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Hum, yeah. A crappy idea I got while playing Path of Radiance. There's that chapter where you can re-recruit Shinon by talking to him with Rolf, then finish him with Ike. The only problem with that is that Shinon is an enemy on that map, so when I try to make him "approach" my team, he can end up killing one of my members (which happened to poor Devdan
). I usually use Oscar to get into Shinon's killing range since he kicks ass so much in this game and not only he's a killer, but he's a tank (so Shinon always does 0 damage to him. Mouhahaha)!Anyway, that scene is supposed to explain that Shinon is the one who taught Rolf archery, and it's supposed to be a secret (I guess Shinon probably doesn't want to show people that he likes kids
). But how can this be a secret if I always surround Shinon with that much characters hanging around him (so that way he can't kill anyone. Sucks to have archers stuck with a range of 2, and not at least 1-2 like mages)? Fire Emblem physic, I guess...I always thought Oscar already knows that Shinon is Rolf's teacher because it's kinda obvious, but Boyd still doesn't know. Anyone thinks the same? ^_^
Yeah that's Ike behind Shinon. And I had to draw Kieran because he's made of too much awesomeness. Yeah and I made Shinon looks kinda soft... well... I guess deep inside him he's a softie
And I was too lazy to make a bg. Or to add super details. So it's crappy.
So...
Rolf, Shinon, Kieran, Ike, Boyd and Oscar © Intelligent Systems and Nintendo
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Awww! ^^
Yeah, anybody heard that!
I couldn't recruit Shinon in that chapter.
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Well, you can use the strategy I used in the comic, it works like a charm
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Ok. I will next time!
By the way, should I beat Shinon with somebody?
Or should I not beat him? o.o
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After so long of failing to search for your pic, I have one thing to confess.
It's RECRUIT! R-E-C-R-U-I-T! Not RECRUT!
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Yeah, I know, but I couldn't added the I, there wasn't be enough space for another character for the title, lol. So I omitted it :3
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(late reply but hey, better late than never) Yay! I'm glad it made you laugh! XD
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guh, i had so much trouble with that chapter at first. I spoke to him with Rolf, and then when I had Ike attack, I was confused when Shinon "died". My mistake was thinking he was gone for good. XD!
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LOL, it was same with me! Shinon's probably the most confusing unit to recruit. I was like NOOOO, Shinon!
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And he's awfully weak when you first recruit him OTL
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so cute when they hug each other >w< plus the last box, XD it looks like chibi
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They are :3 Yeah, I love hug pics lol, so I had to do one (It's weird to mix Shinon and Hug together >_> )
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Yeah, but I've heard that he has a well hidden soft side/part for Rolf...guess he's expressing it -other units look at Shinon hugging Rolf- (You don't see that everyday lol)
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Aw here's what I did. You use a guy like Maurim or Mordecai to lure him out (just make sure to equip them with a Beorcgaurd) and go for the kill!
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That's a good strategy as well!
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yes.. I'm on this map xD.. when next time I get the game back, anf continue, I will talk with him and "kill" him.. I need more good fighters xD (however I didn't get Gatrie back ^^'
thanks for the information xD
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Heh, no problem, glad it helped
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I hope it will be happen what I want xD he attack me, if I go close to him?
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Yeah he'll attack anyone who get in his range, but I always bring the one with the highest DEF so he doesn't do much or 0 damage on the unit ^^ Also make sure the unit can't counter attack because he will likely be able to kill Shinon, lol XD
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Then.. Boyd has the hightest Def (and Rolf and Oscar.. the three bros xD) but Rolf can attack back.. Boyd too, if he use his bow.. okay I see thanks.. oh, and Ike can't attack back.. but he is not so strong ^^'
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8D
Run, Shinon, RUN!
Oh wait, you're surrounded and you can't attack units right next to you. 8D
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Haha, yes, poor Shinon, I wonder if that kind of thing would work in real life XD Also, too bad he has to be "bleed to death" to join back XD
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when i recruited Shinon i also had everyone blocking his escape >
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Yay! You do the same lol XD Bah, I just use the most h4x characters to block his way so no one has to die XD Or put Rhys in the Blizzard spell range so he does 0 damage to him
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i think if my Rhys was alive to see that day, the Sage would have killed him...
Miracle loved the little Oscar standing there with the horse x3
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This is just made of awesome!
I always wondered if the other teammates overheard conversations, only being an earshot of a block away lol!
Nice drawings by the way!
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It's very funny that you see it that way. Before the 3D games, you never really know how exactly does one unit of space count - you sometimes step on the entrance of a single house, but at other times you step on an entire village.
