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You cannot use the bible as an excuse for being a homophobe if you're not actually a Christian. If you're not, why do you care what the bible says? Just admit it, you find them disgusting and are a sorry excuse for a human being.Template: `AssClownFish
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Deceitful-Fox In reply to ??? [2013-12-31 12:30:55 +0000 UTC]
Don't you think it's a little hypocritical to blame someone for finding something disgusting? Perhaps they can't help it, the same way gay people can't help being gay. I think we all need to stop shoving our sexuality down other people's throats. I've always said sexuality is not a substitute for personality. That's something people in the LGBT community--especially young people--seem to forget: your sexuality doesn't define you.
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MonocerosArts In reply to Deceitful-Fox [2014-02-19 23:33:14 +0000 UTC]
It's actully kind of complicated, but this is what Christians believe (I'm not referring to people who hate homosexuals simply for being homosexual):
God punishes sin, and to Christianity and Islam, homosexuality is a sin just like any other. Thus, as a righteous god, God must punish it. However, unlike Allah, God gives homosexuals the entire earthly life to come to Him. That’s the difference between the two religions, and it’s kind of hilarious that Christianity is bashed while Islam, which executes homosexuals, is supported by liberals.
However, while I haven’t seen anything like this in the Koran or other Muslim religious books, the Bible condemns the action, not the person. In Timothy, it says “those who practice homosexuality,” not “homosexuals.” It is consistent throughout the rest of the Bible. That’s because it’s not a sin to simply be a homosexual and feel those desires. Temptation is not a sin. Jesus was tempted. How a person responds to temptation might be a sin, however. Thus, it would be wrong for Christians to shun, bully, or do anything of the like to a homosexual. Are they commanded to help those in sin or temptation? Oh yes! But never does the New Testament command the execution of homosexuals by Man. Condemnation is God’s place, not Man’s. (The Old Testament has very different laws regarding homosexuality, but then Jesus came.)
Kind of a long answer to a simple question, but the question of homosexuality and Christianity isn’t as cut-and-dried as people think it is.
However, SOME people *cough cough* believe that if you disagree with the lifestyle, that automatically makes you hate the person. (Personally, that seems to be a bit “opinionaphobic” or possibly “Christianaphobic,” but maybe that’s just me. ) If that were true, why would Christians be trying to convince homosexuals not to practice homosexuality? If Christians truly hated homosexuals and wanted them to “burn forever,” wouldn’t it be easier to just let them do what they want to do?
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Deceitful-Fox In reply to MonocerosArts [2014-02-20 18:19:30 +0000 UTC]
Well, I'm not sure I agree with Christianity's view on the matter, but I do think that people are just people, and there's more to them than what they like to fuck (pardon my French).
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MonocerosArts In reply to Deceitful-Fox [2014-02-21 00:22:07 +0000 UTC]
Yes, people get so angry about everything. Getting angry just makes people dislike opinions even more, which is what is happening with homosexuality.
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i-stamp In reply to Deceitful-Fox [2014-02-16 16:20:26 +0000 UTC]
Being of a certain ethnic background doesn't define someone either, but cultures tend to group minorities by what makes them a minority. Having pride for that thing about them becomes important because of how much flack they get for it. You can say someone's sexuality doesn't define them, but that doesn't change that their sexuality alone gets gays ostracized beaten and killed every year.
In any case, I think green beans are disgusting, that doesn't mean I would be in the right to tell people to keep green beans out of sight, to try and restrict how and when people eat green beans, or who tell people who eat green beans that they shouldn't have the same rights everyone else enjoys.
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Deceitful-Fox In reply to i-stamp [2014-02-16 17:31:08 +0000 UTC]
Hey, I'm not saying gays shouldn't be gay or have the same rights as everyone else. I'm saying they shouldn't be proud of being gay. I'm not proud of being straight, it's just what I am; I had no choice in the matter and neither did anyone else. The LGBT 'community' can be intimidating and alienating for people on both 'sides'. Why do we need all these labels and organisations? Why can't we all just be people?
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i-stamp In reply to Deceitful-Fox [2014-02-16 19:01:03 +0000 UTC]
Gay pride isn't about being proud of being gay. It's about being proud of overcoming adversity. Coming together over something a variety of people have in common and celebrating that diversity being a good thing.
Nerd culture is very much the same thing. Nerds celebrate being a nerd, though some can be aggressively off putting. We encourage individualism, not trying to act the same, and that's not all-inclusive.
