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In the end I was too lazy to finish the picture... My pencil drawings are always kind of sketchy, that's why I'm always having trouble colouring them digitally... Maybe I'll even try to just colour it traditionally instead of using my lame computer >w<Anyway, a little picture belonging to DGM's nonsensical but funny "Zombie Arc". Of course in Ivory Tales (which means girl!Allen) style! *lol*
Chibi!Kanda (dressed up in English fashion thanks to Ellen) needs some help it seems ;3
(The thing she is carrying around is just a random package *lol*)
D.Gray-Man belongs to Katsura Hoshino
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I have mixed feelings about constantly switching points of view. Once you get into one story, they switch to another~ It takes forever for something to happen, and then you have to wait an entire month for more information~!
Kanda and Allen are both in threatening situations (both immediate problems and distant ones) Allen has the 14th, and has o worry about the Order, and is being attacked by several Noah! And Kanda is being confronted by a mysterious new Noah and his past seems to be catching up with him (I assume Kanda is not supposed to be hallucinating).
I guess Kanda and Allen do not need to know the others past, I doubt wither of them place much importance on the past of others (though Allen's past seems to be very important to him). I can't help but think Allen wouldn't get to emotional feeling sorry for Kanda and his past.
I want to see Kanda and Allen fighting more~
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I can't really tell if Allen would feel sorry for Kanda... Not that Kanda would want anybody to be sorry for him. Though maybe they share a similar past and Allen would therefore realize how similar they actually are? (Like Marie said) But it probably won't change their relationship for the better *lol*
I want to see them more as well, fighting, bickering, whatever I can get! *lol*
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I don't think Allen really wastes time feeling sorry about much, except for Mana and Akuma.
To Allen, Kanda would still be a jerk.
I wish we had a bit more of Marie... he seems so smart and when he cut off his own finders... and Hoshini seems to ship him with Miranda...
Yes~ Whatever interaction Hoshino gives between those two would be great~
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Yes. I guess the first impression Kanda and Allen had of eachother is going to stay. And Kanda is a jerk, so I can't really blame Allen >w<
Yes, Marie and Miranda was quite unexpected but I welcome it! I think that Marie is a good character, calmer than both Kanda and Allen.
Ah, if only it didn't take this long for the next chapter!
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Marie and Miranda make a surprisingly good couple. I don't think Hoshino will give a lot of attention to it (they are not major characters and this is a shonen manga) but I think they will be in the background.
It's less than a month until the next chapter~
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It's quite a pity, but yes, romantic relationships don't play a great role in DGM. Which is good to some extend because I have no interest in reading about a couple I don't really support (like maybe Linali and Allen. I wouldn't mind some focus on Rabi and Linali though. *lol* I'm very biased). But if Marie and Miranda can appear together more often then I'm content - but there hasn't been any interaction between them for some time...
Yes, I won't take that much longer... I just can't look forward to November because some big things for university are due then *sigh* But otherwise I'm very eager to read the next chapter!
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It would not be a shonen manga if romance was a large part. And in girl manga, romance seems to be the only concern...
If there is to be a hint of romance, it would unfortunately be between Allen and Linali. Though, I doubt Hoshino will ever make it official. I can see her making Marie and Miranda official, if only because they are not main characters and don't garner much attention or controversy.
It was much better when DGM was a weekly manga. On one hand, I also have a lot of papers due in November, and I don't want it to come faster. But I also love Halloween, which is also at the end of October... and I want the next chapter of DGM... I feel so conflicted~
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Well, yes, romance is certainly often a very big concern of shoujo mangas, there aren't many that deal with other problems than the girl going through various hardships until she gets the right guy at the end. I can't really tell though because I don't read that many shoujo mangas anymore. Those which I do read have the focus on a different part (even though there is always romance of one or another kind). But I must say that there are shoujo manga that I greatly enjoy even though it's mostly about romance! *lol*
There aren't many shounen manga that really have romance going on, it's only hinted at most of the time. And mostly it's girls that are in love with the male protagonist... *sigh*
I'd rather pass on having an official romantic relationship if it meant that there'd be Allen and Linali as a pairing. I adore Linali, but I just don't like Allen+Linali that much...
Right. That's it. I feel conflicted as well! I should hurry up and do all the university work so I can look forward to the new chapter without restraints! >w< But being the kind of person I am I probably won't. >w<
We don't really do anything for Halloween... Probably because we have Fasnacht and don't need another dressing up event?
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Shojo manga tends to only concern itself with romance, and it is to limiting. All the characters really think about it getting a boyfriend, not actual hardships they might actually go through. It doesn't deal with gender discrimination or independence... though I know the feminist movement is not very prominent in Japan. And the female characters is always getting saved~
In shonen manga, if a girl is in love, the male usually doesn't notice it (because they are childhood friends).
I would prefer that DGM did not have an official pairing. I do not want a lot of romance in a shonen manga.
I love Halloween, but I heard that it was more of a North American holiday. Fasnacht is Shrove Tuesday, right? I think we eat pancake that day.
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Well yes, there are certain traits to shoujo manga that are all about finding true love. I read a few that turn character growth into the bigger issue - while I must admit that finding the right boyfriend in the end usually is required to get the happy end. X3 Well, maybe I don't really think about gender issues that much when I'm reading manga - sometimes yes, but there are also times where I just read.
Hm, the boys in shounen manga mostly don't care for romantic relationships, or if they do they somehow lose sight of their crush because they need to save the world (or something like that). For example, Allen's interest in Linali was hinted at and it's obvious that Linali cares about Allen (and the others), but that potential romantic tension somehow got lost in the struggle during the Ark arc and following battles. Though I found it funny that Linali seems to be oblivious to Rabi's crush on her (or maybe I'd just like to see it that way). Romance usually just doesn't get featured that much in Shonen manga...
I think they once tried to establish Halloween in Switzerland but it didn't really work. For me it's mostly just buying sweet stuff to give to the children that come to our door. Or maybe there are some Halloween dress up parties. But nothing more. I just remembered that we in Basel also have a "HerbschtmΓ€ss" (some kind of fair with some attractions and stalls that sell various things, mostly food and sweets). I didn't know the translation for Fasnacht! I can't really explain what we do at Fasnacht; I guess it was initially a rite to chase the winter (or maybe some demons connected with it) away.
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I'm studying anthropology and sociology, so when I read manga, gener issues and inequality are what I think about.
University really turned me into a critical thinker... but now I cannot enjoy a lot of shojo manga (I never read much, and I usually found it boring. Now I also find it offensive)
Well, I think manga show an attitude towards romance: boys aren't really supposed to be that interested in it. Romance is a side issue. Saving the world is more important. I think it also shows that larger social issues and self-sacrifice are values. Instead of going for the girl you like, you give that up and save the world (something consider to be more important)
Ah, I love Halloween more than Christmas... I like giving out candy to children, ad loved getting candy as a kid. I love the costumes most of all~ My mother used to sew our costumes. Today, I notice that kid's costumes are store bought...