And Intelligent Systems has no sense of physics, or for that matter, logic. Characters walk frustrating slowly and collision detection is bad in Paper Mario series; steering is a difficult thing to do in Mario Kart Super Circui; arrows and magic and the supernatural javelin can pierce through walls in Fire Emblem until the whole 3D thing made them realise their stupidity; and whose idea was that rocket launchers in Advance Wars series can either move or shoot, but not both in one single day?
I like Rolf in the last panel. And Ike and Oscar too. And I noticed Shinon was surronded by one sword user, one lance user, one axe user and one bow user.
Never played FE9, but I often use this tatic for weak units to gain all the experience they want. Works better if three units corner two enemies - an archer and a healer. The weak unit is weak no more!
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I don't have much experience with the other IS games, beside the 2D Metroid games (I think the old IS staff also programmed Super Metroid). I think they did an extremely good job on these games though (considering they are like ones of my favorite games ever, yes, I do prefer 2D Metroid games over FE games XD I just prefer FE characters over Metroid characters
Lol, the whole Shinon being surrounded by each type of weapon characters was totally random
Yeah, I use that tactic often too, I like taking my time to make everyone h4x 
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So... I see. I like IS's story-side or character-side stuff, and for the game itself, I always want to tweak those stats myself. IS has some problems with numbers, it seems. And... let me quit all these whining. Or I'll go endlessly saying how weapons are irrationally priced or how they should assign a different set of weapon ranks.
I know the whole weapon thing is random, and I like how it turns out to be! *receives cookies*
.....2200 turns? Are you kidding? Where did you try it?
Now it got me thinking... perhaps it is a good way to train units, after all. I'll have to hate it to restart the whole chapter after seeing a few unsatisfactory level ups though.
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Ahh, sorry again for the late reply ;_;
Well, yeah, 2200 turns, it took me many nights actually (don't worry, those weren't consecutive hours, I have a life
Unsatisfactory level are sure a problem in Shadow Dragon (in RD it's impossible to have a lvl up with 0 stat unless your character has capped everything before reaching lvl 20). One of my characters got like 5 zero stat up, I got so angry, and we can't really restart, especially when it's after 50 turns. (Arena abuse FTW) So at the last chapter, when he died, I decided to not restart, mouhahahah.
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...Eh. I hope dA would provide an EDIT feature.
Those FE11 people do have negative growth, but it seems HP growths cannot be negative no matter how you reclass.
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Yay for getting off-topic!
Now I'm looking at the map again, Jarod is a promoted halbardier. That's just too much for the Dawn Brigade. ><
So you let Jarod heal in his gate, and when he has enough HP you hit him... and repeat the process until you get the stats you want? That's some dedication.
So long as you're not playing the Japanese version like I do, you'll get Lv 20/20/20 people maxing everything at ease.
Still, seeing that I've beaten Easy with 545 turns, the whole 2200-turn thing got me surprised.
And I wonder what will happen if you abuse both groups and make them fight in 3-13. (3-P is a good place to train the mercenaries if you block Skrimir's way, but I didn't have that much patience that I didn't even wait for Skrimir to finish the boss - I just made Oscar use his short spear. It worked. Very effectively.)
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I heard Shadow Dragon is not a good place to arena abuse people. Too much arena and it'll very likely cause some death.
I've heard someone playing using mainly old people. Of course, that would mean some zero-stat up. I recall one of those units zero-stat level-up'd 3 times, and he just continued to play with that character with no restart whatsoever. More surprisingly, later in the game young people start to "compete" with their elders by starting having zero-stat ups.
This is what you get for having low growth rates and no promise for having at least one stat per level up. Only FE2 and FE10 have such feature though.
I have no plans for buying this game so I'm unlikely to be able to say much about it. (Don't blame me, but this is the third time that an Akaneia game doesn't interest me. And only these three game do not have my attention.)
By the way, Riff looks popular. Bald bishops with high resistence growth. Yay.
And it seems growth rates differ among versions. Japanese version actually has some negative growth (so it seems), and some healers may have a chance to have their HP "grow" to zero. Creepy.
And I talk way too much.
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Well I guess it's harder in the Japanese version to use the whole abuse since people don't get promoted without the Master Seal/Master Crown.
