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Description In the end I was too lazy to finish the picture... My pencil drawings are always kind of sketchy, that's why I'm always having trouble colouring them digitally... Maybe I'll even try to just colour it traditionally instead of using my lame computer >w<

Anyway, a little picture belonging to DGM's nonsensical but funny "Zombie Arc". Of course in Ivory Tales (which means girl!Allen) style! *lol*

Chibi!Kanda (dressed up in English fashion thanks to Ellen) needs some help it seems ;3

(The thing she is carrying around is just a random package *lol*)

D.Gray-Man belongs to Katsura Hoshino
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Comments: 321

K-Whittington In reply to ??? [2009-06-10 14:51:11 +0000 UTC]

I prefer the idea of an emotional distant Allen. Look out what being close to Mana did to him? And I think Allen is distancing himself from his friends since it was revealed he was turning into the 14th.

In shonen series, it is typical for a happy ending that readers will enjoy. DGM started off dark at some points, and got light at others. The tone tends to change.

Hm, I wonder what caused the 14th to wake up? Was it Allen's near brush with death in China? The 14th waking up in dangerous situations when his host is in danger is a good idea.

I would have liked to read a story where no one every really met Allen, but the 14th pretending to be Allen because he had awakened after Mana died.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-06-10 16:23:00 +0000 UTC]

I guess it must be connected with Allen's near death moment. At least I think that his reflection that kept Allen from reaching out to the vision with Linali crying was him. Which kind of implies that the 14th has an interest in keeping Allen away from Linali, or all of his friends...
Well, Allen has been in other dangerous situations before and then it was usually the Innocence that saved him - for example when he was unconscious after Eliade beat him up - the Innocence acted on its own. But the Innocence was mostly detached from Allen's body, maybe that was the reason why the 14th could finally emerge?

So, you mean a story where "Allen" doesn't even exist anymore? It would of course be rather bitter (but it reminds me of Zone's setting... "Robin" actually isn't alive either...)

I still wonder why Allen changed so much. The bratty Allen before he met Mana would have been more like I imagined the 14th to be. But that sad little child in front of Mana's grave...? Living with Mana and getting close to him really changed Allen a lot... So I could understand why he would not want to get too close to people...

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-06-10 18:43:25 +0000 UTC]

When Eliade almost killed Allen isn't the same as when Allen was on the brink of death in China... maybe when Allen's grip on his own life is weak, that is when the 14th is able to take control?
Because it was Allen's Innocence hand that saved him from Eliade, and I don't think the 14th could have been able to use Innocence.

I suppose I like some bitter stories. Sometimes, shonen manga can be too "happy go-lucky where everything works out". DGM is a story about war, so I don't think it will be happy.

Well, before Mana came into Allen's life, ALlen was self-sufficient. He was a bitter ans angry child who only needed himself. Mana came into his life and treated him like a human. When Mana died, I suppose Allen realized what a terrible life he had to go back to...

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-06-10 22:22:55 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it's hard to say if the 14th could use Innocence. It's overall hard to tell how Innocence and the 14th could even coexist within Allen... It just seems like a ticking bomb... Especially when the 14th takes over Allen's body.

I guess I'm also fond of bitter stories that can get me to ponder. But I also like happy ends... (well, unhappy happy ends work also, so Allen dying in the end after achieving everything he wanted to would qualify as an unhappy happy end at least in my opinion...)

Allen's life with Cross must have been quite traumatizing, but probably in a very different way than his life before Mana had been. Allen never had it easy, not even with Mana. It's really surprising that he can act so cheerful and confident with such a background... Well, that's probably because he was raised by a clown... He behaved cheerful even when he was sad... And Mana was kind of insane (if Cross is to be trusted on that) after all but Allen never seemed to have realized that.

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-06-11 16:24:54 +0000 UTC]

A Noah using Innocence doesn't make sense... maybe Hoshino will eventually explain it? Maybe Allen-14th is a ticking time bomb and can't last? It would add a certain element of desperation if the 14th only had a certain amount of time to complete his goals.

I tend to have a mixed view on happy endings. I usually do prefer happy endings, as long as they aren't generic. If Allen died accomplishing what he wanted, that would be a good ending.

