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Herr Baron, vampires are undoubtedly a formidable threat to Human life and happiness, but you're not exactly winning my enthusiastic support with such a monomaniac attitude; they are undoubtedly capable of being entirely Hellish, but so are all too many Humans.
Having said that even a stopped clock is right twice every day - if Dracula himself isn't a demon then he's the next worst thing!
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Well this is the group you was cheering for all along and turns out that they're nothing like you expected huh?
Also you can take your bizarre Anti-Vampire propaganda elsewhere because Vampires are individuals first and there are far more worse things out there than Vampires you know especially you begin to sound like a human supremacist who thinks we should be above the Food Chain and the mere existence of Vampires threatens that worldview or rather just because the Undead need the Living to survive and exist doesn't mean they're automatically a threat at all but more like Both the Living and the Dead need each other to exist because one cannot exist without the other as in if there's no life then there's no death and vice versa.
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I would like to point out that you are as outspokenly pro-Vampire as I am pro-Humanity; I would also like to note my agreement to the idea that Vampires ought to be judged on a case by case basis, which is an idea one does not believe I have ever contested.
I would, however, contest the idea that the Living "need" Vampires - an idea which Real Life tends to rather drastically disprove and which seems difficult to support even in the APEX SOCIETY setting. They certainly make STORIES more interesting, but I'm not sure the average individual would especially care to have a bloodthirsty neighbour, living or dead, much less one that supports their own continuing immortality and supernatural powers at the risk of bleeding the neighbourhood dry.
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I guess for those who are wondering why or if anyone has noticed that Carmilla has been alone all this time without the presence of her mother, Matska, and the Tall Pale Man described in Spielsdorf's story, turns out that Vordenburg killed off Carmilla's Family and meaning Carmilla is now the last of the Karnstein Bloodline and here we are having Vordenburg not only dehumanizing Carmilla by calling her "Demoness" as he displayed in the last issue that he doesn't even see Vampires as people but defines them by their Vampirism but also justifying genocide of vampire-kind with his self-righteous religious fanaticism pretty much along with the fact I also notice that Carmilla is much more sensitive to Catholic Iconography than Dracula is....
Speaking of which if Vordenburg considers Carmilla their "Number 1" target then what's hovering in the shadows behind her is something much much worse that is eclipsing her especially if those red eyes piercing through the darkness are any indication he's no other than THE "Dark Overlord of All Vampires" himself....
Regardless though, Vordenburg is guilty of Van Helsing Hate Crimes and will get his Just Deserts for it.
Although it's quite fitting that the Deity that Vordenburg worships happens to be a Genocidal Mass Murdering Patriarchal Tyrant himself and worse is that fact that since Vampirism is actually a much more preferable afterlife than both Heaven and Hell which unfortunately Vordenburg robbed the Karnsteins of leaving Carmilla as the sole survivor of course just to apparently "feed" his God and now he's going to pay....
(Yes this is all inspired by Legacy of Kain style gnostcism here).
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I have to say that Vampirism strikes me as only just preferable to the certainty of Hell, but Heaven is most definitely the preferable alternative in my book; I'd also like to note that dismissing The Almighty as a "Genocidal Mass Murdering Patriarchal Tyrant" is quite reductive, especially when one reads the New Testament as much as the Old.
It is also important to note that what is done in the Lord's name is not necessarily done with his Blessing, no matter how much the Self-Righteous may think otherwise.
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Yeah, much like either it's the "Sitting on the Clouds doing nothing" or "Being merged to your creator singing grace for him all eternity" or "A Family Gathering under Obligation like Thanksgiving or Christmas" sounds rather a terrifying prospect so no thanks which I rather be a Vampire instead of all that.
Of course that's exactly what the Abrahamic God is no matter what the New Testament says especially if you look into Yahweh's original Canaanite incarnation, he was a War/Storm Deity worshiped by Bandits which makes you wonder.
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I find it difficult to accept a blood-thirsty half life as a vampire as preferable to the prospect of Eternal Peace; to go on for all eternity only at the price of Blood Sacrifice does not strike me as at all attractive, especially if that Blood Sacrifice is more likely to result in murder than not and if the vampiric lust for blood reaches a level comparable to a heroin addiction.
At this point I think it sensible to forestall further theological discussion; as far too much of Human History goes to show, reasonable persons can commit horribly irrational cruelties when in disagreement over core principles.
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That depends what you define what "Eternal Peace" means which that could mean anything.
Then again one thing to remember that Vampires don't just "lust for blood" but rather blood is the source of life they require to remain on this world since relying on the source of the living is a requirement for undead beings whether it's Revenants like the Crow for example rising from the dead fulfilling some unfinished business before returning to their graves to "RIP" that is.