2200 turns was because I was in Normal mode, Exp is cut in half D:
The GM doesn't really need boss abuse as most of them are already godly, but I always make sure laguz don't reach the boss in 3-P so I don't even use the ballista to kill the Begnion guys. Funny that I also use Oscar to kill the boss (favoritism FTW), but I make sure they don't wear out their weapon too much because you can't get new weapons until 3-2, so they are kind of limited
Arena is good if you know how to use it. I just got careless once and Gordin got killed ;_; Since it was like the 100th turn I just decided to not restart. You just check the winning fee, and if it's below 800 gold, you are almost sure to win. But you have to be careful anyway. I quickly check their class and their attack, and if they will likely double my character, and if my character can miss, I just cancel the battle. It takes lot of concentration, but in the end, it works
Well it seems old manly bishop are popular 
Negative growth? Now that sucks, I'm glad we don't have it here. Though I remember seeing Caeda/Sheeda getting a -3 in RES after her promotion. I got so angry because RES growth in this game is either super low or simply 0. Oh well, at least it makes the enemies mage more powerful, which provide more challenges XD
It's okay if you don't get the game. I thought they were going further with characters personality in this game since this is a remake, but I was wrong. I love FE especially because of characters personalities, but this game has like 0 personality (beside for royal characters), so this sucks
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But the Japanese version also offers a Lv 1 Eddie and a Leo 1 Leonardo. Which means they have a larger chance of growth, and the highest possible stats are easier to reach.
And does that mean you'll need some 4000 turns if you play Hard? XP Easy is just too crazyily easy. When you finally reach Part 4, you'll play with "the easiest thing in the history of Fire Emblem" as my friend puts it. With 5~6 stats up per level, the Dawn Brigade will be godly if Bonus EXP are given before each battle. I tend to make everyone start with 99 EXP every battle - I didn't do it for Part 1 in my first playthrough though.
I did use the ballistae in 3-P, since both Snipers can get a good load of EXP out of that. Just make sure the mercenaries walk even faster. The GM are godly, but I don't think they can do much if they have to face Lv 20/20/20 DB people. In my playthrough, Ike + Ragnell cannot kill my frontline units (Sothe and Jill for their high defenses) in 3-13. And I don't think weapons serve as a big problem. They can easily take away their specialized weapons and play with only normal ones (those can be bought from Muston) and hang on until 3-3 or something.
By the way, I recall 3-5 was not an easy battle. I had to play it 3 times, the first time your favorite Oscar was killed out of his low speed, the second time I did't get the Master Crown (which is very important for the Japanese version of the game) and had to reset. The 3rd playthrough I had Gatrie hold the front line instead, and he barely made it. So yeah, the mercenaries aren't exactly invincible.
The RNG works in a funny way. HIT 97 (the highest I've seen) can miss and HIT 10 can hit. In some cases, you may even live to come out, just to be killed right at the entrance of the arena by the enemies if you simply rush into the arena and fight.
Since I prefer to keep as many characters as possible, this kind to playstyle just isn't mine.
Not all priests are old, you know. FE4's got Corpul, FE6's got Saul and FE9/10... yeah. Wrys (Riff) getting 5 empty level-ups is kinda surprising, especially since he has a good resistence growth. Not that I've actually played this game though.
-3 RES... Didn't you buy the Elysian Whip from the Wi-Fi shop thingy? Sheeda obviously gets the better end as a Falcon Knight.
Lack of personality is expected exactly because this is a remake of FE1. The strange requirements for entering the gaiden chapters aren't. I choose to skip this game out of many reasons, but this gotta be a major one. I don't like a Fire Emblem that asks you to kill your own characters.
And, as much of an IntSys fan I am, to be honest, if you want personalities then FE isn't quite a good choice. A lot other story-based games emphasizes on this; but for FE, well... All I can say is that the staff in IntSys aren't really too considerate in making their games better. They tend to call semi-finished games complete and sell them with many plot holes, stat problems and even bugs and glitches behind.
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Well Eddie and Leo are low enough in the NA version to get enough growth, and, with personal experience, they almost cap every stats anyway by 20/20/20. XD
I don't think I could reach 4000 turns in Hard since I don't have unlimited weapon use
Well I never got the DB at 20/20/20 by the time they reach the GM, maybe I can in Easy mode, but I never tried it
3-5 is the Protect chapter, right? Well I wouldn't personally call that one hard, just block the edge with snipers and units who can attack from afar (like Nephenee with a Javelin, Brom and Boyd with an Hand Axe, Soren and Ilyana with a spell) and put the ones with big defences in the open door (I personally put Titania, Oscar and Haar, with Rhys or Mist behind them to heal. For some reason, I leave Ike on the green spot lol). Since I have mounted units in the front, when it's mostly clear, I go straight for the Master Crown with one of them (well there isn't one in the NA version, but since I went to Serenes Forest, I know there's one
Yeah I consider the 97 hit thing in the Arena too. If this happens, I just cancel the battle. Because I did miss with 99 hit before (not in SD yet, but in other FE games as well
I haven't played FE4, and I didn't went further much in FE6 to know more sexeh young male priests, so in my mind, Rhys is the only one. I don't really count Lucius since he's too girly to be sexeh, and he doesn't use a staff at first
Elysian Whip? Oo I've never heard of such item in the game. I know there were Falcon Knight in the game since I've seen enemies in that class, so it really surprised me when I used the Master Seal on Caeda/Sheeda and she got that dragon Oo Online shop? Humm I haven'T paid attention to the online thing, so I might check this next time I'll play XD
Well I know FE games (even late ones) didn't go much into characters personalities compared to many RPG games, but they do have their charm. Especially the beginning of PoR. I recall every other FE I played (including SD) you always begin with some sort of Lord having problem with a war thing, so all the other character that follow the lord in the beginning will tend to be like "Protect the lord!" thing, which I find too generic >_> . I know Lyn doesn't really begin like a lord, but she learns about her birth thing like in the second chapter, so.. >_> But the beginning of PoR was different, you begin as a simple Mercenary group where all members seem close to each other in some sort of ways. I only wished they could have gone further with this "family" as it becomes less important as the story progresses (especially after Greil's death). I could say the same for RD where you begin with a group called Dawn Brigade who wants to do everything to save their country from tyranny. Well I don't count Micaiah as lord since you don't learn about it until... very late in the game.
