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Published: 2017-06-30 18:36:25 +0000 UTC; Views: 4506; Favourites: 60; Downloads: 2
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In all honesty, I do not think that women going topless to promote gender equality is going to solve matters. I understand that women are held to stricter standards on sexuality than men, and that in some ways, a woman owning her body is disgraceful to some. But how is bearin your breast going to help with not being objectified? Or how is it going to help promote gender equality? I mean, there are more important issues that feminism needs to deal with, such as equal pay, conditions for women in third world countries, and that's not going to be solved by the #freethenipple campaign. I mean, they intend well, but in reality, it is going to encourage more objectification of women. This is not an effective way to go about solving the problem, and this is why I am against #freethenipple .
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Idk, I'm still more lenient on public nudity. I've actually done it (well..been half naked) and seen it myself because my BF is a bit on the naturist side of things. I do know however it is a bit weird in some circumstances. Like if you show up to work or to a formal event naked you're crazy. But parks and beaches on hot days where everyone in that space consents to seeing that, ok, whatever you know. However, I know some people are less comfortable than others, so I would never say you or anyone else HAD to enjoy the concept/it.
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Yeah, I mean, people should be able to go out naked, but personally I wouldn't. (My grandma lived near a nudist colony, and when I was little, I saw a lot of nude people, who are the LAST ones you want to see naked -__-)
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Agreed.
the old notion of modesty Is still the best approach for women... and men.
Yes women and men are different. that's reality. Women shouldn't be Ashamed of thier bodies but
Instead realize that thier bodies are precious and ONLY for PRIVATE display to people they are intimate with or to health profressionals.
Other people on the street shouldn't have access.
making all of a woman's body a COMMON thing doesn't enhance the status or safety woman's bodies.
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I don't think modesty should be forced on people, that's my honest opinion. It's not the best or the worst way to solve the problem. What I am saying is that people need to show some decency and actually focus on problems that are happening, not trivial problem like women owning their body. Pretty much my opinion, is that modesty is kind of an outdated concept, yet at the same time, it can solve problems when used the right way. Slut shaming is stupid and so is kinkshaming, but I don't support religious entities telling people what to do with their bodies, as religion should have no place in that matter (I.e. Islam and their modesty codes, Pat Buncanan and his slut shaming remarks, etc.)
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Well seem to me that "outdated" and "current fashion" have little to do with "best practices".
And people in the most of the world wear clothes. people don't FORCE them too. It's a pretty universal human practice. the norms come from culture. as a general rule MOSt cultures assume various types of dress express different concepts. Some more Sexual than others. Those that want to "FORCE" others to assume that dressing in clothing traditionally associated with prostitution and "Sluttly" behavior should be perceived as the SAME as a woman in business or modest casual clothes is trying to CHANGE the culture as much as any religious group.
And I'm not sure why any group should have standing over another in setting the HOW people should or shouldn't react. But Being UNKIND is NEver a good option. However a woman walking down a street with a G-sting and see through blouse whose expecting all men NOT to react sexually is a fool.
ENCOURAGING and PROMOTING .. not forcing... Modesty is what i'm talking about. Rather than Celebrating, Encouraging and NORMALIZING Twerking and generally sexualized clothing and behavior for girls ages 5 to 99.
one doesn't have to go to the MUSLIM level to see that more modest and LESS sexualized clothing (or lack thereof) and behavior could HELP.
Is it a FULL solution? No. But it is an Asset. While the opposite is a liability.
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Most humans wear clothes yes, but we've progressively taking to wearing more clothes honestly as certain societal pressures kicked in. There was a long time in tribal human civilisations where women simply wearing a skirt to hide their vag from plain view was normal, because material was probably scarce and they wanted to cover up just the very delicate areas of people, now that's considered half naked to most people. That went on for many many years. There were still civilisations in parts of Asia and Africa that had women going topless when civilisations were already up and running in the West and settlers were often to discover women didn't cover themselves up in that regard (and embarrassment ensued). For that reason, I'm not sure that "we wear clothes because we aren't overtly sexual and civilised" is the best argument against across the board toplessness w/no public restrictions, because your points about how cultural norms inform clothing choices just points out that some of the standards are kind of arbitrary and that one person's sexual is another person's making the best of what they have with their circumstances.
I agree people are fools to believe that men or women in some instances for that matter are just not going to react to women in sexual clothing/posing sexually titillating, or that certain bold manners of dress and actions won't catch the attention of others. However, I believe it's still a person's choice to dress how they like. They should accept that what they wear may have certain affects on people, especially if it's revealing clothing in a social setting where that's not always expected, but if they want to do it, it's their life. Of course I don't agree with child sexualisation at all or anything like that, but grown up women who are old enough for it, yes I support them wearing what they like.
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CLoting as been a staple of most civilizations all over the world. Even most native peoples wore clothing. I'm not a evolution believer but even Neanderthals wore clothes.
But I agree a woman (or man) has a right to wear what they like often. But i don't "SUPPORT" people crossing and pushing general cultural norms by wearing what's generally considered sexually enticing clothing in public. And people also have a right to SAY they think that some clothing is inappropriate. In your scenerio the woman is INTENTIALLY wearing clothes out of step with the norm and sexually provocative.
they have the right in many cases, to wear what they like. but they don't have the right of other's approval... or "support". That's my point about encouraging and discouraging certain things.
