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Published: 2018-03-18 13:14:36 +0000 UTC; Views: 15073; Favourites: 132; Downloads: 138
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So, after the Thrity Years War, both Prussia and Saxony strived to become great powers with in the Holy Roman Empire to rival Austria. For a time, both states seemed equal in their struggle, but then Friedrich August I. ascended to the Saxon throne. He lavishly wasted the Saxon treasury on architectural projects and lavish feasts. In order to be able to finance this, Friedrich August I. decreased Saxony's military strenght, wich left Prussia the superior in the struggle for dominance, slowly eclipsing Saxony.The POD for this TL is this: Friedrich August I. spends less time on family feasts during his childhood, thereby lessening the imprint these left on his development. Friedrich August I. is therefor less cocnerned with spending ridiculuous sums of his rich state's economy on lavish building projects and feasts and he instead expands Saxony's military (while also, as in OTl, pursuing the Polish Crown), which leaves Saxony as the dominant power in German politics going forward. In the following deacdes Saxony slowly conquers more territory, starting with Silesia from Austria and ending with the Rhineland, Westphalia and the Lands of the Bohemian Crown after uniting the German Empire during the Spring of Nations of 1848. The Saxon King Friedrich August II. thereby becomes Emperor of the Germans after the War of German Unification against Austria and France.
Another effect of this POD is also, that Poland never becomes a target for German agression, since the Kings of Saxony, who dictate German politics after Friedrich August's I. reign, enjoy a friendly relationship with Poland, still this day ruled by monarchs of the House of Wettin. Since Prussia in this TL never expanded beyond incorporating Pommerania, Prussia still has the size it had after the fall of the Teutonic Order.
In this TL Saxony rules over Schleswig-Holstein, the Principality of Anhalt, the Lands of the Bohemian Crown, Nurnberg, Westphalia, Jülich-Cleves-Berg, Hessen-Nassau, Frankfurt, the whole lands of the Thurinigian duchies and some other, small territories. Capital of the German Empire in this TL is Dresden.
Credits: Elements taken from wikimedia commons.
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Comments: 36
Gott segne Sachsenland! Gott segne Deutschland!
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about the continous mentioning of the dialect (great work by the way):
saxon dialect would be the norm in this scenario and prussian (perhaps low german dialects) would be the ones made fun of.
the differences between saxony and prussia are basically the reason for the current reputation of upper saxon dialect nowadays
(and what happend after prussia, like the ban of saxon dialect by the nazis or the reputation Ulbricht gave it...)
just mentioning ^^
concerning the story: i think the napoleonic wars would have happend in a different manner with saxony being the political power in germany. even the great nordic war would have happend different (annexion of the baltics 
keep up the good work!
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Ja, da hast du wohl recht. Selbiges wäre wahrscheinlich der Fall gewesen wenn sich die Bayern durchgesetzt hätten. Wenns die Hannoveraner gewesen wären wäre wohl aber (zumidnest sprachlich) alles beim Alten geblieben
Und ja, was die napoleonischen Kriege angeht hast du recht. Dass ich daran kaum was geändert habe ist lediglich der Tatsache geschuldet, dass die Folgen eines solch drastischen Alternativ-Pfades recht schwer abzuschätzen sind. Ich hab mich daher einfach dazu entschieden die Rollen Preußens und Sachsens in den Koalitionskriegen zu tauschen (sprich: Preußen schließt sich Frankreich an, wechselt dann aber kurz vor Ende die Seiten, während Sachsen von Anfang an der große deutsche Kontrahent ist, wie es Preußen in unserer Realität war. Ist faul, aber hey, manchmal muss auch das sein
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I would have preferred the Saxons over the Prussians.
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The idea of an Emperor with Saxon dialect is just hillarious to me
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Yes but would have made for a more peaceful Europe with a laid back Saxon Germany lol
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Yeah, the monarchs of Saxony in the late 19th and early 20th century seem to have been a bit more chill then those of Prussia, but I can't help to wonder if that was a result of their respective countrie's position with in the balance of power. i can imagine the Saxon monarchy being a bit more agressive had they been in Prussia's position in Germany and Europe.
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yes true an of the German state to have emerged on top would have been very aggressive through the struggle with its neighbors
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THEY'RE CALLED "QUARTERS" FOR A REASON YOU QUARTERING MANIAC!
(ahem - Please excuse me while one grapples with my distress at beholding more than four quarters on a shield; 'tis pure personal prejudice, I know).
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I love those compelx designs
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Well I do feel sorry for you, but my pity does not quiet my outraged sensibilities!
( ).
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Dazu hab ich sogar mal ne Karte gemacht XD Sehr geil!
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Bei dir gehört den Sachsen ja gleich ganz Preußen
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Keine halben Sachen, oder besser: Keene holbn Sochn!
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This Idea is Really Interesting. How would Bohemia be integrated into Germany? because in 1848 the nobility was very against such an idea.
by the way, you misspelled isn't
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Well, Saxony had a long invested interest in Bohemia by means of Lusatia, and since the Prussians drove their expansion westwards into the lands of their longstanding rival, Poland, I though it fitting the Saxons would do the same, just in a different direction. And when a Saxon King would be crowned Emperor of Germans with the Crown of the Holy Roman Empire, at that point kept in Vienna by the Asutrian Emperors, war would basicaly be inevetable. So a Greater German solution to the question of German Unification is automaticaly on the table, and well, when the Saxons then beat the Austrians into the dirt, it seemed logicaly to me that they would reach for the Bohemian Crown and it's lands.
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That makes a lot of sense thanks. will you be making a map?
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I'm on that, yes, though I am still a bit unsure of how Poland would look like in this TL. They would have more support from the Germany side, but I imagine there would still be changes to the Eastern Border.
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I can see more versions. Like Hanover with allies crushing Prussia and uniting Germany as constitutional monarchy. United Kingdom of Germany.
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Hey we might as well have Bohemia unite Germany.That would be pretty interesting
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Lol Germany united by House Premyslid
Or Luxembourgs, descendants of King Charles IV.
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Or if Hungary united Germany
Matthias Corvinus actually tried to become HRE emperor and he even got 2 or 3 electoral votes (sry I forgot which).
If he actually won the election and used that power to unite the HRE that would be trully epic
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Possible
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> Bohemia
> Germany
=_=
But seriously, nice work as always XD What's that "Bohemian" order?
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I made it up for this TL
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You should have used the Order of the Torse ^_^ XD
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Oh yes ^_^
cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%98%C… - the bird is a kingfisher btw
If you google it or anything, careful, there's this group of people who made their own :Řád točenice" (order of the torse) but aren't anything official and don't have anything to do with the historical one XD
(this website so ignore stuff from them: www.kralovskyrad.cz/ )
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In German it's called the "order of Tusin", so it's easier to google, but there are still not many images of it. Well, I'll keep the order of the Bohemian Crown
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