I wonder how Mana's insanity manifested itself?
Maybe Allen had noticed it, and decided he preferred insanity to sanity? An insane Mana was the first person to treat him well after all. Maybe Allen grew up assuming that only an insane person could accept his deformity and that sane people would treat him badly.
I think Cross just left Allen on his own a lot of the time and threw Allen into situations over his head.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-06-11 19:37:05 +0000 UTC]

But it seems stupid of the 14th to chose a person that has Innocence; he must have known that when he chose Allen. So maybe there is a possibility that Noah and Innocence can coexist (like it seems to be possible to merge Akuma and Humans). Maybe that's a plot device of Hoshino's? But it's still strange, because the Noah's seem to hate Innocence with a passion (and some of the Noahs also hate humans...).

I never thought Mana was insane, at least not in the short glimpses we had of him... Maybe Cross was exaggerating? Or maybe the insanity was just that he saw his brother in Allen? But if Allen was aware of the insanity, then maybe what you suggest could be true... Most people, also exorcists, don't react that well when they see his Innocence.
Well I can imagine that Cross wants Allen to learn things on his own, maybe so that he does not rely on others or what others taught him?

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-06-12 09:20:32 +0000 UTC]

It does seem like a conclusion for Noah to hate Innocence and not think much of humans. Skin seemed to be almost insane in his hatred (but Rhode suggested he was an extreme case and could not help it because he was the Noah of Anger). Who knows how Hoshino will explain it, or maybe she won't.

Hm, Mana came off as very weird, but not totally insane. He showed apathy when his dog died, he took in an orphan and gave the child the dog's name, he also mock-hanged himself. While we do not see much of Mana, he does at least seem strange.

Well, Cross is very suspicious towards other people and towards the Order. It's likely he tried to instill in Allen an independent streak, so Allen would never have to depend on others.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-06-12 18:51:18 +0000 UTC]

Yes, but before we saw that flashback of him as a clown he never did seem all that strange to me... Of course, we never really saw much of him, but I usually guessed that he was a gentle person (who demands a bit too much of Allen...). He seemed shady but not insane...

It would be most beneficial to Allen if he never needs other people, especially if one considers his goal and the prediction Cross made that he might kill one of the people he holds dear. If he holds no one dear then nobody will be harmed. And Allen could then just disappear to become the 14th. I wonder if Cross was never really interested in Allen at all and just wanted him to be the 14th? I wouldn't really like it, but it would be possible (or maybe he recently changed his mind that it would be a pity if Allen disappeared?)

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-06-12 22:12:11 +0000 UTC]

It was a very brief glimpse of Mana. Maybe with the 14th awakening, we will see more of what type of person Mana was? Mana might not have even been aware that he was following the 14th's plans of finding Allen and being reborn. Cross said he had no idea how insane Mana had been driven or how much he remembered.

When Cross was telling Allen about the 14th, he hugged Allen and remarked that he couldn't laugh at Tiedoll anymore. I suppose Cross meant that he had mocked Tiedoll for treating his students like sons, but Cross had come to view Allen as a son. Even thought Cross follows the 14ths orders, he may have come to resent them. After all, Cross said the 14th should have chosen someone worthless, who no one would miss.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-06-13 09:48:22 +0000 UTC]

We might get flashbacks of how Mana was before the 14th died... Or if Allen starts doubting Mana.
Maybe Mana wasn't really insane, maybe he was just strange *lol* But I really wonder - like Allen does - if he saw his brother in him...

I am really fond of that hug scene. I didn't expect that >w< It does kind of hint that Cross cares for Allen to some extend whereas he might just have done what he was supposed to do before (or he still is, but has doubts about it.)

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-06-13 15:10:53 +0000 UTC]

When Allen was talking to Link and mentioned Mana with a smile. Allen seems to have made the decision to accept what Mana did and love him regardless.

Who knows what was going through Mana's mind. Mana didn't name Allen after his brother, so if Mana had really seen Allen as his little brother returned, wouldn't he have given them the same name? But it can't have been coincidence that Mana ran into Allen and just decided to bring the kid with him.

