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Published: 2012-09-26 23:39:10 +0000 UTC; Views: 179129; Favourites: 989; Downloads: 0
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Notes:So, to start things off with this interpretation of the chart, most of the description is no longer on the deviation itself. The unfortunate truth is that this page became way, way too long because the DB franchise never stops adding transformations. There will inevitably be more Saiyan transformations on the horizon, too. They drive merchandise sales.
Anyway, you can now find all the information in this Google Doc: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d…
As always, there's no need to ask about whether I will be including a form or why I haven't added any potential new transformations to the chart. This document will likely be kept up to date with at least acknowledging new forms as they're revealed. However, I will still be waiting for them to fully debut in the their respective media (anime, manga, games, whatever) before deciding what I'm doing with them in regards to the project.
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The series of submissions labeled under the title of DB Redux are part of a fan rewrite of the official series. Anything that you see in the art or description that varies from the original manga or anime sources is most likely intentional. While I appreciate that you are taking the time to look at my gallery and notice these differences, I do not require a comment on what needs "correcting" because it wasn't "originally like that".
However, if you'd like to discuss these changes, or the project in general, you're welcome to join my DB Redux Discord server for the community members, an early look at finished & WIP character art and links to full battle power lists.
Thank you, and please enjoy!
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I like your submissions especially the Legendary Saiyan God being stronger then Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, I was wondering why is it 12000 times the base? Where did the 12000 come from?
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It's arbitrary. I worked out rough numbers for my project up through the Evil Dragons Arc in GT so I would know where i wanted to place the new god tier characters. Then I simply took what Goku's base power was from the era where DBSuper material would be taking place and determined what the multiplier ended up being.
Quite possible it could change to be even higher later depending on how strong Super shows Goku and Vegeta to get. I'd have to buff the GT characters and start from scratch.
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Ya it looks like DBSuper is going to add a lot of louer.
where do you think Mystic form would fit (Mystic Gohan) I always thought it was at lest 3x stronger then Super Saiyan 3.
PS think I'm new to the sit and its cool to get artist feed back
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So is the Mystic form like Hitōzaru or like Super Saiyan God a mix of Super Saiyan and Mystic Power/Ki (from Elder Kaioshin) instead of Divine Ki like in Super Saiyan God
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Wait, where are you seeing 12,000 times base?
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Legendary Saiyan God is 1,200 times god base, I put an extra zero in by mistake
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-*-*Disclaimer*-*-
The series of submissions labeled under the title of Dragon Ball Redux are part of fan rewrite of the official series. Anything that you see in the art or description that varies from the original manga or anime sources is most likely intentional. While I appreciate that you are taking the time to look at my gallery and notice these differences, I do not require a comment on what needs correcting because it wasn't "originally like that". Thank you, and please enjoy!
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Man, I love this chart. A little different than how I would do it, but still it does make some sense of things.
I'm trying to figure out how I would do Super Saiyan God. I'm thinking of making what they depicted as SSJ God in the Battle of Gods Saga as just being more like a Mystic form with red aura, and the same for Saiyan Beyond God. Super Saiyan God would be SSJ1 with red hair, SSJ2 would use the SSJB hair, and I'm thinking green for SSJ3. Somehow Super Saiyan Green has a nice ring to it, and I'm not even doing that because of how Broly's SSJ forms were.
Since his restrained form also had blue hair, that would probably be the only case where SSJ1 would have blue hair, but no God power. I might retcon it to purple since it looks purple in certain lighting conditions. It just bugs me how Restrained Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue use identical colors; it gives off the illusion that Broly has some hidden SSJ God power of sorts; or rather, the opposite of SSJ God- SSJ Devil. I mean, Broly has stated himself to be a devil so it wouldn't surprise me. I know you're not quite keen on him.
SSJ God does kind of complicate things with Hitozaru/SSJ4. Like, they're both powerful forms beyond regular Super Saiyan, only SSJ4 is on a detectable scale. Personally, though it's not a linear SSJ form, I do think the other grades could possibly apply to it, however the grades are pretty useless, what with the extra bulk causing significant slowdown.