I know SD is a remake of the first game, but since this is exactly what I had in mind, a remake, I was expecting it to have some better script. A Remake is supposed to be a lot more uber than its original game, but beside the class swap thing and the graphics, I don't see much improvement from a NES game (I never played the NES version, but I can guess it's very similar). It's like a downgrading from the games before that one, so I can understand this game having such low ratings.
Yay ranting >_>
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(I guess we should start shortening our incoming posts... it's going to pollute your page.)
The DB can get to 20/20/20 at 3-13 in Normal. All you need to do is to EXP spam them. Remember, Jarod is your friend. Or any other non-moving boss for that matter, but Jarod's space heals, so he's still a better choice.
3-5 isn't hard, it just requires tons of luck. My strategy is to make most of the team to unequip and stay on the edges; since by equiping, they kill and physical units may hit the magic ones even across the step, and once that happens it isn't going to be good, and for some units like Soren and Mia I want them to gain less than 100 EXP - I want to make them level up at base without using an entire level's worth of Bonus EXP. Planning and alculations needed for this trick.
Nephenee serves as the one to take the Master Crown, since she's the strongest in my playthrough. Nobody can stand the might of the almighty Stl Greatlance! And Nephenee cannot be hit no matter how hard they try. Her skill is alright; it's just the problem of her biorhythm. And I cannot bear to send Heather for the job; while she dodges well she isn't going to land any damage to those bulky armored units that she may end up being surrounded.
...You don't do a lot of researches do you? I'm kinda surprised to see some FE11 player not knowing how to get the Elysian Whip. Well, the Online shop thing... I don't really like it. Fire Emblem should never (besides arenas) be about action or timing. That's why I actually liked how Radiant Dawn used no Wii features (other than lacking soft resets of any kind) while most others complained.
For the FE story thing, I want to know why do they ignore non-major characters like that. It could be because of the whole character death thing, but PoR and RD already proved otherwise (which conversations seen only upon meeting requirements). I guess the script writers are lazy or something. [Oh, and a tillte trivia: do you know that FE's characters/story/music are mostly developed by Intsys's female staff? That might explain the series' rather unique charm. But that's exactly what makes me not look like a male gamer. (If you don't know yet, I'm male. Check my dA page.) 
The "protect the Lord" theme is quite obviously seen when you play SD easy. And I've heard many players (including Sakurai) choose to kill Jagen without a second thought. [Link to one such player's journal page.] On the topic of protection, I want to see an option that automatically claims game over when ANY of my units die. I hate the whole reset or "wait for turn end -> suspend (no Battle Save for JP ver) -> start chapter again" thing.
And finally, I don't like ramakes. For any series. For so long I've seen, only three remakes during the hisroty of gaming had my atteniton. Super Mario All-Stars (4-in-one + graphics), Kirby Super Star Ultra (close to original + extra contnets) and Metal Slug Anthology (7-in-1 for the price of less than one other game). FE11 as a remake doesn't really make it stands out from the original besides a much better user interface (you don't even know your own movement range in FE1 (and FE2)). My reason of not getting it is that: (1) I've just beaten Radiant Dawn, a far better game; (2) this game has requirements that I'll probably not do, like killing my own units. That means I'll never complete the game anyway.
I'll wait for a year or two and just wait for FE12.
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20/20/20 in normal is possible, but I doubt it is in hard mode due to less exp and Bexp, UNLESS you decided to only focus on few characters (you dump all the bronze weapons on all the other characters and you only let your favored units do the whole job). But for every DB characters, I don't think it's possible.
