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Published: 2010-08-11 06:12:18 +0000 UTC; Views: 52298; Favourites: 959; Downloads: 1408
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What I felt was a more fitting version of a "Gender is...Gender is not" poster I came across online. [link] (No fullsize version available, but you can buy them. I'm cheap...so yeah. Thusly, this!)Feel free to print, use, whatever you'd like, spread them everywhere!
NOTE: Thanks for all the faves & feedback, guys! I can't really keep up with it, but I know you're there!
This deviation is open to suggestion for change! Want something added?
Taken off? Is something offensive? I'll be glad to fix it for you - or make a more fitting version.
EDIT: Fixed "JUST male or female" AND placement of "sexual orientation" Thanks everyone!
I might start doing more things like this...seen as it's the only one of my deviations that has gotten any response.
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THIS IS NOT REAL. THIS IS ALL JUST RETARDED.
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Don’t use the r slur.
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I understand, a few years ago I went through a similar phase.
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The facts of life
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Wow, I can believe the amount of discriminatory comments you've gotten. I apologize for my fellow humans, they know not what they do. Deviantart should really have a policy against that kind of talk.
"Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men. It varies from society to society and can be changed. While most people are born either male or female, they are taught appropriate norms and behaviours – including how they should interact with others of the same or opposite sex within households, communities and work places. When individuals or groups do not “fit” established gender norms they often face stigma, discriminatory practices or social exclusion – all of which adversely affect health. It is important to be sensitive to different identities that do not necessarily fit into binary male or female sex categories.
Gender norms, roles and relations influence people’s susceptibility to different health conditions and diseases and affect their enjoyment of good mental, physical health and wellbeing. They also have a bearing on people’s access to and uptake of health services and on the health outcomes they experience throughout the life-course.
There are often misconceptions about terms related to gender." --World Health Organization
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How are stating facts discriminatory?
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You can THINK you're the opposite gender all you want, you can get all the surgery you want, you're still the same gender. It's not something that you can just change. "I'm a woman who used to be a man" No, you're a man with a mutilated penis and some bags on saline in your chest. Gender isn't a state of mind and it is determined by chromosomes and organs. Being "transgender" is a medical condition that should be treated like an illness and not rewarded and praised. That's like telling a person with depression "Oh! It's OK that you want to kill yourself! Here's a loaded gun!" You're letting them destroy their body and make themselves an outcast!
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"Deviantart should really have a policy against that kind of talk." You pretty much advocated for censorship.
"Gender refers to the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men." That's is just wrong. Otherwise, a man in a dress would be called a woman. That's not how gender works. Gender and sex are almost the same. The only difference is that one can change their gender while the other cannot. You cannot change your biological sex.
" It varies from society to society and can be changed." Society doesn't give a damn if you wear a dress. Most people just live their lives.
"While most people are born either male or female, they are taught appropriate norms and behaviors – including how they should interact with others of the same or opposite sex within households, communities, and workplaces." This isn't something that is simply taught. It's part of our nature to do so. There will always be people who don't fit into that situation. But that doesn't change the fact that there is a biological behavior sketched into our minds.
"When individuals or groups do not “fit” established gender norms they often face stigma, discriminatory practices or social exclusion – all of which adversely affect health." For some folks who are truly transitioning, it varies depending on where you live. For example, trans folk in Iraq gets it far worse than here in America. May it be from religious stigma or years of hatred of gays/ trans. But if you are non-binary or anything else, people are going to avoid you like the plague. A lot of "non-binary" folks have the need to dye their hair and have to push their ideas towards people. They lose their shit if you don't refer to them to their "preferred" pronoun. Half the time they expect we use the word "they" in a singular tense. See the problem yet?
"It is important to be sensitive to different identities that do not necessarily fit into binary male or female sex categories." So you are admitting that non-binary people are just like your average mentally retarded person. There is no nice way of saying that.
"Gender norms, roles and relations influence people’s susceptibility to different health conditions and diseases and affect their enjoyment of good mental, physical health and wellbeing." I agree that society for a long time has changed its point of view. However, we also should not treat a mental illness as the norm. We should not change the meaning of some of the words because of some folks just need to push this idea that there are more than two genders.
"They also have a bearing on people’s access to and uptake of health services and on the health outcomes they experience throughout the life-course.
There are often misconceptions about terms related to gender." In till you notice that it is, in fact, a mental illness.
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You literally took a statement the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION said and declared yourself smarter. A-mei-zing.
