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In the end I was too lazy to finish the picture... My pencil drawings are always kind of sketchy, that's why I'm always having trouble colouring them digitally... Maybe I'll even try to just colour it traditionally instead of using my lame computer >w<Anyway, a little picture belonging to DGM's nonsensical but funny "Zombie Arc". Of course in Ivory Tales (which means girl!Allen) style! *lol*
Chibi!Kanda (dressed up in English fashion thanks to Ellen) needs some help it seems ;3
(The thing she is carrying around is just a random package *lol*)
D.Gray-Man belongs to Katsura Hoshino
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I'm not sure if the twins are that important as to get a background story. I know we saw them fall through the gate, but where did they fall? Allen has the ability to call people back who were deleted with the Arc, but were the Twins deleted or did they manage to get out of the Arc somehow? I don't think Allen called them back along with his friends.
Linali was awesome in her fight! It was the first time I really noticed her as a character. I had previously just viewed her as stereotypical-love interest with a sad past.
It depends on how you explain it. If it is hinted at throughout the story, then you could introduce it. That would make their relationship seem "fated". Who could "that person" be?! I also think he made some sort of deal. But did he make the deal with "that person" or to find to"that person"?
I think Ellen will eventually settle into her marriage with Kanda. I don't think Charlene could dissolved their marriage, if it has been consummated. And she couldn't get the divorce without Ellen wanting one.
When does Charlene accept Kanda?
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Well, even Skinn got a background story! Well, a flashback would have been enough for me to consider the twins done. I am not a big fan of them, but I would like to see how they look in normal clothes...! If they did not make it out of the Ark before it was downloaded then they probably were not called back. But we didn't see Rhode and Tyki crying over them as they did with Skinn. I guess they need to reappear for another battle against Crowley so that everything comes full circle (even though I am not all to keen on seeing another battle like this...)
I did like Linali before as well, even though I was a bit nervous about Allen's interest in her (which seems to have gone back ever since they fought in the Ark...). She was an impressivly strong character, but recently she was a bit too dependant on Allen and Co. I hope this changed during the battle with the level four... I guess we'll see how she behaves during the Istambul mission (hopefully Hoshino returns soon, I am keen on seeing that, even though I would have preferred a Kanda-Allen duo mission without Linali, especially as we have now brushed Kanda's past...)
Hmm... The fact that Kanda says "I cannot die until I find that person" makes me think that it was not "that person" who Kanda made a deal with. I had the idea that, if he was "made" by the Black Order, then all his goals might be connected to the Order's goals as well: Therefore it would make most sense to me if "that person" is simply "the Heart". But I would not really like that, I hope for him to have personal goals and dreams as well...
There are various reasons why Charlene could try to dissolve the marriage; Ellen was not old enough to marry without a guardian's consent, Cross is not her legal guardian, so he has no right to act as one. Then the marriage was made under roman catholic laws and Charlene and Ellen are protestants (or anglicans) and a marriage between people of different confessions was not allowed. I do not know if this is enough to dissolve a marriage (because catholic law did not allow people to divorce), but at least Charlene can hope and try... X3 But it's as you say; there's no sense in trying if Ellen does not want to.
It'll take a while for Charlene to accept Kanda, but she will probably do so sometime after Emily's birth. Her problem is that she does not even know Kanda - she has no idea if Ellen is happy or unhappy with him. And Kanda has no chance to prove his worth because Ellen does not want them to meet as she fears her mother's rejection (but they will meet anyway, Ellen can't prevent it).
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Well, through Skin dying, we saw that the Noah family do have a deep connection to one another. The Noah inside of them cries when one of them dies. Hoshino probably didn't think we needed to know if the twins were dead, and because we saw no one crying over their deaths, we cannot be sure if they lived.
I wonder if Allen will have that connection, and what doe sthe 14th feel towards the Noahs, or does his grudge only extend to the Earl?
This is a shonen manga, so while Hoshino will continue to hint, I don't think Linali and Allen will be canon. I really hope not.
Her battle with the level four was good. I liked how she was on par with Allen. I worried that she would only be able to keep up, because female characters are rarely stronger than the males.
I'm looking forward to their new mission as well. And at least Kanda will be there. I don't think we've seen a mission with Kanda and Linali together (besides the Arc).
Kanda has recently claimed that he does not care about the Order, so I'm not sure if he would have made the deal to help them. Or maybe at one point he did make the deal for the Order, and now resents them for it... I really wish we have more information.
The Earl's comment about The Heart is interesting. He says the user is aware that he/she is the Heart and is hiding. I really do hope it isn't Allen...
But would Charlene dissolve a marriage of Ellen was pregnant? That seems to be the biggest motivation to keep the marriage. I think after the couple have slept together, it cannot be annulled. Though there would be several laws that would make their marriage void...
Kanda has to know that Charlene has a lot of power over Ellen, will he ever confront Charlene by himself? I can imagine Kanda visiting Charlene, possibly while he was one a mission, and talk to her.
To Ellen, the longer she postpones Kanda and Charlene's meeting, the happier Ellen will be. If she already knows her mother will be anry and reject Kanda, there is no point. Though Ellen will have to let her mother know she will never marry Tyki. Or she could use it to meet with Tyki and try and kill him...
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I wonder about the 14th. He tried to kill the Earl but I guess few of the current Noah were around that time. They should not really hold a grudge against someone they do not know but they might still feel betrayed (at least their Noahs might). Rhode probably knew the 14th (there has also been speculation whether they might have had some sort of relationship). We also have no clue why the 14th decided to revolt, it's still pretty unclear...
I really don't want Linali and Allen to become canon, I can't even imagine it at this point. I see more chances for one of the other guys. But, hrm, Shonen manga probably don't focus on relationships (unless its a "boy wants to get girl" kind of plot). Ohh! Now that you mention it, I'm very keen on seeing Kanda and Linali interact on the battlefield!
Well, I was a bit surprised by the "I don't care what the order does / I don't care about the order" (seen both translations) line. But one could interpret it as him not minding as long as he can do his duty. He also said to Allen that he "does not care" (but we don't really know what he's relating to).
I wouldn't mind Allen being the Heart though (better than Linali in my opinion... but females often have some kind of key power)
Well, Charlene would if she could find a man who'd take Ellen despite the child. Or she would wait for the child to be born and then try to remarry Ellen. Certainly, Charlene does not want Ellen to have an illegitimate child.
I think Kanda is well aware of the influence Charlene has on Ellen's life. He even approved of it once, saying that it's logical for a daughter to be obedient to her mother until she's married, then it's the husband's duty to care for his wife.
Kanda might want to confront Charlene to prove that he's worth it and that Ellen is in good hands now. But it might not be the best of ideas to do that without Ellen being present (I'm sure Ellen would be cross with Kanda)
Tyki and Ellen will meet to "discuss", but I doubt that there will be bloodshed - yet.
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It was strange that the Noah clan does not have a lot of information on the 14th. I'm not if the Noah clan naturally aligned themselves with the Earl. I think the Clan, as a whole, decided to.
Hm, the 14th had a very close relationship to his human brother, Mana. Maybe he did not want to see him brother die? When Skin became a Noah, he had everyone who he knew murdered. Maybe that it standard for a Noah, but the 14th couldn't kill his brother (?). I really wish we had a better understanding of his character. At first, when he woke up in Paris, he was smiling but it looked pained. But when he woke up briefly at the Order, he looked very serious.
Shonen manga tend to be ambiguous. The two characters end up liking one anther, but never actually confess in the story. But those are manga written by men, so I'm not sure what Hoshino will do. I seriously hope they do not add romance to the story. I would prefer Rabi and Linali, if I had to chose.
I wonder how Kanda and Linali fight together. Kanda has already said that he respects her, so they must work well.
Kanda seems fixated on the idea that they have to complete the mission no matter what, but I would have thought it was because he was so loyal to the Order. So, maybe he has a higher motivation for following the Order.
I remember one chapter title has Kanda saying "no matter what the orders are, I'll fulfill them".
He also said "I don't care" to Allen. Maybe that he did not care whatever was happening to Allen, but do not get in his way.
I would prefer that Linali was the Heart. I think it is too cliche for Allen to have all of the special powers.
Well, Kanda does say that Ellen has obligations to her mother, and later husband. But Kanda is now that husband.