Plus, you gotta remember how tiring it is to do that, I usually almost fall asleep trying to level up everyone to the max. It's extremely boring and long XD But I think I can do it again, but this time I'll only favor few characters (probably Eddie and Leo again lol) instead of everyone so the 20/20/20 will be possible before reaching the second part of the game.
Well at the point of 3-5, having an already promoted unit really helps, Nephenee or anybody else (but if you want to finish the game quicker, it's better to give it to Haar since he's a flying unit, he can reach some crowded places quicker so you kill units quicker, even on enemy phase. If I remember, Haar does begin with better bases and higher level than her, and can easily kill any unit in one round).
I didn't know about the Elysian Whip since I try to not use any FAQs or guide until I finish a game. But I'll make sure I'll use it next time (even if people tend to say that Falcon Knight suck, but I want to try
Well I know the artist for the official PoR/RD characters art is a woman, as well as the musician, which might explain why there are so much sexeh guys in the game 
For some reason, I knew you were a guy, I've only seen very few girls speaking about stats and such for a FE game, they tend to go more on favoritism rather than stats (which I do too, but I still like to learn about other characters stats and such). XD
Actually, I wouldn't really like to see an automatic game over after any death of any unit. There are some non-forced characters I don't like (Sanaki first come to my mind) and she's the only unit I would not reset for if she'd died (plus, she doesn't really die anyway story wise, just retreat)
There are some remakes that are actually cool, but they are rare. It really bugs me to see so many remakes on the GBA (in fact, many of them were simply ports), I almost want to rename that thing a "remake portable console".
I hope the next FE is better as well. I think I'll be still playing PoR/RD by the time the next one is released
And beside, it's all right to speak about stats here, speaking of it on Gamefaqs is bad because it's mostly trolls there
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Since I play the Japanese version, I can't go 20/20/20. I don't think I'll even try to make them fight Ike's group. The most I'd do is probably just finish Ike himself. Story-wise I prefer Ike over Micaiah though, since Micaiah is too stubborn to even try to talk to Ike.
I don't think there'll be any 3rd tier units by 3-5 if that's what you mean. A Lv 10 Halberdier alone can take out an entire army, so there's no worries for that either. Haar cannot leave the defensive position because I cannot rely on Boyd for his low speed. The unit budgeting is quite tight there. Plus I prefer Nephenee because she has no real weaknesses.
And yay. Well, just consider me genderless when I'm online.
My least fav is probably Zelgius. He's cool and awesome and all, but he also kills innocents. Nobody tells you to kill Tibarn's subordinate when capturing Leanne, eh? Or whatever. Micaiah kills a lot of innocent people too. As for the game over thing, I meant it as an extra option - not an absolute. Link many other games, FE has a lot of players with different preferences. You can choose to play with magic units only (which I often do with FE6), use prepromotes only (or even Jagen only) and so on. And that's why I hope to see IntSys do something to compell with its users. IntSys is pretty decent with user interface, after all.
To be honest, GBA is not a good place to put remakes on, considering its horrible resolution. On a few aspects (mostly the resolution, and extendability as well), GBA is worse than even NES.
And for the next FE, I seriously hope they do it in 3D, best if they continue the story in Tellius. We've seen a 72-character FE, so maybe the next will exced 100... I dunno.
Speaking of stats here... I dunno. I've seen one fan comic based on the author's ranting on people's elitism in GameFAQs. Could not find it now, though. What keywords did the author use?
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Well I've seen a video of some girl (well I think it's a girl) playing RD with the DB owning the whole GM (it was on the Japanese version as well), but if I remember she mostly level up Eddie, but the rest of the DB were still higher level (and the GM were all second tier). You had probably seen it (I can't find it lol).
The only real Haar's weakness are thunder mages, but there aren't many, plus (unless there are two attacking him in a row and both hit, then he's dead, but it will rarely happens), Haar dodges well enough (well any character can dodge well enough). Just make sure the mage can't touch Haar in the enemy phase, then on player phase, simply kill the mage in one shot. To make it even better in 3-5, put Haar to the right of the map, and he will never die. I recall some enemies having the Wyrmslayer thing as well, but I think that alone isn't enough to kill him.
I'm usually genderless as well on the internet, but the exception is on DeviantArt where I can scream with my whole fangirlism heart because I noticed most of FE fans on DA are girls. So I can scream Yaoi/Shonen-Ai/Men hawtness without being bashed (well not all girls like Yaoi, but most of them don't mind it either).
Laura's not my favorite, but I admit she has good growth. Either that, or I'm very lucky with her. She keep having like 5 or more stats up after each level (with the most important offensive stats for her, MAG, SKL and SPD), unlike most of other units.