Eh, this is gonna take a lot of thought for me to do my own version. I haven't even thought about the power multipliers yet.
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sorry The-Devils-Corpse, but ...
+ just saiyan and hitoyaru have tail ^^
+ flip horizontal Goku toward arrow ^^
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there's no 2 & 3 grade for ssj4 ?
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It's not really a Super Saiyan form, so no.
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Wait, why "USSJ1" and "USSJ2" look the same? Isn't "USSJ2" supposed to be the most bulky?
Oh they look the same, but the muscle mass IS the same
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The muscles differences are subdued because of the nature of the piece, but they are definitely still represented if you actually compare the two.
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Huh, I see you've changed the God multipliers from 250 and 12,500 to 500 and 25,000. Why the change?
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Resurrection "F"; trying to work out who should and shouldn't be on par with Freeza's different forms, as well as each other.
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Okay then. I do want to ask how much slower the Grade 3 Super Saiyan forms are compared to the Grade 2 forms.
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Varies depending on the Saiyan's body type. On average though, Grade II is a little faster than the original, but Grade III is slower than the original. To quantify it somehow, I guess this works:
Grade II - 1.25
Grade I - 1
Grade III - 0.85
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So it's not equal to the power difference between Grade 1 and 2?
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The graded states aren't "'traditional" transformations, and speed isn't the focus. Thus they don't balance in quite the same way as other forms.
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So what else isn't balanced?
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Nothing about them is really balanced. Physical power is the priority, followed by ki and stamina, then speed.
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So how is ki balanced between the Grades?
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You already have that info. The multipliers are for battle powers, which only measure ki.
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Oh...is it the same for physical strength, or is that balanced differently like speed is?
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It's different, but I don't really have anything to say on it other than that it's an obvious progression due to muscle mass, but since the latter one can't hit anything, there's not much reason to bother.
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So no scale then.
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How much stronger is a Super Saiyan God than a Saiyan God in your story? x50 like Base and Super Saiyan forms? I think that x50 is too much because Goku or Vegeta (in this form) would be a lot more powerful than Beerus (or even Whis)? Have you thought about this problem?
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Due to the nature of my project combining so many aspects of the franchise into a single, cohesive story, it does not adhere to the current, official depiction of the god forms and the events surrounding them. Beerus, Whis and Legendary Saiyan God Goku/Vegeta are have been buffed to an absurd level in my project in order to deal with my plans for GT, Online/Xenoverse, etc. The amount of power retained in the Saiyan God state is miniscule, and only puts Goku and Vegeta into the same realm as SS3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan, with the Super Saiyan God transformation increasing it x50, same as SS.
At least for now...plans may change with Super's version of Resurrection "F" or Universe 6.
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Ok, well explained! but I have another question to ask you! What is the multiplier for SS Grade 2 & 3, SS2 Grade 2 & 3 and SS3 Grade 2 & 3? When Vegeta hit Beerus, he was a SS2 Grade 3, wasn´t he?
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You know, I get this alot. I just went ahead and added it to the description.
It was just a rage boost. Vegeta wouldn't have been able to hit Beerus at all if he had used a graded form; too bulky and slow. Though the project will see him using SS2, then snap when she's hit and decide not to worry about conserving energy, thus breaking out SS3 as an all or nothing gamble.
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Hey! Awesome work! Your a real artist Any way I have some questions: Is super saiyan god stronger than legendary saiyan god, and if so, does that mean that the longer the arrow, the harder it is to achieve the transformation? And my second question is: I am very confused about legendary saiyan god, saiyan god, and super saiyan god. For example, when you do the god ritual, do you become a saiyan god or legendary saiyan god? And when the timer runs out, does the user revert back to base form or saiyan god? Sorry for all the questions, but this is so interesting and awesome!
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Arrow length has no meaning. I'm just trying to make it easy to read and understand without being too cluttered or wasting too much space.