I think Kanda would like to have a one-on-one talk with Charlene, without Ellen's interference. With Ellen in the room, I'm not sure if Charlene and Kanda would be able to speak their minds fully. I don't think Kanda would like going behind his wife's back, but maybe Charlene could request it.
Will Ellen secretly go and confront Tyki?
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Yes, I agree. The whole family is allied with the Earl. That's why it comes as a surprise that the 14th went against them. But the entire existance of the 14th is already confusing; there should only be 13 Noahs after all... It's not surprising that they don't know him that well.
Well, Tyki didn't kill his friends either, I guess it highy depends on what kind of memory they carry; Tyki could still derive pleasure out of his human friends, so why should he get rid of them? We don't know what kind of memory the 14th carried, but it was said that everyone but his brother abandoned him. If I remember correctly that is... I found that when he woke up at the order was somehow a break with the idea I had formed of the 14th of someone a bit comical (even in a very morbid, dark way): he had always been shown as a grinning, floating shadow...
I would be contend with hinted at romance (or of course, I'd approve of things like Mari and Miranda, or Linali and Rabi. And Kanda and Allen, but that's probably not going to happen). I guess that Linali and Kanda fight well together, I wonder if he's also that strict with her as he was with Allen. He knows that she's strong, so he might not have troubles figthing with her.
Maybe he did mean "do not get in my way" when he said that he didn't care... But Allen then said that he probably irritated or made Kanda angry. So Kanda might feel a bit uneasy about Allen's ambiguous position (because Kanda's not an ordinary exorcist either... And they are similar after all). I think that Allen can rely most on Kanda (and Link) when fighting. He might be reassured of their presence because he knows that they would hold him back (or kill him) should he ever do anything against his own wishes. Though I was surprised of Kanda's reaction towards the 14th...
Well, I don't mind a strong Linali being the heart. But if she'd just be reduced to some sort of holy tool that both sides try to get and use without her being able to take her own actions, that's be tedious for me to read... Of course it's cliche for Allen to receive all the super powers. But for Allen I'll probably accept every new boost. Well, maybe he's one of those "fake hearts" that the Earl mentioned...
A Charlene-Kanda talk might be interesting... I don't really have anything set in stone yet about how to proceed with that. But I think that all three of them should talk as well, if they only talk about Ellen without giving her the option to voice her own concerns, that'd be unfair towards her.
Ellen will confront Tyki but not secretly. She'll be accompanied by her mother (who doesn't know that Tyki's an enemy) and an exorcist, probably Cross (who doesn't know that her potential fiancΓ© is Tyki).
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Even in the Noah Clan, the 14th is a mysterious figure... I always suspected that the 14th isn't a Noah that shows up in the Clan often, as reincarnated, so that the 14ths appearance in the Clan could be a sign that the end of the world is near.
The Clan seems to act as a whole and has decided to side with the Earl. But the 14th must have disagreed, but did not join up with the Order. I guess he might have known what the Order was doing (horrible experiments) and decided the Order was not the "good" side.
Maybe the 14th was insane? When Skin became a Noah, he had all of those terrible memories forced on him, and he did not seem mentally stable.
Yeah, that very serious face did not seem like the 14th we had seem before. He had always seemed cheerful and maybe wistful- but it could have been "I'm laughing at your pain, Allen" kind of way. I figured the 14th would be morbid.
I wonder, does the 14th know that Mana is dead?
That is a good concern for making Linali the Heart. That Linali would be reduced to a figure that needed to be saved-but that would be typical of shonen managa. I thought it might be interesting if it were Lavi, who isn't supposed to even have a heart.
I adore MarixMiranda as a pairing. They might be the healithiest couple in all of DGM.
Well, we haven't seen any of the exorcists out-right reject Allen. Maybe because they have been ordered to keep up appearances, but there doesn't seem to be much malice. I expected Chaoji to have said something rude by now, maybe in front of the staff. But Kanda seemed to have just been warning Allen, that he would not pity Allen for becoming a Noah, and that it had better not be a weakness in a fight.
The problem with a talk between Charlene, Kanda and Ellen is that I don't they either Kanda or Charlene will give Ellen a real chance to talk about her concerns. I think that Ellen would not tell her husband her worries about their marriage, or admit to her mother that it was a bad decision and a bad marriage. If she says anything that Kanda takes offense to, he will bring it up later.
Ellen's best option when confronting her mother is to act like her marriage to Kanda is a good thing, even if she does not feel that. Acting remorseful and contrite would just give Charlene more right to condemn her for her choice.
But what good is confronting Tyki like that. Tyki will immediately know who Ellen is, and it would only endanger her mother. And to bring a exorcist general to the meeting without telling Cross could be insulting and also dangerous.
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We just don't know what the 14th's aim is. Does he want to help humans or does he have a different plan in mind? There must have been something about the Earl's plan that he did not like (or maybe he was just mad and wanted world domination for his own *lol* but I doubt it). Well, the order with their way of seeing humans as only tools doesn't seem like a better option. For his host he did choose a human with Innocence though (if Allen already had Innocence back then - he should because he says that he's been born with it)...
Well, if the 14th had seen anything through the eyes of Allen then he must know that Mana is dead. But he seems to have little regard for Allen anyway as Allen is nothing more than a host to him who will then make him "reincarnate". But if I understood correctly he will use Allen's body and just "Allen" will be dissovled by him. But I found it slightly fascinating that the 14th does seem to look differently than Allen does (with his wavy hair and different face / expression)
Hm... Or Kanda who is always acting so cold-hearted *lol*. I had a theory that it cannot be Kanda, Rabi, Crowley or Chao Zhi because they were temporarily "dead" while they were downloaded. If they had held the heart then that means that the power the Heart gives to the other Innocence pieces would have disappeared as well. But as they weren't really dead (only trapped in a void between dimensions - which actually equals dead for me) this might not be a valid explanation. So far only Linali and Allen have shown abnormal Innocences - maybe Timothy as well because his seems to even have a personality... But for the plot I wouldn't really like that.
Mari and Miranda are great, because I think Mari can make up for Miranda's fears of being incompetend (because he seems to be calm, collected and mature...) I think we have no other pairings in DGM that are really obvious. I think Rabi's love for Linali is obvious, but it seems to be one-sided. Ah, and we had Crowley and Eliade, but I think that Crowley won't find another partner because his Eliade is gone... Oh, and there's Rhode's infatuation with Allen...
Well, to reject Allen would also be a bit thoughtless because he is a valuable fighter after all and without him they cannot control the Ark and having a Noah on their side might be good for them as well (as long as he doesn't turn against them, but I guess that's just a probability and not a must)
I think that Ellen will choose to not whine about her marriage to Charlene. If her mother was here right now (before they actually married) she might because she can still hope that Charlene can do something about it. But Ellen would not want to be a foolish little girl who can't even make good decisions when in a bad situation. And Charlene might be angry with Kanda if Ellen complained about her marriage...
Hm, I think that the chance of Tyki not making a scene (he will know that it is Ellen before they meet) is higher when they are interacting as people of the high society in a high society place. After all the Earl has an interest in Ellen as the musician and Ellen as the daughter of Charlene. He should act wisely if he really wants to get her - there might still be a chance that Ellen will forsake her position as exorcist and become a Noah (or if not a Noah then a collaborator). Cross just has to come with her because the order doesn't allow people to meet with their family. They have to make sure that she'll come back after meeting her mother.
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Maybe the 14th did not know that Allen was an exorcist? But I actually find that highly unlikely.
True, we have no idea what his true intentions are or what his goal is. The 14th is very mysterious, and I want to know more.
I hope Allen doesn't physically change as the 14th takes over. I'm fine with wavy hair and different facial expressions, as long as the face is Allen's. I suppose to the 14th, Allen is his very own sacrifice for a greater good/his own plans. After all, remember what Allen would have been like when the 14th met him. Allen was not a nice kid. Cross said the 14th should have picked someone useless who no one would miss, and an argument could be made that Allen originally fit that description. However, through Mana, Allen was redeemed.
I wonder when the 14th found out Mana was dead. The 14th is now inside Allen, watching, but how much information does he know?
We will find out eventually who the Heart is. Though I did not count them dead because they were in the void. If the Arc had been fully downloaded, then they would have been dead.