Well, yeah, I don't feel much sympathy for Zelgius either. I wonder how Ike can suddenly feel some kind of sympathy toward him after he beat him. I mean, Zelgius simply wanted to check out if he was better than Greil. He didn't feel even bad for killing him. I'm telling you, I bet if Zelgius wasn't hot, he would have less fans (especially fangirls)
I agree by giving tons of characters, you can have tons of gameplay styles. To add to your playthrough style, you can also do a "Required unit" only (though I don't think it's possible in RD because of Ashera), an affinity only, a girl playthrough only, a group only, etc.
I recall the resolution of the GBA is the same as on the SNES? I'm not sure about that.
I don't want too much of characters, since the reason they butchered the whole support conversations in RD is because they had too much of characters in the game (they even mention that
I didn't see that comic. Was it on DA? Yeah, that's what I don't like on GFAQs, you have to be high level to be respected lol, either that, or well known on the board. I'm not a regular on GFAQs but I'm still an "Elite" by title, lol
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You mean this video ? The author doesn't seem to have her(his?) gender disclosed, and it's pretty hard to find even in her blog... whatever. I recall at this point there should only be one Master Crown. Of the Dawn Brigade, Eddie seem to be a good choice for the first person to promote anyway... And let's hope this chapter isn't saved, because I think it's a waste of the precious Brave Sword.
Haar has one more disadvantage: he eats experience. For the same enemies, having others kill them is batter than having Haar because the enemies don't have a high enough level. I choose to let Nephenee kill most enemies including the boss because she is very promising with 4~6 stats up per level. Haar defends with Brom with a wider gap and they have to hold the position where the Crimean Knights join with the commoners. As a result, it halved the amount of enemies they each kill.
I see. I tend to ignore people's gender even when not on the Internet, because stereotyping people is not good. It's not accurate, as well. The biggest problem there would just be the pronoun used.
5 stats per level is like a norm for most Part 1 people. 6 stats, congratulations. 4 stats, let it go. 3 stats, RESET. And statiscally, Laura is the best saint; unless you decide that saints should have great strength for staff criticals. In that case, Oliver would be the best choice. Solution for Laura's problem: make her counter magic units with her staff. This should generate more experience than enough. Once she levels up, give her Paragon. And I should have realized this some months before.
Zelgius reminds me of a quote: "You'll get no sympathy from me." And Ike doesn't have no sympathy, especially if you played FE9. (I haven't T_T FE9 was expensive back then, and cannot even be sighted in any game shop now) I mean, look at Shinon. What do you do to recruit him?
Radiant Dawn can indeed be played in a lot of ways. The said author of the above vid has one with all magic units going through 4-Final. A Greil Mercenaries only run is possible as well, seeing how there are 11 members - minus Ike, that'll be 10, exactly the number of characters you can take to final.
Resolution: GBA: 240*160, SNES: 256*224. SNES wins.
Number of characters to join per FE:
FE01: 51 (52)
FE02: 16 per army (Alm/Celica)
FE03: 45 per part
FE04: 24 per generation
FE05: 47 (52)
FE06: 51 (54)
FE07: 44
FE08: 33
FE09: 43 (46)
FE10: 72
FE11: 51 (59)
(bracket = characters available, taking choices as separate entries; FE2/4/7/8/10 do not ask you to main painful character choices, FE3 has only one choose-1-from-2 occasion in Book 1 and I'm too lazy to count the total number of characters for FE3 available)
And I think adding more dialogues is a better way than to cut down the number of characters. What's the large-volume Wii optical disc for?
The comic is in dA. Just can't find it whatever tag I type in. It's basically about... ranting on how everybody prefer Soren over Ilyana and fill elitist comments all over GameFAQs. And I don't even join GameFAQs as a member. It does have some hilarious (if not annoying) topics though.
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Well there was an other video from the same author, and there was a voice in it (I think it's the video where Eddie still pwns the Greil Mercenaries in 3-E, but it was Oscar who finally manage to kill him... ), the voice sounded pretty feminine to me
Nephenee has good growth, but she's kinda hard to level as she reached the GM chapters (well same for many characters XD ). I think she's the best of the three sentinels (I usually try to make everyone uber in my game, even underrated characters, and she always come up better than Aran and Danved). But it's just my fangirl-ism that make me not use her in the Endgame or in the GM chapters though (I use her in Part 4 though, with Paragon and such XD)
Yeah, I agree stereotyping isn't too good, though I do it only on the internet (not in real life
Well I'm usually too lazy to reset after a bad level up, and I try to not use Battle Save too much (plus on Hard mode we can't use them D: ). Even when a character only get one stat up (even if it's one of my favorite characters), I just leave it like that. Most of time, by endgame, they reach most of the important stats ^^
Well Ike has some sympathy in PoR, but the sympathy seemed to have gone a little in RD. Maybe that's because, unlike in PoR, duty seems to come first. When Ike (as an enemy) attack the Dawn Brigade, what he says is kinda cold, something like: "Why are you fighting me? I won't give any mercy to my enemies, that goes for my former allies too!" Why, Ike?