"Herbst" means Autum, so it is an autumn festival? I'm studied German now for 2 years, so I know that basic vocabulary. I love old festivals like that~
I had to look up Fastnacht, I think in North America is it the beginning of lent.
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That's true. Before I started studying I wasn't that critical or maybe I was not that aware of certain topics. Maybe I just don't read the kind of shoujo series that are really bad... But there are also shounen series that annoy me at times... Well, I never liked the all too stereotypical shoujo series, the ones I read have mostly a focus on subjects I like or are special in one way or another.
I don't like horror stuff because I get scared really easily, so most halloween specials (for example on TV) are not my cup of tea! *lol* But I like the dressing up bit! And candy. ;3
I remember that my mother made our costumes for Fasnacht as well (occasionally at least), but today the stores are filled with costumes to buy. Maybe it's just easier that way...
Yes, Herbstmesse is in autumn! But I don't know the tradition behind this event. It's a trademark of Basel though and has been done for more than 500 years if I remember correctly! And the good part is; the open space next to the university is part of the fair as well! *lol*
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University is great for learning interesting things I might never have known without going. But I have midterms now, and testing is so important and that can be stressful. But it is worth it.
I hate high school shojo manga. They are so bland and boring. Shonen can also be boring. As I've gotten older and read more manga, I've developed very particular tastes in what I do like.
I actually also hate horror, oddly enough. But it doesn't really get in my way of enjoying Halloween. There are a few Halloween films that aren't horror: "The Nightmare before Christmas" and "the Corpse Bride".
It is easier to but costumes, but it usually happens that all the kids have the same costumes.
That must be great~ I don't think my city has any kind of traditional festivals like that, and I live in a very old Canadian city.
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That's true... Good luck! ^w^
I don't really like high school shojo manga either. But also most shounen-ai one-shots also tend to be so stereotypical... Same goes to shonen manga. There are a few gems everywhere, but my tastes have also changed. I started getting bored with manga I loved some time ago because they tend to get too repetitive...
Yes I've seen those two movies and I like them! Hm, well Halloween isn't all about horror and I also like drawing or writing gruesome stuff I'd be afraid of *lol*
I can imagine that things look the same if the costumes are store bought...
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I think Japanese manga publishing houses purposefully contract towards stereotypical on the basis that a formula works, then repeat it. It gets very boring. The only shojo manga that impressed me (without actually liking it) was Fruits Basket, because I was surprised about who the characters ended up with.
The Nightmare Before Christmas as a staple of m childhood. I even watch it during Christmas... there is a certain aesthetic that is a appealing and still disturbing.
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Well, maybe it's safer that way? But I think there are Manga within specific genres that are slightly different; DGM wouldn't strike me as a typical mystery, adventure, boy's themed Manga. Maybe it's the setting, or the character development that are making it different. I'm not really sure what makes me feel different about DGM than for example Bleach, Naruto or Dragon Ball (for me typical shounen manga). All of them have been favourite series of mine, before DGM came, but they lacked something, or maybe they focus too much on subjects I do not find that enjoyable - it's always battels, battles, battles. I'm not saying that there aren't battles in DGM either, but somehow every one of them has a purpose. Or maybe that's just what I think because I am biased... It all depends on how you want to read a manga...
I started reading Fruits Basket once but I wasn't that interested in it and therefore don't really know what happened in the end.
I guess that I like Manga not clearly focusing on romance (be it either shounen or shojo) much more than those that have pairings. For example Bleach: It's obvious that Orihime loves Ichigo, but there's no relationship established, so nobody is forced to accept the pairing. It's always so annoying if you disagree with a pairing but the Manga is all about it *lol* So maybe it's also better to not focus on pairings too much in shounen manga because some readers / dislikers of a certain pairing might turn away from it. And if you have stories with love triangles (which seem to be very en vogue within shounen series for some strange reason) it gets even more complicated... (And often splits fans into two viciously battling camps... Just thinking of Macross Frontier I get very sad when I see how many people hate Ranka... But I understand disliking a character based on how he or she "gets in the way" of a pairing...)
Most of Tim Burton's movies are disturbing to some extend. I was very grossed out by Sweeny Todd though and looked away half of the movie... *frowns* Nightmare Before Christmas is really very beautiful even though it has elements that might be disturbing. As a child I didn't really understand part of the movie, maybe also because I had no clue what Halloween was and also the Christmas traditions seem to be quite different as well.
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Hm, I`ve heard people say that DGM is typical, but I don`t feel it is that way. But I am biased, and I dislike Naruto and Bleach
I don`t think DGM has that many fighting scenes. It doesn`t rely on fighting to get the story to develop. and the art is much better.
Fruits Basket isn`t very interesting, but I borrowed the manga from a friend who liked it. I liked how the girl ended up with the guy I didn`t expect.
Romance is alright, as long as it isn`t the only thing the character is interested in. Shonen manga rarely make a pairing official (Hm, I remember Orihime, but I thought Bleach was leaning toward Rukia. I only watched a few episodes...). I think it is to appease the male audience, who are more interested in battles. A romantic angle could alienate the main audience. In shonen manga, it is always two girls. It seems to be a male fantasy to be fought over by beautiful girls who are really too good for the male character...
I think people, for a strange reason, get emotionally invested in a paring. So, when a oairing they like is threatened, they get defensive.
For me, I still support Sheryl and Alto (Ranka even looks like a child... and when she puts Alto on a pedestal, I can`t take a relationship seriously) but I understand that Alto and Ranka have been supporting each other when Ranka decided to become a professional singer and Alto joined SMS (though Alto was on his way to accomplishing his dreams by leaving his family before he met her...)
I saw Sweeney Todd in theaters ... *shudders*... I could`t sleep for two weeks... I`m really not good with horror. I thought it would be funny (a musical about a serial killer. I thought it was a comedy!!), but I was really upset... I really don`t like thinking about that movie...
I love the music to the Nightmare. True, different countries have really interesting traditions. In some parts of Germany, it is baby jesus who delivers presents, not Santa (who might have been created by Coca-cola.)
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Yes, I think that in DGM the art is very nice, even though it tends to change from time to time. Well, the fighting seems to be different in DGM than in other Manga; there IS fighting but I don't think it's the "hero faces amazingly strong enemy, hero powers up and defeats enemy. A new even stronger enemy appears. Hero powers up again and defeats the enemy. All alone". Okay, that's not in all the manga, because there are heroes that cannot cope with certain enemies. Allen has more depth to him than always searching out his limits with new fightings; they are still weak (Allen couldn't defeat Tyki and he is weaker than the Generals, which makes sense after all). But I'm biased as well (and I've read a lot of shounen series)! ;3
Hehe, yes that's true; there are a lot of manga with various female characters fighting for the male character... I don't really like that though.