I almost paired Crowley with Miranda, because any potential children would be so weird/funny. But Crowley would never get over Eliade. Though I adore Miranda and Mari. He is very calming- did you seem him blush when Miranda bit him!
Allen and Rhode would be a very unhealthy relationship. And it does seem that Lavi might have feelings for Linali.
Well, the Order would only execute the 14th if he goes against the Order. Leverrier said they would keep Allen for the time being. The 14th is very valuable to the Order- he can use the Arc and will have information about the Earl (and maybe information about the true purpose of the akuma).
Charlene would probably forgive Ellen, but forever hate Kanda for taking advantage of Ellen. But I suppose Ellen does not want to present her husband and a mistake to her mother.
I suppose that makes sense. Why would Tyki kill her if he finds her interesting and could become a useful tool. And it would be good politics not to kill the Bermonts. And Ellen is not become the previous 14th, but a new one. She won't necessarily have any loyalty to Mana's plan to kill the Earl.
Will Emily be born before or after Ellen awakens as a Noah?
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True, nobody would miss the Allen as he was before. Only through Mana (and maybe the fact that the 14th uses him as a host) did he become a person one would regret losing - he has made friends, cares about them, has his own goals (probably, most of what he does was influenced by other people) and is valuable for other people... Losing him would be terrible, while losing brat!Allen would not have made a difference to the world...
Well, it still remains unclear how much the 14th knows. We saw him for the first time in the Asia Branch (when Allen had his dream after being nearly killed by Tyki) and then he appeared again in the Piano Room until he "awakens" during the fight with the Level Four... I do think that he knows some bits and pieces of what Allen's been doing and what has been going on around him. If Mana is also some part of Allen (via the curse) then he might know that Mana has died (but it's slightly strange that he didn't appear then - but probably Hoshino didn't plan that far)
I too nearly paired Crowley and Miranda, but I think this relationship would have been unhealty (like Rhode and Allen, but Allen doesn't have any interest in her and I have a feeling that out of the Noahs he knows he really dislikes her for what she did during their first encounter in the Rewinding Town Arc)... I loved Mari's reaction to Zombie!Miranda biting him X3
Emily will be born after we have a first glimps of Ellen as the 14th (as Ellen will still participate in the Phantom Thief G Arc but then stop being an exorcist for some months due to her pregnancy) but before she entirely turns into a Noah. At least that's what I have planned, things might change depending on how the Manga continues and what I'll do now that I'm distancing myself further from the real plot...
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I always wondered what DGM would have been like if Allen had not met Mana, was not redeemed, and still ended up at the Order.
Mana was a positive influence on his life and how he grew up, but I expected Allen to backslide into his rude and distrusting self when he learned of Mana's deception.
Before Mana, Allen's experience with other people was abusive and he could not trust other people. But when Mana entered his life, didn't it show Allen that some people are good? I think this might have enabled Allen to trust other people, in hopes that someone out there would be like Mana. Finding out that Mana had a hidden agenda did hurt Allen, as it is shown in his dream, where Mana slowly replaced his name with another...
Hm, the 14th probably does know about Mana's death. I wonder, what if that knowledge drives him insane? Cross said that's what happened to Mana after his little brother had died.
Crowley and Miranda would have driven each other insane, more so than they already are.
Well, Rhode is just a destructive person anyway.
It is very difficult to get a good feel for the DGM time line. I've tried to figure out how much time has passed since Allen joined the Order, to be able to say how far along Ellen would be in her pregnancy by the Phantom Thief Arc. It does not seem to be much long after the first level fours attack on the Order. But I always wonder, how does everyone heal so fast! (or does the Order send them out before they are properly healed, or do they all heal fast because of advanced medicine or something to do with their exorcist abilities).
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Well, without Mana Allen might have turned out similar than Kanda is now; he does his duty, but it would probably have no deep emotional impact on him. He would not really care about the human souls tormented by the Akuma and he would not care about human tragedies behind them. He probably would't have cared to save Suman either. Even though Allen didn't allow himself to care about humans (because he cared about Akuma) he still did in the end. An Allen without them would not have been able to, but maybe such a ruthless person would have been even stronger (but how could his weapon evolve without his determination that he also wants to protect and not only destroy?)
Well, the 14th already looks a bit insane to me... But I think he is still sober enough to be cold and calculating (that's how the 14th looked to me the last time we saw him) if he needs to. I wonder if he has any attachment to the body that hosts him...
I know that problem; it's really difficult to form a time line during DGM, especially as - as you have mentioned - people seem to heal very fast and their journeys all over the world seem to take so short. But one can't travel from Germany to China in a mere few days, that's just not possible without a plane (or without the Ark). We know that the mission to Germany was three months after Allen first came to the order, then the next thing we know is that the phantom thief G stuff happens three months after Cross' disappearance (or something like that, I am not sure).
Well, I thought that Ellen would be about 6 to 7 months pregnant by the time they have their mission in Paris. Of course, she can't do as many reckless things as Allen can... But I think that thanks to Crown Clown she can still push herself to the limit. It might just not be that wise to stab herself with her blade when she's pregnant even though her child should not be hurt anyway...
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Well, we don't need two Kanda in the Order... I always figured that Allen would not have cared for others if it were not for his curse. He woudl not have cared about the akuma, but his curse probably affected how he saw himself. He might have joined the Order because of the promise of food and shelter. I think as an orphan, the promise of food, warmth and no one beating him, and he woudl have willingly joined the Order.
The Order means different things to others: to Linali, it was a prison, but to Allen (at a similar age) it could have been a refuge or a god send.
He might have become loyal to the Order itself (not the people) because it would have bee the Order that had saved him from the streets. He probably would not have cared much for akuma.
I doubt the 14th cares much for Allen. He is eating away at Allen's memories. He just might hate Allen. I also prefer a cool and calculating 14.
It is a strange time line. I just don't think it is possible to travel that quickly in the 19th century.
Well, during the Phantom Thief Arc, maybe the sword could cut through her chest, and not her abdomen.
She will still get that long scar. It could lead to another complex. Kanda does not have a single scar on his body (because of his curse), while Ellen is very cut up. I think she would feel a little embarrassed or ashamed of it. personally, I like the look of scars- I think they testify to strength and a person shouldn't feel ashamed over them. But Ellen, living in a society that places a high value of beauty, would feel bad.
Though it would be odd to have Ellen running around at 7-8 months along.
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Well, of course, but it's kind of sad for Allen. First Mana seems to abandon him (because he only seemed to have cared about his brother anyway) and now the 14 is trying to take him over. It would have been nice to see the 14 express some kind of regret that "Allen" will vanish (even if it's only short-lived). Not that I really think that the 14th will erase Allen.
No, definitely not. If one thinks that railways were only set up in the 19th century (or second half of the 19th century) and one had to travel via train, ship and carriage (or whatever means, be it elephants or camels). It even took a long time to travel within a country if there were no established rail roads. And I think the travel though China must have taken a very long time to accomplish, but we are never shown...
Hm, I think the scar does go through the shoulder and chest anyway. She'll just need to stab herself a bit higher up *lol*. But it's still very reckless. Kanda certainly will not approve of such actions...
Very true! The scar must be a bad thing for Ellen, especially contrasted against her husband. Kanda will probably feel sorry for Ellen as well, of course he'll still love her no matter how her body has to suffer under the consequences of her fighting. But he would prefer her to not be faced with any wounds or scars...
Ellen doesn't really want to be a soldier, she can't measure her worth according to the scars she had (if she was born a son of the Walker / Bermont family then she might have done so) - but all the Generals have scars. So they do equal strenght and battle experience... Within the order Ellen shouldn't be ashamed of any of them...
*lol* yes, I guess seven months is really the upper limit of fighting, she'll not be able to move that well I guess... (even though I saw a pregnant woman dancing wildly in the disco yesterday. It already seemed odd... But dancing is not fighting... *lol*)
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I'm a little upset that Allen hasn't fully rejected Mana... I think any normal human would have after discovering this betrayal, so I find it unrealistic that Allen still clings to Mana's "love". But it also highlights how broken Allen really is. Allen needs Mana to love him, he doesn't seem to worried about the love his friends feel for him.... He doesn't seem to worry that his friends will abandon him...
