me think of other games. If the developers of many RPG games decided to fourth wall break stuff, I'm pretty sure gamers would think a little more before running head long into things.
Jacksepticeye brought more life to it and it certainly made me attach to the characters even more so than usual when I watched him play the pacifist (NEVER going to watch his or anyone else's genocide, NOPE). The little characters made me smile and the way they interacted just makes me think they are one big family, I swear. The Underground is where I would want to live in if I had a choice in the matter. And when the game tears the player away from Frisk, I felt my heart break because I wasn't going to be a part of it... But the influence I chose made everyone happy, and I can live with it.
That is a super sweet dream though kind of twisted because they are stuck in a game sort of speak, but no one can ever take away their happy endings and make them go through such pain, including Sans. If I could do something I would, even if it was a dream...
Hehe, thank you for commenting your thoughts <3
Anytime! I am happy with the pacifist route and will settle with that with you C:
I wish you the best!
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Thanks yet again for reading, I hope you have an excellent (insert time of day)! I'm happy to have been able to share my built up thoughts and dream with someone. Also, thank you for sharing your thoughts on Undertale.
Love to chat with you again,
Jai
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I understand what you just wrote in the description. It caught my attention and it's exactly how I feel. It's painful to see someone suffer this much
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Aww, I'm honored you took the time to read, comment, and can relate <3.
It is terrible and all you want to do is take the suffering away or at least lessen it.
But in this case, it's impossible...sadly
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It is if someone is ALWAYS there for you. I suffer from deeply bad depressions and I pretend that I'm fine while deep inside, I'm not
All you need is people who can understand you, that would care for you, ect... Ok, I'm lying. You can't delete the Depressions away but you can lessen it........Nothing is impossible to do 
Like I always say to myself: NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURRENDER!
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My headcanon is that hp streams for hope points. When you get attacked, you lose hope. Goat dad tells you to "stay determined". If hp is health points, determination isn't going to help me. But if I stay determined, like goat dad says to, then my hope will never fully deplete. It also explains why, when you die, your heart/SOUL breaks. You're heartbroken. Your SOUL (the culmination of your being)has broken down, and you can't go on. Unless, of course, you have enough DETERMINATION.
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I also believe that too! It's like the acronym for "love" - Level of Violence. And "health" - Hope...
Sadly....It makes me think of Sans.... Only 1 Health... Only 1 Hope....
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the last hope
IM NOT SORRY
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no words . . . *speechless* (except the ones you said in the description, that was deep and meaningful. And there is nothing I can say that'll match what you said or anything else just that there is no way I'll ever do the genocide run, ever).
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I am so glad you were touched by my ramblings <3
I also hope you have the happiest of holidays too
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I agree 100%. I can't even watch the boss fight with Sans because it really does break my heart. Just..the things he says during it...No other game has made me feel like this before..
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Yeah. I cannot watch and I cannot do it... T~T
I understand and agree completely.
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Yeah I agree. Sans is a tough cookie, I give him that but that still makes him fragile emotionally and mentally. In a sense... even though, he's surrounded by people he loves all the time, regardless of what run is happening... it feels beyond him feeling alone in the crowd. He's practically isolated from everyone else because of his existence is a shifted to live outside the loop. Not entirely but enough so that he's still effected but remembers. And he has no one... absolutely no one to talk to about these things. No one will remember his words and go on without noticing. Maybe Papyrus would notice a little bit of the shift, but can't quite put his finger on it and act on being as normal as always.
He can't talk to Frisk, even if they're on a pacifist run, cuz there's nothing much they can do to help him since they're influenced by the player. And well... what the player care? It's just a game to them.
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Exactly, you practically summed it all up in one go.
He's alone and while he could tell someone about it, it wouldn't-doesn't matter.
They probably wouldn't understand anyway.
Like you said about Papyrus, he probably wouldn't know what to think of it.
Maybe...Some others can also sense it, but they don't know what to do either.
And yes, his efforts would be wasted.
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Yeah, that's why he doesn't have anyone to talk to. They wouldn't understand and then forget it mostly, so there wouldn't be a point to pour out his feelings if no one's going to remember or understand his frustration and fears. So he keeps it to himself. Papyrus would sense a shift of mood from Sans. He wouldn't understand and getting Sans to open up is about as possible as to stop the resetting from happening. Papyrus may not be the brightest guy, but I believe he's pretty observant of Sans' mood and lack of motivation. Probably why he keeps trying to get Sans to try something. He knows something is wrong with his brother but doesn't know what it is. And I believe Sans doesn't realize his brother is aware of his shift in moods. But that's a guess.