I've never done a GM run as I don't use some of the characters in the group (mainly Mist and Mia), but seeing that most of their members are simply h4x, the Endgame would be easy
Hum, so the GBA and SNES don't have the same resolution XD I wasn't sure because I played some games on emulator (please don't shoot me >_> ) and I thought they were similar. D:
And I thought FE11 had more character XD Maybe it's because the character have really no personality it makes me think there were tons more. Like when someone joins, he always brings like 5 more units with him. I thought FE10 failed with the personalities, but now, my mind had changed XD
Yeah, adding dialogue would rock as well as numbers of characters, but if only IS could think the same think
Lol, I thought people prefer Ilyana over Soren because Ilyana is a cute little sick girl who is always hungry. FE GFAQs has some good trolls though, they aren't like trolls who mindlessly say stupid stuff, the ones on FE board actually say intelligent stuff XD I rarely reply to topics though. All I do is read. Yeah, some topics are fun to read
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Oh. Sounds like the author's effort to hide her identity is ruined.
Some uses Nephenee and some do not. The difference is probably determined on how you use her in 2-F. If you employ her for some really dedicated defensive works, she will level up very crazily in that particular chapter. And after that, she should be even better than the Greil Mercenaries. I actually have to refrain from using her in easier chapters because she kills too many, giving others no chance to level up. I doubt even the Black Knight can face her properly. (And he actually misses a lot with his awesome 40 Skill. Strange.)
I'm not against fans of any kind. After all, without these people publishers won't see such good sales fighures.
I'm not sure about "important stats", because good players will easily max everything at 20/20/20. A member of some Taiwanese Nintendo forum actually said I'm not good enough when I said Nephenee reaches Lv 20 with everything maxed except Magic (19/20) and HP (55/58). He said I should max them as well. And I ran out of Seraph Robes. Had to give these to easy-to-die Micaiah and Laura, and the 3 Brothers event is just too good to give up.
But Ike talked to Micaiah about setting with a talk as well. If anything, it's Micaiah's fault. Not to say I hate her, though, especially when she's the only one to max everything BEFORE reaching Level 20. She did so at Lv 17 in my run. And I'm surprised to see her as the best character, especially considering how she acts like a traditional Lord in Part 1.
Seen that Triangle Attack run. And I've seen "multiple Triangle Attacks in one turn" vids too. These need planning ahead. Too bad I'm not much of a Triangle Attack fan, considering how Sigrun and Tanith lack stats whatsoever and Boyd keeps missing his attacks. And I don't like crossbows anyway, seeing they do not give weapon experience and becomes useless later in game. I'm currently considering a run that mainly employs Part 1 characters (Part 4 gives more than enough chance for training units, so no worries), but before that I have to find a way to actually buy FE9. I want that Soren conversation.
You should know it better if you use emulators. I do use those too, but not on DS (that many do now). I don't use those for modern consoles because I can afford games now. Will do the same for computer software once I start actaully earning money.
FE10 isn't too bad with personalities. You don't see them talking often, but when they do they show who they are well. Say, Laura has only 2 base conversations, but that's enough to show her personality: she says whatever she thinks so, and is therefore a misleading (and as a result, hilarious) person. Some, like Gareth, suffer from this problem though. But it's not like the problem is unique in FE10 - you don't see much of Nils' or Hawkeye's personalities.
FE8 has only 33 characters and is the smallest-scale game (except that this game has tons of weapons) for modern FEs. It's not like all 33 get a good load of development. You don't even know who Knoll is when playing Eirika's route. It's not like anyone notices his presence anyway (except Lute who basically just loves sneaking on people XP).
I don't like Ilyana's appeareance in FE10. It looks like she got "old". She's crazier than Sothe in terms of speed of growing up, I guess. And I've never once actually "stayed" in GFAQs, I just keep seeing those discussion threads when I random-Google stuff.
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Eddie is popular, but it doesn't mean positively XD Mia and Zihark seem to be more popular despite Edward being the perfect cute teen anime boy. I guess there isn't just enough fangirls (and fanboys) of him >_> Personally I use him because I like his cheerful personality ^_^ And since Leo is his best friend, I use him with Eddie
Yeah I don't use Nephenee much in part two. I only use her in the chapter she's forced, and on 2-E, I always try to finish that chapter the quickest way possible (in one round with Haar (with a Hammer) and Leanne), so no Nephenee for me
Well, in my opinion, the most important stats are, for weapon users, STR, SKL, SPD and DEF. Same for magic users, except replace the STR by MAG. Others are good too. I could say RES is important as well, but most of people can survive magic attacks even though their RES are low (I'm thinking about Ike especially).