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hitaa In reply to Deceitful-Fox [2014-01-26 04:25:52 +0000 UTC]
HOLY SHIT YOU ARE THE BEST PERSON EVER PRAISE.
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WoodLily In reply to ??? [2013-12-07 19:30:34 +0000 UTC]
I couldn't agree more. I think people will look for any excuse. They ignore the hard parts of the Bible like treating people the way you wanna be treated.
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mruki In reply to ??? [2013-12-04 19:54:35 +0000 UTC]
I am a Christian and I have my own personal reasons outside of the Bible as to why I don't like homosexuality. I don't dislike someone because they are LGTBQ because that would be petty and it's none of my business who they have sex with.
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MonocerosArts In reply to mruki [2014-02-19 23:35:03 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. It's one thing for the government to allow something; it's another for the government to call "hate crime" on every person who speaks their mind.
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LolitheLeopard In reply to ??? [2013-11-05 19:59:43 +0000 UTC]
If you worship a God that commands women to marry their own rapists, then shut up about Gay Marriage!!!
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LolitheLeopard In reply to MonocerosArts [2014-02-21 03:17:32 +0000 UTC]
Deuteronomy 22: 28-29.
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MonocerosArts In reply to LolitheLeopard [2014-02-21 16:30:35 +0000 UTC]
Old Testament, old covenant. And then Jesus came.
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LolitheLeopard In reply to MonocerosArts [2014-02-22 00:57:15 +0000 UTC]
Leviticus 18:22 was in the Old testament and therefore invalid by that logic.
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MonocerosArts In reply to LolitheLeopard [2014-02-22 17:11:19 +0000 UTC]
No, Leviticus is in the Old Testament. It's the old covenant. Am I missing anything?
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ibdancen In reply to ??? [2013-11-02 18:23:34 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. My whole family is just like this. They say because they're Christian and hate gays they are just "following their religion." What? I'm Christian and I support gays. It's weird that they use their religion as an excuse when really they're just a bunch of homophobes.
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Mjcoakwell In reply to ibdancen [2014-01-06 22:07:39 +0000 UTC]
No where in the bible does it say anyone is to be hated
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ibdancen In reply to Mjcoakwell [2014-01-06 22:09:37 +0000 UTC]
I know! And they go talking trash about gays and everything.
They think they're following they're religion when really they're not at all. :U
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MonocerosArts In reply to ibdancen [2014-02-19 23:38:24 +0000 UTC]
I don’t know what your parents personally believe, though. This is just what the Bible says.
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MonocerosArts In reply to ibdancen [2014-02-19 23:37:17 +0000 UTC]
It's actully kind of complicated, but this is what Christians believe (I'm not referring to people who hate homosexuals simply for being homosexual):
God punishes sin, and to Christianity and Islam, homosexuality is a sin just like any other. Thus, as a righteous god, God must punish it. However, unlike Allah, God gives homosexuals the entire earthly life to come to Him. That’s the difference between the two religions, and it’s kind of hilarious that Christianity is bashed while Islam, which executes homosexuals, is supported by liberals.
However, while I haven’t seen anything like this in the Koran or other Muslim religious books, the Bible condemns the action, not the person. In Timothy, it says “those who practice homosexuality,” not “homosexuals.” It is consistent throughout the rest of the Bible. That’s because it’s not a sin to simply be a homosexual and feel those desires. Temptation is not a sin. Jesus was tempted. How a person responds to temptation might be a sin, however. Thus, it would be wrong for Christians to shun, bully, or do anything of the like to a homosexual. Are they commanded to help those in sin or temptation? Oh yes! But never does the New Testament command the execution of homosexuals by Man. Condemnation is God’s place, not Man’s. (The Old Testament has very different laws regarding homosexuality, but then Jesus came.)
Kind of a long answer to a simple question, but the question of homosexuality and Christianity isn’t as cut-and-dried as people think it is.
However, SOME people *cough cough* believe that if you disagree with the lifestyle, that automatically makes you hate the person. (Personally, that seems to be a bit “opinionaphobic” or possibly “Christianaphobic,” but maybe that’s just me. ) If that were true, why would Christians be trying to convince homosexuals not to practice homosexuality? If Christians truly hated homosexuals and wanted them to “burn forever,” wouldn’t it be easier to just let them do what they want to do?
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InChandyWeTrust In reply to ??? [2013-10-29 13:41:58 +0000 UTC]
I am Christian myself, and I don't give a damn about homosexuality.