Then again it also depends on the particular strain though since there's certainly Undead vampires who feed on blood as the source of life but I think there could exist some "Biological" Vampires who simply feed on blood to replace their hemoglobin and such so it all depends.
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Strictly speaking, given the variety of possibilities covered by "Vampire" in Fiction and Folklore, it might be said that "Vampire" could mean just about anything you want it to (until clearly defined).
As noted, however, I prefer to avoid Theological disputes by simply identifying myself as a Believer in the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (Peace Be Upon them) and leaving others to keep their own conscience in their own fashion (barring some obviously objectionable cruelty - for example Abuse or Assault).
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I prefer to avoid Theological disputes by simply identifying myself as a Believer in the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and MohammedI think this defiantly explains alot who you are and where your moralizing ideals about Vampires come from which beyond this point I guess I would go no further than this.
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Fair Enough - Theology and Morality tend to make for very Serious, rather loud and often horribly contentious conversations.
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In all fairness it seems highly unlikely that THIS Baron Vordenburg was responsible for the deaths of Carmilla's attendants - unless they were vampires themselves* or Baron Vordenburg is MUCH older than he looks, given they were active back in the first half of the 19th century while the Baron himself is almost certainly no older than the 20th Century (probably born just before World War I, like the late great Peter Cushing himself).
*Admittedly this is entirely possible - my belief that they were Carmilla's mortal assistants, equivalent to Dracula's "Gypsies" (or even poor old R.M. Renfield) is admittedly founded on the very briefest possible appearance and may certainly be argued down.
As for the Tall Pale Man (dressed in black to boot) mentioned in CARMILLA, I took one look at THAT fellow and thought "Dracula hadn't even been created yet but he still managed to fit in an early bird cameo" (It's possible that I'm the only one, but one certainly hopes not).
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In all fairness it seems highly unlikely that THIS Baron Vordenburg was responsible for the deaths of Carmilla's attendants - unless they were vampires themselves* or Baron Vordenburg is MUCH older than he looks, given they were active back in the first half of the 19th century while the Baron himself is almost certainly no older than the 20th Century (probably born just before World War I, like the late great Peter Cushing himself).Well actually this is the Vordenburg that was responsible for the deaths of Carmilla's family and yes they were Vampires much like herself of course and they were not her attendants.
*Admittedly this is entirely possible - my belief that they were Carmilla's mortal assistants, equivalent to Dracula's "Gypsies" (or even poor old R.M. Renfield) is admittedly founded on the very briefest possible appearance and may certainly be argued down.Nope, Carmilla's Mother, Matska, and the Tall Pale Man is Carmilla's actual family or the rest of the Karnstein bloodline and she has no mortal assistants at all.
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Out of curiosity may I please ask if you played any role in writing this story?
It seems you either have a good deal of insider knowledge (quite possibly through behind-the-scenes discussion with Spearhafoc*) in which case one will defer to your opinions as canon within the APEX SOCIETY setting or are simply very confident in projecting your own interpretation of things onto Spearhafoc's work (a habit to which one must admit myself somewhat prone).
*I actually wondered if you might not be Spearhafoc himself, operating under an Alter Ego, but while that is not impossible it DOES seem rather far fetched.
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Nah, I think things are just highly apparent as they are especially Carmilla cleary saying they were her family which isn't that hard to figure out that is as I'm just pointing out here also I have no role writing this story either I just make detailed speculations whether they're true or not.
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"Family" can actually cover a multitude of interpretations - it could infer a direct biological relation, a shared vampiric bloodline, a community of the like-minded, a coterie of vampires or a mixture of vampires and their closest mortal servants, those whom Carmilla has chosen to love or those whom she feels compelled to attach herself to.
I don't believe you to be wrong, but I do like to point out that there is at least some room for speculation.
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Maybe things would be explained in detail in later pages or issues I don't know for sure.
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That's definitely part of the fun of following a storyline - even when you're not surprised, it's fun to find out how "on the money" your guesses are!
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Although do note that it should be obvious by now when Carmilla is talking about her "Family" she's actually talking about her noble bloodline i.e. the Karnsteins like her Mother and such are all Vampires as apparent here and Vordenburgs killed them all save Carmilla.
Then again I don't think you've seen the Hammer film "Lust for a Vampire" which details the Karnsteins which Undeath seems to be taking from.
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Aaah, that might be it - I've been going purely by the novella, which leaves things a good deal more ambiguous (I'm also far from certain that Hammer was the right company for the job when it comes to a CARMILLA adaptation: on the one hand it allowed her the dignity of being dispatched by the late, great Peter Cushing - surely the mark of a truly Classic vampire - but the House Style would hyper-sexualise EVERYTHING in the most tacky style possible).
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