My Micaiah never really turned out good, but then, that's personal experience
Well the only reason I like the Triangle attack is that it's triggered by my three favorite characters
Yeah I know RD isn't too bad with personalities, but compared to PoR, that's kinda bad. But yeah, comparing SD to RD is something else, it makes RD looks like the god of personality XD Haha, poor Gareth. He got no personality in PoR, and in RD as well. I could say Kyza suffer from it as well, but at least he has an info where we could see what kind of character he is, and he'S boring
Well I only played FE8 once, so I don't remember much about characters, but I did like the story even though it was generic. I guess they really wanted to emphasis more on personality with PoR then.
Well Ilyana is a weird case. She looks boring, but people finds her cute. The fact she eats a lot but never get fat and is constantly sick are something too. She also have the biggest number of chapter where she can be played of any other characters.
Now that I notice, I begin most of my paragraph with "Well" >_>
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I start to wonder when will this conversation end... Well it doesn't matter anymore since screens of most resolutions shift our later convo away to a separate page. Maybe I should look for you somewhere else... like constant, endless private messaging.
I think one more thing that makes Eddie suffer would be the fact that he's RD only. There are a good load of people with only PoR. I'm in the reverse case though.
I didn't dare to throw Leanne out of the top part of the stage. And there are simply way too many crossbow users, making the fighting (at that time) difficult. Strangely, I didn't think of the hammer; the "ultimate" weapon at the time was Amiti for me, and I had to clear all the way full of shooters to even reach the boss.
Low RES is alright because you rarely see hoards of mages in a single cluster. But when you do, people like Ike has to watch out. It's kind of scary, actually. STR is important for everyone, or at least, you have to be powerful enough to lift weapons. The Empress shows a perfect example for this, where she can't even hold her own Cymbeline properly. (Str 2 vs Wt 5)
Proof that you don't have to be Level 20 to max everything . The only stat-up item used was Goddess Icon, which I gave to Micaiah and Laura because they get killed so easily. People say Micaiah does not have good growth, but for whatever reason she starts gaining 6 stats per level instead of the usual 4~5 in Part 1. And we always know RNGs of machines of any kind work in a strange way.
Micaiah's problem would be that she believes in Pelleas for too much. And other Dawn Brigade members are like "You shouldn't do this but we'll follow you anyway". Worst of all, Micaiah acts as if it isn't her will to kill. Ike may look like a brute, but he probably has a higher IQ than at least Micaiah. As for Daein's future... XD
Dheginsea is alright, I just keep using Rolf's triple range attack, and when enough damage is done, just Rexbolt him. The only problem is that you may not be well-levelled enough. Ashera is quite difficult, yeah, but her defense is still something quite worth laughing at. Crossbows are useless in later stages, and Rolf almost has no use of those at all since he's the most strengthful of the archers. I did use crossbows once though, when I sent Rolf to the front line because my other powerful units were busy fighting enemies from behind in 3-E. I'm interested in the triangle attack in PoR, but for RD, well... I don't have an infinite supply of Master Crowns.
Ilyana does look kind of cute in PoR, but... it looks like she grew much older later on. I assume she grows like 5 times as fast as other beorc, and 3 years looks much longer for Ilyana XD Too bad she isn't exactly easy to train since she isn't fast enough and her first stat to max is strength. A much better candidate to be a sword-and-staff fighter than Mist, I'd say. (I don't like sword-and-staff fighters anyway; Mist will be much better off if she can use anima as well)
I personally like Sacred Stones for the followings:
(1) No bad characters - everyone is godly;
(2) Good weapon system and it has a highest number of weapons in the series (maybe a little less weapons than in Radiant Dawn, but that's it);
(3) Endless fighting - too bad enemies don't level up according to the player characters' level; so fighting will get boring later on;
(4) A luckless Knoll. There's a probability that Knoll has zero luck at Lv 20/20; and he will never reach 30 luck without boost items.
I used to start everything with "Well" too, but has since avoided it; and now I'm used to not saying "Well" before everything
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actually in the radiant dawn you can use crossbows (yay) and... i love that chapter too XD (because shinon almost kill rolf before the chat)
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Haha, yeah that's true, but since this is PoR, I guess crossbow doesn't count ^^ (beside, I never really use crossbow, except for Boyd for the Triangle attack >_> )
O_O Shinon can attack Rolf? I thought he wouldn't attack him O_o
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