I understand why one would prefer Sheryl over Ranka, but I still have that image of Sheryl just at the beginning of the series in my head; and it stuck with me - she was arrogant and self-absorbed... She does support Ranka later on though, but I still feel that the things she does for Alto are based on how she could profit from them (to win him over, I mean...). But you're right, the friendship between Alto and Ranka can seem unequal because she fangirls over him... Oh well. In the end I don't really care that much about it anymore, I just feel "cheated" because all the trailers to the movie seem to focus on Sheryl...
Yes, I'd rather forget that Sweeney Todd experience as well (but I liked some of the songs! *lol*)
We have the same tradition here; there's baby jesus ("Das Christkind") who delivers presents and we also have St. Nicolaus aka "Samiklaus" (which would be Santa I guess, but he's not that flashy) with his side-kick Schmutzli (no idea who that actually is) coming to reward good children and punish bad children. I used to be afraid of him *lol*
I think it's somewhat funny to imagine that Coca-cola might have invented a figure that is somewhat representing Christmas today >w<
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The art does change, but usually only after a long break in the manga. Allen has a few "power up" moments in the manga. When he fought Suman, then in China when get got Crown Clown and finally when he faced off Tyki and had an over 100% sync. But I still maintain that it is done better in DGM than other manga. DGM doesn't feel stereotypical and formulaic. If DGM were a stereotypical manga, he would have surpassed Tyki when he powered up, and he would now be able to defeat a general. However, Allen is still far weaker than other generals.
yes, first impressions are hard to get over. I admit, I did not like Sheryl much when she was introduced (I actually liked her a lot more when I thought she was older than Alto...). She seemed like a typical diva, and that Ranka would be the done-to-earth love interest. It was very formulaic. So I was very surprised with all of the Alto-Sheryl moments and how at the end of the show, he hadn't chosen. Though, in some ways, not choosing is also formulaic...
Ranka also does a lot of things to win Alto over. She decides to become a singer because of Alto and she is always turning to him for support. The first thing she does on her own is run off to bring Ai to his home.
Hm, Sheryl seems to feature prominently in the commercial. I think we see a few clips of Ranka on a scooter and a voice clip.
Some of the songs were so funny... but the visuals *shudder*
I've heard of Schmutzli! Is he the one who stuffs bad children in a sack? Every Christmas a documentary comes on that details the history of Christmas. I love watching it.
I am pretty sure Coke popularized the current image of Santa.
Terry Pratchett actually has an interesting book about Christmas, The Hogfather.
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It's true that he powers up, but it's not as drastic as with other shonen characters where they suddenly are stronger than anybody else (until a new enemy comes that demands more powering up.) But I can still understand it if it's criticized as overdone. Allen's boost seem to be very dependant on his emotional status which isn't suprising considering he's a parasitic Innocence user. But maybe he won't be able to power up in the future because the 14th disrupts his emotional landscape. It could be possible that his power will fail him at a certain point. I'm really curious what's going to happen in the next chapter, fortunately the wait's nearly over.
Yes, not choosing seems to be some escapist move of Alto's. Although it seemed to me (having finally mustered my courage to watch the last episode some months ago) that in the end having his dream achieved (and saving Ranka and humanity) was far more important than dealing with two love-struck girls. And I think that he's either ignorant or just doesn't care that much about it. Even though I had the impression that he and Sheryl had some sort of mock relationship or make-believe relationship while Ranka was away, doing questionable things...
It's kinda bad to think about the fact that one of the decisions Ranka did on her own was something as "foolish" as running away to get Ai home. It seemed foolish to me because her actions appeared so rushed. If she trusts Alto then why couldn't she explain it better to him? And why does she run away simply when he hesitated? Argh. Anyway, Sheryl just doesn't have a personality that I can agree with. I admitt that she appears strong and determined, which is admirable, but there's just something about her that I dislike. And when I started watching the series I was convinced that I'd be shipping Alto and Sheryl and already got irritated when I saw Ranka for the first time in the opening (even though I then thought "oh, she's still a young girl, nothing to worry about"). I really surprised myself with turning from one thing to the other in a matter of 20 minutes. *lol*
In the end I just want them all to be happy, even if maybe they won't get what they wanted or deserved. I'll probably be a little bit of a "sore loser" if Alto ends up with Sheryl instead of Ranka though, but I'll get over it.
I'm not even sure if it's Schmutzli who stuffs children in the sack, it's been such a long time! I'd love to watch such a documentary and there probably are a few, but I always seem to miss them...
"Hogfather" sounds ominous... *lol*
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Yes~ The it less than 2 weeks the new chapter will be out. It left off with such a tense situation~ Kanda~ Allen~ And what about the scientists~ We may even find out more information about Kanda~
Hm, to me, it really seemed like Alto did not understand that Sheryl and Ranka were chasing after him. Usdually, the position would be for a girl, so I really approve of the role reversal. Maybe he only sees them as friends. Though, Michael seemed really annoyed that Alto had not chosen a girl or even noticed how they were after him. For Sheryl, I think he just thought she was just flirtatious with everyone. Ranka acted like she needed his approval, so he probably never thought she wanted more from him...
I found it really sad when Sheryl and Alto were living together... It just seemed so sad for some reason...
I still maintain that the story would have been more interesting if Alto had been a girl and Sheryl and Ranka were boys. It would have been a nice reversal for the Macross franchise.
Ranka's decision just seemed really selfish. She had an entire city depending on her to save them, and she rushes off to bring one of the monsters back! Her whole dependence on Alto's acceptance also really bothered me...
It is funny how opinions can change so quickly... I usually worry that when a younger girl is chosen to be the love interest, it's because of a general trend in society to make youth a fetish. I've read a lot of sociology books about this disturbing trend. But as long as its based on characterization, preferring Ranka is fine.
"The Hogfather" is a great book. Pratchett's books tend to be translated into many languages, but I don't know what it would be called in German. It was also turned into a movie~ It has a duality of being friendly like Santa, but also mixes older ideas about what he was like. So it can be very ominous.
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Yes!! I'm looking forwards to spoilers already! I really wonder what she'll show in the chapter!
Well, in anime/manga aimed rather at men (Mecha series usually are, even though the pretty boys attract a lot of female viewers/readers as well) there's usually one man and a little harem to pick a girlfriend from (or not). I usually dislike these triangle relationships, because I get annoyed by the intrigues and drama that Shojo manga usually confront us with...