I like the idea that Cross isn't completely heartless, even if he does treat most people like puppets. I think the hug scene really threw most people. Especially when Cross practically dared Leverrier to investigate Allen and do what they liked to him. well, it wasn't really a dare... It just seemed really cold, like he was throwing his student to the wolves.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-06-14 14:09:51 +0000 UTC]

I guess Allen can't really stop loving Mana, even though he is worries about Mana's feeling concerning him.

Well, we don't even know if Mana knew that Allen is the host of the 14th, right? I can't really remember what Cross said about that. But I agree, it would be strange if it was coincidence.

Hm. Cross and Allen don't really have the best of relationships but still, Allen needed Cross when he was uncertain about Mana. Cross might still be a (incompetent) father figure for Allen and Cross does seem to care about him to some extend :3 Well, it's the usual rule I guess "he's not as cold as he appears" *lol*

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-06-14 17:01:01 +0000 UTC]

Maybe Allen has accepted that Mana was using and deceiving him. But acknowledges that it did enable him to survive.

It cannot just be a coincidence that Mana and Allen met... Maybe the 14th left Mana clues on how to find the host, but Mana didn't know he was following them? Maybe it was the 14th that brought Allen at that circus, knowing that Mana would eventually find that circus?

I'm not sure if I can ever take whatever Cross says at face value. What if he was only trying to reassure Allen so that he will complete the 14th's plan?

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-07-15 07:38:02 +0000 UTC]

Well, Allen still considers Mana to be a good person, even in the dream he has he says that it's a good dream as soon as Mana appears... I guess Allen is too dependant on him or on his memories of him to actually let go of Mana.

I think I remember Cross saying that the 14th made him promise to reunite the two siblings once the 14th has a new host. So maybe Cross meddled with it a bit? But I don't really like that idea... X/

I will continue to believe that Cross is a) a liar and b) actually quite fond of his stupid apprentice *lol*

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-07-15 14:51:04 +0000 UTC]

I suppose Allen can't afford to throw Mana away after learning the truth.

I think Mana dying was unforeseen and unplanned. Maybe 14 and Cross never thought of the possibility that Mana would be killed (we still don't know how Mana died...)

I think Cross does care at least a little about Allen.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-05 12:49:31 +0000 UTC]

I agree; I doubt they thought Mana would die. Before, when I was sure that Mana was a Noah, it all made sense. Now it doesn't and it frustrates me! X/ Why would Mana know that much about the Musician's score and why does he wear a coat with buttons that have the Noah crest on it? Is it simply because he carries on what his brother did? Argh.
Anyway. With Cross having the mission to protect Mana I wonder why he failed. Why did Mana have to die and why won't Allen tell/ have a flashback how it happened? I always thought the Earl killed him either because he's the 14th or because he was on the list of people connected to the 14th... But Allen should have known somehow... It's pretty strange now that I think about it... Especially since Cross seems to have messed up...

I will continue to believe that Cross cared about Allen until I'm proved otherwise! X3 I think it would simply be too depressing if no one really cared about Allen simple because of who he was (and not who people wanted him to be). Of course there is Linali and Rabi and a whole lot of other people who Allen is important to... But still, they don't seem to be as important to Allen as Mana and Cross were... (At least I believe that Cross is important to Allen, even though Allen dislikes him *lol*)

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-08-11 15:38:01 +0000 UTC]

The Noah crest? Did I miss something? That is a problem with Manga I have, I read too quickly and sometimes miss visuals.

There are so many questions that Hoshino hasn't answered, but it is a writing strategy. she has to keep these questions unanswered to maintain her reader's interest...

I think Cross came to care about Allen, against his better judgment.

In China, Allen reveals that he thinks people are distracting and caring about them gets in his way... but I suppose when he received Crown Clown he accepted he had to care about people (and not in the superficial way he had before. That is, he helped everyone, not really favouring anyone).
I'm not so sure of Rabi really cares about anyone... but there are times when he slips up as a Bookman...