Tbh I've been waiting for some dumb mf to come along and argue against a direct quote from the worlds leading medical authority just so I can have some fun schooling them. You showing up took longer than expected. Apparently the ppl who posted comments after me had really tiny balls. So even though you're about to get owned i congratulate you for standing up for what you believe in to someone who is clearly capable of responding.
Welcome to school.
1) There is a difference between a mental illness and mental disorder.
2) Gender Dysphoria is not a mental DISORDER. Those come about through experiences of discrimination.
3) Depression and suicidality are mental disorders.
4) The meaning of words change all the time. That's how we create a better understanding of our world.
5) Simply stating one should be sensitive to non-binary identities does not mean they're mentally retarded.
6) Sex reassignment surgery is a thing. Biological sex can be changed.
7) Simply wearing a dress does not make you a woman. Identifying as woman, presenting as a woman and undergoing the required medically approved processes makes you a woman.
8) Many websites have policies against hate speech. Freedom of speech does not apply to websites. The persons who own the site is free to censor whatever they see fit.
9) Just having an opinion doesn't mean you're right. Having an opinion backed by legit sources makes you right.
(Legit sources available on demand)
(Or you could just Google it)
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"You literally took a statement the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION said and declared yourself smarter. A-mei-zing." Never claimed that I did. I simply explained into greater details on what is going on with this statement.
"Tbh I've been waiting for some dumb mf to come along and argue against a direct quote from the worlds leading medical authority just so I can have some fun schooling them. " Comes to shove that you have one large ego, don't you?
"You showing up took longer than expected. Apparently, the ppl who posted comments after me had really tiny balls. So even though you're about to get owned I congratulate you for standing up for what you believe into someone who is clearly capable of responding." To be honest, I didn't think you would respond because of you not responding to my last response to you. You really need to check your comments. Plus, I have a life outside deviant art and it seems that there would be no point in responding to someone like you. But since I have nothing better to do, I might as well entertain myself along with a few others so that way anyone else who comes to this page will see this comment. So, let's begin.
"1) There is a difference between a mental illness and mental disorder." No. They are interchangeable. The only difference is one of them is the origin of the source. It's like comparing heat and fire. the only difference is that one is a source and the other is an end result. But let's just say that they are not interchangeable and that we should not classify transgenderism as a mental illness but rather a disorder. Now what?
"2) Gender Dysphoria is not a mental DISORDER. Those come about through experiences of discrimination." I am about to use your own source against you. This PDF from the W.H.O lists transgenderism as a mental disorder in F64. www.who.int/classifications/ic…
and while there are debates on whatever or not the W.H.O should remove it from their page, it doesn't change the fact that it is still there. and because transgenderism reloves around your mental ability to cope with your own body, it's without a doubt a mental illness or disorder. You see, you say you bring in facts but so far I have yet to see any citations.
"3) Depression and suicidality are mental disorders." No one saying that they aren't.
"4) The meaning of words change all the time. That's how we create a better understanding of our world." There is a difference between changing words to improve the language that we speak and then there are people like you who demand that words must change because of a small group of people who don't fit in either gender must be addressed by either the word "they" or some other new word that they have made up. If someone wants to use someone else's "preferred" pronoun, I won't stop them. Maybe I will just back away and call them crazy but that's about it. But to force others to accept those teachings is another level of stupidity that must not be taught in schools.
"5) Simply stating one should be sensitive to non-binary identities does not mean they're mentally retarded." Yet a lot of these folks lose their shit when they aren't treated like some sort of princess! If you have to be careful around the people you hang out with because one slip up could cause them to go in a state of shock is pretty much on par with people who are mentally retarded! The only difference is that mentally handicapped people can't help on who they are. This whole non-binary bullshit is nothing more than a trend that some guy looked up in some history class and thinks to himself that because some Indians needed to be "two-spirited" therefore he has to be like them!
"6) Sex reassignment surgery is a thing. Biological sex can be changed." This sums it all. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwbHS6…
"7) Simply wearing a dress does not make you a woman. Identifying as a woman, presenting as a woman and undergoing the required medically approved processes makes you a woman." Then what is a non-binary person? What makes a non-binary person non-binary? Hell, why don't you explain this to this guy? www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GQ7DY…
In the video past the two-minute mark, he claims that he is a female. and there are people just like him. Please, Sherlock, do explain everything!
"8) Many websites have policies against hate speech. Freedom of speech does not apply to websites. The persons who own the site is free to censor whatever they see fit."