Poor Alto... In his position I probably wouldn't be able to make a good decision as well... If he choses then probably the girl that represents his own wishes... But his claim that "both are his wings" (or something along these lines) was - even though it was understandable - not really satisfying for me... X3
Well, if genders were reversed then it would be quite different, that's true. I quite like the pics I've seen of male!Sherly, but I still like a female, cute Ranka! ;3
It was selfish, I understand why it can be held against her. But I can also understand her to some extend - a lot of humans make wrong decisions and Ranka was shown as someone who's quite emotional and dependant on the approval and love of others. I do not think that this is a bad thing in itself. She's not as strong and determined as Sheryl, she does not rely solely on her own judgement to make decisions. But she has lots of good points as well.
Well... It's not as if Ranka was that young. I think she's 17, around the same age as Sherly and Alto... I doubt he (or the directors of the anime) would chose her because she's young if Sheryl's the other option. I find it a bit stupid though that poor Klan Klan gets turned into a child when she takes on normal human size... But I understand what you mean though - I am a bit disturbed by certain (mostly female) celebrities who "refuse" to grow older - I think it's somewhat scary... It seems to be necessary to be young and beautiful in order to be successful...
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It is so soon~ But every month is going to be such a long wait... it will be pretty awful... Most of the manga I read is now monthly...
At least in shonen, the love interest isn't the only plot going on. There is always something like politics or morality being discussed (even if it is done badly). While the entire point of shojo manga to to get a boyfriend...
I also dislike triangles. I just want one hinted at couple, not the possibility of others.
I think Alto is just clueless when he claims that both girls are his wings. I don't think he does it to be cruel, or try and have both of them. I don't know if he even sees them romantically...
I like male!Sheryl too, but I worry about the concept of a pushy man that "Cyril" would make. Would be be pushing himself on Alto? Or would be be an expression of healthy sexual interest? Or would he be q complete scum, who sleeps with any girl?
I thought Ranka would make a very cute, nonthreatening boy, with his first crush on an older girl. He would be so adorable~ And try and respect Alto and look up to her. Hm, there is a problem with that: I find myself disgusted with the idea of a girl in awe and adoration for a boy, but I'm amused if the roles are reversed... does that make me a hypocrite?
All in all, relationships should be based on mutual respect, and the end of the anime, I still didn't feel Ranka had that. She still idolized Alto.
A female Ranka could still be after Alto? I don't read shojo ai, but I don't have a problem with it.
I thought Ranka was 15? Ozuma mentions she will be an adult soon. At oldest, she is 16. Alto has his birthday during the series, making him 18. Sheryl's age is never given, but she is in the same class as Alto.
The treatment of older women can be very harsh, especially in film. Women are rejected for roles of women their same age, and the roles are given to much younger females.
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Yes! I can't wait! >w< For me too, the only weekly manga I keep reading is Bleach (and Naruto, but only because I read the beginning and now want to know how it ends *lol* but I no longer care about it). All the other are monthly as well. What series do you read? Maybe there's something good I don't know yet or haven't tried yet.
I agree. And I mostly don't like official pairings in Anime/ Manga either because there's no way to ignore it if you by chance don't agree with it. But then again, if I like the pairing then it's fine *lol* (but that rarely happens in Manga where it's not already obvious - especially in Shojo Manga. But I mostly like the pairings in Games).
Hmm... Sheryl seems to be shown as a very sensual and sexual person (which doesn't mean that she's sexually very active...) If she were a man and still behave the same towards girl!Alto then she'll probably be quite pushy. But I guess "Cyril" (now I have bad images of DGM Cyril molesting Alto) would not be scum that takes any girl. Or maybe even if he did before, meeting Alto probably would change him - the same as apparently Alto changed Sheryl (she seemed rather bitchy at the beginning...).
*lol* I don't think that this makes you a hypocrite >w< It's with genders reversed after all. I think it's funny for a boy to look up to a girl with awe, but I also don't think it's bad for a girl to look up to a boy in awe. Ranka just pushes herself into that fangirl role, also with her awe for Sherly, so maybe she just has to get out of that and see that she has her own good points. Boy!Ranka would probably behave similar like Luca with his crush ;3 But two guys (or even more, there's a harem of boys around girl!Alto after all - or are all the characters usually gender switched? *imagines female Brera*) fighting for Alto... That has the potential of being very shojo-esque...
Oh, was she that young? Well, then she still has potential to grow up into an independant woman *lol*
"The world" (how Hollywood and other industries imagine it) does not want to see old women (but older men are still considered to be very sexy for some reason). This is somehow stupid, but maybe for people trying to fight the fact that they too are getting older, seeing only a beautiful, young and fresh world reflected in the movies is some kind of relief? I don't really like that, I don't care for the world of the celebrities anyway.
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Only a week and the new chapter will be released~
I read FMA, Soul Eater, Ga-Rei , Aria, Juushin Enbu (all monthly). I think Bakuman is the only weekly manga I read now. I used to read Naruto, but I only like Sasuke and I find it really boring now...
The pairing always bother me... like in FMA. The female characters have these strength, and then they get all 'mothering' and play a passive role in their relationship with the men, and they always work to support the man... Though, FMA actually probably has the best portray of women in most shonen manga...
I have to admit, since I started reading a lot of feminist books, Sheryl's open, unashamed sensuality appeals to me far more than safe, childlike Ranka. Plus, I think Japan has a creepy tendency to sexual-ize immaturity (body-wise) and child-like traits.
I can't really accept the idea of a woman changing a man. I think Osacr Wilde wrote that in "The Importance of Being Ernest" with Cecily.
Ah, DGM Cyril is hilarious...
Yes, Ranka is a fan girl. That actually might sum up what I dislike about her...
Ranka does stop fangirling over Sheryl eventually and see her as a rival. Yes, a boy-Ranka might be like Luca. Young, inoffensive and worships the girl they like.
I think the idea of two people fighting for the same person is very shojo. Macross Frontier might be a mecha anime, but it really isn't for male viewers.
Old men get to stay sexy, especially if they have not gotten married, while women seem to fall apart and if they are not married, it is because no one wanted to marry them...
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Some spoilers are already up! >w< But... ugh.
I read FMA as well! I know Soul Eater, but didn't read it yet, the others I had to google. *lol* I've only read the beginning of Bakuman, but I'm still reading Naruto despite not really being interested in it anymore. Well, I like Sasuke as well but the last few weeks I really didn't get what the heck was going on.
Winry does that, and I can't really take her and Ed serious, but I don't really mind it. I really like Izumi though! She's one of the female characters that I like most! My favourite character in FMA was Envy though... Or Hohenheim ;3
Well, that's true; there are a lot of characters liked for being childish or child-like, especially in Japan. I usually don't like these characters (or the series in which these characters play an important role...).