The railways would not have been that efficient in the 19th century to travel that quickly. there would have been breakdowns and frequent stops. The rail tracks would have meandered a lot, slowing them down. the trains would not have gone to small towns or undeveloped countries.
I think the team went by boat partway through China.
Well, Ellen was actually hurt when she pulled her stunt. Her plan was to pin the level 4, but it actually ended up wounding her. I think Kanda would realize the implications of this, but I think Ellen will avoid at all costs Kanda seeing her scar.
A large scar, and the many other small ones she must have by now, all add up against her. She must realize now that with so many scars and her odd appearance, a second marriage would be impossible. And Kanda does accept how she looks, maybe it might bring them closer together? Or Ellen could be terrified her scars would repulse Kanda (who is very handsome and blemish-free) and worry that she will push him into the arms of Emilia...
Well, no one in the Order is going to point out how ugly her scars are, or what they mean in terms of marriage. In fact, Ellen may not think of what her scars might look like to others. It might be her mother who first mentions it to her.
When you consider the changes a human body undergoes at 7-8 months pregnancy, I don't think Ellen will have an easy time moving around. She is very tiny: she would probably experience pain in her hips and lower back, and her ankles would be swelling... everyone I know says that pregnancy is very fulfilling, but they never bring this stuff up...
There has been a shift in society, where once you hid pregnancy and did not draw attention to it. Today, it is something that is brought attention to. There are shops with fashionable maternity clothes.
In the 19th century, child birth was seen as a form of labor, something you did for the country. Today, it is very personal.
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Mana was all that Allen had, without his love he cannot go on walking. He does need to believe in Mana, because not believing in him would mean that he would also need to give up on all the things Mana taught him (like to continue walking his path) and the own part of himself that was shaped by Mana.
I felt it was heart-wrenching to see how Allen said that he needed Cross to just tell him that everything's fine and that he could continue believing in Mana. It's true, Allen is quite broken... It's sad that he can't rely on his friend's feelings for him more. But I guess that he recovered a bit by the time they are in Paris, because he can then say that he will make his own path.
I also thought that they must have taken the boat for a bit part of China travelling, but it must have taken a long time...
Ellen can't really avoid Kanda seeing the scar; maybe not right after the battle, but he would be suspicious if she refused to take off her clothes in front of him. Allen had no problem openly showing the scars when Link was around (but Link's furniture anyway *lol*)
Poor Ellen! With all those fears! But I think by the time they are in Paris she must be much more secure than she is now. She would still have her shy and insecure moments, but would overall be back to her strong personality (at least that's what I hope). But she might have nightmares about Kanda going to Emilia!
And true, I guess there is no other husband who could overlook her "flaws" - unless it was someone connected to this whole secret war who would know what it means to be an exorcist and who could appreciate Ellen and her efforts. Uhm, which means that Kanda really is the best option.
Her mother should be uses to seeing scars on a man's body, but might be very unhappy to find them on Ellen's. She should have that fate, so I guess that Charlene would not say anything harsh to Ellen about them, but Ellen might still feel bad about letting her body be blemished.
I guess women forget (or ignore) how hard it was to be pregnant once the child was born, but recall it when they are pregnant a second time. It would be bad if a lot of women said that pregancy was too much of a hassle to go through for a second time!
But it's true that Ellen's movement should be restricted, maybe the mission justs needs to be set a month earlier: it doesn't really matter because there was nothing happening during these months that Hoshino skipped...
I am always surprised to see how pregnant woman show their pregnancy as openly as now. And all those mothers having fancy clothes and fancy baby buggies and go to fancy get-together with their over-dressed babies XD It somewhat strange.
But I fully agree that pregnancy was seen as something very different back then; also, men weren't allowed to be inside the room when a child was born (still in 1986 when I was born my father wasn't allowed inside either, so this feeling of privacy was quite hard to get rid of it seems). Kanda certainly is upset that he has to wait in front of closed doors.
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I suppose the alternative, where Allen accepts that Mana used him, would not have a good outcome. Allen might even become a Fallen One.
Maybe Allen would have been content to be lied to. He wanted Cross to tell him Mana did care for him, just so he could continue.
In the end, Mana is the one that matters most to Allen, so his friends are still in second place. He doesn't need their support like he does Mana's. He also brought Mana back from the dead, and to know he got himself cursed by Mana, who didn't even love him, must be agonizing.
Men might have different attitudes towards scars. In some cases, I've heard of men pouring alcohol onto wounds so that they would scar (the Heidelberg Scar). It can be a sign of how tough and strong a man is. For a woman, a scar is seen as a blemish and something that can ruin them. And Allen is capable of talking about Mana in front of Link now, because he only sees Link as furniture~ Allen can be very catty when he wants to...
But for Ellen, I think she would go to great lengths so Kanda would not see that large scar, even if Kanda would not think less of her for it.
I'm glad by Paris, Ellen and Kanda might have worked out their relationship. But there are going to be moments of backsliding and feeling insecure. I think Emilia has given up on Kanda in the manga (she did yell insults at him after he threatened Timothy, so I think she got over her brief crush) but even then, I think Ellen will worry about Kanda going to Emilia.
Ellen has a good idea of what society expects of her, and that means no scars. I think that when Charlene sees all of the scars on Ellen, and realizes that Kanda accepts them, Charlene might accept their relationship. No other man would accept Ellen with so many blemishes and Charlene must know that.
I'm not sure if Ellen has realized it fully, but if she had not slept with Kanda, then she would have died when Tyki tried to kill her in China. Tyki, who Charlene wants her to marry. She has to realize eventually that sleeping with Kanda led to a good thing.
There has been a shift in perception of pregnancy. There were a bunch of euphemisms used so no one might even know if a friend of family member was pregnant. It was kept secret, but the christening party was a very big event.
I'm not sure what Canada's policy about husbands being in the delivery room was. My parents don't talk about it. But I think if the couple requested it, then it was allowed.
I remember reading a book where a woman says that men have no place in the delivery room. They see their wives in pain and feel really bad about it and soon after start having affairs. I'm not sure if that's true, but it could have been a reason used to keep men out of the delivery room. And Ellen certainly would not like Kanda seeing her in such a state. Maybe she could ask Lavi to keep Kanda away from the room, to go out and get Kanda drunk or something.
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Being lied to (even though he knows that it's lies) might still be better than giving up everything one knew...
Well, the body was a selling point for women, their beauty and bodily health was important - and it still seems very important today.
Poor Link, why did he become furniture?? But I found that scene very funny - Link and Allen got close quite fast even though Allen gets supervised by Link. Aah, I wish Kanda and Allen would do the same... Fangirl wishes...
Of course, Ellen's pregnancy was good for Ellen, but she is not aware of it yet. Bak told her that the child probably saved her life, but still, Ellen would rather get rid of it. Well, as soon as she's married to Kanda she cannot afford to think such thoughts... Still, I am not sure when Ellen should develop positive feelings for her child, probably when she allows herself to love Kanda...
Well, there might be various reasons why men had to stay outside... I'm sure that Ellen wants Kanda to stay outside as well, because it's not proper to her, even though she might have wanted him to be with her...
*lol* getting Kanda drunk sounds fun, but I think he wouldn't allow himself to do anything but wait anxiously. He does have to share his wife's pain, if not physically, then at least emotionally *lol*
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At least with the lie he can continue to live. Allen has already given up a lot doing as Mana said, it would be pointless to give up now.
Yes, but ideals of the body do change. For the 19th century, women were supposed to be pale. but today, paleness is associated with ill health and having a tanned body is desirable.
The body could be used to get a husband (without necessarily having too have sex).
I guess Allen means that he is so used to having Link around all of the time, he does not notice anymore. Allen feels free to talk about Mana, something he woudl never do in front of his friends.
If Allen and Kanda were together all the time, they would just argue. But we can wish.
Loving Kanda probably means loving their child as well. and I can't imagine Ellen hating children in general, and she must have wanted children at some point (even of she feels it is much too early). Maybe her friends will put a positive spin on it. Like buying baby clothes or choosing names? That can help expectant mothers bond with their unborn child.