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-11 21:54:11 +0000 UTC]

I thought that when we saw the flashback when Mana taught Allen the secret language/code, we could see buttons on his sleeve and they had the same crest as the musical score and the sole of Rhode and Tyki's shoes do. Maybe I'm reading too much into it

I guess Allen realized that he can't devote his entire existence to the Akuma only, he does have to rely on humans as well. However, even though he did accept that part of his being is for the humans, I still see him struggling... He's not that good at relying on other people...

As for Rabi... I do think he cares about his friends, even though he shouldn't. He was affected when Linali fought that level 3 all on her own... It's as you say, he has his moments where he fails as a Bookman... I still find it strange that Allen and Rabi never talked about what happened between them on the Ark. Allen probably accepts this part of Rabi he doesn't know...

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-08-16 13:36:42 +0000 UTC]

That is interesting. I remember during the arc seeing Rhode was an interesting symbol on her shoes, but I just thought it was a brand name...

Allen has been raised to be independent. It is only right that he doesn't relinquish it easily. I think Allen had some very different expectations when he arrived ta the Order. I think that Allen believed he would be alone again, and rejected because of his curse.
Cross also must have influenced what he thought about the Order.


Allen isn't a very nosy character, for the most part. Which is unusual for a male character in a shonen manga. Allen really does accept that there are things that he will not understand and maybe even have no right to understand. Maybe if Rabi approached Allen to talk about it, he would. But Allen would mostly listen, I think. Or maybe there are things guys just don't talk about? And Allen seems the forgetful type. When Link saved Allen during the invasion, Allen had forgotten about it until Paris...

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-16 21:07:13 +0000 UTC]

Hehe, that's true! When Allen first sees the Black Order he is pretty surprised. I don't know what he expected though. I'm pretty sure that he was surprised that the Black Order was something like home for the exorcists. He probably never had a home to return to because both with Mana and Cross he travelled a lot.
Well, Allen got rejected because of his curse, at least from Kanda. The other people were reasonable enough not to react harshly...

That's true. He really isn't nosy... And usually Allen doesn't ask questions (he did ask Kanda about his tattoo though when they were in the Ark, while the others kept quiet about it). Allen doesn't talk much about himself either, not many people know about Mana or his motivation... Maybe that's just the way it is in the Black Order... There are too many painful memories, so nobody wants to burden anyone by asking them painful things...
True, he IS forgetful, if he even can't remember that he had been saved by Link. But it was kinda chaotic, so maybe he can be forgiven! *lol*

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-08-18 18:40:13 +0000 UTC]

yes, in the chapter Allen showed up at the Order and was being given a tour by Linali, he did stop and think "Home?" He was surprised at the idea that the tower was a home for people. Maybe confused even at the concept of a home. When he sat down in his own room, he only regarded the Order as his starting point for his mission.

I remember two guards pointing out Allen's curse when he first entered the Order.

Allen also had said Kanda's tattoo had been bothering him for a while, and he hadn't mentioned it. I think Allen only said anything was because the tattoo had grown.

I think a lot of people at the Order aren't very happy and might have joined for personal reasons. So, I guess it would only be natural not to say much about the past.

I like that Allen isn't a character that tells his sob-story to anyone who will listen and that his life is a mystery.

And Allen had been in a lot of pain, so maybe it is nturual that he wouldn't remember being saved.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-22 18:44:23 +0000 UTC]

I guess that a curse is something extraordinary... We don't really know how the reality in DGM works; there are curses and ghosts among other things, but Hoshino doesn't really explain these things... We only have seen Allen cursed but there are bound to be others...

Well, the tattoo was hard to overlook anyway... I was just surprised that it was Allen who brought it up, maybe Linali and Rabi just didn't dare to because they knew that Kanda wouldn't want to reply anyway...

I also like that about Allen, not many people know his backstory and he doesn't know about the past of his friends (like Linali) and he doesn't pry because it's none of his business... It's also a bit strange; many rely on Allen and turn to him as soon as he appeared, despite not knowing anything about him.

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-08-25 13:03:41 +0000 UTC]

The universe of DGM is very strange. A part of the charm is not having these things explained. This manga is also gothic-horror. Curses, castles and ghosts are a parts of that literary genre.