Hm. Sometimes changes in personality just happen, but when a woman goes out to decide that she will now change a man for the better (or if a man decides that he will now teach a woman the proper way to behave etc) then that's something to raise an eyebrow at. It seemes pretty overconfident if one thinks one can (and has the right to) change a person.
Slimy, perverted Cyril Camelot...! I really like him, even though I'm still a bit angry at him.
Ah, it would be nice if we got a bit more insight into the characters of Macross, I can't even tell what Alto really wants and if he's even interested in either of the two girls... And it would have been nice to get a bit of his background especially what happened with his father.
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Ah~ I came back so late last night, I was just getting ready for bed, and I checked a DGM community and the new chapter and scans were up~ I don't understand but I was so happy~ But I didn't think the new chapter was going to be released until Nov 4th?
Hm, looking and the relationship between Ed and Winry, I never liked it. At one moment, they are fighting, the next she's mothering him... or just taking a passive role and waiting for them to include her.
Izumi is awesome! She has such an adorable relationship with her husband.
Riza has her moments of being great, but I woudl prefer her relationship between her and Roy to just be friend. A woman can be dedicated to the ideals of a man and not be doing it for romantic reasons!~
The child-like role is one I really dislike. It beckons back to a time when women weren't considered worthy to be educated and inferior... it worries me when I see the husband-teacher and wife-student role. I would prefer them to be equals.
Ha! Cyril is hilarious~ I wonder if his wife knows this about him. But I think their relationship probably lacks passion... poor Tricia...
Yes! I wanted more background of Alto as well~ I wanted to know what made him finally leave his father's household and when he really got interested in flying. Or when his mother died. And I would have liked to see young-Alto and Alto in kabuki costumes... but the fight between Alto and his father would have been interesting~ Was he rejecting his heritage because of new western influence? Japan is very community oriented, and what Alto did when he left would be considered very violent. Was he leaving because of the western individual mentality? I would have also liked to see young-Alto really struggle with his decision to leave, and even try and stay for the sake of his father.
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The chapters are always released earlier as scans than they are actually out in Japan. I found that out when I was in Japan, wanting to buy WSJ, but it was out days after I read the scanlation! I find it a bit ironic that we can read the chapters before the Japanese do, but I won't complain! *lol* I didn't read the scanlation yet, because apparently there are a few translation mistakes in it... But I liked that chapter (despite how girly Kanda suddenly looks...!)
I don't really like Ed and Winry as a couple either, maybe for the reasons you stated. I also don't really care about Riza and Roy, on one hand I like it and on the other hand I don't. I have a feeling that if they were romantically involved it would disrupt the dynamics of their relationship...
There's nothing I can add to Izumi - she's great the way she is! Her husband as well! *lol*
If such a relationship where the male partner takes it upon himself to educate his wife is not being critically dealt with then I'm not that fond of it either. But it's fine as long as it's shown that it's not a good situation as it is and that things need to change. And it depends on the setting, if the story is set at a time where such relationships were completely unquestioned then it's "okay" I guess. But with a modern day setting I doubt it should be shown as an ideal relationship...
I also feel a bit bad about Tricia, I doubt she knows anything about her husband. He seems to treat her nicely though, but it probably doesn't go much beyond that...
True...! Alto's backstory would have had that much potential, but they just ignored it! Grr. I doubt any of the movies (apparently there are two if I didn't misunderstand) will deal with that... There are drama CDs and other comics that deal with what happened before the start of the Anime but I doubt it goes that far back (I only have a magazine where Alto is cross-dressing for a play. *lol* It's quite hilarious to look at, but he already seems to be unhappy with acting then...)
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That is so strange... we can read it before the primary audience in Japan can...
Yes! Kanda is looking very effeminate and I prefer his old look (even if other people claimed it was still feminine...)
The relationship between Roy and Riza would also be seen as an abuse by a superior officer... A lot of places have rules against people dating within the corporation. On one hand, i can understand why there are rules against it, but when the work place is the primary place where people socialize, it can be tricky.
Still, I`m not crazy about the relationship. I sort of like Riza and Havoc.
Izumi! She is awesome!
I greatly dislike the idea that a man was considered better than his wife. It was so hypocritical how society dictated women as intellectually inferior, without even really educating them. So they couldn't even justify treating women as secondary citizens!
Poor Tricia... but she seems pretty happy...
Alto`s story could have been so great! And I bet that the movie does not explore it either... There is a picture with Alto coss-dressing. I know it is the story of how Alto and Michael met, Alto was still a theater student and playing the role of Juliet... I wonder when Alto started to dislike acting...
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Kanda is just a good looking man, but even though there are these instances where he's looking a bit too feminine for a man his age, there are still those scenes where he's dashingly handsome, with broad shoulders, trained arms and a sharp face...! <3 I don't care or actually support when Allen's depicted as looking rather girly. But that is not surprising... at least not for me. I just don't like it when Kanda looks more like a girl than Linali... I'm quite glad that we saw Kanda shirtless various times because I don't have to doubt his sex that way...
I don't really care that much for pairings in FMA. Havoc is a nice character though (lacking luck with women. Poor him!), so maybe it would work out. I just like the way Roy and Riza are shown, I don't need more or less than that.
Tricia appears to be happy, yes. It's not surprising, even if it's just an act, Cyril seems to be a devoted husband. *sigh* the more Cyril is shown the more I like him...!
Maybe he didn't really start to dislike it, but just found that other things would be nice to do as well and when the wish to do something else than acting was disapproved of by his father, he might have started to actively dislike acting as a means to get back at his father. He still likes to act and be the centre of attraction (at least if his brother is to be trusted).
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I agree, Kanda does have moments when he is drawn in a very masculine way, but then Hoshino draws him in such a way that is so pretty... But I never doubted when Kanda first appeared that he was male. I was really upset during the anime when his shirtless scene in Matel wasn't animated!!
I am perfectly fine with Allen being drawn in a feminine way. But that is because I yearn for a strong female main character in a good shonen manga...
I'm perfectly fine with a shonen manga having no romantic themes, but FMA is pretty inclusive about the themes of life and death. So, romance is going to be there, at least a little bit. Though I was surprised when in the manga, Winry admitted she was in love with him. Shonen manga tend to be more subtle when it comes to love confessions. But that might be the influence of a female mangaka.
Cyril~ His interaction with Tyki was so funny. I also loved his "Papa-antenna".
GAH~ Macross F would have been so much better if it had given more information about Alto. But in a way, the story was about Sheryl and Ranka as much as it was about Alto.
Hm, does Alto like to be the centre of attention? I never really thought about it, but he is certainly used to it. He grew up in that kind of environment where you get used to being on stage.