I also read that men reacted badly if the baby was stillborn. And there really isn't much for a husband to do during birth, is there? Today a man can video tape the experience and hold his wife's hand. With no medical training, Kanda would only be able to stand around and watch her suffer. And labour can take several hours to days... Kanda will want to be drunk, at least a little, while he waits.
I doubt he would want to leave Ellen alone, and if being on the opposite side of the door makes him feel he is there for her... Maybe Lavi or Cross would suggest a drink?
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I once checked and the only person out of Allen's friends who knew about Allen and Mana is Rabi (because he was present when the Bookman treated Allen's eye). I don't know if Komui knows, but everybody knows that Allen's been cursed... And Link knows as well but it's as you said; he can't talk about Mana to other people. I wonder why. I doubt that he fears them to judge him for it. Maybe Kanda would, but Kanda also knows that whatever was dearest to Allen is already gone, so maybe he would just "not care".
Ellen certainly was not aversed to having children because it was a major concern to her. She did see her future in being a wife and mother. Of course it's a bit early now, but the main reason she cannot like her child yet is because it was undesired and the proof of her disobedience... A child means accepting responsibility... Kanda certainly does even though he didn't consider having children that early... Who knows how important it is for him to continue his family line.
Well, of course, her friends could help her accept and bond with her child.
Well, sitting around for about 20 hours is certainly not doing Kanda much good... He certainly needs Linali and Rabi to be there for him (and well, maybe some alcohol would also calm him down). I guess Cross would be more in favor of "save the wine for later" *lol* Not only the mother has to suffer during childbirth, let the father have some of the troubles as well - even if it's just not getting any sleep and being anxious! But a drink should be allowed X3
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Yeah, Allen did tell Rabi and Bookman about Mana. But Allen did not elaborate on his past. I'm not sure if the Bookmen are obligated to tell Komui or anyone information. Bookmen only record history, they don't tell many people abut it. If Allen doesn't tell anyone who Mana is, then the Bookmen are the only ones capable of revealing it.
It's hard to say if Kanda is concerned with his family line... Hoshino has not revealed if Kanda is his real name. It could be a name given to him by the Order... Most cultures have anxiety about continuing their bloodlines. But if Kanda had accepted dying young and not finding a wife, then it may not have been something he really considered or thought much about. For the first time, he may be thinking about continuing his family line.
I have my doubts that Ellen will be able to bond with her child. After all, Ellen is very young and really didn't want a child. But now that she is properly married, she might be able to relax and look forward to her child's birth.
Maybe Ellen can request that Komui send Kanda on a mission when she goes into labor? But Kanda might be too distracted to go on a mission, and he would want to be there when his first child was born. Rabi and Linali might also want to see their little niece. Komui might even request that Linali be in the delivery room (to show her how terrible having children would be, so she would never want a husband).
A stiff drink might relax Kanda when he has to wait all of those hours... by the first ten hours, Kanda would be very stressed and liable to snap and attack a finder.
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I think the Bookmen don't have to tell anything to anyone. Bookman might only have agreed to tell Komui all he knew about the Noah clan because it was necessary for the Order to be informed and prepared - Bookman and Rabi are a part of its structe as well after all, at least for the moment. But I doubt that Bookman would say anything to Komui which was not immediately connected to something really important.
But I think the Vatican knows about Mana... I don't know how they got that info though...
Well, the Kanda in the Manga might not care about passing on his genes or his name (if it is, as you mentioned, his real name...) The Kanda in Ivory Tales probably would like to pass on the name, even though he's not fond of who he is. Especially with Ellen, having children becomes an option, maybe not because he wants to continue his family line but because he wants to build up a new family with her. It is probably also some kind of identity forming to create a family of your own.
I doubt that Kanda would be able to go on a mission when Ellen is giving birth. I could totally see Komui trying to scare Linali so that she never takes a husband *lol*
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Leverrier doesn't seem to like the Bookmen, because he knows that they are not really one their side. I think Devi seemed surprised when he saw Rabi on the Arc and remarked that the Bookmen were siding with the Order (meaning, they might have worked alongside the Earl in the past...). And the older Bookman seems to have an interest in Ellen, the Destroyer of Time, so he is probably excited to have such exclusive information about Ellen.
I figure the Vatican found out about Mana through the 14th's follower, who betrayed them and went to the vatican for protection.
I suppose if Kanda never had a real family before (because of past circumstances and his rejection of Theodore) he might welcome the idea of having a real family. Most cultures put a great importance on getting married and having children.
In the West, it has been historical for women to build their identities around being mothers and wives, and less about men becoming husbands and fathers.
But Kanda could genuinely look forward to a family especially if he had not hoped for one (not because he did not want one, but because it seemed impossible).
Ellen is so tiny, she probably would not be able to carry a child to 9 months, so she might deliver early. There might be no predicting when the child will really arrive. So Kanda might be one his way to a mission, or coming back from one when Ellen delivers.
I'm not sure if Komui would use scare tactics to frighten Linali from entertaining the idea of having a child... Well, actually I could see it. He is eccentric enough to insist his sister be there for the duration.
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I also think that the Bookmen do only choose sides out of convenience (maybe they recorded history out of the Earl's or the Noah family's perspective before) and only stay as long as they need to. Moving on is no problem to them - or it should be, but Rabi seems to be troubled now...
Of course, the destroyer of time must be a very interesting topic to record (and the more little, private information the better)
Probably, yes. The follower must have known that the 14th had a brother and the Vatican seems to have a lot of ways to gather information.
And, having a family provides Kanda with a reason to survive the war - which is always good. It might just give him new perspectives or different priorities. Not only Ellen would appreciate Kanda not being all to reckless when fighting simply because he cannot die (yet).
I already wrote a first draft of Emily's birth and Kanda does indeed just come back from a mission. I also thought that she might give birth earlier than after 9 months (maybe the fact that the 14th awakened would put a lot of strain on her body... With the possible internal conflict between Innocence and Noah genes...)
I could well imagine that Linali never marries, not only because of Komui but also because I like to pair her with Rabi and that relationship could be quite difficult in itself...
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They seem to change sides as they please. Though it confuses me as to why the Bookmen would side with the Earl, who wants to end the world, and the reason for their profession in the process).
To come back from a mission and to find his wife in labour would be very stressful for Kanda.
I can't imagine Ellen getting through 9 months. I think the 14th awakening would certainly cause some problems with her body. Especially the relationship of dark and light matter in a body that it already in a difficult state as it is.
Hm, Linali does not seem to be in a hurry to marry anyone. As well, at this point of time, it is probably better to be an unmarried woman. They lived longer, traveled more and had a tendency to write.
Of course, if Linali was involved with Rabi, it would make getting married difficult. He is not supposed to have a heart or get involved with people.
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Well, it must be connected with that hidden side of the war. I don't think that the Earl wants to destroy the world; but he has become the enemy of humanity. He'll probaly wipe them out again to populate the Earth with another sort of human. What I find strange though it that humans after the Flood should actually all be decendants of Noah, so why is the Earl opposed to them, even though he and the Noah clan are currently (?) on the same side? I can't tell if that means anything or if it's just something Hoshino ignores...
Anyway, it seems that there will be another species who could find the Bookmen's records interesting after humanity was wiped out. Or they were allied with the Earl before the war really started, where both sides were working towards being able to fight. Akuma are, after all, something that the Earl created after he won against the Innocence. (Which I just realized today. And this would mean that the main goal of the Innocence is not to wipe out Akuma, but the Noahs/ the Earl. Maybe that was obvious from the start but I just never thought about it that clearly)
Yes, I agree. Staying unmarried would certainly be better, if she could sustain herself. Maybe Komui will at one point suggest her marrying because he can't always take care of her. But I think Linali is well able to care for herself.
Sure, Rabi should stay clear of any deep relationship. Obviously, he can't. I still think he's somewhat infatuated with Allen (even though I am not that keen on that pairing). But then, a lot of people like /are obsessed with Allen.
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According to the bible, all humans are supposed to be the decedents of Noah. But I look at the Noah clan as having a specific set of genetic traits, almost like an illness. everyone in the world has the possibility of becoming a Noah, but they must be born with a certain genetic code. Maybe if you don't have the code, you are not apart of the Noah Clan, and thus just a measly human that should be killed.