In the project (which is subject to change depending on future franchise material), a Saiyan that undergoes the god ritual will gain divine ki. This will make them a "Saiyan God", because they are a Saiyan who has become a god, but not the Saiyan God form listed on this chart (more on that in a minute). Divine ki has some minor advantages over the regular version, but having divine ki doesn't not make a being stronger. (Someone with a power of 100 and a god with the power of 100 are naturally equal.) But, in the case of the Saiyans who have it, the Legendary Saiyan God transformation becomes available to those with the Super Saiyan mutation gene. It grants them absurd power, but they can only handle that level for a brief period of time. Once it runs out, they drop back to their Base form. Goku (and eventually Vegeta) are exceptions to the rule...
For the project, you can't just become a god for no reason. Performing the ritual (changed from BOG) on someone that has no place in the pantheon is against the rules, but they look the other way because you don't want to piss off Beerus. At the end of the battle though, the ritual is undone. Goku (and, again, eventually Vegeta) have become such a gifted fighter though that his Saiyan body attempts to adapt to the Legendary Saiyan God power while using it. So even when the ritual is reversed, his body somehow manages to keep ties to that power. Not all of it, as the channels the divine ki flows through were officially closed, but enough that he can tap into a relatively small portion of it (and without a time limit). This is the state that functions as Saiyan God on the chart.
The regular Super Saiyan state isn't naturally compatible with divine ki (the multiplier won't work in tandem with it), but after a bit of training, the Saiyan can eventually become a Super Saiyan while also channeling the divine ki they've retained. When properly used in tandem and the Super Saiyan state becomes capable of multiplying the divine ki, that's when the go blue and become a Super Saiyan God. Even with this boost though, they are still much, MUCH weaker than their Legendary Saiyan God forms.
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How do you view divine ki? Since only gods can sense it, could it be a completely different type of ki that's just better overall? Hopefully Super will clear up the topic, but what are your thoughts on it right now?
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love this easy to understand and over add with 'WHAT if' forms
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And wher is that god ki empowered mssj that fought againts Beerus in Bog? I know it's hard to follow but i'm just curious :v
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I'm not including it in the project. Super Saiyan God is just going to last longer.
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I know this is just silly nitpicking but aren't Legendary saiyan God's less buff than their base forms?
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If you take a close look at full size, they are less buff.
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Oh I see now XD
Sorry 'bout that :U
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I do personally like Broly's Legendary Super Saiyan forms, but they don't really apply to the rest of the Saiyan Race as a whole. He's a mutant of sorts and the Legendary forms only apply to him and possibly the original Legendary Super Saiyan. where as every other form {SSJ1-4 Plus SSJG and SSJGSS} could plausibly be obtained by every other member of the Saiyan race. Aside from that nice work here, you did well
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you know false super saiyan mode seams more like a berserk mode
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This is just to show how ridiculous being a Saiyan is
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So your SSGod (blue hair) is weaker than SSGod (red hair from BoG)? your Beerus is stronger in your story than Beerus (BoG), isn´t it? Weekly Shōnen Jump says that: `When Goku is in the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan form he is implied to be at least stronger than Beerus (at 70% power)´, is that true in your story? could you explain that?
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It's pretty simple, I'm just not following any of that. The transformations pretty much work the same way they do in the film (base Saiyan becomes SSG, basically absorbs SSG and can then transform into SSGSS), but I'm not really following the rest of the details because of the inclusion of the new Z movies, GT and DBO into the same project. I need/want to buffer myself to future content and not have to ABSURDLY bloat character strengths. If Goku truly absorbed all SSG's power in my project, then became even stronger with SSGSS...then I'd have to make SS4 even more powerful and the villains would be even stronger and then there's the fusions...blah. And if Toriyama decides to have Goku give up his god powers or something to tie back into the end of the manga and make sense out of Uub being a challenge, then I'd have to go back and rework everything. This way, I'm just doing things the way I want them to work and I don't really have to worry about what the official series does next.
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