And this is why youtube is failing. PLatforms like youtube, facebook, twitter and others are fine with censoring right-wing ideologies along with a couple of left wingers who disagree with feminism but they allow the likes of ISIS to use Twitter to recruit people! You know, terrorist?! When you show bias towards a group of people, people will call you out on it!
"9) Just having an opinion doesn't mean you're right. Having an opinion backed by legit sources makes you right." Which is why you provided no CITATIONS in any of your comments while I have made one citation that debunks everything you have said so far and plus it's the very source that you claim that supports you! I have destroyed you with your own evidence! and the fact that you tell me the sources can be found using google comes to shove that you either too lazy to find these sources to back up what you are saying or you know you are full of shit and you would never think I would go this far to explain to you that you are a fucking moron! The closest thing of proving you right in one area is the fact that the W.H.O has "considered" that transgenderism should not be classified as a mental disorder. Like this article! www.washingtonpost.com/news/mo…
and even if by some miracle transgenderism is no longer classified as a mental disorder, it doesn't change the fact that it is not part of the norm! Get the picture? Good. Now please try to entertain me with your response! I would love to give you a humiliating spanking again.
Edit: Also you made so many grammar errors. It's not even funny.
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My ego is big, hard, and dramatic af.
You love it.
The statement made by the WHO that i quoted would have went into greater detail if that's what was needed. You're not the WHO. You injected your opinions into a direct quote without citing proper sources thereby implying that you know better.
Also.. having fun getting into a debate online doesn't mean someone has no life btw. You really ought to stop making assumptions. ;3
1) "Mental Illness" and "mental disorder" are typically used interchangeably. However, there has, historically, been a difference between mental illness and mental disorders."
www.healthyplace.com/other-inf…
www.cchr.org/quick-facts/real-…
2) I didn't quote my source for this particular point. Remember when i said i would provide them?
I checked your sauce tho and the terms transgenderism and gender dysphoria are not in it. Transexualism is though but like i said i wasn't using a WHO quote. Stfd.
"Gender nonconformity, or being trans, is not a mental disorder."
www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/document…
3) My point with #3 was that actual mental disorders such as suicidality and depression come about from from experiences of transphobia and discrimination.
www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/document…
4) An exonym is name used for a group of people by external sources and can often be offensive. An endonym is a name used for and by a group of people.
(example: inuit vs eskimo)
Teaching kids to respect a group of peoples choice endonym is not a bad thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym_a…
5) Your response was racist. Also there is a difference between mental disorder and mental retardation.
www.who.int/classifications/ic…
6) Funny video. From what i can tell your point is that SRS is typically used for erotic purposes which isn't really true because there many reason why someone would want to undergo SRS. Sex is just one of them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reas…
7) www.healthline.com/health/tran…
8) You're right. Sites do undergo scrutiny for bias. This doesn't mean they shouldn't have policies against certain forms of speech like the kinds that can create mental disorders in the vulnerable.
9) I wrote my response on my s4 mini while watching my gf play saints row. So yeah i was feeling too lazy to cite my sauce, you didn't. I did say I'd do it if you asked tho. Which i suppose i have now. How about that? I like the part where you only started providing sauce when i implied that you really ought to be providing sauce.
Edit: grammar nazi
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"My ego is big, hard, and dramatic af.
You love it.
The statement made by the WHO that I quoted would have went into greater detail if that's what was needed. You're not the WHO. You injected your opinions into a direct quote without citing proper sources thereby implying that you know better.
Also.. having fun getting into a debate online doesn't mean someone has no life btw. You really ought to stop making assumptions. ;3"
Comes to shove that you have the mentality of that of a child. Yes, I am not the W.H.O. but I am using sources from their very own website along with a few other sources that use the W.H.O website to back up their claims. I never claimed that you have no life because you like having debates. Jesus kid, you sure know how to put words in my mouth. And I am pretty sure that this won't be the last.
1. It's nice that you actually putting up citations rather than pulling words out your ass. We will use your logic for now and say that mental illness is not the same as mental dysphoria.
2. I literally point it out from the PDF in part F64. Here is the direct quote from it.
"F64 GENDER IDENTITY DISORDERS F64.0 Transsexualism A. Desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by the wish to make one's body as congruent as possible with one's preferred sex through surgery and hormonal treatment. B. Presence of the transsexual identity for at least two years persistently. C. Not a symptom of another mental disorder, such as schizophrenia, or associated with chromosome abnormality. "
The article you posted talks about how transgenders don't kill themselves because they are trans but rather because of bullying. That's is true. However, to outright claim that gender dysphoria is not a mental disorder because these types of behaviors that trans people do is abnormal. That is what the literal definition of a mental disorder is. And there are still sites that still see transgenderism as a mental disorder which includes the W.H.O.
www.healthyplace.com/gender/in…
psychcentral.com/disorders/gen…
3. You posted the same source twice. No one is saying people who are different won't suffer from being mistreated nor do they kill themselves based solely alone that they are trans.