Innocence does seem to directly oppose the Noah. Bu I always thought that the Noah Clan sided with the Earl by chance. But it suits them, because they all really hate Innocence and they were betrayed somehow...
I think Komui might support Linali if she wanted to go to university. There is an all women university in England in the 19th century. If she can get a degree, she might be able to get a job and support herself.
I wonder, will the exorcists get a pension after the war is over? Or will the vatican deny they exist?
I don't really trust Rabi. I'm very suspicious of every playful word that comes out of his mouth. In the Arc, he seemed genuine that he has to accepted that he does care about his friends (and can't be a Bookman). But I'm not so sure...
Everyone does seem obsessed with Allen... Tyki and Rhode certainly are.
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Well, the Noah are only sacrificial lambs after all, but they have a special status among humans. They seem to be a bunch of people that get reborn over and over again, only that this time (now when it gets crucial) there was a "defect" - the 14th. It seems strange to me that another Noah should be born after 1000s of years of having the same constellation. Or maybe I just have a wrong idea bout the Noah "generations"...
The Earl probably was betrayed as well (or at least they all feel betrayed) so getting on the same side seems like a good idea, even though I'm not sure that they have the same goal. The Noahs hate Innocence, but does the Earl hate Innocence as well, or is he just a enemy of humans? (or does he hate humans because they get helped by Innocence?)
For the Vatican it would be easier to deny that they exist. Most humans are not aware of what is going on, therefore the Vatican might need to explain everything and that certainly isn't desirable... Either they might want to get rid of the exorcists or they give them enough money to calm them down...
I guess his "friends" mean a lot to Rabi, even though they shouldn't. I guess he just ignores the fact that he should not care too much for "the ink" with which he writes down history. The fact that he cares about them got him in that wicked dream fight after all...
Right now it seems that he is still trying to balance between being Bookman Jr. and Rabi... And just ignores the rules of not caring for the moment.
I agree *lol* Kanda should be a bit more interested in Allen as well, it would make me happy. But it's already fine that HE of all people saw the 14th eye to eye (and aparently didn't tell anybody). It makes me feel good as a fan and that shipping it is the right thing (which I know it is anyway *lol* I am obsesses as well it seems *sigh*)
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I think Innocence has gotten in the way of his plans, and the Earl has to get rid of it. There a prophecy mentioned in the first manga, with the cube foretelling the arrival of the Earl. It told humans to create the Dark Order and collect Innocence.
Since the Vatican has the Crow at their disposal and now half-akuma servants, I think they will try and get rid of the exorcists rather than pay them off.
I don`t think the Vatican would want to explain the war, but they might want to take credit for saving the world...
I had not thought of that- Kanda not telling the Order what he saw. I had thought that everyone on the battlefield had seen Allen in pain by being impaled on his own weapon, and they drew the conclusion that Allen`s innocence was rejecting him. The idea that Kanda is helping to hide Allen`s transformation into the 14th is very interesting.
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Well, they would need to be better prepared this time. As far as I know there was only one Innocence (cube, or entity or whatever form it had) back then which then split up into 109 pieces. With more people a war probably can be fought better...
As long as the fight against the Earl is not made public there will be no victory that they can claim because nobody will know about it. And if the war turns into something merging with human politics then that's out of the Vatican's league. But I think that the Earl has no true political ambitions maybe waging war is just to make more people die in order to have more tragedies (and to get rid of humans...)
I thought that Kanda was the only one who really saw what happened. Mari only heard and Link was a bit busy and too far away. So I guess it was only Kanda and the Level four. And as no actions seem to have been taken Kanda probably kept his mouth shut about it. He certainly realized that this gloomy face was not Allen... Well, it also was quite easy to get him back to normal... So maybe Kanda saw no need in telling yet. But knowing and keeping it hidden seems better, but Kanda and Allen did not have the time yet to talk about it... And I doubt that they will, but it would actually be necessary...
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If only we knew the true purpose of akuma, maybe we would understand what the Earl really wants to accomplish.
His purpose for causing a war might only be to cause more deaths and akuma.
I think everyone did notice that Allen was in pain from being impaled on his own weapon. I thought everyone, even without seeing that strange facial expression, would be able to interpret it. But Kanda would have been the only one to really see the face, but he never mentioned it.
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I agree, we don't even know much about the Earl's goals...
Well, yes, everbody probably heard Allen screaming, but did they see why he was screaming? Well, Mari and Kanda were close so both of them probably saw and could conclude that it was because his Innocence went against him (and they probably also know why) but I think nobody else saw that Allen shortly changed into the 14th (Link and Timothy were not in the vicinity and Mari can't see and he didn't wear his Innocence head-phones...)
I wish that Kanda will mention it, but only to Allen, but I guess that won't really happen, not until a next time the 14th takes over. But I am still slightly unnerved that Linali will be a part of the next mission (I guess I still feel a bit of danger coming from her, even though I like her *lol*)
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Well, the level four might have been blocking their view. I had forgotten about that... Link might have assumed that the level 4 was hurting Allen, but I think it was even written that Kanda and the others had noticed it was Allen's Innocence that was hurting him.
Allen is never alone, so Kanda would not be able to mention the 14th's appearance. Besides, Kanda has already said he did not care.
I wonder if the 14th was supposed to make another appearance in Istanbul? I thought this arc woudl concentrate on Kanda, and it woudl be unusual to bring up two issues (Kanda and the 14th) in one arc. In manga, there is a tendency to concentrate on one thing at a time.
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Right, Kanda said he does not care. And it would be strange for them to talk about it. Even though I miss such moments in D.Gray-Man. Sometimes I think certain events should have more impact on people and if they have they should be dealt with more explicitly (the Rabi-Allen battle on the Ark is a good example. Or the fact that Allen couldn't purify Tyki etc etc)
I agree, most Manga follow one aspect at a time. However, I could well imagine that Kanda and Allen are connected, therefore it would be understandable that Hoshino also connects Kanda's past and Allen's awakening as the 14th.
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Kanda and Allen just don't really talk at all. In battle, they seem to be compatible. But Kanda would only talk if it had something to do with the mission.
It must be hard for a mangaka to stress certain things and try to give it the right importance.
During the Arc, we saw for the first time, Rabi struggling with his Bookman duties. before that, I always questioned how friendly he was and thought he was only doing it to get more information. After, he admits he might not be able to become a Bookman, and then it is never dealt with again.
Allen's weapon is another- it was supposed to purify the Noah, but it didn't. Did Allen exaggerate the strength of his new weapon? It should have been given an explanation. Though, it seems to still hurt Tyki.
I wonder if Kanda and the 14th have a connection? I think it will still be some time before Allen become the 14th. I think it would be a mistake for Hoshino to rush the process, when she could have it quietly but surely happening in the background. Though Kanda has his past to be revealed, it is not an actual exploration of it. I don't think there will be a mission centered around it.
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Yes, that's unfortunately true. It would be nice to see Kanda and Allen interact besides during missions. I was even happy to see them together in one of the more recent chapters where they probably were writing a mission report together (and needed Madarao's name). Even that is connected to the mission, but they're spending time together (and probably didn't fight much, even though Timcampy ate Kanda's golem... *lol*).
I think that the whole Bookmen stuff would be enough material for a Manga on it's own, that's probably why we feel as if we'd only get very small glimpses. But I hope that there will still be more to come, especially juding from Bookman's reaction to Cross and Allen's discussion. At least it makes he hope that the Manga will still continue for a while if there are so many questions left unanswered. But of course,she can't deal with everything...
I assume that Allen was overconfident in his own strenght - a boost in power doesn't mean that he can take everyone down, especially not the way he hope he can. That's something I like about Allen - he is still inexperienced and has to be shown his own limitations. It's not like in other shonen manga where they get a boost and villains drop dead without a chance...
I really hope that there's a connection between Kanda and Allen / the 14th. Hoshino really shouldn't rush either Kanda's past or Allen's awakening as the 14th.
I would have like a mission as the trigger for Kanda's to be revealed, but maybe it's even better if it doesn't happen during a mission.
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I loved the picture with Tim eating the golem! I hadn't noticed when I first read the chapter, but when I did I laughed. I heard one fanfic writer give Kanda's golem the name of "Applebee"~ It's true, Kanda and Allen weren't fighting, so maybe Kanda has come to at least grudgingly accept Allen as an exorcist and really doesn't seemed bothered by the 14th?