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MrsRaganJ3T In reply to ??? [2013-09-02 13:24:48 +0000 UTC]
Well I just plain don't like the acts of gay people but I've been friends with them and they super nice to me so why hate them? I'm a Christian btw
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Tae-Rai In reply to MrsRaganJ3T [2013-09-02 13:33:03 +0000 UTC]
I'm a bit on the fence about that but you seem nice enough to still be friends with them so bravo
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MrsRaganJ3T In reply to Tae-Rai [2013-09-02 13:59:03 +0000 UTC]
Yeah I know some people respects my decision some hates me for it but whatever I grew up this way but I will never hate on Homosexual people or even condemned them.
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MonocerosArts In reply to MrsRaganJ3T [2014-02-19 23:40:53 +0000 UTC]
I agree with you, and it’s great that you stand up for your opinion even when others hate you for it! Bravo!
God punishes sin, and to Christianity and Islam, homosexuality is a sin just like any other. Thus, as a righteous god, God must punish it. However, unlike Allah, God gives homosexuals the entire earthly life to come to Him. That’s the difference between the two religions, and it’s kind of hilarious that Christianity is bashed while Islam, which executes homosexuals, is supported by liberals.
However, while I haven’t seen anything like this in the Koran or other Muslim religious books, the Bible condemns the action, not the person. In Timothy, it says “those who practice homosexuality,” not “homosexuals.” It is consistent throughout the rest of the Bible. That’s because it’s not a sin to simply be a homosexual and feel those desires. Temptation is not a sin. Jesus was tempted. How a person responds to temptation might be a sin, however. Thus, it would be wrong for Christians to shun, bully, or do anything of the like to a homosexual. Are they commanded to help those in sin or temptation? Oh yes! But never does the New Testament command the execution of homosexuals by Man. Condemnation is God’s place, not Man’s. (The Old Testament has very different laws regarding homosexuality, but then Jesus came.)
Kind of a long answer to a simple question, but the question of homosexuality and Christianity isn’t as cut-and-dried as people think it is.
However, SOME people *cough cough* believe that if you disagree with the lifestyle, that automatically makes you hate the person. (Personally, that seems to be a bit “opinionaphobic” or possibly “Christianaphobic,” but maybe that’s just me.) If that were true, why would Christians be trying to convince homosexuals not to practice homosexuality? If Christians truly hated homosexuals and wanted them to “burn forever,” wouldn’t it be easier to just let them do what they want to do?
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GuillermoGage In reply to ??? [2013-08-31 15:59:56 +0000 UTC]
Accursed More Like This feature made me click on something controversial sounding!
....now I'm confused? You are saying that you can use it as an excuse if you are a Christian?
Well, I've personally identified as a homophobe since age fifteen once the LGBQ propaganda train started steamrolling on me in public school. Minnesota can be really hardcore about it.
I just wear the label with pride just to defy George Weinberg; to express that very notion of politically-charged phrases like "homophobia" being coined and incessantly being tossed around in mainstream language, is precisely what makes me a homophobe. Maybe a bit of a hypocritical? one, since age 9
Oh, and, uh, if I were to die right now, I probably wouldn't make it to anywhere special. I just don't deserve it. I haven't done enough to determine any convincing answers from my own searching.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?…
If you know the connotations of what being a eunuch is, yeah, you'll understand why this passage is pretty interesting. I mean, it's especially notable in the context of the phenomenon of transgenderism. I don't even think they deserve to be lumped in with the LGB's and "Queer and Questioning" (The whole questioning part sounds recruiter-happy). Back in my day(2006), it was always G, and then L and B. Makes more sense, the word "gay" is more common and broad than "lesbian"
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Tae-Rai In reply to GuillermoGage [2013-09-01 07:43:05 +0000 UTC]
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say.
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GuillermoGage In reply to Tae-Rai [2013-09-03 21:05:54 +0000 UTC]
huh, uh...
...well, what are you saying? This stamp and the description give mixed messages. The whole point of dA stamps is to not do that.
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Tae-Rai In reply to GuillermoGage [2013-09-03 22:46:32 +0000 UTC]
The stamp displays the message and my description gives a more in-depth thought on it. It does not say two different things as you claim it does.
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GuillermoGage In reply to Tae-Rai [2013-09-04 14:43:25 +0000 UTC]
Buh..but.. the implication of just seeing the stamp! Many people would just skip the stamp entirely if they were to see it in a thumbnail, where they would not see the description! Many or most folks would interpret the stamp very differently without the description!