Maybe Rabi and Linali know about it already and that's why they don't mention it? Or they know Kanda would never answer their questions.

Didn't Linali reveal part of her story to Allen in the Rewinding Town? But Allen still doesn't seem very curious about the past.

While others come to rely on Allen, he never does the same. I like that he keeps his problems to himself. He isn't eager to have others know anything about his past.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-25 14:50:49 +0000 UTC]

There was no indication that Rabi and Linali know about Kanda's past, but they also never said that they didn't... Mari seems to know something though... Kanda doesn't really answer questions when they're personal... But he doesn't ask anything in turn either.

Yes, that's true. Linali did mention something of her past in the Rewinding Town arc.

Well, we've already seen in the Manga that Linali doesn't really like Allen's attitude of keeping to himself or doing everything on his own. As his friend she wants to help him. Kanda, on the other hand, also doesn't like Allen acting on his own, because he endangers their mission's success by acting on his emotions and being so unreasonably self-sacrificial...

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-08-28 17:51:55 +0000 UTC]

Mari hinted that Kanda saved him in the past and that Mari can't return the favour... I hope it is eventually clarified.
Kanda has very little interest in other people. He is at the Order to fight the war, not make any friendships. He never goes out of his way to make that clear, but it is there.

Allen's habit of keeping things to himself, while making himself available for other people is really frustrating to Linali. While Linali offered information about herself, Allen said very little.

I think Kanda was much more aware of what type if person Allen is.
Linali was very angry with Allen's self-sacrificing, but she didn't make a connection to how Allen sees himself, unlike Kanda. He figured out that Allen was able to be self-sacrificing because he doesn't hold much importance to himself and his own life. Kanda, who has something to live for, found that disturbing/

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-28 19:32:31 +0000 UTC]

True, true. Kanda has no need for friendships to complete his goals. He's not interested and it's not his fault for the others deciding that they're his friends now (like Rabi and Linali). But I guess he does care, he's not that cold. I don't think he considers friendships to be a hindrance, but they are not necessary either. Work is work.

Maybe Kanda could see what kind of person Allen was especially because they are similar and he hates to see that? Especially because Allen wants to sacrifice himself even though he has a responsibility towards the Black Order and humanity as an exorcist.

But it was somewhat foolish of Allen to endanger himself that much, because he does have a purpose; and that are the Akuma. If he dies so soon who will be there to save them?

I understand why Kanda is angry, but I also see Allen's point. And I guess that even though they had different opinions on the matter, they accepted the other's point of view.

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-08-30 17:59:47 +0000 UTC]

Kanda seems to tolerate Linali well enough and he hasn't killed Rabi yet...

I just think Allen doesn't place that much importance on his self. He once mentioned that he was just a tiny person, and he wants to save the akuma that are in front of him. Like at the Rewinding Town, he put himself in great danger just for one akuma. He probably would be happy if he died saving one more akuma.

Kanda puts a great importance on himself and he also has some sort of personal mission to accomplish.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-08-30 19:35:20 +0000 UTC]

Allen doesn't seem to care for the greater picture; he'll sacrifice his life for one soul even if that meant that he won't be there to save many other souls. If he thinks it's what he needs to do then he will. I find that trait of his quite remarkable - he's not perfect, but he doesn't need to be.

On one hand Kanda seems to value his life, but on the other hand he still "wastes" it in order to protect other people from harm (or to go all out in battles).
I still wonder what that personal mission of Kanda's is... Now with that Alma Karma and 2nd / 3rd exorcists stuff it's getting more and more complicated........

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-01 21:48:29 +0000 UTC]

Allen is a little crazy... His world view is definitely a little off-kilter...

That is also true! Kanda does value his life, but then he gets injured saving others and his life burns away to heal faster.

Until we understand what Kanda is exactly, Hoshino probably won't reveal Kanda's past. Though Kanda might be an artificial human, maybe he does have something like a mother...