Rabi is supposed to be from a rejected manga Hoshino proposed to her editor called "bookman". I think it would have made a very interesting manga. I wonder if it would have been similar to the DGM bookmen?
Allen really has to work in a fight and he does get severely injured. And when he went against the Earl on the Arc, he still wasn't able to defeat the earl. I'm glad he hasn't had such a large boost in power that he can defeat anyone. There are still generals with more power and high sync and exorcist with more battle experiences. I really did enjoy Allen's fight with Kanda, but I wish we knew how it really would have turned out if they hadn't ended in a brawl...
A connection between Kanda and the 14th would be interesting, but I'm not sure how it could be done...
Maybe the 14th could awaken (even just for a brief conversation) and tell Kanda of a way to save him. All Kanda has to do is help the 14th? Kanda has said he doesn't care about the Order, but he might care about his life if he thought there was a way to save it. And the 14th is powerful and well connected and he will want to escape the Order.
I don't think Hoshino intends for Kanda to be "saved" as he is nearing the end of his life. I don't want Kanda to die, but I do want DGM to have tragedy. It is a horror story after all, and I worry that Hoshino is losing sight of that...
I don't even know if I want Allen to survive. Even if he does survive the war, his parasitic innocence will kill him. I just think it would be cheap for have Allen" saved".
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Such a poor golem! But Kanda didn't even react (and neither did Allen)! Poor "Applebee"! (I haven't read any fanfiction in ages, and I used to know all the Yullen fanfiction and new stuff on fanfiction.net!)
I guess that Kanda is the only one among Allen's close friends, who doesn't feel threatened by the 14th. He is not afraid of the Noah, nor is he afraid of losing Allen to the 14th. Therefore he can interact with him more freely than Rabi and Linali might. But we haven't really seen them interact much since it was revealed that he was the 14th's host.
I guess Hoshino just took parts of what she planned for the Bookman manga and put it into D.Gray-Man. But I don't know how interesting it would have been to read about the Bookman, I think the setting of D.Gray-Man is better for a shonen manga. But I guess it would have had the same dark and morbid feeling like DGM does at times. At least I would have enjoyed that!
Hm, I think Kanda can still defeat Allen in a sword-fight because of practise. Allen doesn't seem to have as much stamina as Kanda does, but Allen has some dirty tricks up his sleeve! I think he could take Kanda by surprise.
Well, I think Kanda has better chances to live through the final battle and what comes afterwards than Allen does. Allen is the type of hero that will end up sacrificing himself. And if he doesn't sacrifice himself then he will lack purpose after the war ended. And even if he found a new purpose in his friends (or something like that) there is still the parasitic Innocence... His chances are quite bad. And I agree on the tragedy; I actually want it as well - that' was the initial feeling DGM had. Even if it's heart-wrenching I still want to see an ending that fits the mood! But if Hoshino finds a good way to make Allen stay alive then that's fine as well...
About Kanda... hm, it's hard to say. I always thought that he would survive, but it largely depends on Kanda's past. I make a new judgement once it's revealed!
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Timcampy will probably spit out the other golem. I don't think golems are cannibalistic... I think Tim was just putting the other golem "in its place".
Well, Rabi has probably been given orders by Bookman to keep an eye on Allen and look for signs of the 14th. The Bookmen probably would want to have a conversation with the 14th and get classified information. So the friendship between Rabi and Allen might be stalled. Linali does not seem so bad, she was comfortable enough to sleep in his room. But she did have a moment of fear when she saw the 14ths face, so maybe she will be more cautious around Allen.
Kanda is fairly certain he can handle the 14th if there is trouble.
A story about Bookmen would not have been a very action-packed manga and I doubt it would have been licensed by Shonen Jump.
I would think that Allen was better at hand-to-hand combat because that is what his Innocence was for most of his time as an exorcist. Kanda has always used a sword- he has years of practice over Allen.
Though now that Allen's weapon is a sword, is it still a parasitic. In vol. 2, parasitic weapons inform the wielder on hiw to use it. But Allen's sword is not directly attached to his body, so does it have the same effect? I think so, because on the Arc, he knew exactly what to do... So when fighting Kanda, Allen might catch up in time.
Allen probably had some formal training, but had a lot of experience fighting in brawls (like in pubs and bars). He would have learned a lot of dirty fighting tricks that could seriously harm people.
I think I would be more satisfied if Allen died at the end of the series. Otherwise, it would look like Hoshino was just failing to deliver on a Gothic-horror manga. Allen does not have a purpose much beyond killing akums snf destroying the Earl. It was in China that Allen even said he really had not cared much for people and caring for the Order was surprising to him. So I don't think he would make his friends his purpose even if he does survive.
I would like to have Kanda survive, mostly because he doesn't think he will, and would have to adapt his thinking. He woudl be lost if he survived and I think that would be interesting.
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Well, Timcampy's not a normal golem, the others seem to be little devices but Timcampy seems more alive (he even eats and smokes!). So I don't think it would count as cannibalism. But maybe you're right and he just demostrated his power *lol*
Hm, I guess Kanda's training doesn't allow him to be very spontaneous when he's fighting, so he might not be able to deal with Allen's way of fist fighting (but he seems to have had no problems getting into this brawl with Allen! So he was not too proud to do something this silly).
Allen doesn't really fight that well with a sword, but I guess he learns pretty fast. It's as you said; it's still parasitic, even though the sword is no longer attached to his body it is still technically a part of his body.
Gothic horror stories don't have to end with the death of the main character, but it certainly would match the initial mood. Allen wants to redeem himself for turning Mana into an Akuma and when he's done he is allowed to die, as he initially wanted. But the fact that Allen is now making his own road seems like a break with it. He seems to want to shape his own personality now, and if he does he might find reasons to survive. Even though he shouldn't live for long because he's has parasitic Innocence (unless there was some big great event that saved everyone from the effects of Innocence maybe through some sort of sacrifice, but that would be corny.)
Seeing Kanda struggle with life after he fulfilled his purpose certainly would be interesting, but I doubt we will see much of what happens after the war. Unless Hoshino shows it as some kind of epilogue.
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Timcampy can't be a normal golem. Doesn't Tim have some sort of connection to teh 14th? In the piano room, the 14th had said that Tim and Allen both belonged to him... And Tim does seem to be sentient with his own thoughts....
I almost wish Tim still had those adorable pigtails... they were so cute.
A brawl is definitely not as coordinated- the fight would become very chaotic and confusing.
Though I do like to think that Allen is well trained to defend himself.
It must be terrible for Allen to know that Mana (who he loved enough to turn into an akuma) might not have loved him. He went through years of torment with the fact, and it might have been all for nothing. Allen even adopted Mana's mannerisms ("the mask of Mana"). But I guess even if Mana did not love him, Allen can't change the fact he turned Mana into an akuma, so he has to make up for that. And if he is making his own path, that might be healthier for Allen than walking a road already decided for him.
My biggest worry is that if Allen is "saved" at the last minute, it will be corny. It would seem like a better conclusion to have Allen die and have his friends go on.
Don't most shonen manga have some sort of epilogue where the characters are shown living their lives? I woudl like to see Kanda struggling with his new-found life.
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Yes, he does. I really wonder what Timcampy's part in it all is. Did Cross really make him? It wasn't even his golem to begin with, right? Now Timcampy belongs to Allen and he does seem to have feelings of his own, especially in the more resent chapters...
Ah yes, the pigtails! If only the potion would have been permanent (not for chibi!Kanda though, he would probably be very depressed not to be Allen's equal or even superior any longer)
Aaargh, Mana, ever since that scence in Crowley's castle, has been very suspicous to me! I really don't know what to make of him!
Well and if Mana didn't love him that doesn't change that Allen did love Mana (unless he suddenly starts saying that these were only the 14th's feelings)
I can't really imagine how Allen is to be saved. Or course, having the main character die would be depressing but fitting for D.Gray-Man. What I like about DGM is that Hoshino really does show us people dying and also the impact it has on those left behind. I am pretty frustrated with other notable shonen Manga that they just can't make any of their ten thousand characters die (and even if they die they somehow come back miraculously).
