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Sorry for the huge file
By the way, something I forgot to mention in the tutorial. A lot of people say "why don't you just put the figures in on top of the background?" I guess this is a valid way to do it, but for me, I find that the figures end up looking like they're floating in the environment. If you're going for an animation-cel look, fine, but if you're painting both in the same style I think it's worth the extra time to paint it all on the same layer. That way they're sewn into the scene, not patched on top.
Thanks for all the support guys
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awesome tutorial! How much time do you spend on a painting like this?
I really like how the scenes you create have this sort of the very last bit of twilight feel. Good stuff ^^
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I spent about 8 hours on it
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cool! that's like a day's work.. I have to try my best to keep a quick pace when I'm painting -_-
If i dont i end up painting to uptight and then it takes to long and I become way more perfectionistic then my skills can handle.
Do you think speed might come with a steadier workflow?
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For me it did. When I work every day I just get used to the motions so I can crank stuff out pretty quickly. But when I'm feeling inspired it's a lot faster 
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This was extremely helpful. This definitely makes me want to crawl out of my oekaki hole and crack open Painter.
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oi, Thundercake, I think you are a wizard.
a magical wish-granting wizard- 'cuz this is just unnaturally wonderful, and ultra helpful c:
I'll try to remember this next time I paint, for sure
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I'm glad you found it helpful!
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Amazingly helpful! You've given me a different perspective on painting. C:
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Really? o.o; Well...cool!
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You don't smudge and you use one layer?!
I loved your art before but now I just flat out respect and admire your skill.
Thank you for the tutorial. Sadly, I'm one of those people who think of it as a 'background.' I shall try to improve though!
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I used to, but since I stopped I find it's a lot easier to just use the brush. When you're switching tools and layers it takes more time and thought.
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8 hours, thereabouts. I take breaks though, so probably less.
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Fantastic tutorial, well done and thanks!
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Oh wow, thank you for this! This is going to be very useful
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You have a wonderful painting style.
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I don't have PS, I work with OC. So do you know how to blend in OC, possibly?
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The same way, basically, though they do have more tools for it like "add water" etc. I'm not very good with OC.
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Lol! I don't even know how to blend in OC PERIOD. Do you know of any tutorials? If not, I can always look some up, now that I know it's possible.
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There might be some on dA somewhere, but I dunno, I gave up on that program after the fiftieth no-save crash.
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D: That's so sad! I wonder why it kept crashing on you.
Lol, I use OC since I can't afford PS. xD SOMEDAY...
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Thanks for going into so much detail. I'm glad you go over so much.
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Fantastic tutorial. What is a usual canvas and dpi size for you?
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Usually around 11x17, 300 dpi
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That's brilliant, and a very good point. Thank you so much.
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For photoshop and the dull colors:
The pictures you see on the web doesnt have any kind of color management on them, that is problably your problem. You can either turn off all color management in photoshop or use sRGB as your main color space. Either work fine to me.
Or, after you have finished the image, go to edit>convert to color space and pick sRGB.
This is usually my problem; hope it can help ya.
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You can't turn off color managing in PSCS3, and I've been setting it to the srgb profile but the settings, they do nothing!
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What I do, in the color management settings window, under color management policies, there are 3 options, one for each color depth (RGB, CMYK, Gray). That's where I turn everything off.
Anyway, this was a great tutorial - thanks for that!
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How are you saving your images in Photoshop? Save for Web always screws up colours, but Save As > JPG (with the option to embed the colour profile checked, working in sRGB) doesn't. We both use CS3 Mac, I think. My images saved that way look fine in Camino (fork of Mozilla for Mac only) and I don't even think it supports colour profiles. Firefox does, but I think it's a hidden setting you need to turn on because it affects performance by about, oh, 2% and people moan.
These tutorials are incredibly helpful. I've been watching you for years, and I can't believe how much your work has changed. It's like a different person altogether.
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Save for Web actually handles colours quite well.
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I find that Save for Web causes colours to look fine when viewed in anything but a browser. In a browser, they become washed out. Saving with an embedded colour profile works for me. This is on a Mac, I have no idea what they look like on Windows and I don't really care
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Ah yeah it didn't work 
If it's not too much trouble, would you do me a huge favor and screencap your color settings? If it's working for you, it might be a problem with mine.
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I think these are just the default for NA General Purpose:
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Thanks so much, I'll compare mine
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It's the same regardless of save for web or save as, but I don't remember if I clicked "embed colour profile".. I should have, but let me try it and see what happens. (I don't have this problem with Painter, just PS.)
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Yeah, Painter is a lot better when it's not crashing all over the place. You can always import the psd to Painter and save it from there. Maybe they just want you to buy Photoshop CS4
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lol it takes me like a full minute to drag the brush across the canvas in painter..
When I import the PSD, it does the same thing with the colors. It's definitely something wrong with the way I'm seeing colors in PS.
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oooh! Now I see! thanks thanks! though In my class we refer it more as a "scene" than "environment". xD maybe it's just the way my lecturer speak.
very useful tutorial indeed! thanks!
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Stunning! I found it very informative and helpful. I will be sure to use all your tips and tricks in my future paintings. Well done!
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omg thats awesome, im so going to use that...one day *sneaks away*
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Thank you *thundercake ! This looks very helpful, I can't wait to try out some of your tips.
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Awesome tutorial. Very easy to understand and I love how you EXPLAIN why you do things. Very awesome. Thank you so much.
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