His father seems to be really controlling. I remember the episode with young-Alto getting hit, so I thought that there might be an issue of abuse. Alto might have been willing to deal with discipline, if he could please his father. He seemed to like acting as s child, but if participating wasn't an option and he didn't feel he could make his father proud, leaving might seem like a better idea.
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I never doubted that Kanda was male either; I was rather surprised that people had thought him to be female! *disappointed* He is pretty and there are a lot of female characters having the same hair-style and bad personality. I wonder why *lol* I didn't even notice that the shirtless scene wasn't there! Or maybe I did, but I can't recall. But the Anime did censor a lot of things... and added a lot of silliness in exchange...
Well, I have a feeling that for Allen his gender doesn't matter at all; even if he were a girl (with the same background) nothing would really change. Maybe that's because Allen's an ambivalent hero or maybe because there is no real romance involving him (yet?). Ah, DGM with a female protagonist would have been very nice...
It's true. Somehow there's no much getting around the fact that Winry loves Ed (and Ed loves Winry, even thoug he's too immature to confess)... The feelings might be there but no real romance has been able to develop with any of the characters. But I still feel uncomfortable with Ed/Winry for some reason, it's not that I dislike any of the two but still... Meh; Winry just doesn't compare to the other strong females we've seen in the series; she's not weak but she seems to rely on Ed too much...
Maybe Macross Frontier focused a bit too much on the girls' infatuation with Alto (and their career etc). Alto seems to lack character because we do not really get to know his motivations; the flashbacks to his childhood were short and unsatisfying (same to Sheryl, I guess her background would have had more potential as well. Also with Ranka, a lot of things remained unexplained) and in the end we are not really sure what he wants. A lot of what Alto does seems to be motivated either by a) what his father expects of him (follow family tradition, get on stage) or b) what his mother's wishes were (fly freely in the sky). And then of course he gets pulled along by both Ranka and Sheryl...
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I think that people just see the pretty, long hair, and think, "oh, the mangaka wants us to think he is pretty like a woman".
I've read that Hoshino is considered to have a pretty solid cast of characters and avoid the stereotypes, but Kanda does have a few stereotypes in him. But, unlike most, he has not been won over by Allen's charm and they have not become best friends. Thank goodness.
The shirtless scene is in the second volume of the manga. Kanda was leaving the hospital and I think it is where we first see his tattoo. I was crushed when the animators left it out~
I hated the silliness they added...
I'm glad that Allen has that androgynous look and design to his body and character. But I still think that DGM would get great if Allen had been a female character... I hope that Hoshino never gives Allen a clear romantic relationship. though, in a recent interview, she has said that because of her move to another magazine, she will "stop holding back", But I hope this means that DGM will get more Gothic and horror.
Winry is just not independent enough... thought with Riza and Roy, I can pretend their relationship is based on mutual respect.
I think all of the Macross series are like that. There is always a romantic triangle and the boy as the pilot and the girls are the singers... Alto does at times seems flat. But I really don't understand why other characters call him immature and petty. He broke away from his family to make himself happy and he is good an piloting. just because he doesn't return the infatuation of two girls does not make him a bad person. I don't even think he was leading them on.
I suppose the series only concentrates on the present, but it is disappointing.
I would have thought that Alto would really resist getting pulled along by others, especially after what it did with his family. He had to obey and crush his own desires to live up to his father's expectations. But it seemed at the end his father had accepted that he was a pilot.
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Kanda IS pretty, but he still had traits that clearly marked him as a man; I do think that he is probably quite stereotypical in a way, considering how the others in the cast are not that easy to put into categories (though some might argue that they are I suppose...). He is the pretty, but cold, antisocial, a genius as an exorcist (though not really that educated) that doesn't get on with the protagonist because of clashing ideals and morals. And next to that he had traumatic experiences in the past. However, I still think that Kanda is an interesting character, especially because he really didn't "fall" for Allen and Allen still doesn't really like him. I both fear and look forward to the unravelling of Kanda (and Alma's) past.
I think any left-out scene of Kanda with only half his clothes on is a tremendous loss! ;3 Especially as this scene convinced many that he is in fact male, even though it's kind of obvious in the anime because of his voice.
I also think that certain filler scenes or episodes were superfluous, I still cannot get over the "girl with poncho and skis in the coldest winter, wearing hot pants". I mostly ignored those filler episodes, but some were pretty nevertheless (injured Kanda in that mini Vittorio arc or seeing part of the novel in animation)
I really hope that not holding back will just mean a darker and deeper story for us, I will take romance to some extend, but I don't think that she's the fluffy romance kind of mangaka, she probably will give us some twisted love stories.
Poor Alto. I don't think he's deceiving any of the girls...
He can act rash or childish at times, but I do not think that he deserves to be called immature. Didn't Michael tell him that he's constantly running away? I don't really think that this is totally justified, even though he might shy away from facing his father now that he made his own decisions...
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Kanda's past really is something to worry about. The readers have had so long to imagine what it might be, the truth just might not live up to the expectations...
But I doubt Kanda and Allen will be getting along like best friends anytime soon.
It was such a gap~ The anime could have been greatly improved with that shirtless scene~
Ah, looking back at vol.2, I really do miss the old art style.
At some point, I didn't bother watching the translations of the episode, but just the raws. It seemed like a complete waste of time and broke of the flow in the story of the manga! They were some of the stupidest and most contrived plots as well!~ It was disappointing the animators tried to drag the story on, but when they were animating it, there was not that much to the manga.
I hope for a darker story and I think we are getting it. Look at the first chapter of the new releases, someone gets their arms and legs ripped off... and Kanda's back story with Alma seems to be a bloody tale.
I think Alto might just be oblivious. It would be considered endearing on a girl, but most people seemed to be annoyed by it. Michael certainly didn't understand.
I thought Alto had handled his family problems well enough for a kid. In Macross F, children become adults at age 16? So, that was probably when he left home, but had been planning it for much longer. he had to do an important thing, and he did it all by himself.
I think, telling a character "they are running away" is a standard phrase, and in this case, unjustified. Alto could not confront his father, because he would have been disowned. Michael clearly did not understand how traditional families worked, but I think the audience is supposed to agree with Michael...
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That's entirely true; we've received a first hint that he is looking for someone as early as the second volume... It really was a long time to come up with theories and expectations...
And the old art was nice! I really liked it around the Suman arc! But I also like it now, even though it's quite different.
Yes, I was a bit suprised that newly introduced characters get cut to pieces so ruthlessly (but we had Allen stabbed in the eye and many other hideous things done to him in the past...). And Kanda apparently went through something cruel as well... But I approve of a dark, tragic storyline. I once complained about pointless deaths but well, some deaths are pointless (and if they aim to show exactly that, then fine *lol*) and I won't mind a massacre (again) if I can enjoy a tragic story.