I know that the others would have inklings and hazy recollections of past runs but doesn't deter them to be as normal as always.
All the more reason that Sans really deserves happiness in every sense of the word.
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Yep, exactly.
While Papyrus is about as innocent as an energetic puppy,
I definitely believe Papyrus can sense Sans mood swings, but he definitely wouldn't know what the causes are.
The thought that maybe one time Sans tried to open it up to, it probably didn't go so well.
Not that I would think Papyrus would think Sans is lying, but he might do something about it and well...
Otherwise, he'd probably try to help his brother any way he can regardless because that is how he is.
Call it brother intuition, or if you care about someone so much you start to learn their behaviors.
And as hard as it is to tell what Sans is feeling because of his cursed, fixed smile, I can imagine Papyrus figuring it out.
Sans might fool everyone else, but I doubt he could around his brother all the time.
Yep!
And yes T~~~~T
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Yeah, that's how I see Papyrus. Not the brightest but damnit, he will know something is wrong with you. He may not know what it is but the more you try to hide it, then the more obvious you are to him. Not quite an empath but something similar to that. No, I don't think Papyrus would know if Sans lies, but feel he's not being told the complete truth with Sans being vague or spin the conversation onto something else when it starts to steer in dealing with his issues.
lol Papyrus would do something to help him out, but isn't very graceful about it but even our adorable energetic skeleton will have wisdom to him that most people tend to forget or overlook. Yeah, I'd think Papyrus would figure it out eventually.
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Haha, this fav.me/d9dds94 , this represents your thoughts.
He might not be the most graceful skeleton, but he makes up for it with a big heart.
And it's true, he is often overlooked because of his silliness and big heart, but I wouldn't take it for granted.
Eventually... I just hope he wouldn't do something so drastic or he might give Sans a harder time dealing with all this.
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Yeah, that's what I kinda see him as. I don't think he'd be overlooked but severely underestimated in seeing things in a different perspective. I believe Papyrus, while not understanding or seeing the 'bigger' picture, he can pick up on details others miss by looking at the situation in a more simple matter.
And hugs work well when timed right.
Though at the same time, depending on the situation, Papyrus may have to do drastic things to help him than needed. But even simple hugs can be just be a hard a blow as a drastic gesture.
With Sans often withdrawing and thinking in a pessimistic manner... he could let himself go a little in the hug but then just end up giving him more fear and frustration at the fact that the 'hug' would cease to exist during a reset and hurt him even more. A cycle Sans is trapped in and a cycle of negative thinking he put himself in due to fear and hopelessness.
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I have a feeling people underestimate him in a lot more than a different perspective, but that's just me. He's very observant and while I believe Sans is too, Papyrus has him beat, of course, in a simplistic way and I love him for that. And while hugs can cause a huge positive and negative impact on the person like you said, it is very dependent on the situation. It's not Papyrus's fault in the end since he wouldn't know his undying love would cause Sans more pain should he express more concern for Sans or try to help in some way.
It's a no-win situation while Sans falls into the crippling depression, fear, and hopelessness. The only way I would think Sans would get happiness is if the true pacifist route was done and that the game is never opened again after that. No reset or true reset. Just the happy ending. Which is what I am going to do. Haha, that would destroy replay value, but I have an odd feeling that replay value isn't really the point of this game because playing again isn't the same anyway. The game adapts from the first run.
While I wish I can see him continue to be happy and everyone else post-after, at least, I'll have a peace of mind. The fan-art here destroys me, though.
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No, I don't blame Papyrus if Sans does feel that way after a hug, that is afterall on Sans's part. Papyrus can only do what he knows best and that's just being there for his brother and provide brotherly love in the strongest way possible. But that is true that a lot of people underestimate Papyrus in nearly all fronts besides being the kindest monster in existence. Especially since we don't know the true extent of his powers, and he has absolute control over them to where its scary. (Seriously, I do not want to know what he can do if Papyrus was ever pushed to the point of rage and given a reason to not hold back. To me, Papyrus would be more of a silent fury as Sans is to explosive rage.)
lol I can't do Genocide run... I just don't have the heart for it. After getting that true pacifist ending and seeing them be happy, I just didn't want to touch the game because I don't want to destroy that happiness. XD
The saddest thing I believe from all this is the fact that Sans may never recover from this completely. He can be truly happy and spend his days in peace... but there will be days in which he falls back into his nightmares and fears. Its just something that can't be ever erased or go away. PTSD is a rather sad and frustrating thing to have but at least he'll have people to care for him in his true happy ending.