That's true, epilogues are quite frequent... Ah, now you have made me anxious to see Kanda struggling with a post-war world X3 I guess he and Allen would probably struggle the most. Rabi could move on with being a bookman, Linali would probably still have Komui, Miranda has Mari, well, I don't know about Crowley, he is also someone I can see dying. For once he already lost Eliade and he also has parasitic Innocence.
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Maybe Cross (an inventor, scientist and magician) created Timcamy because the 14th asked him to? Tim is a very special golem and seems compatible with the Arc and its technology.
I have to wonder how much the 14th has already influence him. I woudl have thought Allen's dream in China was when the 14th started influencing him, but what if the 14th's memories had done more? Like made Allen trust Mana when they first met? Or made Allen more docile and easily controlled? What if Allen's gentlemen attitude is just the 14th manipulating the people in the Order to like Allen, so they will be reluctant to think him a traitor? It worked for Johnny, who defended Allen for trying to save Suman.
DGM can be a very a dark and gory manga and I prefer that to other shonen manga. So I do think it's possible that Allen will die in the end. Some shonen manga are determined to have no death or defeats in their story and they are worse for it.
Rabi's life has never been entwined with the Order. And he still has his own mission, to become a Bookman. He woudl be fine with the war ending and going on to another log. Linali still has her brother, so her world will not have ended. Marie and Miranda will have each other and the rest of their lives together. Crowley is another person I can see dying, he only became an exorcist to give himself a reason for killing the woman he loved. I doubt his Innocence will kill him as quickly as Allen's, because Crowley hasn't been using his weapon for very long.
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Well, that might be. We don't really know how Cross and the 14th are connected but I could imagine that Cross did some stuff for him (and there must have been a way for Cross to learn how to modify Akuma and use magic...)
I also thought that the dream in China was the first intance of the 14th interferance with Allen. What I find strange is the vision Allen had of Mana when his curse evolved; is a part of Mana still with him or was that the 14th manipulating him (well, I still think it was Mana though).
I think that it was mostly Mana who shaped Allen, at least it would make me sad to know that the 14th has so much influence on Allen's personality. But of course, it can be.
I think Allen is liked because of the way he is, I don't know if the 14th has an influence on other people yet, because he is still confinded within Allen.
I agree, Crowley doesn't seem to be in immediate danger... I think Allen's Innocence can be quite... brutal; it even forces Allen to fight on no matter how injured he already is. Lately it seems as if it just uses Allen for a host. And the 14th also uses Allen for a host. How is Allen to choose his own path if he's being controlled like that?
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Isn't Cross supposed to be one of the followers of the 14th? I can't really imagine Cross taking orders from anyone, but maybe the 14th promised him something in return for his help? Or maybe a younger, angry Cross was disgusted with the actions of the Order, teamed up with the 14th?
Cross must have gotten his skills from someone and the 14th must have given him information about how to infiltrate the Arc.
I think it probably was Mana talking to Allen at Crowley's castle.
It's difficult to say how much the 14th influenced Allen, and how much of Allen's personality is just Allen mimicking Mana. It has been noted that Allen is slipping up and using much more informal language.
Allen's Innocence seems to use him as it wants, without caring about the consequences. But i think Allen has agreed with those methods. He certainly isn't rejecting his Innocence for its ruthless behaviour.
Maybe we are supposed to recognize the futility of ALlen's actions, because there will always be someone trying to control Allen. The 14th, Innocence and the Order are all trying to determine Allen's life.
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I have a hard time picturing Cross as anybody's follower... But there must be a connection to the Noah side somehow, or else the Earl wouldn't have said that he was never able to understand the way he was thinking (or something along those lines).
I could imagine that he was looking for something in return...
Well, to me Allen still seems very gentlemanly even though his act is slipping from time to time.
Yes, Allen must have agreed to live how the Innocence wants him to live, or else he probably wouldn't have been able to get it back in China. He was determined to put his own desires and interests (like the humans who suddenly became too important) in the background for the sake of his mission. And we haven't heard him complaining yet...
We'll see if Allen is able to break free from the pre-determined lives. I doubt that he can create his very own path because he cannot abandon the Innocence nor Mana and the 14th... Maybe he'll come to merge both sides (hence the hint at "grey") but that would also be slightly clichΓ©... And if that leads to his very own path is also questionable. His goal is to save and not only destroy, that's all we really know. And maybe he just wants Mana to forgive him... Ah, it's depressing...
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It is difficult to imagine Cross taking orders or being a minion to anyone...
Maybe the 14th gave Cross magic or information? Such as his ability to use Maria. Rabi did mention that necromancy was forbidden, but the 14th has such a large library, there must be contraband information.
If Cross is still alive, even if he doesn't have Judgment, he still has her.
I wonder what Allen woudl be like if he didn't bother with the gentlemen act?
Allen doesn't seem like the type to complain, at least not to one of his friends. He will not mention how his new promise with the Innocence is effecting him. He won't even talk abut the 14th or Mana with his friends.
DGM is a depressing manga, but I like darker stories.
Usually in shonen manga, the main character does break free of pre-determined lives, but Hoshino doesn't always wrote cliches... so their might be an ending about how no one can free themselves from predetermination.
I think Allen might have been motivated out if guilt when he agrred to travel with Cross. He had just killed his father and Allen did not really seem to be in his right mind. Allen might have seen his mission as a form of penance for his crimes or was motivated by the hope that he could remove the curse (and thus be forgiven by Mana).
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Well, Maria is quite a mystery in herself, so I guess that there might be something coming later on. Cross seems to keep her stored away in a magical sphere. I wonder how many people actually know about Maria. Hebraska didn't make a remark about her, but maybe that was just because Maria had not been left behind...
I think Allen can't switch his gentleman act off at will; he can't help behaving polite with certain people. It probably was so interwoven with his own personality that he can't even tell if he's acting or not... But, hehe, we know how he behaves with Kanda - I think that's about the only time he really stops being so concerned with his nice act. Well, maybe with Link he's not always that polite either ;D
Allen even kept his heart being pierced by Innocence a secret. He really doesn't like to talk about himself or his worries...
Hm... Right now DGM does feel like "everybody can create his or her own path to walk on". It would be interesting to see how Allen failed. Everybody else of the main cast isn't free to chose what they do either - Linali can't make her own decisions because it might hurt Komui, Rabi can't because he is a bookman apprentice and Kanda seems to have something fishy going on as well...
I doubt Allen was fit to make his own decisions when Cross picked him up. He was still a child, just survived something very traumatic and he doesn't even know what it means to be an exorcist. He probably just had no other option than to go with Cross...
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When Tiedoll was in Japan, he remarked how many exorcists there were, and he did not count Maria. So maybe she is not well known. I guess she was an exorcist that is officially reported as dead, and Cross controls her body.
For the most part, Allen is polite to Link. He only made the only "rude" remark when he compared Link to furniture. But Allen probably doesn't mean to get less formal when he is talking. When Linali and Johnny pointed his slips, Allen tried to be formal again. Maybe formality is a way for Allen to keep emotionally distant?
Allen sees himself as someone who can carry his own weight and doesn't see the point in sharing some things, like the injury to his heart. He doesn't seem to like attention.
DGM is a great story in that there is a flaw in that reasoning that "anyone can do what they want" yet everyone has some restraints put on them and they certainly are not free to do what they want. There are consequences. That not one is really an individual and that what a person does is guided by their circumstances...I wonder if Hoshino is trying to get the futility across?
Allen definitely was not in his right mind when Mana died and Cross picked him up. Allen probably would have went with anyone... but Cross offered Allen a purpose, even if Allen did not understand that purpose at that time.
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Yes, Allen should not be interested in getting all too close with people, or he might lose sight of his goal again. He did say that his friends got too important. Therefore I agree; his polite might be just so that he can keep his distance...
Hm. DGM has quite a dark outset, so it wouldn't be too hard to imagine that she does want to point to that futility... But even if she shatters the worlds and beliefs of her characters, I think that she cannot let stop the story without mending it again to some extend. A bleak ending would not really fit the audience expectations I guess... So there must be "hope". Because in shounen series there always is ;3
I agree, without a new purpose Allen would probably just have died in the streets... Or maybe he would have become a Noah very soon (because the 14th probably doesn't want Allen to die before he took advantage of his new host body)
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