Well, I bet a lot of people agree with Michael that Alto needs to make up his mind. It might be actually hard for him to tell that the girls expect him to make a choice; Sheryl keeps on teasing him (so maybe he doesn't know when she's being serious about her attachment to him) and he probably didn't notice that Ranka has romantic feelings for him. I'm not entirely sure though, I need to rewatch the series (doing so at the moment, but I'm only at ep. 16). I really don't like how Michael tries to play match-maker. I don't think that Michael has the right to judge Alto or telling him that he's running away. As the protagonist of the series, Alto has to make a lot of decisions and I feel that some of them are not that good, maybe they make sense to him but oh well. But a look into his head would have been very nice...
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So long... and now we are finally having it revealed... I feel a little conflicted.
I like the art as long as Allen looks at least a little feminine. I've found I've liked all the art styles Hoshino has used, but it has been such a big change. I was attached to the first style. Usually mangakas only change art after they complete one manga and start another.
They were new; we didn't really have that much time to get attached to them. I think the concept of the thirds was what Hoshino wanted to introduce, not another set of characters. Hoshino has hinted the manga will get darker. I love dark story lines, so I welcome the change. DGM is a bit of a battle-manga, so they can be very generic. With DGMs new gore, it will hopefully get rid any hint of generic-ness to it.
Michael was supposed to be the friend who sits on the sidelines and figures everything out and knows what is going on. We are supposed to agree with hid point of view: that Alto is immature, but we really don't get to see Alto handle himself enough to really agree with that. I don't think Alto would easily take Sheryl seriously; their relationship revolves around arguments and Sheryl teasing him. It makes it easier for Alto later on to dismiss her flirtatious behaviour, where anyone else would have noticed her intentions. I guess I like relationships with some conflict.
I wish I had the time to re-watch Macross F. Maybe during the winter break.
Michael also does a fair bit of running away. He doesn't admit he likes Klan until the end.
I wish we had seen inside Alto's head. Instead we had two or three flashbacks... The movie is out this week, but I doubt it will have anything to it.
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Me too...!
True, true, as long as Allen is feminine I have nothing to complain about (or almost nothing, because I do not want Kanda to look all too girly). Hm, usually there is a development in the art to be seen, but normally it stays this way once it has changed. Hoshino did change often, mostly after longer breaks, so maybe she's still trying to find a style that suits her (and the story) best?
I still got attached to them...! Like I got attached to Link (who's still there, even etablishing himself as a constant side-kick) but oh well, it's probably true that the characters themselves weren't really important. 3rd exorcists seem to be exchangeable tools anyway (not as precious as normal exorcists)
I'm rewatching one or two episodes a day, but maybe I shouldn't (seeing as I have other things to do *lol*). But I'm trying to be more objective this time, studying the character interactions more clearly. But with Alto one just has to read between the lines because he never clearly states his thoughts (but one could interpret his actions) and everybody is always asking him to make decisions ("will you join SMS", "will you come to the other planet with me", "will you protect Ranka for me", "will you go see Sheryl at your father's mansion", "who will you choose", etc etc) even though they already expect him to choose the "right" answer...
The flash-backs weren't really enlightening... Well, as far as I heard the movie will make alterations in story line, characters and character relationships. So even if something was shown of his past, there's no guarantee that it's also true for the series, but I wouldn't mind. I really need more backstories, about all of the characters...
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I saw the third exorcists as expendable to the plot as characters, so I did not get attached to them. Something told me that they might not last long.
Hm, I have gotten attached to Link, even though he is Leverrier's underling. I should dislike him for that alone.
The Thirds seem to be a little crazy... like they were brainwashed...
Alto is actually very quiet. I'm not sure how he became friends with Michael and Luca. It was probably Micheal's idea.
For someone not considered to be very responsible by everyone, they seem to try and foist responsibilities onto him an awful lot.
Who knows what the "right" answer is. I doubt they think whatever Alto chooses is right, they all seem to have strong ideas of what he should chose.
So, the movie might not be canon. I doubt they will show much of Alto's past. A movie is like a short story, it has a short amount of time to get the message across, so every scene must be carefully selected. If Alto's past doesn't add something to the story, it will be neglected.
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I didn't think I'd get attached either, but it's already passing, so it might have just been a short-lived fancy *lol*
I don't dislike Link for being Leverrier's underling, maybe because I don't really hate Leverrier, despite the fact that he did despicable things fo the sake of the Vatican (or for whom exactly? He used to have a grudge against Hebraska, but now that he's the head of the family he doesn't seem different than his father / Hebraska who sacrifice people)
Hm... they probably were drilled to be obedient to authorities and not to question what they have learnt (they are a part of the Vatican after all, blindly following dogmas is never a good idea...). Link is quite obedient to orders as well, but I really like him, he might be cold at times, but he also seems to be caring (even if it's only for Leverrier ;3) and gentle at times - he can be nice to Allen, so that's a plus point? Hihi.
Well, Alto can be pretty rash and emotional, he's not always quiet. And he gets caught up in things quite easily (I guess both Ozma and Yasaburo have accused him of making decisions because he's been caught in what is going on around him and just moving with the flow instead of taking the time to really reflect), so maybe it was difficult to get out of Michael's graps once he set his eyes on becoming friends with Alto.
As far as I read the movie didn't show anything of Alto's past. But if Macross continues to be succesful then they might continue doing stuff for the series? Ah, I want to see the movie...!
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Leverrier's link to Hevlaska is interesting. Is she one of his descendants that were killed/sacrificed to help create the Order? But doesn't he justify anything to win the war?
I hope we get to learn more about Link's past~ His first priority seems to be Leverrier...
I actually think that Alto had taken a long time before he decided to become a pilot and switch school programs. He had probably been a very obedient child up until that point. I think claims that Alto is rash that are made by Yasaburo and Ozma are mostly to discredit anything Alto does.
I think there is a second movie being released to finish the story.
I hear Alto looks even more feminine in the movie~
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Seems to be some kind of double-standard with Leverrier; he judges Hebraska (I think she is most likely related to the Leverriers) for killing her own blood but he himself is perfectly fine with causing blood to be spilt and sacrificing people.
Well, explaining Link's past would probably give us a glimpse of how Crow people grow up and live, but I don't know if that's relevant to the story. But I would still like to know more about him!
Hm, it's not hard to imagine that Alto's father is very authorative and Alto might have just grown into being obedient. He was still playing that Kabuki role when he was 15 if I remember correctly, but maybe he started being a bit unsure about what he really wants to do when his mother died? So maybe it was a long process of getting alienated to what his father wanted him to do. He was raised to be an actor, so maybe breaking away was superficially easy for him (he has been accused of just playing his roles after all) but he's actually still in the process of really making up his mind? I don't know...