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It is. And yes, we do not know what he is really capable of and if he ever snapped, probably over Sans death or all of his friends included, I am pretty sure it would be a terrifying sight and not a good thing for anyone (fav.me/d9dio2t ). He really does have a lot of control of her magic and it's pretty obvious in-game when he is attacking you (fav.me/d9gea7d ). Sorry if I am linking pictures, but it helps and is fun <3. A big part of the fandom seems to be aware of this and I am glad that there are possibilities and ideas that could happen should something occur.
Sans is definitely the explosive rage. At first, he may be in control, but all his anger gets boiled down and erupts from being held back for so long.
YAY!!! I am not the only one who thinks that! I cannot do it and won't do it
I have to agree, though. Sans probably would never get over it, I don't think someone could with that kind of emotional and mental trauma. PTSD is sad and distressful for everyone, especially the person suffering it. But, his brother would never leave his side and take care of him when he needs it for the rest of his life <3 (Happy happy!), and he has friends who care about him too, so yes. A true happy ending for him and everyone <3
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Yup! :3 And its no problem, I find it fun to see the pictures.
Not only that, over his friend's and family's deaths but there can be points in which his patience literally runs out. And he's a very hard person to annoy to that point. Even with puns, he gets annoyed by them but at the same time can't help but smile at them. Unless they're puns and jokes that are insulting to those he cares for. But still, Papyrus has the patience of a saint...
To see him just lose it will be terrifying to say the least.
I imagine Papyrus' silent fury being one, where you're just one tiny movement away of him literally snapping; Papyrus will give you this dark look with his orange eye. That's his only warning in which you either step off, give up or pray to god he will end you quickly. After that its
No, for that kind of trauma... its nearly impossible to get over. Lessen the effects at times and even reduce the times it'll appear (unless he sees, hears or something that triggers an episode) but never can fully escape it. Its far too ingrained into who he is now that it can't be removed without heavily altering his personality.
But still, its problem that can be dealt with a day at a time, a price to pay to finally taste a true happy ending.
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I can imagine he has a lot of patience though to the point that the line being crossed for that specifically is almost impossible. He likes everyone and everything except probably those who hurts his friends, and brother especially. I just think since we are unable to see that side of him unless he was switched with Sans duty and curse. Which I wouldn't want anyone to have to go through anyway, and Sans has had enough as it is...
It would be absolutely frightening.
I bet an eye glows fiery red if he is truly angry just like you said, just like his brother and in which case, I'd probably hope for death by either of them if I somehow managed to piss them off. T_T
I wouldn't want to change who he is, but mostly to lessen the blow of his trauma and possible PTSD after/side effects. It is a price that he will pay for happiness with everyone he cares for, but I know he is strong with them around them. So, everything should be fine in the end. <3
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Exactly, its very hard to get Papyrus angry but when he does... even Sans wouldn't be able to calm him down, other than to quickly have everyone leave the area. Probably go as far as grabbing random people and teleport them a safe distance away from Papyrus, and when he feels everyone's safe, go back and try to keep Papyrus where he is. They are the types of brothers wouldn't leave the other behind for anything unless it was absolutely necessary and even then it would be difficult to get them away from each other.
I don't want for Sans to change so much to be happy. He's fine as he is now, perhaps a bit more cheerful now that he's got the Happy Ending everyone even himself wanted, but he's just too used to being as he is now to change drastically. But yeah, I believe Sans wouldn't want to rid of it completely. While he doesn't enjoy it in the least, it can kinda remind him of how truly lucky he is that he's not going to have another reset and have everything ripped away from him. And appreciate what he does have now and revel in each moment of his new life, to not take anything for granted.
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I can imagine that happening. Papyrus loses it and all hell breaks loose. This would terrible hurt Sans having to evacuate the area and possible stand against his brother to try and get to him somehow before possible damage can be done if it hasn't already happened. No, they would never leave each others side, for better or for worse, and if they do get separated or have to leave each other they would possibly wander back somehow, I bet.