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-02 16:47:37 +0000 UTC]

I wonder how he actually ended up with such a world-view. Maybe if he wasn't able to see Akuma, then he would be different? I guess he mostly cares about Akuma because he, and only he, can see the souls attached to it. Oh wait... Weren't people who were in Allen's vicinity supposed to see them too, like Rabi did? It never came back up. Especially in the recent chapter where Tokusa said he wished to see them as well - it would have been easy to accomplish that. I wonder if Allen can control the curse to some extend so that other people don't see it? Rabi certainly didn't appreciate the experience...

Well, maybe Kanda's attitude about his own life depends on his "purpose". If his mission as a second exorcist is to give his life for the sake of the Black Order then well... He's doing everything right. But if it isn't, well, then he's in no position to judge Allen for how he sacrifices himself for others, because Kanda's doing exactly the same (only that he doesn't die - at least not immediately)

I never considered him to be an artificial human, even though it sounds like that. It seems so far-fetched. Even the third exorcists are real humans, converted with Akuma cells (which is what? Dark Matter? Alma cells? Are Alma cells and Dark Matter the same?). So maybe he was a normal human being (or a human with a little bit of a synchro rate), converted into an exorcists by using Innocence particles? Because he does have an Innocence, while the others only have an arm made from... Akuma bits? But then again, maybe all that Kanda is, is only an illusion anyway...... >_<

Anyway, Kanda is connected to Alma (Karma) in one way or another, which always makes me think of Alma Mater... Which makes me think that maybe Kanda is a "child" of Alma Karma (maybe it's similar how Madarao and co. can give "birth" to new third exorcits once they undergo Womb Transformation). Which doesn't really convince me. *sigh*

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-02 17:42:54 +0000 UTC]

It was after Crowley's castle that Allen's eye evolved. But we haven't heard about it since... hm... Maybe Allen can now control other people being able to see the souls. Allen did seen very guilty that Rabi had to see those souls in pain. Maybe to Allen, seeing the akuma suffer is apart of his atonement and his punishment from Mana. He feels he shouldn't involved others.

Kanda might be only following the Order because it served his purpose...
Whatever the second exorcists are, the Order stopped creating them awhile ago. It seems to be have been something really horrifying and Bak really regretted what he had put Kanda through.

Hoshino will have to reveal it eventually, but it will be in 2 months time until the new chapter is out...

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-02 18:52:36 +0000 UTC]

Well, it would make sense that he doesn't want to include other people in what he assumes to be his atonement...

It must be something different than the experiments Linali saw... Or maybe Kanda was the only person where it worked? It's hard to come to a conclusion, because we really don't know much... But you're right, Bak regretted it... I wonder what the promise was that they gave Kanda... Not to do it again?

It's really a long wait... It's a bit frustrating...

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-04 14:16:27 +0000 UTC]

I think the Order did a lot of horrifying experiments.

Kanda might have been the only survivor to the Second exorcists, and no more were made. But it seems that it was successful, but Renee and Bak's families made the Order stop performing it.

Darn, I want a better explanation~ Hoshino will take a long time to explain it.
It will take a long time, so I hope it is worth is and my attention doesn't wander to something else.
Despite the many hiatuses, DGM has been my favorite manga for 4 years.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-05 14:39:30 +0000 UTC]

But if I understood Renee correctly she thinks that it was a mistake to stop the experiments. I concluded that they would have had the abilities to create more second exorcists but maybe the way of doing that were too horrifying to continue. I just recalled that Bak must have been pretty young when he engaged in these experiments... And he seems to feel quite bad about it - he also tried to make it up to Kanda.

I also fear that my attention may wander... there's no series I enjoy as much as DGM and I find it very difficult to find things to do while I wait for the next chapter to be published. A lot of other Manga I was fond of got really tedious to read and I can't really enjoy them anymore... And I don't think I feel up to write for any other fandom at the moment... >3<

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-05 19:54:05 +0000 UTC]

Bak acting considerate towards Kanda is funny. But Kanda doesn't really seem to care that much about Bak's regret. I suppose Kanda might hate the Order for what it did to him.