Celebrating some things and NOT celebrating others.
People have right to carry guns. that doesn't mean we encourage or SUPPORT everyone that walks the street with a gun. Especially those that are irresponsible. It seems to me self-evident that Sexually has an inherent power as well. and it's not something that any culture should treat casually.
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Yeah, went to a rally like this...oddly enough, most of the people were GUYS! (canned laughter)
...No, that never happened, but it's my first thing to say when I see this.
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Yeah, I mean, you don't need to be flashing your junk in front of other people....geez...
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Titty opression... I see your concern, however the breasts are secondary sex characteristics. With this same logic, the adam's apple should be covered up as well.
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Well, what I am actually saying is that going topless is not gonna solve the problems that need to be solved. It is like SJWs taking the year without shaving challange, all it does is not help the women who actually need help, and gives us a gross sight to look at and put up with....
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I see what you are saying. I apologize for taking your word out of context.
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My thoughts on "objectification": when men stop thinking sexual thoughts about women, the species shall soon cease to exist.
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Yeah, sex drives reproduction, but humans can experience pleasure from it
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As male I'm going to sum this right up with the following words, "The vast majority of men do not support this. For the simple reason our biological sense of beauty realizes that the vast majority of 'topless women' are not as attractive as they think they are. At the most we will think you're a slut/attention whore for doing something like this. FYI - It used to be illegal for men to go topless in the US. Just look at those old photos of a man's swimming suit. If its anyone who got sexualized its men and the 'requirements' of having six pack abs and pecs that can be moved at will when male topless became acceptable."
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Yeah, we look back at those laws and just laugh, but these women think that objectifiying themselves is going to solve the problem, yet it won't. Plus, it's kind of giving men a free show.
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The only thing I support FTN is for women's health issues (breast/ovarian cancers)
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Free the nipple is going to make you more sexually objectified IMO. You just look like a boneheaded slut.
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Yeah, that's why I don't support it. Plus it's an inefficent way to solve the problem.
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It's just giving men a free show, as somebody said in the comments. I don't know if it's true, but I heard somewhere that it was actually a man who started the topless movement. He picked the girls he would most like to see topless, then convinced them to "liberate" themselves. Ironic, huh? I'm not sure if it's true, but I want it to be true.
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I support free the nipple but I am not putting it above more serious feminism issues. It is just a thing I would like to happen someday. I know it won't stop people from seeing boobs as sexual objects, and that is fine. It would just be nice to have the freedom to do this.
But I am more concerned about people being kidnapped in Thailand and being forced to catch fish until they die from their beatings. This fish is used in first world countries livestock feed! Catfood, poultry feed, pig glop, and a lot of people are supporting slavery without even knowing it!
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Yeah, I don't support it because I don't see how it'll solve the problem. I think that you should have a right to go topless, but common decency would say otherwise. Plus, feminists these days are more concerned about women being objectified in videogames and de-balling all white straight men, instead of focusing the real issues. Not only that, they totally disregard women who face oppression in 3rd world countries.
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It contridicts the whole "I am more than my body thing" and about men being able to do it, doesn't mean I want to see all of it. There are men who are shirtless that have bigger boobs than me and I would scream put a shirt on.
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Yeah, because no body likes man-boobs to be honest. In fact, those should be censored if female breasts are censored. At least it would spare our eyes some pain.
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XD
That it would.
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Well... why not? Why isn't it a valid point that there's no logical reason to censor women's nipples but not men's?
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True, but I am just saying that this isn't the way to go about solving the problem. It'll just cause them to be objectified more in my opinion.
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But the point, as far as I can tell, is to de-dramatize and de-sexualize the nipple. If it becomes normal, it loses its allure- it's the "forbidden" aspect that charges fetishization in this case.
(For the record, I am not really a feminist myself, although I do share a lot of their positions and ideals.)
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I support the overall idea, but not the execution. I don't really think ANYONE should walk around topless, regardless of gender identity. Be civil and put on a shirt when you're in public, for god's sake.
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Yeah, I mean, it's just proper to at least be clothed!
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Its literally doing nothing absolute fuck all will be achieved you are just giving men a free show. You sexualize yourself in public for a hashtag come on what are you all teaching the next generation of girls? Even better what do you think you are teaching to little boys? I mean hell I've seen these free nipple feminist protesters they are basically fucking in public in front of kids. What will those boys be like as men learning from these hashtag idiots?
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That's exactly what I am saying. This is not gonna solve the problem, but it'll only make the problem worse. I mean, how are you going to teach girls how to solve their problems? Like this? How will you teach them that it's not looks that matter, but also brains, personality, as well as talents? This is teaching them the direct opposite and is setting a bad precedent.
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No kidding and what will a boy taught to expect this kind of behavior be like as a man? He won't really be a man he will be conditioned to expect sex for just about anything that is a crash course for disaster. Hell the patriarchy isn't making men sexist fiends the feminists are doing that!
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Yeah, I mean, they're causing more objectification by doing this.
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no kidding they fight fire with gasoline
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