Well, I also think that Alto can be rash (in battles), but it's not necessarily a bad thing.
Yes, there will be a second movie, I wonder when it'll be out and if it's just a direct continuation of "The False Diva". *lol* I also read that he has quite nice (feminine) hips in the movie ;3
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I wonder if seeing Leverier as a hypocrite is what we are supposed to see. He's angry because his own family members were sacrificed for the Order, but he is not willing to sacrifice anyone else. though, his reaction to Hevlaska as a child could have been just that, a naive child's reaction. I assume that he grew up put of voicing his distaste for Hevlaska and a willingness to make sacrifices.
Link's past probably isn't necessary. The story is fine without it. It might explain more about how the Order is run, and another dark part of the BO's history.
The Kabuki children are actually notoriously polite! It's how they are raised to be soft-spoken and obedient. I think that is likely how Alto was as a child. I think, Alto was still in the midst of figuring out who he was and what he wanted to do, not what he was ordered to do. Which is so odd, because he walks into another situation that is fraught with hierarchy and demands unquestioned obedience.
I remember on the first episode, Michael asks Alto what he wants to do when he graduates, and Alto was unable to answer. So yes, Alto still had no idea what he really wanted to do, besides fly.
I read a summary of the movie, and the story wasn't complete. So the next film should be a continuation.
Happy Birthday!
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I think most readers just see Leverrier as a nasty bastard... Ifeel that, despite being nasty, he still is an interesting character, but maybe I'm reading too much into him.
Maybe Alto is still too used to be obedient then, he was sort of pulled into SMS by how things developed. He is not always obedient though; when he was asked to cut down on his performances during Sheryl's concert, he still did what he wanted (probably because he still likes attention ;3). Maybe Alto does not want to rebell about the structures of hierarchy and the obedience that come with it (seeing as proper hierarchy is still important in today's Japan) but he still has his teenager - young adult confrontation with his father when he wants to rebell against him and the expectations he has in him... The fact that he does not know what to do with his future seems to highlight that... Maybe once he has his dream he can think about what else he wants to do.
:3 :3 Thank you!
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Leverrier is shifty.
I think Alto still had a ways to go in becoming independent, but he was making an effort. He really does just get pulled along by the ideas of others though. Wanting his freedom, he ran away from home (I wonder how he pays for school? Scholarships?) and then joins the SMS, where he has to take so many orders. It doesn't seem very well thought out.
Ah, Alto must be very used to being on the stage, so I doubt he gets stage fright. On stage he is a showoff, but I rather believe that when it comes to school, he'd rather he ignored.
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I hope Leverrier doesn't get killed all too soon, I think he still has a few secrets to spill. And I'd like to get the things about the Leverrier family cleared up a bit (I want to know about Hebraska...)
Maybe the school is still being paid by his father because he did first attend the acting class? Or maybe Yasaburo had pity on him... I also wonder where he lived before he joined SMS, it doesn't appear as if he had a part-time job to pay school or rent...
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Hm, is Leverrier the type of character to get killed? The story seems to be getting darker. But I think he will last a while.
I don't think his family would pay his bills. Yasaburo would have brought it up if Alto had claimed to cut ties with his family while still taking money. I think when Alto left his family, he really did it for Independence, which means not taking their money. I doubt Alto have made much money as an actor. From what I understand and have read about Geisha (though they are different), he would have had a huge debt to repay. It take a lot to raise a performer and then they have to pay it back. Unless Alto was very popular, he couldn't have afforded to live after leaving his family. Maybe scholarships and loans?
I really hate the fact that Macross F never goes over those details~
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Thinking about it, Leverrier will probably not die all too soon, maybe he'll even survive to the end of the series, but it's really hard to predict. The series is getting darker or maybe it just revives the thematics that Hoshino established with Suman and the experiments Linali witnessed in her childhood. A bitter sweet ending where those who don't "deserve" it survive and those that brought about peace die would be nice, but seeing how Hoshino doesn't seem to mind killing a heap of finders, she hasn't killed members of the main cast, or even secondary characters like the Thirds yet. As Leverrier still serves a purpose for the story telling (at least that's what I think) he'll probaby stay alive. Oh, Cross as well, he was "killed" now that I remember, but I think he'll come back in some way or another...
Hmm... maybe it's scholarships and loans after all - I bet the school was willing to provide him with a scholarship, he IS talented after all (both in acting and flying).
Well, it might seem like a clichΓ©e idea, but Macross is a Mecha series to some extend and going too deep into the characters doesn't seem the biggest concern of these stories. Macross is not the best series when it gets to plot and character motivation... And there are a lot of things left open even after the serie's ended. But I think it's difficult telling everything within 25 episodes while trying to pack in as many flashy battle scences and girls dancing and singing... >w<
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I have a feeling Leverrier just might survive... it would be in-keeping. Leverrier, who really hasn't seen to suffer much but cause a lot of suffering, would get to live a long life. He may even be very rewarded for what he has done...
I think it has been accepted that Cross would not die in such a way, and that he has escaped and is living somewhere (probably in the arms of a beautiful woman...). He'll show up sooner or later.
I think Cathy Glass remarked (who has the same voice actress as Allen~) remarked that Alto had very good grades in school. They might have given his scholarships because of that. I don't think Alto just decided to join a new faculty, but had actually planned on how to pay for it as well.
For a series that comes off as a little high school romance anime, they didn't get into the details of Alto's living conditions... I don't think Macross is a very good mecha anime... it has too much romance and high school love triangles in it to be a mecha anime designed to target a male audience. But then there is Sheryl and Ranka's fan-service.
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I really wonder what has happened to Cross and who "killed" him - was it really someone from Central, or did the 14th give an order for him to leave the order? Cross is really an interesting character because we have no means of understanding him - there are too many secrets about him and nothing got revealed yet!
Hihi, yes I noticed that Cathy and Allen have the same voice actress - it immediately made me like Cathy more ;3 I'm not that well versed in mecha anime so I can't really make comments on how they are supposed to be, but fan-service seems to be quite important, whether for the female or male viewers (the Gundam series seem to target at girls with all their pretty boy characters...)
About Alto's living conditions; when he was with Sheryl in one of the last episodes they seemed to share an appartment, so maybe he does have a home outside of the SMS living quarters where he seems to share a room with Michael...
All in all, I do think that Macross F is not a brilliant series if one cares about details, but I still found it quite enjoyable as a whole (even though I think they would have needed to include an episode 26, the ending was just not satisfactory, too many questions were left open...). And there's always fandom to make up for the lack ;3 But I don't think that there are that many fanworks for Macross, at least not in the English speaking community (and especially not in the German one)...
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