I find nothing captures my imagination the way DGM does. I love Hoshino's art and I love the story and the pace. My only worry is that DGM will change because of the long hiatus and Hoshino might fear getting canceled and may change the story and the pace she tells the story at.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-06 11:02:41 +0000 UTC]

I guess there are some things that Kanda does regret - he seems to be able to work quite well the way he is now, but the fact that he lost an important human part of him (not really being able to die / being used as a sacrifice to protect others) might not really sit well with him, even though it helps him reach whatever goal he has. I have the feeling that Kanda is still pretty loyal to the Order, but he doesn't care much.

That's true, I never really devoted that much time in a fandom, creating fanart and fanfiction (it's even the first time I really loved a series enough to dare to write in English and post the stuff I created *lol*). Maybe I just like the setting, the characters and the atmosphere, everything about it was so captivating.
I've tried reading other Manga with a Victorian, dark setting - like for example Kuroshitsuji, but it just was not the same (and I dislike the main protagonist there *grr*)
I hope Hoshino keeps it up!

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-07 16:04:21 +0000 UTC]

Kanda said after his fight with Skin that every human dies. So, does he consider himself humans? Or when his lotus dies, then he dies, and that it his own way of being assured that he is also human?
On what chapter page, it said that Kanda would fulfill his orders, no matter what. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is loyal to the Order... I really want to know his back story, but it will be awhile longer until it is revealed.

The setting for DGM is really captivating. I think it has a good composition and I will continue to read it, but I hope Hoshino is able to capture the feeling that DGM had before the hiatus. But that new chapter worries me. It doesn't seem like the previous chapters.

I tried to read Kuroshitsuji, but I really hate the upper class and their sense of entitlement... the art is very pretty.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-07 18:49:23 +0000 UTC]

I thought he no longer considers himself to be human, but who knows? Maybe the fact that he could die after his time ran out, is a relief for him? Which would be pretty morbid somehow...

Well, it depends what his mission actually is, maybe he's not doing it for the order. We can't really know. We don't even know if finding "that person" (Alma?) is even his mission, maybe it's something he wants to do for himself...
It would be nice if we could soon get his back story... but it probably won't happen in this year.

Yes, the new chapter causes mixed feelings, but I'll just like it for the sake of pretty Allen and pretty Crow people *lol* (Shallow reasons, I know)

I hate Ciel from Kuroshitsuji, therefore I kind of gave up on it. I liked how dark it was at places, but Ciel is still stupid - he's a pampered boy that can't get anything done without his servants, he can give high and mighty orders, but won't do anything on his own. So maybe you're right with the upper classes sense of entitlement... =3= But yes, the art is pretty!

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-09 23:42:05 +0000 UTC]

Kanda said he still has something to accomplish (he hasn't made any more comments to "that person" since vol. 2). He wasn't even all that worried when he was about to die on the arc... he even had a morbid grin... I'm not sure what it could mean.

I hope Hoshino gets back to the original feel of DGM. It may take a few chapters though. She is in a new magazine, which means her old readers will have to buy from a different comic and she may want to pander to new readers... I hope she doesn't given in and change her story.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-10 07:35:23 +0000 UTC]

Maybe for him it would be okay not to find that person? Maybe that really is just his mission and if he dies it would not be accomplished (which might also be something good?) Or maybe it's just a grim smile he wears because he knows that Allen and co will be really sad (and not angry as he says) for not coming back.

Yes... I'm curious to how it will continue now, especially now that she has new target readers who are older than those of weekly jump. Maybe she can return to be really dark, I think that'd be nice! Not that she has to kill all her characters in a high drama fashion... *lol*

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-11 18:05:53 +0000 UTC]

Kanda is an odd person. His smile was almost spiteful. Though, Kanda was thinking about Komui being upset that he had died.

I'm not sure of the other manga running in the magazine. That could alter the story. Though it would be nice if the story went back to being dark (well, a character did have his arm ripped off). but I still want more Gothic elements.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-13 15:42:05 +0000 UTC]

I wonder why Komui should be upset, apart from the obvious reasons... Komui seems to know more about Kanda than most people, but maybe still less than Bak did... But I agree, Kanda is slightly odd... >w<

Maybe I should check out the magazine... But DGM was already different from the other series in WSJ, at least to me it had a totally different feel... I wish for a good deal of logical insights into the characters for the future Manga. And yes, the dark atmosphere would be nice! I am actually quite unhappy that Tokusa lost his arms and most likely his life as well - but if we got some Crow background afterwards then I'd be fine. I don't like senseless killings, but if it's done like with Suman (where his death had the purpose of showing us the darker sides of the order) then I'm fine with it!
Maybe it would also be nice to see more of the Noah's backstories? Even though I don't really care for anybody apart from the 14th (and Mana)...