4. That has very little to do with gender pronouns. Plus, you do know that these folks will come up with new gender pronouns, right? Such as Xir, Xe, hir, hirs, Cirs, Mx, Eirs and many more. This picture is going to come in handy. uwm.edu/lgbtrc/wp-content/uplo…
This is the real world. These people aren't a race of people. They are just a bunch of children who are trying to rebel against the "system".
5. How the fuck did you come up with the idea that somehow I am racist because I dare criticize non-binary folk?! Is somehow being non-binary the equivalent of being black? I am simply stating that those folks on Tumblr and many other places where they need a safe space filled with kitten and puppies that they are on the same level of that of people who are mentally retarded because you need to be careful on what you say around them because one slip up could cause them to go in depression! If you don't have the backbone for words, you should not even be outside!
6. You can change your sex. Simply cutting off your penis doesn't make you a woman. A trans woman is not the same as just another woman. Have you met a trans woman who could naturally give birth? Go on, I am waiting...
7. I think this has been said before by so many folks before me but here is a shock, THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS. And plus there are people out there who don't even bother to go through transitioning and they still call themselves the opposite sex. Like varmitcoytoe In the link. So, if gender is nothing more than a state of mind, what's to stop people from identifying as an attack helicopter?
8. Calling someone out for being a special snowflake should not be part of the laws that "protect" them from harm.
9. You made a statement that the W.H.O supports your claim without even bringing up the original source. You have NO room to talk about me. Also, what's with the "sauce"? Can't you say "source" like a normal person? Oh, wait! You defend non-binary folks and claim that I am being racist towards...non-binary people. This is your logic. I am no grammar nazi but there is a thin line between making spelling errors every now and then, and making spelling errors like you have some sort of mental handicap. Kinda sad that I am responding to someone like you.
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Please go to a zoo where they accept freaks
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Fucking retards their are 2 genders
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four comments that mean the same thing.
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Go kys you faggots their are 2 genders male and female. I supported the lgbtq community but now that this shit is out you can go fucking be outcasts you fags. Lmao
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Supporting trans/non binary people is NOT a reason to kill yourself. And don’t say the f slur.
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You made a mistake.
You put the titles the wrong way around!
LOL remember to double check before you post
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You don't get to decide what genders exist
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male and female. XY and XX. It's simple biology!
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Common sense has been abandoned, oh my..
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No it hasn’t. Actually do research on trans/non binary people instead of blindly hating on them.
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Not just common sense. they abandoned reality.
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you speak truth, intelligent person
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Yes, indeed.
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Reality is made up of cold hard facts. Which means both of you have abandoned it.
There are countless organizations around the world that corroborate what this picture explains. Literally a butt ton. These are the people that created the beautiful long lives we all enjoy today yet here you are literally disregarding medical FACT. You think you're so damned smart but it reality you're just pompous and uneducated.
It's honestly amazing to me. You have the entire world of facts at your fingertips yet somehow you think everyone else who's actually done the research is wrong.
#GetWoke
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It's a medical condition. These are delusional people who need help, not "Men in women's bodies" and vise versa! Stop supporting this crap!
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No. It is not a delusion.
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Where are the "facts" providing details on how gender is a social construct? Where are the "facts" about how people can identify as anything and not have a negative outcome? You talk about facts yet all you have done is pretty much insulted me by saying that by rejecting this idea we are being intolerant. You think I owe these people something? I am sorry but I don't recall non binary people creating the internet or building the home I live in. You act like world peace has been made because of these people. You know what we call people like you? You are a modern-day version of a freaking hippie. The only difference is that you are more political in the same sense as Barney the dinosaur as a adult cartoon.
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By that logic , I could say that traffic laws and age of consent are social constructs too.
That doesnt make Reckless Driving or Pedophillia OK
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There is a difference between personality traits,feelings,and genders!
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YOU DON'T GET TO DECIDE WHAT GENDERS DO AND DON'T EXIST
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I can't tell. Are you approving or disapproving this?
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OMG you did not... You have balls my guy! HAHAHA
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