True. Hard times is a good reminder and makes life a little more meaningful in perspective. While it is not all that great, it indeed does make you more grateful than you would have without it. Him getting a happy ending is just perfect,
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That it would be both terrifying and hurtful to Sans and to everyone around Papyrus. Though, it would hurt the worst on the brothers. Especially on Paps himself since he'd be horrified at what he done. Yeah, they would find their way back to each other. Though out of brotherly connection to each other, the desperation to check to see if the other is okay and love; or something else entirely that allows him to sort of track each other, if only vaguely.
Heck, I'm writing a story of Paps losing control and Sans in part having to face off against himself, though Papyrus lost control of his magic for it to happen.
Yeah, so to see him with a happy ending is truly the best gift Sans can get.
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Papyrus would be absolutely devasted, I can imagine him taking it pretty hard if he destroys a lot of things and attack a couple friends, but they manage to escape in the end. Whether it be brotherly connection or something vaguely deeper than that, they would stand strong together, for each other indeed.
Ah! I like reading stories about their bond.
However, I can only take so much angst and pain and this fandom is full of it.
I have to have some kind of happy ending or I will avoid mostly everything like the plague.
While most fanfics often turn bittersweet, implying the whole reset thing. I like to avoid that too xD
Yes, that would <3
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Well, I don't know if mine counts as angst or anything THAT sad. lol I'm not too keen on the reset thing. I mean it can happen but to use it in every single fanfic kinda makes it less of a threat and more of an annoyance.
I kinda picture Sans and Papyrus being at the same level of power, its just that I believe Papyrus has greater control over his than Sans does. Again, mostly due to Papyrus never giving up on his dreams and goals, as well as focus on control so he doesn't end up killing someone with his magic. Sans had long since lost hope and is dejected about everything so his focus on his magic is rather... limited, still powerful but explosive with his mood. He has control that's for sure but not as well as Paps does. Plus Sans has no real qualms in killing anyone if they step out his tolerance lines.
Yeah, he would be devastated and even more so terrified of himself. Though depending on the level of destruction and damage he does to his loved ones, would more or less equal out to how badly he reacts to it. Greater the damage, the more skittish he'd be or at least I think so. Until they manage to calm him down and he's back to his old self... mostly. He'll be a bit more wary of his power but not bolt off and hide, like Sans would if he had managed to hurt anyone. But again, that's just my headcanon. xD
Also, Merry Christmas to you, or Happy Holidays.
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Yeah. I have seen too many fanfics using the reset thing as a go-to to try and force some kind of feelings out of the reader. To me, it is an annoyance now as you said and honestly, I don't read those kinds of fanfics anymore UNLESS it is used as a tool instead of a cheap way to get some kind of emotion and the only thing moving the story. Not that I would think you'd do it or think your fics would be nothing but angst and resets, haha.
I completely agree. It would depend on how far Papyrus goes and the aftermath of it. I can definitely see him a bit skittish and hesitant a little bit afterwards, probably thinking he can cause more harms to his friend, and brother even. Eventually, his friends would do an intervention and shower him with love, support, and such to make him feel a bit better. But, of course, it won't get rid of all the mental damage from it. He'd probably be a lot more aware indeed, but definitely not run away from it or everyone. Yeah, Sans would definitely hide or disappear if that happened with him, but not really Papyrus. Maybe in the beginning, but not after some support.
I am almost curious if there are any fanfics where it is the other way around, where Sans gets killed first in a way.
Or just to try and save Papyrus in one timeline, Sans tries to do something different and Chara (the player) strikes him down...
Just to imagine what Papyrus would feel or do, the shock that he might go through.
I HATE the idea of Sans dying, BUT, I would like to see Papyrus go through it, with the reset, have some memories of it happening... and figures out that Sans goes through this more than once. Furthering their bond, mutual understanding, and respect.
Hehehe, thanks! Merry Christmas to you too, or Happy Holidays if you will. :]
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Awww... he could really use that hug. This picture looks so warm and tender, despite the cool colors...
...But now I wanna draw more artwork of me with the characters XD I did one with Undyne, but that's only on my tumblr right now because I haven't finished submitting it here yet (it's a draft on here at the moment).
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He definitely could use a hug <3 from everyone! Including you
I have to say MadJester outdid themselves with this picture at conveying the mood.
Hahaha, no problem!
You can do whatever you want, <3
when you want, okay? C:
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SO..FRIGGEN KAWAII O////O I love this!! And thanks for suggesting that wonderful youtube video of them singing, its so cute!! XD
I wanna draw myself with sans tooo~! 8A8
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