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-16 18:36:20 +0000 UTC]

I hope Kanda's mystery is revealed soon. Bak seems to know a lot of Kanda's past, but Komui must have been informed of something.

Hm, in my opinion, a manga about a war is going to have a lot of death. And then there are shonen manga who never kill off any characters! Suman's death did reveal a part of the Order that hadn't been discussed. So, maybe Tokusa's death will reveal something about the dark experiments done by the Order? Maybe something having to do with Kanda?

Hm, some of the Noah I am curious about. Rhode seems to be very old and was around when the 14th was alive. I'd like to hear her humans story.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-17 19:58:47 +0000 UTC]

I hope there will be some information soon! We don't really know yet how Crow works or what Alma is, so it'd be nice to get an insight, even at the expense of some characters.

Rhode's human life probably would be interesting to read about! I'm not much of a Rhode fan, but maybe it'd give us insights into why she behaves the way she does around Allen... There must be some connection between her and the fourteenth to bring about her strange love for Allen (but I'm glad that Allen doesn't seem to care about Rhode...)

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-19 13:42:57 +0000 UTC]

The hiatus may have altered Hoshino's plan to give us more information about Kanda. But there was a hint of "the second" and alma. So, maybe next chapter, as Wisely does want Kanda's brain. It seems like the perfect opportunity to reveal information.

I loved Allen's expression when Rhode kissed him (it looked a bit like "eww"). I figured that Rhode likes Allen because she can easily torture him (like self-destructing the akuma in the Rewinding town)

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-20 18:17:11 +0000 UTC]

But I wonder whether the next chapter will be a continuation of the last chapter, because there seems to be a gap between we got the first new hints to Kanda's past and the latest chapter. I somehow am not happy with that... But anyway, it would be a good opportunity to give us some news...

I thought that too at first, but then the whole 14th thing came up... I'm not that sure now what I should think *lol*
But Allen didn't really look all that thrilled to be kissed by Rhode >w<

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-24 21:04:13 +0000 UTC]

I think it will be continued. There was a lot of actions in those scenes. The Earl and Rhode are arriving at the American branch, Kanda is being attacked by Wisely and so is Allen. I don't think Hoshino will jump ahead in time again.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-26 18:34:17 +0000 UTC]

Hm, yes, maybe it would be another cut in the story's flow if she didn't continue where the last chapter left of... I would like to see the continuation of Allen's fight in the next chapter, but it'll probably focus on Kanda because it seems more important... Or maybe the Noah take Allen with them and Wisely kidnaps Kanda so that in the end they are at the same place. That'd be fine as well >w<

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K-Whittington In reply to Silly-Blue [2009-09-27 21:36:12 +0000 UTC]

Manga that are realized in monthly serializations usually have multiple view points going on at the same time. So while Kanda will be covered, Allen's might also be.

I would like to see more Kanda-Allen interaction. They also fight together so well (like in Paris!) It would also be a good way for Allen to find out Kanda's secret.

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Silly-Blue In reply to K-Whittington [2009-09-28 09:44:38 +0000 UTC]

Hm yes, maybe that's right. I usually don't like if viewpoints switch constantly or multiple plots are going on beside the main plot (well - as long as it's not as confusing as Angel Sanctuary I'm fine with it *lol*)

I really would like to see what goes on with Allen and Kanda, because while I care for Kanda's past, I am also concerned for Allen at the moment. Now that we have to wait so long I'd rather see both sides as well! >w<

There probably is no need for Allen to find out Kanda's secret (because Kanda doesn't know that much of Allen's past either), but it would be great if he did! And their interaction is the most interesting for me anyway and they do fight well together, even though they have different way of doing things. Ah thinking about them reminds me why I love them as a couple! *lol*

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