Well, uh, my message to you basically stated that I do have non-"bible/Christian" reasons to dislike the LGBQ subculture.
So, uh, this means that I wonder why you have the position you have, that you expressed in the stamp. Where does it come from?
Also, it sounds like you are criticizing a made-up position when you say "You cannot use the bible as an excuse for being a homophobe if you're not actually a Christian. If you're not, why do you care what the bible says?"
Since when do non-Christians use the Bible as an excuse for being a homophobe?
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Tae-Rai In reply to GuillermoGage [2013-09-04 22:36:28 +0000 UTC]
Not necessarily. Some may skip over the stamp, yes, but most people who are going to use the stamp would come and read the description as well. And my description is just a more in-depth description of the stamp.
That mumble-jumble? Sorry, but if you're a homophobe I refuse to talk to you.
It comes from personal experience.
Made-up? Lol, you make me laugh. Personal experience.
Amazingly, some do.
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GuillermoGage In reply to Tae-Rai [2013-09-05 19:24:38 +0000 UTC]
What a fancy job of explaining that personal experience.
You refuse to talk to someone who thinks different from you? I'm even being civil and everything. I'm not even going about saying to you, "No, you are wrong, such and such should or should not happen to LGBQs."
The adolescence is strong with this one.
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Tae-Rai In reply to GuillermoGage [2013-09-05 22:44:35 +0000 UTC]
There is no excuse for homophobia. Your views offend me and my partner.
I'm not even going to respond to that remark. Good day.
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GuillermoGage In reply to Tae-Rai [2013-09-08 15:48:15 +0000 UTC]
"I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say."
Then you don't know what my views are. You just know that I refuse to accept mainstream widespread use of phrases like "homophobia". You don't know what I actually think about gay and lesbian people deep down.
And to think that all of this started because I clicked on your Nintendo 2DS stamp, and then saw other stuff on the side. If Nintendo didn't make that 2DS, or went without stereoscopy from the start, then we may not have ever met. Fascinating!
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Tae-Rai In reply to GuillermoGage [2013-09-08 22:36:31 +0000 UTC]
I eventually got the true meaning of it.
I guess I got a little more upset then I should have. I apologise.
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GuillermoGage In reply to Tae-Rai [2013-09-09 03:28:07 +0000 UTC]
HAHAHAHAHA! This means I WIN! One of THEIR representatives admits defeat! That Gay People are Wrong and I am Ri--
....actually I'm just surprised that a vaguely negative comment volley got resolved so cleanly on behalf of the other person.
I had a feeling that it would be best to avoid making a crack about how you slipped in "Your views offend me and my partner", which genuinely does rub me the wrong way, perhaps it just especially sounds whiny with including some random other person who isn't speaking for themselves. Indeed, I figure, no point in me including something like that because... uh, no use picking on you/an emotion/personal-based comment instead of uh, "the argument". A few years ago I may have failed to resist attacking the personhood of someone in a similar online comment volley.
If I would've known I would've stood a chance at the type of response I just got, I would've slipped in "as opposed to something like 'gay-bashing' or 'anti-gay'" to garnish my arguing technique(arguing technique to pacify the person and get them to realize that we aren't even in a debate, I guess that's what that technique would've amounted to).
But I guess I didn't have to, you figured it out yourself.
uhh... what was I gonna say now...? um... based on my smaller text from my first message, that would mean that THEY are also right anyway...
yeah you still didn't explain other stuff... uh... like, why would someone be like the situation you described in your stamp. It is because they have some weird respect for something they don't even believe in, (some Voltaire thing, or S.E. Cupp thing, yeah, look her up yourself) or figure it is easier to use that as their not-so-official answer when they don't want to try to describe and justify it, according to how they really feel?
dadona777.deviantart.com/art/C…
That's in my recent faves. I prolly would've faved it earlier. I respect well-researched, well-arranged arguments. Go ahead and try to figure out my views on stuff from there. (Remember that if I didn't want to show appreciation and was just curious about the arguments the person was making, I could've merely bookmarked--- yeah you'll come up with something)
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Bloody-Goodbyes In reply to ??? [2013-08-26 23:16:13 +0000 UTC]
Good message. Wish more people thought this way.
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DeviousLaughter677 In reply to ??? [2013-08-20 15:38:01 +0000 UTC]
I put this on my profile
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to ??? [2013-08-20 07:35:03 +0000 UTC]
Sadly, biblical authority is usually enough even for casual christians- something like ninety percent of them don't even read the bible.
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